Hi Richard of Nottingham[sounds to have Robin Hood connections!] Thank you for your reply.I'll see if I can find any information re Birstal and Birkenshaw.In the meantime more information for the web site:- Hubbert Jessica b 29 Jan 1992 Shelf Tetley Julie b 31 July 1965 Low Moor Ratledge Dean b 9 March 1963 Shelf Ratledge Matthew b 13 June 1992 Wibsey Ratledge Lucy b 3 July 1997 Queensbury Regards, Trevor.