Carole, Thanks for the offer of a look up. Could you please see if there is any mention of a Madam Rolls (or Rowles) who was a pianist around the turn of the century. Her name was Madge Watson and we believe she married someone Rolls. Ever hopeful, Brian in Adelaide, South Australia ----- Original Message ----- From: Carole Cumber <cdcumber@sprint.ca> To: <THEATRE-UK-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, March 16, 2003 12:41 AM Subject: [THEATRE-UK] New Book > Hello everyone, > Thanks for the kind words from Lauren and welcome again Marje,and a big hello to Neal,I finally have found an old copy of "British Music Hall"by Raymond Mander and Joe Mitchenson and I have to say I am facinated by the pictures and captions,spans the 1850's through to 1900's.Not a lot on my ancestor "Bessie Bellwood" but anyone wanting a look up let me know. > Some more bad news about my search for information on Bessie,when in England in 1985 I was shown several pictures of Bessie by a cousin who had found them in our Grandmothers effects,when I asked "who is Bessie Bellwood"I was told that she was "a distant relative possibly a cousin"of Grans. > Several years ago when I started to trace the family connection I contacted my cousin and asked if I could get copies of the pictures > which as I remember were signed,no reply and I have asked several times since finding that Bessie was our Great Grandmothers sister,finally this week I received word from another cousin that the pictures were "given away" in 1987 and copies were never made!!! I will continue to search in the hopes that someone somewhere has other pictures of "Bessie". > In the meantime if anyone wants a lookup let me know< > Carole in Canada. > > > > > > >

Thank you Mary, That gives me something to go on! Many thanks. Shirley

Hello Carole Many thanks for the offer of look ups. Please could you look up the following for me, not all Music Hall, but you never know what you may find LATIMER ELDERSHAW EBLEY DENVILLE HORACE LIONEL LOTTIE KENDAL GEORGE KENDAL Kind regards Rita kindal01@telkomsa.net

Sorry no luck finding a reference to Madam Rolls(Rowles) or Marge Watson. kind regards, Carole ----- Original Message ----- From: "The Walkers" <marbri@chariot.net.au> To: <THEATRE-UK-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, March 17, 2003 4:12 AM Subject: Re: [THEATRE-UK] New Book > Carole, > > Thanks for the offer of a look up. Could you please see if there is any > mention of a Madam Rolls (or Rowles) who was a pianist around the turn of > the century. Her name was Madge Watson and we believe she married someone > Rolls. > > Ever hopeful, Brian in Adelaide, South Australia > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Carole Cumber <cdcumber@sprint.ca> > To: <THEATRE-UK-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Sunday, March 16, 2003 12:41 AM > Subject: [THEATRE-UK] New Book > > > > Hello everyone, > > Thanks for the kind words from Lauren and welcome again Marje,and a big > hello to Neal,I finally have found an old copy of "British Music Hall"by > Raymond Mander and Joe Mitchenson and I have to say I am facinated by the > pictures and captions,spans the 1850's through to 1900's.Not a lot on my > ancestor "Bessie Bellwood" but anyone wanting a look up let me know. > > Some more bad news about my search for information on Bessie,when in > England in 1985 I was shown several pictures of Bessie by a cousin who had > found them in our Grandmothers effects,when I asked "who is Bessie > Bellwood"I was told that she was "a distant relative possibly a cousin"of > Grans. > > Several years ago when I started to trace the family connection I > contacted my cousin and asked if I could get copies of the pictures > > which as I remember were signed,no reply and I have asked several times > since finding that Bessie was our Great Grandmothers sister,finally this > week I received word from another cousin that the pictures were "given away" > in 1987 and copies were never made!!! I will continue to search in the hopes > that someone somewhere has other pictures of "Bessie". > > In the meantime if anyone wants a lookup let me know< > > Carole in Canada. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

Also found a reprint in the book"British Music Hall"of a playbill for 1853,The Grapes ,Southwark Bridge Road and The Grand Harmonic Hall,in 1848 which later changed its name to the Winchester and closed in 1878, Proprieter and manager of the Surrey Music Hall is shown as Mr R.PREECE,dated Jan 19th 1853. Carole. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Carol Preece" <docpreece@mindspring.com> To: <THEATRE-UK-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, March 17, 2003 7:12 AM Subject: Re: [THEATRE-UK] New Book > Dear Carole, I mistakenly typed "18th" instead of "19th" century for the > time period that the Preeces were active in the London/Southwark music > halls. Hope this helps you find them in your book. > > Carol A. Preece > >

Hi Robyn, Sorry no reference in either of the books I have, kind regards, Carole. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robyn Walton" <robraw@tpg.com.au> To: <THEATRE-UK-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, March 17, 2003 7:15 AM Subject: [THEATRE-UK] Look Up > Carole, > > Is there anything on Beaumont Read (alias James) Music Halls GB 1870-1889 Then America and Australia > > Robyn > Robyn Walton > All outgoing mail is screened by Norton prior to sending > >

Hello Carol, I did find reference to a Mr PREECE in "The Melody Lingers On",it appears that the Mr PREECE mentioned was the proprieter of several music halls. "At the Grapes(Southwark Bridge Road)the free and easy had developed into a very good standard of variety entertainment,becoming a hall in the early 'fortiesand called The Surrey Music Hall,it bore the title but not quite the style.In addition to its entertainment,it boasted a picture gallery which its proprieter,Richard PREECE,had purchased from a French instrumentalist named Phillipe,whom he had brought over as an attraction from Paris" "Eventually,The Surrey Gardens were opened with a building also called the Surrey Music Hall.The then manager of the original place of that name,a Mr PREECE,renamed his hallThe Winchester.It remained running as a genuine music hall until about 1878 when it was pulled down". Hope this is of some help to you, kind regards, Carole ----- Original Message ----- From: "Carol Preece" <docpreece@mindspring.com> To: <THEATRE-UK-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, March 17, 2003 7:12 AM Subject: Re: [THEATRE-UK] New Book > Dear Carole, I mistakenly typed "18th" instead of "19th" century for the > time period that the Preeces were active in the London/Southwark music > halls. Hope this helps you find them in your book. > > Carol A. Preece > >

Dear Carole, I mistakenly typed "18th" instead of "19th" century for the time period that the Preeces were active in the London/Southwark music halls. Hope this helps you find them in your book. Carol A. Preece

Hi Carole, Nice to hear from you again. I have to say it's unlikely. My Dad was born in 1892, and although his first appearance on stage was probably in 1896 (seriously!), it sounds like it's just a little too early. I'll keep a note of her name though. Cheers -- Neal ----- Original Message ----- From: "Carole Cumber" <cdcumber@sprint.ca> To: <THEATRE-UK-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, March 15, 2003 2:51 PM Subject: Re: [THEATRE-UK] PUBLIC ANNOUNCEMENT > Just in case you are looking through your files again Neal,Bessie Bellwood > died in 1896,any clippings on her death in your Dad's memoirs? > Carole.

Thank you Josi, I will give them a try. Cheers. Shirley

The R.O.H. didn't become an opera house until 1847. Before that it was known as Covent Garden Theatre. The "singers " in your clip were probably members of the cast of whichever play was being performed on that night. It might have been a play with music but not an opera. If you type in "Covent Garden Theatre" in Google you will find 70 pages of sites with reference to the theatre and you might strike lucky. Failing that try http://www.thestage.co.uk/ where you may find help. Cheers Josi ----- Original Message ----- From: "CLARK" <shir.shir@btinternet.com> To: <THEATRE-UK-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, March 16, 2003 9:45 PM Subject: [THEATRE-UK] Mr Taylor - 1805. Covent Garden. > Hi, > I am a new subscriber & am trying to find any information - especially Christian name - of: > Mr Taylor. > I have a cutting from The London Times dated November 7th 1805. > Mr Taylor is mentioned. The news of Nelson's Victory/ Death must have just been received because the cast did a ' hasty but elegant compliment to the memory of Nelson'. 'the front of the picture was filled by Mr Taylor & the principle singers of the Theatre' > I have contacted Covent Garden & they sent me a history of the theatre which seems to have been destroyed by fire in 1808. It was of course rebuilt but I think any early records may have been destroyed. > Please can anyone advise me where to look? > Many thanks. > Shirley > >

Hi, I am a new subscriber & am trying to find any information - especially Christian name - of: Mr Taylor. I have a cutting from The London Times dated November 7th 1805. Mr Taylor is mentioned. The news of Nelson's Victory/ Death must have just been received because the cast did a ' hasty but elegant compliment to the memory of Nelson'. 'the front of the picture was filled by Mr Taylor & the principle singers of the Theatre' I have contacted Covent Garden & they sent me a history of the theatre which seems to have been destroyed by fire in 1808. It was of course rebuilt but I think any early records may have been destroyed. Please can anyone advise me where to look? Many thanks. Shirley

Dear Chris, You probably have already come across this. The Oxford Companion to the Theatre lists just one child for Sir John Martin-Harvey.She is Muriel and she also went on the stage.All Sir John's major accomplishments are also listed.I would be happy to send it to you if you haven't seen it before . Best wishes Christine

Hi Carole, Would you look up the name Preece? There were several richard Preeces who were involved with 18th century London music halls. Also anything for the Winchester Palace M.H. in Southark/ Thanks Carol A. Preece

I have just been looking at a website at: http://www.lwtua.free-online.co.uk/vlo/Bessie.htm about the life of an entertainer named Bessie Webb aka Bessie Lopez. On the website there is a reference to a concert or concert party in 1921 organised by the League of British Artists under the direction of J Hedley Drummond. Can anyone tell me anything about J Hedley Drummond? David Railton

I have just been looking at a website at: http://www.lwtua.free-online.co.uk/vlo/Bessie.htm about the life of an entertainer named Bessie Webb aka Bessie Lopez. On the website there is a reference to a concert or concert party in 1921 organised by the League of British Artists under the direction of J Hedley Drummond. Can anyone tell me anything about J Hedley Drummond? David Railton

> The Oxford Companion to the Theatre lists just one child for Sir John Martin-Harvey.She is Muriel and she also went on the stage. Exactly. There were two children: Muriel and Michael, both acted. Muriel married three times and had two children of her own (one born during a Zeppelin raid). Michael had no children. None of this matches what I've been sent. Chris -- Chris Goddard Plymouth, U.K www.webrarian.co.uk

I've had an email from someone who traces his ancestry back to the actor Sir John Martin-Harvey. Sir John is my first cousin twice removed, and according to all the written records I know of only had two children, neither of whom appear in my new contact's line. Can anyone help me out with info about George Reasons Haggett, or his son Aubrey George Haggett who I'm told appeared on the London stage during the twentieth. Aubrey, I'm told, also used the name Aubrey Martin-Harvey. Chris -- Chris Goddard Plymouth, U.K www.webrarian.co.uk

Sorry Barbara,no luck finding any of these names. Carole. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Barbara" <bmcnish2@mts.net> To: <THEATRE-UK-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, March 15, 2003 7:17 PM Subject: Re: [THEATRE-UK] New Book > > > > At 01:11 AM 16/03/2003, you wrote: > > >Hello everyone, > > >I finally have found an old copy of "British Music Hall"by Raymond Mander > > >and Joe Mitchenson > > >if anyone wants a lookup let me know< > > > > Hi Carole, > > Would you be kind enough to see if there is any mention of Alfred Ernest > ANDREWS Stage name of ROMER his wife was Grace Rebecca LAKE said to be > actress era of 1885 to 1940's Many Thanks, > > > Barbara > > bmcnish2@mts.net > > > >

Hello Josi, What a wonder you are,and how fortunate to have met these two gentlemen,Grimaldi was a clown,so I would imagine any pictures would be in make-up(tongue in cheek),W.MacQueen Pope makes reference to "Grimaldi"twice in his book,but in the second person ie;"despite the fact that Tom Mathews,the most famous clown after Grimaldi whose pupil he was",and "Flexmore the great clown,who came nearest to Grimaldi"no mention in Mander and Mitchenson's book. Carole. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Josephine Kemper" <joandjo@walhalla.fsnet.co.uk> To: <THEATRE-UK-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, March 15, 2003 3:09 PM Subject: Re: [THEATRE-UK] New Book > Ray & Joe housed their amazing collection of theatrical memorabilia in an > Edwardian house in Sydenham. I went there to visit them once, to ask what > they had about Joseph Grimaldi (an 'ancestor' of mine, allegedly) and one of > them told me I had a look of Grimaldi. Has anyone ever SEEN a picture of > Grimaldi???? Paper bag over the head for a week! > They were promised the top floor of The Mansion in Beckenham Place Park, now > a Golf centre, but sadly one of them died before they could move in. Then > they discovered that the glass roof was leaking badly and by the time that > was repaired the other one had died. Altogether a very sad story. I was very > privileged to meet them. > > The Mander & Mitchenson Theatre Collection is one of the finest collections > of theatre memorabilia in the world. Based on the personal collection of two > actors, Raymond Mander and Joe Mitchenson, it contains a wide-range of > primary sources for the study of theatre history and music in all its > connections with the theatre, and also functions as a picture library. > > As a matter of interest, searching for Mander & Mitchenson on Google throws > up a large amount of other leads in theatre research. > > Cheers > Josi > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Mary" <mairibeth@iprimus.com.au> > To: <THEATRE-UK-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Saturday, March 15, 2003 7:43 PM > Subject: Re: [THEATRE-UK] New Book > > > > At 01:11 AM 16/03/2003, you wrote: > > >Hello everyone, > > >I finally have found an old copy of "British Music Hall"by Raymond Mander > > >and Joe Mitchenson > > >if anyone wants a lookup let me know< > > > > Hi Carole, > > Would you be kind enough to see if there is any mention of William, > > Georgina, Amelia or Susannah ROGERS or Susannah BELLEW please. They would > > be 1850-1880. > > Many Thanks, > > > > Mary > > > > Bendigo Australia > > <mairibeth@iprimus.com.au> > > http://home.iprimus.com.au/mairibeth/ > > > > > > > > > >