In a message dated 11/24/1999 3:30:25 AM Eastern Standard Time, SWITZERLAND-D-request@rootsweb.com writes: << Pamela Foster buckeye@lawtonok.net Would like to know how to find birth certificate for great grandfather. Death certificate states that he was born 11 September 1832. It also states his father being John Hinderman. The death certificate says he was born in Germany. The 1880 census says Switzerland and I was always told by my father that Switzerland is where his grandfather came from about the year 1868. A great uncle was born in New York in 1869. My grandfather was born in Ohio in 1878 in Cleveland. Any help would be appreciated. Thank you Pamela >> I was always told my family was from Germany and most records indicated this, it wasn't until I found Naturalization papers that I found the truth. Many of the Swiss particularily in NY gravitated to the ethnicly German neighborhoods and most records list them as Germans. Most records at the time were recorded by German Midwives and Irish officials. So I guess if you lived like a duck, walked like a duck and sounded like a duck. You were a duck and not a Swan.