Hi Bonny, I did a lookup, and located the ship information on Gottfried Habegger. Here is the information: Passenger : Gottfried Habegger Age: 17 Country of Origin: Switzerland Occupation: Blacksmith Arrived: Sep 14, 1881 Ship: Labrador Manifest ID# : 80156 Port of Embarkation: Havre I also looked up Louise Karlen, and found the following. Her age does not match exactly the info that you supplied, but there could always be a mistake somewhere. There were also several other Karlens on the same ship - I'm listing them as you may know how they relate to Louise: Passenger: Louise Karlen Age: 11 Country of Origin: Switzerland Occupation: Mason Maker Arrived: June 18, 1883 Ship: Normandie Manifest ID#: 80381 Port of Embarkation: Havre Mode of Travel: Steerage The other potential family members listed are as follows (they all list occupation of Mason Maker as well): Catherine - Age 13 Catherine - Age 36 David - Age 29 Emmanuel - Age 16 Emmanuel - Age 36 Jean (Male) - Age 27 Also listed (not as Mason Maker): Rosine - Age 7 Alfred - Age 4 Emma - Age 2 Emma - Infant Hope this helps! Barbara Hanville hanville@vivid.net Swissgen Volunteer ----- Original Message ----- From: DAVID TODD <dandbtodd@highland.net> To: <SWITZERLAND-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, March 08, 2000 11:21 AM Subject: [SWITZ] HABEGGER and KARLEN > Good Evening, > > My name is Bonny Todd and I am researching the above named > families for my daughter in law. > > I know very little of these folks, but what I do have I will post > below. Hopefully you might be able to help me in this search > and if not, maybe you can put me in the right direction. > > 1. Gottfried Habegger > Born: 1864 > Bern > Died: December 12, 1940 Youngstown, Ohio > > Gottfried came to America in 1881. We are also trying to locate > the port he left from, and the name of the ship. > > 2. Louise Karlen (wife of Gottfried) > Born: November 12, 1874 > Interlocken, Switzerland > Died: 1904 Youngstown, Ohio > > I appreciate any help you can give me. I look forward to hearing > from you. Have a great evening. > > Thank You, > Bonny Todd > > > ==== SWITZERLAND Mailing List ==== > Going on vacation? Gone longer than 4 days? > mail to Switzerland-L-request@rootsweb.com > subject line: unsubscribe > nothing in message >