----- Original Message ----- From: cooperkvrs To: guyg@saber.net Sent: Sunday, October 30, 2005 6:36 AM Subject: Swiss Look-up Request Dear Hanneli, May I impose upon you for a look-up, if you can w/o difficulty. My 2nd Grt. Opa, Nicholas Kaufmann b. in Rheinach, CH (Basel but am not certain if that is/was Basel Stadt) abt. 1814/1815. He died May 4, 1885 in Newark, NJ. He has a brother, Georg, and that is all I know. Thank you so very much for your time and kindness. Sincerely yours, Kelly Vogel Cooper Dear Kellly, Reinach (spelled without the 'h') is in Basel-Land (BL). Checking the Swiss Family Surnames CD (Prior to 1862 2nd edition, Picton Press, which is the only tool I have), I don't see that KAUFMAN held citizenship in Reinach, BL itself, which of course doesn't mean that KAUFMAN didn't live there. They could have lived anywhere else besides their place of citizenship *) see Wolf Seelentag's useful remarks below. However KAUFMAN did hold Citizenship in Buus, BL prior to 1799. (a ways south of Rheinfelden) In addition some KAUFMAN held citizenship in Basel-Stadt (BS) prior to 1799. A KAUFMAN moving in from Giebenbach, BL received Basel-Stadt citizenship in 1834. Another KAUFMAN emigrating from German received citizenship in BS in 1845. As you know, Reinach is just south of Basel. Now its a popular suburb for commuters. I hope this helps. Hanneli PS. For those listers whose lookups I made on my Swiss Familiennamenbuch CD, I wish to enclose Wolf Seelentags kind reproof (with plenty of good reason ;-). Study it well so that you can come to the right conclusions yourself. I apologize in that my comprehension of the scope of the various Swiss Family Surname Book editions, amendments, additions, expansions and meanings is extremely limited and shallow. I merely have the CD above mentioned, which at least gives a Swiss research novice [who only knows that their ancestors emigrated from Switzerland] a place to start searching. But my remarks were inaccurate, to say the least. It really behoves each serious researcher to study all the instructive material thats available on SwissGen, in this case resp. Swiss Citizenship, http://www.genealogienetz.de/reg/CH/intro-e.htm http://www.eye.ch/swissgen/news-m.htm#news all of which Wolf Seelentag has painstakingly made available to us. I'm learning something new everytime I read in there. Useful, useful lessons. HG _______________________________________________ *) Wolf Seelentag wrote: Dear Hanneli, I hope you don't mind if I point out some inaccuracies in your above statement and another mail by you a couple of days ago (see also my corrections to a mail by someone else several days ago): The latest printed edition of FNB was printed in 1989 - but is based on the survey of 1962: above it should therefore state "and still citizens in 1962" - not 1989 as above - and not 1862 as in your recent mail. The FNB excerpt published on CD stops in 1862 (I agree - 1862 and 1962 in the same context are bound to cause confusion): new citizenships granted after 1862 will not be listed - but any earlier citizenship listed on the CD requires existence in 1962, as otherwise it wouldn't be in the printed book - and not copied onto the CD. There are a few exceptions of extinct lines, mentioned e.g. in HBLS - but these are usually marked as such in the comments and/or source columns. "Families still live there" is not quite correct either: families still hold the citizenship there - they could live anywhere in the world, including overseas ;-). signed: Wolf Seelentag _____________________________ Thanks, Wolf, for keeping us on the right path! HG! ----- Original Message ----- From: cooperkvrs To: guyg@saber.net Sent: Sunday, October 30, 2005 6:36 AM Subject: Swiss Look-up Request Dear Hanneli, May I impose upon you for a look-up, if you can w/o difficulty. My 2nd Grt. Opa, Nicholas Kaufmann b. in Rheinach, CH (Basel but am not certain if that is/was Basel Stadt) abt. 1814/1815. He died May 4, 1885 in Newark, NJ. He has a brother, Georg, and that is all I know. Thank you so very much for your time and kindness. Sincerely yours, Kelly Vogel Cooper