In a message dated 11/26/2005 2:45:51 P.M. Central Standard Time, BREATAX writes: There's also Wurtenburg, and don't forget England. BILL WELLS Anaheim California _BREATAX@AOL.COM_ (mailto:BREATAX@AOL.COM) Hi again, Bill, Although there is indeed England, I don't think the English ships from Liverpool, London or Southhamption took passengers or goods to or from LeHavre, Bremen, or Hamburg...They are just too far away. So I don't know where they would stop to pick up passengers and supplies. If you left Hamburg, for an indirect route, you were shuttled across the North Sea to Hull, England and then had to go overland to Liverpool, London, or Southhampton. (Usually Liverpool). WAY out of the way for ships to stop at Hamburg, Bremen or LeHavre on their way back to the west side of England. As far as Württemburg, isn't that a large land-locked section of Germany - Baden-Württemburg - inland with France and Switzerland on two sides? I don't think that was a port. Maybe Erich or Jacques could help us here...I don't really know...but this makes for interesting thought. Regards from Texas, USA Nellie, a 68-yr-old root digger