Dear Jacques You are, of course, right saying that decision-making on the awarding of citizenship to any individual was up to the individual communities and Cantons (i.e. States), in line with their local regulations. At least before this issue was standardized for all Cantons and communities by the Civil Code of the Swiss Confederation. But, don't you agree that in Harold's case it is very likely that the widow, upon her re-marriage, would have assumed the rights of citizenship of her 2nd husband's community of citizenship and would therefore become a citizen of Obermumpf? And this including all (underaged) children descendant of the 1st husband? And that she would have lost the rights of citizenship of Wegenstettem? Anyway, it was not at all my understanding that a woman getting married would "give over her right of bourgeoisie to her husband" but would loose her original rights and, instead, would be awarded the rights of citizenship of the same community the husband already was a citizen of. Best regards Daniel P.S. Harold, the given name of your person does sound quite strange to me. What about Cordula (or Kordula), which was a Saint living in the region of Cologne, once upon a time... Try this http://www.heiligenlexikon.de/index.htm?BiographienC/Cordula_Kordula.htm It's in German but you would find a translation aid (press the US/UK flag at the bottom, right). ----- Original Message ----- From: "Estudio de Investigaciones Genealogicas /CGR /CEG" <[email protected]> To: "Gschwind-Willi Daniel" <[email protected]>; <[email protected]>; <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, October 12, 2002 6:18 PM Subject: Re: [SWITZ] could citizenship change with marriage? Rondula? > Daniel and Harold, > > You are correct Daniel to say that a woman who married during the 19th > century would "take the location of citizenship of her husband", however I > would say that is a rule of thumb. You start with the idea that a woman who > married gave over her right of bouregoisie to her husband, but not always, > and not in all Kantons. > The citizenship you must remember during the 19th century was a business of > the small town, and then the Kanton. Bern, the Bundes Stadt (City) had very > little to say unless you were a Burger from Bern Staat ( State)...and even > then.... > > I have seen villages who have r-e-f-u-s-e-d the right of the woman to become > a bourgeoise upon marriage in Central Switzerland, Uri, Schwytz and > Unterwald and Luzern, not to mention Grison or Graubunden. > > Sincerely yourrs, > > Jacques de Guise > EIG /CGR / CEG > Estudio de Investigaciones Genealógicas > Center for Genealogical Research > Cabinet d'Etudes Généalogiques > Spain and Switzerland > > http://www.genealogyrsch.com > > E-mail: [email protected] > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Gschwind-Willi Daniel" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Saturday, October 12, 2002 10:31 AM > Subject: Re: [SWITZ] could citizenship change with marriage? Rondula? > > > Hi Harold > > Whenever a woman gets married she would take the location of citizenship of > her husband, til nowadays. This also includes loosing the former location of > citizenship. Of course, this is the case when she is remarried (widow or > after divorce), too. > > Modern legislation provides the possibility that a woman may, on request, > maintain her location of citizenship when getting married, bur only since > abt. ten years. > > Kind regards > > Daniel > > BTW: This time there is one Umlaut to much: correct spelling is OBERMUMPF. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Saturday, October 12, 2002 4:45 AM > Subject: [SWITZ] could citizenship change with marriage? Rondula? > > > > A technical question about Swiss citizenship in the nineteenth > > century. Is it likely that a widow who remarried would take on the > > citizenship of her new husband? > > > > Here's the story: I have a candidate for my great-great > > grandmother in Kanton Aargau. She is listed in the village of > > Obermümpf in the 1837 census as a citizen of Wegenstetten. She > > may appear in the same village in the 1850 census, remarried to a > > man with the expected last name, and with the expected quantity > > of new children. In 1850, the entire family are listed as citizens of > > Obermümpf. Should I consider the change of citizenship as strong > > evidence that they are really two different people? > > > > Incidentally, her given name appears to be "Rondula," which I have > > never heard of. Am I mistranscribing a more recognizable name? > > > > BTW, I was pleased to find that the 1850 census in this bezirk > > contains significantly more information than the 1837 census -- > > including lists of recent emigrants from each town! It also does > > appear to be a census by the American definition -- i.e., contains > > at least some outlanders who live in the villages but hold > > citizenship elsewhere. > > > > Harold > > Harold Henderson, [email protected] > > on the lookout for > > HENDERSON, MACRAE, DAVIDSON, JOHNSTONE (Scotland) ANDERSSON/BORING, > SVENSSON, STENBERG, JOHANSDOTTER (Sweden); > > THRALL (New England), JAMES (Wales), FLINT, GEDNEY (Lincolnshire), > SCHRIBER/SCHREIBER, JOSS, STAUDENMANN (Switzerland); > > SCHOLES, MILLS (Lancashire), MOZLEY (Nottinghamshire), VAN NATTA (New > Netherlands), BOREN, COCHRAN, LINHART, BLACK (Pennsylvania); > > BASSETT, COON, BLISS, HUMPHREY, BURDICK, CAMPBELL, CRANDALL, DENISON (New > England); > > & more > > > > > > ==== SWITZERLAND Mailing List ==== > > Swiss Resource Site > > http://swiss.genealogy.net > > > > > > > > ==== SWITZERLAND Mailing List ==== > Going on vacation? Gone longer than 4 days? 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----- Original Message ----- From: Gschwind-Willi Daniel <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, October 12, 2002 10:17 AM Subject: Re: [SWITZ] could citizenship change with marriage? Rondula? ............................................ > Best regards > > Daniel > > P.S. Harold, the given name of your person does sound quite strange to me. > What about Cordula (or Kordula), which was a Saint living in the region of > Cologne, once upon a time... > > Try this > http://www.heiligenlexikon.de/index.htm?BiographienC/Cordula_Kordula.h tm > Dear Daniel, 'better watch i!.... my 'sainted' great grandmother's name is Cordula! Hanneli