Have you checked the Bern records? The Manuel family is listed as being in Bern from before 1460. Joe Wolfe. This is from "Swiss Surnames" In Mario Van Moos "Bibliography of Swiss Surnames" is the following on MANUEL> 1) Stammbaum der Familie MNAUEL von Bern 1674-1706. (o.O.u.J. - 1 Blatt (im Schweizerischen Landesmusuem) 2) Van der Sigtenhorste,KI.: Twee takken van het Zwitserse Raadsherengeslacht MANUEL (von Gern) In: Gens. Nostra 13,Amsterdam 1958 - p. 254-263 3) Roth,Alfred: Der Rotengrat im Eggiwyl. Die Alp der Familie MANUEL (von Bern). In: Berner Zeitschrift fur Geschichte und Heimatkunde 26,1964. s. 49-74 Hope this will be of help to you. Joe Wolfe On Wed, 16 Feb 2000 15:12:35 EST PDeloriol@aol.com writes: > I'm looking for the ascendants of dorothea von Luternau , born 1566 > married > 1) Jean rodolphe MANUEL 1566-1598, a member of the sovereign council > of > Berne, son of Johann rudolf , the Artist and Ursula STURLER. > Peter de Loriol > > > ==== SWITZERLAND Mailing List ==== > Going on vacation? Gone longer than 4 days? > mail to Switzerland-L-request@rootsweb.com > subject line: unsubscribe > nothing in message >