Hi Earl, Shirley VanWanderham here. Thanks for the history lesson ! I did not know all this and appreciate it greatly. > > From: "Earl Taylor" <[email protected]> > Date: 2004/10/21 Thu PM 03:20:21 EDT > To: [email protected] > Subject: [TAYLOR] RE: Taylor ancestry; > > Gareth; As you probably know,before the 13th & 14th centuries, there were no > surnames. When they started to become necessary, people tokk surnames as > what they looked like, where they lived, or what they did for a living. > There were tailors who made clothes, and tailor also meant smith, as > blacksmith, arrowsmith, tinsmith etc and as there were many trades in each > village many Taylors got their names from that. but the noble and royal > Taylors came from Normandy as Taileurs (sic) That's why there are so MANY > TAYLORS!!! When I was in school Taylor was the 12th most common name in the > English speaking world behind Black, Brown, white, hill, bridge etc. It has > now dropped to 16th or so. BUT THERE ARE STILL TOO MANY!!!! It makes > genealogy very difficult! Our history tells us when England won a war with > Ireland and won Ulster, there was also a civil war in England between > England and Scotland and England won! The losers were given the choice of > the headsman's axe or going to ireland to hold down the Catholics, many of > the exiles were presbyterians and methodists(My family) > IF ANY OF YOU CAN ADD TO OR CORRECT THIS, PLEASE DO!!! I belong to the > Elliott clan in Scotland, but have connections to about half the Scottish > Clans and septs thru my ancestors; Taylor, Vickers, Gordon, Blackburn, > Barnard,Osburn, Mc Raven, Lackey;Robinson, Bagley;Sanders, Mabry,Maxwell, > Clinton, etc. The taylors and Elliotts share a homeland on the > England-Scotland border hence the name "Borderers" they were > Reivers,(smugglers, rustlers etc) > Earl H Taylor > [email protected] > (909)593 2652 > yahoo IM eht2060 > http://www.keyway.net/~eht2060/ > > -----Original Message----- > From: Gareth Taylor [mailto:[email protected]] > Sent: Monday, October 04, 2004 4:29 PM > To: 'Earl Taylor' > Subject: RE: Taylor ancestry; > > > Dear Earl, > > I am sorry, but you are confusing me totally. > > 1066 was a tremendously busy year for us here in England, as well as the > rest of Europe. > > William the Bastard was the son of Duke of Normandy and the daughter of a > local Tanner - hence the name that all true born Saxons have called him ever > since (1058 was the first use of the term in France) > > As for your Irish Ancestry. > > Taylor was a generic professional name as you well know. If the link is > Scottish to Ireland this would be because of the following (this is my > synopsis only) because of the Borders Marches - the 6 counties along the > England / Scotland border and the terrible banditry that happened along the > border in all directions. The Wild Wild West was nothing compared to this. > In 1600 James IV of Scotland (Who became James I of England and ruled the > two kingdoms together). > > King James needed to make the kingdoms work together so had to remove the > border raiders and make trade between the two kingdoms nice and easy - > without losing 90% in theft going between the two countries. Many families > were outlawed (including part of my own, the Grahams), they had to flee to > Ireland or Holland to save their lives or change their names. > > (Out of interest the worst were - Johnson, Nixon, Armstrong and Graham - > which forgive me also have a strong connection with America.) > > - Lyndon Johnson > - Richard Nixon > - Billy Graham > - Neil Armstrong > > - well I am sure they knew with Richard Nixon that he was a Border Bandit! > > So In short the Scottish bandits had to hide out - some came back as other > names to parts of the UK, others changed their names, As far as I know the > Border countries did not have a prominent Taylor Family. I suggest a good > book - ' The Steel Bonnets ' by George MacDonald Fraser - in this book he > describes the epic banditry of the Borders and the families involved - Note > no Taylor's though. > > > > As for the Name Taylor - the Family does have current Royal Links to the > British Royal Family, ' The House of Windsor ' with Lady Helen Taylor who is > Twelfth inline I think to the British throne. > > I will do a quick search in Ireland for you, but I do not understand all > the links you throw at me. > > Today I spent the day in Lincolnshire with the Taylor's of Lincolnshire. > I have managed to get back to 1814 with a John and Mary Taylor owning as > public house in Great Hale (either the 'Nags Head' or the > 'Rose and Crown' ) I enjoyed visiting the places and trying to find the > old pubs and building s which have all changed over the years. I then went > to Sutterton to find the farm where their son George Farmed and my Great > Grandfather was born. I found the Church where he was baptized but that was > all unfortunately. even the churchyard only had 3 Taylor's and then only > from 1914. > > Looking for family history is hard, but enjoyable. > > do you have all you tree published on a website. It might be easier for > people to see the links if there was a larger overview? > > Gareth > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > -- > From: Earl Taylor [mailto:[email protected]] > Sent: 04 October 2004 21:25 > To: [email protected]; Jeb Stuart Taylor; Pat Burns; Edward T Barnard; Bobbie > and Polly Taylor; Bobbie and Polly Taylor; Linda Menikos; Linda Roach; > Adonna Morgan; Harrell Roemer; Roland Elliott; Ron Taylor; Adonna Morgan; > Dan Taylor; Robert W Taylor; Claudia Kus; Marian Rawson; Ray Hoff > Subject: Taylor ancestry; > > > Gareth; This came to me roundy-co-roundy and involves a lot of my > relatives/friends. Roland Elliott is a very distant cousin thru my mother > Neva Elliott, Ed Barnard is a very distant cousin thru the Barnards, Pat is > a distant cousin thru the Taylors, Barnards, and van Bibbers. Jeb Taylor and > I share DNA but don't know where the connection is. Was William the > Conqueror also William the Bastard? I didn't know that, if true. Baron > Tailieure(sic) was right hand man for William. He was killed at Battle of > Hastings and his brother became Baron and was progenitor of our Taylors. The > Taylors I know for sure were from Antrim, Ulster, IRE. They came to America > abt 1737 to Borden Tract, Orange/Augusta co. VA. We have a family legend > that we are Scots-Irish and related to President Zachary Taylor, but I have > no proof or connections except the DNA test which is identical with that of > Jeb Stuart Taylor in VA but he is not sure of all his ancestry either. The > line of Taylors which include Zachary came to America ca 1620 from Carlisle, > England, to James River area, VA mine came from IRE abt 1737. to the same > place, but 120 yrs later. I don't know when the line was sent from > England/Scotland to Ulster or how long they were there. I am told there is a > prominent Taylor family in Antrim today, but don't know if there is a > connection. I have paid Irish searchers to try to find out but they drew a > blank. I don't think they tried, I think it was a scam!! They cashed my > checks but told me NOTHING!! > Earl H Taylor > [email protected] > (909)593 2652 > yahoo IM eht2060 > http://www.keyway.net/~eht2060/ > > > > ==== TAYLOR Mailing List ==== > To UNSUBSCRIBE from LIST - mailto:[email protected] > To UNSUBSCRIBE from DIGEST - mailto:[email protected] > Put Only: UNSUBSCRIBE in subject and body of message > > ============================== > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 > >

Shirley; Thank you for the kind words. There is so much more. I wrote that from memory only, it is history!! I have that epic poem on death of Baron Taillefeur Sic, at the Battle of Hastings but I doubt I can put my hands on it. I am 86 yrs and my memory is failing!! You and I have exchanged pleasantries before. Are you descended from my Isaac and Isabella, or the Roberts and Johns in Rhode Island?. There are also the family of President Zachary. There are many other Taylor lines which we don't have connections for. Many in VA, NC, TN, AL, shared many first names, lived close together, buried in same cemetaries, There is a Taylor Cemetary NW of Huntsville, AL. and another in Aliceville, Pickens Co. AL where there are many Taylors, probably related but we don't have the connections. I saw a list a while back with more than 100 Isaac Taylors in the East coast at the same time as mine were there. There were MANY ISAAC TAYLORS in just my own family. In early yrs there was one in every family group, along with William, John, Andrew,George, Gideon. with a few Mathews. as well. Earl H Taylor [email protected] (909)593 2652 yahoo IM eht2060 http://www.keyway.net/~eht2060/ -----Original Message----- From: Shirley Vanwanderham [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Thursday, October 21, 2004 1:40 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [TAYLOR] RE: Taylor ancestry; Hi Earl, Shirley VanWanderham here. Thanks for the history lesson ! I did not know all this and appreciate it greatly. > > From: "Earl Taylor" <[email protected]> > Date: 2004/10/21 Thu PM 03:20:21 EDT > To: [email protected] > Subject: [TAYLOR] RE: Taylor ancestry; > > Gareth; As you probably know,before the 13th & 14th centuries, there were no > surnames. When they started to become necessary, people tokk surnames as > what they looked like, where they lived, or what they did for a living. > There were tailors who made clothes, and tailor also meant smith, as > blacksmith, arrowsmith, tinsmith etc and as there were many trades in each > village many Taylors got their names from that. but the noble and royal > Taylors came from Normandy as Taileurs (sic) That's why there are so MANY > TAYLORS!!! When I was in school Taylor was the 12th most common name in the > English speaking world behind Black, Brown, white, hill, bridge etc. It has > now dropped to 16th or so. BUT THERE ARE STILL TOO MANY!!!! It makes > genealogy very difficult! Our history tells us when England won a war with > Ireland and won Ulster, there was also a civil war in England between > England and Scotland and England won! The losers were given the choice of > the headsman's axe or going to ireland to hold down the Catholics, many of > the exiles were presbyterians and methodists(My family) > IF ANY OF YOU CAN ADD TO OR CORRECT THIS, PLEASE DO!!! I belong to the > Elliott clan in Scotland, but have connections to about half the Scottish > Clans and septs thru my ancestors; Taylor, Vickers, Gordon, Blackburn, > Barnard,Osburn, Mc Raven, Lackey;Robinson, Bagley;Sanders, Mabry,Maxwell, > Clinton, etc. The taylors and Elliotts share a homeland on the > England-Scotland border hence the name "Borderers" they were > Reivers,(smugglers, rustlers etc) > Earl H Taylor > [email protected] > (909)593 2652 > yahoo IM eht2060 > http://www.keyway.net/~eht2060/ > > -----Original Message----- > From: Gareth Taylor [mailto:[email protected]] > Sent: Monday, October 04, 2004 4:29 PM > To: 'Earl Taylor' > Subject: RE: Taylor ancestry; > > > Dear Earl, > > I am sorry, but you are confusing me totally. > > 1066 was a tremendously busy year for us here in England, as well as the > rest of Europe. > > William the Bastard was the son of Duke of Normandy and the daughter of a > local Tanner - hence the name that all true born Saxons have called him ever > since (1058 was the first use of the term in France) > > As for your Irish Ancestry. > > Taylor was a generic professional name as you well know. If the link is > Scottish to Ireland this would be because of the following (this is my > synopsis only) because of the Borders Marches - the 6 counties along the > England / Scotland border and the terrible banditry that happened along the > border in all directions. The Wild Wild West was nothing compared to this. > In 1600 James IV of Scotland (Who became James I of England and ruled the > two kingdoms together). > > King James needed to make the kingdoms work together so had to remove the > border raiders and make trade between the two kingdoms nice and easy - > without losing 90% in theft going between the two countries. Many families > were outlawed (including part of my own, the Grahams), they had to flee to > Ireland or Holland to save their lives or change their names. > > (Out of interest the worst were - Johnson, Nixon, Armstrong and Graham - > which forgive me also have a strong connection with America.) > > - Lyndon Johnson > - Richard Nixon > - Billy Graham > - Neil Armstrong > > - well I am sure they knew with Richard Nixon that he was a Border Bandit! > > So In short the Scottish bandits had to hide out - some came back as other > names to parts of the UK, others changed their names, As far as I know the > Border countries did not have a prominent Taylor Family. I suggest a good > book - ' The Steel Bonnets ' by George MacDonald Fraser - in this book he > describes the epic banditry of the Borders and the families involved - Note > no Taylor's though. > > > > As for the Name Taylor - the Family does have current Royal Links to the > British Royal Family, ' The House of Windsor ' with Lady Helen Taylor who is > Twelfth inline I think to the British throne. > > I will do a quick search in Ireland for you, but I do not understand all > the links you throw at me. > > Today I spent the day in Lincolnshire with the Taylor's of Lincolnshire. > I have managed to get back to 1814 with a John and Mary Taylor owning as > public house in Great Hale (either the 'Nags Head' or the > 'Rose and Crown' ) I enjoyed visiting the places and trying to find the > old pubs and building s which have all changed over the years. I then went > to Sutterton to find the farm where their son George Farmed and my Great > Grandfather was born. I found the Church where he was baptized but that was > all unfortunately. even the churchyard only had 3 Taylor's and then only > from 1914. > > Looking for family history is hard, but enjoyable. > > do you have all you tree published on a website. It might be easier for > people to see the links if there was a larger overview? > > Gareth > > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- > -- > From: Earl Taylor [mailto:[email protected]] > Sent: 04 October 2004 21:25 > To: [email protected]; Jeb Stuart Taylor; Pat Burns; Edward T Barnard; Bobbie > and Polly Taylor; Bobbie and Polly Taylor; Linda Menikos; Linda Roach; > Adonna Morgan; Harrell Roemer; Roland Elliott; Ron Taylor; Adonna Morgan; > Dan Taylor; Robert W Taylor; Claudia Kus; Marian Rawson; Ray Hoff > Subject: Taylor ancestry; > > > Gareth; This came to me roundy-co-roundy and involves a lot of my > relatives/friends. Roland Elliott is a very distant cousin thru my mother > Neva Elliott, Ed Barnard is a very distant cousin thru the Barnards, Pat is > a distant cousin thru the Taylors, Barnards, and van Bibbers. Jeb Taylor and > I share DNA but don't know where the connection is. Was William the > Conqueror also William the Bastard? I didn't know that, if true. Baron > Tailieure(sic) was right hand man for William. He was killed at Battle of > Hastings and his brother became Baron and was progenitor of our Taylors. The > Taylors I know for sure were from Antrim, Ulster, IRE. They came to America > abt 1737 to Borden Tract, Orange/Augusta co. VA. We have a family legend > that we are Scots-Irish and related to President Zachary Taylor, but I have > no proof or connections except the DNA test which is identical with that of > Jeb Stuart Taylor in VA but he is not sure of all his ancestry either. The > line of Taylors which include Zachary came to America ca 1620 from Carlisle, > England, to James River area, VA mine came from IRE abt 1737. to the same > place, but 120 yrs later. I don't know when the line was sent from > England/Scotland to Ulster or how long they were there. I am told there is a > prominent Taylor family in Antrim today, but don't know if there is a > connection. I have paid Irish searchers to try to find out but they drew a > blank. I don't think they tried, I think it was a scam!! They cashed my > checks but told me NOTHING!! > Earl H Taylor > [email protected] > (909)593 2652 > yahoo IM eht2060 > http://www.keyway.net/~eht2060/ > > > > ==== TAYLOR Mailing List ==== > To UNSUBSCRIBE from LIST - mailto:[email protected] > To UNSUBSCRIBE from DIGEST - mailto:[email protected] > Put Only: UNSUBSCRIBE in subject and body of message > > ============================== > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 > > ==== TAYLOR Mailing List ==== If you need to contact the listowner, send an e-mail to Marilyn at [email protected] ============================== Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237