I have not read the article and I cannot speak for Dale but my opinion is that when groups live in isolation they tend to marry within their community. Therefore, even if one marries a distant cousin, they are related. In the case of my maternal grandparents, the Meyers and Koonces lived across the river from each other, just a short wade apart. Four Meyer siblings married four Koonce siblings. Though they were not genetically related beforehand they produced a swarm of first cousins and consequently uncles and aunts, etc. My husband and I recently attended a wedding in the town near where my mother grew up. About 1000 people were invited and I believe we were the only ones not related to the bride or groom....or were we? It also seems that when a new girl moves into town biology takes over and the boys (or vice versa) are ready to dilute the gene pool :Q Gwen Boucher ‰‰‰‰‰‰‰‰‰‰‰‰‰‰‰‰‰‰‰‰‰‰‰‰‰‰‰‰‰‰‰‰‰ Boucher Y-DNA Surname Project https://www.familytreedna.com/public/boucher/ > From: Wolf Seelentag <wolf.seelentag@swissonline.ch> > Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2005 20:51:45 +0200 > To: SWITZERLAND-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: AW: [SWITZ] Article - why some Swiss families in certain villages > have more North American cousins than other families in other villages do > Resent-From: SWITZERLAND-L@rootsweb.com > Resent-Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2005 14:06:32 -0600 > >> Von: dbricker@cyburban.com [mailto:dbricker@cyburban.com] >> Gesendet: Dienstag, 26. Juli 2005 20:06 >> [...] >> What follows is the summary of an article. >> [...] >> The gist of this is that the authors of the article found that the >> population in places such as Frutigen (where my patrilineal line is >> supposed to have come from), Poschiavo, Einsiedeln, Mels, Widnau, and >> Appenzell have relatively few surnames compared with practically all >> other communes of similar population size in Switzerland, which means >> that in-migration from elsewhere has been historically low and >> consequently due to inter-marriage almost everyone there is probably >> related to some extent to everyone else. > > Possibly I shouldn't comment on an article which I haven't read myself - > I hope Dale puts me right if my asumption is incorrect. > > From the above I get the impression, that a genealogical relation is > always assumed for people with the same surname. I often read this > asumption between the lines of queries sent to me - and it's simply > wrong! In German (not sure about Rumantsch) there are several very > common surnames, carried by hundreds (or even thousands) of families > with no genealogical connection whatsoever - just consider all the > Meier, Schmid, Huber, Keller, .... - there are no really equivalent > surnames in French and Italian speaking parts of the world. If this > feeling of mine is correct, this would mean the above study is heavily > biased towards high consanguinuity in the Geramn speaking part of > Switzerland - which in turn renders any conclusion from this study > questionable, to say the least. Conclusions of this kind will be much > less biased when comparing single communities within a common language > reagion, of course. There are several areas (and I guess you can find > these all over the world) where for geographical or religios (and > possibly other) reasons in-migration has been very low - of the above > especially Poschiavo will qualify for geographical reasons, might also > apply to Frutigen and Einsiedeln, I would not necessarily expect Mels > and Widnau here. > > Best regards - Wolf > __________________ > Wolf Seelentag, Ph.D. > Reherstr. 19 > CH - 9016 St.Gallen > +41 (0) 71 - 288 51 21 > wolf.seelentag@swissonline.ch > > > ==== SWITZERLAND Mailing List ==== > Going on vacation? Gone longer than 4 days? Go to > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/CHE/SWITZERLAND.html > to unsubscribe >

What follows is the summary of an article (which I basically understand) that touches a bit on the genetic structure of inhabitants of selected Swiss villages, and to some degree their descendents elsewhere. It appeared in the Annals of Human Biology, 1996, Vol. 23, no. 6, pages 431-455, and was entitled, "Isonymy and the genetic structure of Switzerland; I. The distributtion of surnames" by I. Barrai, C. Scapoli, et al. "The surname distribution of the population of Switzerland was studied using a sample of 1,702,000 private users registered for the year 1994 in the Helvetic Telephone Directory. These users were distributed in four linguistic areas, in 26 cantons and 271 communes of the Confederation. Estimates of unbiased random isonymy, of Fisher's "a", an indicator of abundance of surnames converging to the allele effective number in standard genetic polymorphisms, and of Karlin-McGregor's "v", an indicator of immigration rates, were calculated for each Commune, each Canton, each linguistic area and for the whole confederation. The Commune with the highest value of "a" was Geneva ("a" = 5312) followed by Versoiz (3713) and by the Communes of Vaud on the north shore of Lake Leman, Chavannes (3381), Montreux (3200), Nyon (3114), and Lausanne (3109). The Italian-speaking communes of the Ticino were next. The lowest value ("a" = 29) was observed in Poschiavo, south of the Berninapass; "a" = 39 was observed in Einsiedeln (Schwyz); then Mels and Widnau (62 and 67, Canton of St. Gallen), Frutigen in Bern (72); and Appenzell (80). Accordingly, the highest consanguinity values were observed in the Grisons and in the nucleus of the founding Cantons, while the lowest were observed in the Cantons of Geneva and Vaud, preferential areas of immigration to Switzerland from abroad. The effect of subdivision on isonymy is large at the Commune level, and decreases in Cantons and linguistic groups. French and Italian languages indicate minor, German and Romanisch major inbreeding." The gist of this is that the authors of the article found that the population in places such as Frutigen (where my patrilineal line is supposed to have come from), Poschiavo, Einsiedein, Mels, Widnau, and Appenzell have relatively few surnames compared with practically all other communes of similar population size in Switzerland, which means that in-migration from elsewhere has been historically low and consequently due to inter-marriage almost everyone there is probably related to some extent to everyone else. Dale Bricker

My best guesses are: Cynttanen = Thunstetten, BE (this is about as far out on the guess as you can go) Guttanien = Guttannen, BE Kerisan = (no clue right now) Bessa = ( no clue right now) Only the Guttannen was very close. Dave Schmutz ====================================================================Date: Sat, 2 Jul 2005 22:46:37 -0400 From: dbricker@cyburban.com To: SWITZERLAND-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [SWITZ] Mangled Swiss place names The database for the Ellis Island point of entry for immigrants contains place names of their origin, in the case I'm interested in for Swiss citizens by the name of Bruegger, that seem to me to have been written down by English-speaking officials who had no knowledge of locations in Switzerland. Does anyone have a clue as to what the correct name for these places might be? Cynttanen Guttanien Kerisan Bessa Thanks very much. Dale Bricker __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Read only the mail you want - Yahoo! Mail SpamGuard. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail

Hello Listers, I want to take the time for thank Wolf and the others who solved my problem with my Usteri/Usterin problem. Just goes to show you that no matter how long you've been doing research and taking classes there's always somethingnew new to learn. I'm still looking for Staheli women to Schadegg men marriages on my father's line. If anyone has done any research on thhis I would love to hear from you. Again, many thanks. Alice Davison, Yuma

Wolf, could you tell me what words are used for "air conditioner" in German? I want to put them into the German Wal-mart Search engine, to find out which ones are being sold at an affordable price. Thanks much for a reply, Dianne Croak

Hi Lists, Would anyone have the "Rohrbach" churchbooks CD that would do a lookup for me? If so, trying to located the following births: Anna Elisabeth Schurch, von Rohrbach Baptized: 7 Dec 1828 & Anna Maria Rothenbuhler Born: ? May 1854 Baptized: 1 Jun 1854 Parents: Johann Rothenbuhler Anna Elisabeth Schurch thanks, robert

Congratulations, Linda! It sounds like your reunion was a great success. When you are so far, I'd love to see those 3 old photos and history with them. Could you scan them to me? Greetings from Ft. Bragg, Mendocino County, CA .... home of many Ticinesi, as you well know. Thanks, Hanna Grenny PS. How about an old favorite recipe? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Linda Mock" <lindamock@webtv.net> To: <SWITZERLAND-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, July 06, 2005 3:11 PM Subject: Re: SWITZERLAND-D Digest V05 #94 > hi list, > Just returned from the 75th gathering of the Swiss, CEVIO,Ticino family > of the FILIPPINI's, down in the Napa/Sonoma area of California. Of the > orginal family only 3 - 1st cousin and or spouses remain and 2 came to > the reunion....but the 52 2nd cousins ALL CAME..what are the odds on > this one. We haven't been together in 27 yrs....and boy did we have a > gathering, great visits and the food was delicious, Mediterian style > foods<yummy!>...Several bought things, stories and items to share, I > brought 2 coats of arms for the family to share and talk about the > origins and dates. > A special highlght of the gathering, was that my sister and I tracked > down the orginal house that g-grandfather built in 1884 and it is now > part of a winery and is used to entertain prospective wine buyers and > dealers from all over the World. Then a cousin from VIrginia had with > her several photo's dating back then 1878-1914 that show the building > increases and orchard and vineyards, so I trot down to Fed-ex-Kinko's > and they now have a machine that does an execlent repo of your > photo's<takes out the sepia tone if wanted and can clean up the photo's > blemished if need....< I was impressed > so made 6 copies of each of the > 3 photo's and will find the history I found out, to send to the winery, > and hope that they will honor our favor of the use and tours of the > house for the next reunion in 2006....Doing a VERY Happy dance in my > house. > > ~Linda~ > Hawkins Bar, CA. >

hi list, Just returned from the 75th gathering of the Swiss, CEVIO,Ticino family of the FILIPPINI's, down in the Napa/Sonoma area of California. Of the orginal family only 3 - 1st cousin and or spouses remain and 2 came to the reunion....but the 52 2nd cousins ALL CAME..what are the odds on this one. We haven't been together in 27 yrs....and boy did we have a gathering, great visits and the food was delicious, Mediterian style foods<yummy!>...Several bought things, stories and items to share, I brought 2 coats of arms for the family to share and talk about the origins and dates. A special highlght of the gathering, was that my sister and I tracked down the orginal house that g-grandfather built in 1884 and it is now part of a winery and is used to entertain prospective wine buyers and dealers from all over the World. Then a cousin from VIrginia had with her several photo's dating back then 1878-1914 that show the building increases and orchard and vineyards, so I trot down to Fed-ex-Kinko's and they now have a machine that does an execlent repo of your photo's<takes out the sepia tone if wanted and can clean up the photo's blemished if need....< I was impressed > so made 6 copies of each of the 3 photo's and will find the history I found out, to send to the winery, and hope that they will honor our favor of the use and tours of the house for the next reunion in 2006....Doing a VERY Happy dance in my house. ~Linda~ Hawkins Bar, CA.

> Von: Laura bender [mailto:smokindogs@sbcglobal.net] > Gesendet: Dienstag, 5. Juli 2005 18:28 > > I am searching for August Martin Hottinger; son of Martin Hottinger. > > Basel, Switzerland is listed as city on 1st Papers/immigration papers. > Immigrated to Milwaukee WI abt. 1904. > Born: 1884; > > I would appreciate any info to online sites for Swiss records. > > Laura > smokindogs@sbcglobal.net The first Hottinger family gained citizenship of Basle (the city) in 1835 - so it's quite plausible your ancestor was a citizen of Basel: you'll have to contact the Civil Registry Office there to find out - there is no data of this kind online. Have a look at http://swiss.genealogy.net/intro-e.htm about the "Familienschein". Good luck - Wolf __________________ Wolf Seelentag, Ph.D. Reherstr. 19 CH - 9016 St.Gallen +41 (0) 71 - 288 51 21 wolf.seelentag@swissonline.ch

I am searching for August Martin Hottinger; son of Martin Hottinger. Basel, Switzerland is listed as city on 1st Papers/immigration papers. Immigrated to Milwaukee WI abt. 1904. Born: 1884; I would appreciate any info to online sites for Swiss records. Laura smokindogs@sbcglobal.net

> Von: dbricker@cyburban.com [mailto:dbricker@cyburban.com] > Gesendet: Sonntag, 3. Juli 2005 04:47 > > The database for the Ellis Island point of entry for immigrants > contains place names of their origin, in the case I'm interested in > for Swiss citizens by the name of Bruegger, that seem to me to have > been written down by English-speaking officials who had no knowledge > of locations in Switzerland. Does anyone have a clue as to what the > correct name for these places might be? > > Cynttanen > Guttanien > Kerisan > Bessa > > Thanks very much. > Dale Bricker Checking Familiennamenbuch for Bruegger one place is obvious: Guttannen (Bern) will be correct for Guttanien, and possibly also for Cynttanen. For the other two - no idea, as none of the places of citizenship looks at least close to me; but then - whilst Swiss emigrants will most likely have given their place of citizenship, some may have given their place of living, which could be different. Best regards - Wolf

The database for the Ellis Island point of entry for immigrants contains place names of their origin, in the case I'm interested in for Swiss citizens by the name of Bruegger, that seem to me to have been written down by English-speaking officials who had no knowledge of locations in Switzerland. Does anyone have a clue as to what the correct name for these places might be? Cynttanen Guttanien Kerisan Bessa Thanks very much. Dale Bricker

Hello, I am new to this list and I am looking for my grandmother's family Her name was Adelina Barlocchi born Oct 14, 1889 from Gordola Switzerland. Her father was Enrico Barlocchi. Adelina's mother died when she was young and her father remarried a lady named Teresa. My uncle stated that the family was from Locarno. I did a search and found that Locarno is 3 miles away. So could Gordola have been part of Locarno or Locarno part of Gordola; at the time the Barlocchi's were there. At 16 years old, Adelina left her homeland headed for the United States of America. Telling her father that if he sent her to the United States he would not see her again and he didn't. She was sent to care for a family members children. Her sister Clelia (Clara) Barlocchi followed in 1910. Clelia (Clara) Barlocchi was born 16 Oct 1895. A cousin went to the LDS family history center and found the following information below. We would like to know if the Baptismal record of Delphina is a sibling of Adelina Barlocchi daughter of Enrico Barlocchi. Can anyone help here or if this is Adelina Barlocchi's baptismal certificate. We have not located Clelia's baptismal certificate. The name listed is Delphina and the date is January 29, 1896. This child's father's name was Enrico (son of Carlo) and Marianna, daughter of Giuseppe. Godparents were Giuseppe filipelli and Maria Barlocchi. We do not know if the above Enrico is the father of Adelina and Clelia (Clara) Barlocchi but could be. Is this also the mother of Clelia and Adelina Barlocchi. We know that Adelina and Clelia (Clara) Barlocchi's father's name was Enrico Barlocchi. My grandmother told my mom and I that my father was named after her father. If I am to follow the naming pattern I would think that her mother's name was Estella. Her first two children a son and a daughter were named after my grandfather's parents. Any help appreciated. Thank you. Granddaughter of Adelina Barlocchi and Attilio Ivaldi of Oakland, California, USA Joy Ivalidi Durrett Medford, Oregon USA

Hello Listers, Is there anybody on this list who lives in or near Bremgarten,KT.Aargau, that would be willing to volunteer to do a look-up for me? Thank You, Sheri Nielsen Maine,USA This is a cross lists post.

Please check Pittsburg , Allegheny, Penna 1880 Census - for John and Mary Hoover - son August of Swiss birth age 6 - Seems to be their first home base after arriving thru New York in early 1880 signed thru under a P. Hoover (probably Paul) This is not my lineage however I am an ardent genealogists who likes to connect lost families and if this helps - all the better -- Jim Hinnershitz Berks County Rdg,Pa Name:   P. Hoover Year:   1880 Place:   Allegheny Co., Pennsylvania Source Publication Code:   9700 Primary Immigrant:   Hoover, P Source Bibliography:   WESTERN PENNSYLVANIA GENEALOGICAL SOCIETY, Pittsburgh, compilers. A List of Immigrants Who Applied for Naturalization Papers in the District Courts of Allegheny County, Pennsylvania. Pittsburgh: the society. Vol. 5, 1880-1887. 1981. 141p. Page:   49

Hello Pat, If he was indeed born about 1874 and arrived in the US in 1883, it is likely that he came with his parents, given his age. With that in mind, it's also possible that he obtained his naturalization when his father naturalized which would explain why you've found no records for him specifically. Do you know his parents' names? These should be listed on his marriage record (hopefully!). With that information, perhaps you can find in which county/state his father settled. That's where you start looking for naturalization records. Here are some problems I see with this. You first find him in Whiteside County, Illinois in 1900. By then, he had been in the US for 17 years. He may or may not have disembarked from the boat and headed directly to Illinois. Chances are that they lived somewhere for a while prior to moving to Illinois. . . perhaps New York since that comes up a couple of times in his census records. If he had grown up in New York, it wouldn't be surprising if someone in his household mistakenly provided that as his birth location to the census taker. You may find more luck looking for the records from his father. August's obit might also shed some clues about where he lived while growing up. Good luck! Shelly How do I find immigration/naturalization papers for AUGUST HOOVER, b. 1874 either in N.Y. or Switzerland. He was in Whiteside Co., Illinois, USA on the 1900 census and lived there until 1964. There are no records in Whiteside Co. Illinois, and he probablly wasn't there before 1890. Is there a compilation somewhere of the Swiss/Germans to America.--Thanks, Pat Welch Here are the census records: 900 Rock Falls, Whiteside, Illinois August Hoover 25 N.Y. Oct 1874 boarder - Switzerland-Switzerland household of Levi Lahr 1910 Coloma, Whiteside, Illinois August Hoover 35 Swit-Ger nat 1883 Georgeanna 41 Florence M 9 Agnes 7 Robert A. 2 1920 Coloma, Whiteside, Illinois August Hoover 46 N.Y.-N.Y.-Switzerland Margaret 51 Florence 18 Agnes 17 Robert 11 1930 Coloma, Whiteside, Illinois August Hoover 55 Switzerlanld-Switzerland-Switzerland Georganna 61 Robert E. 22

Write to National Achives they have a card name index of applications on microfilm. Most applications were made to local courts, but the Archives has many on microfilm.

How do I find immigration/naturalization papers for AUGUST HOOVER, b. 1874 either in N.Y. or Switzerland. He was in Whiteside Co., Illinois, USA on the 1900 census and lived there until 1964. There are no records in Whiteside Co. Illinois, and he probablly wasn't there before 1890. Is there a compilation somewhere of the Swiss/Germans to America.--Thanks, Pat Welch Here are the census records: 900 Rock Falls, Whiteside, Illinois August Hoover 25 N.Y. Oct 1874 boarder - Switzerland-Switzerland household of Levi Lahr 1910 Coloma, Whiteside, Illinois August Hoover 35 Swit-Ger nat 1883 Georgeanna 41 Florence M 9 Agnes 7 Robert A. 2 1920 Coloma, Whiteside, Illinois August Hoover 46 N.Y.-N.Y.-Switzerland Margaret 51 Florence 18 Agnes 17 Robert 11 1930 Coloma, Whiteside, Illinois August Hoover 55 Switzerlanld-Switzerland-Switzerland Georganna 61 Robert E. 22

Pat My great grandfather came to USA from Switzerland in 1873 & was listed in the book "Germans to America, Lists of Passengers Arriving at U.S. Ports, Volume 30, June 1873-November 1873�, edited by Ira A Glazier and P. William Filby. This "series" of books (you'll probably need a different volume) is available at large libraries. Your local library can probably find nearest to you. I believe all? immigration records (images) are available from Ancestry.com - of course, you have to purchase that particular subscription. Finding his actual citizenship "paperwork" is another story & may be more difficult. Ernie Hurst > [Original Message] > From: Patricia Welch <patwelch63@hotmail.com> > To: <SWITZERLAND-L@rootsweb.com> > Date: 6/16/2005 1:51:59 PM > Subject: [SWITZ] Questions re immigration/naturalization to U.S. abt 1883 --AUGUST HOOVER > > How do I find immigration/naturalization papers for AUGUST HOOVER, b. 1874 > either in N.Y. or Switzerland. He was in Whiteside Co., Illinois, USA on > the 1900 census and lived there until 1964. > There are no records in Whiteside Co. Illinois, and he probablly wasn't > there before 1890. > > Is there a compilation somewhere of the Swiss/Germans to America.--Thanks, > Pat Welch > > Here are the census records: > > 900 Rock Falls, Whiteside, Illinois > August Hoover 25 N.Y. Oct 1874 boarder - Switzerland-Switzerland > household of Levi Lahr > > > > 1910 Coloma, Whiteside, Illinois > August Hoover 35 Swit-Ger nat 1883 > Georgeanna 41 > Florence M 9 > Agnes 7 > Robert A. 2 > > 1920 Coloma, Whiteside, Illinois > August Hoover 46 N.Y.-N.Y.-Switzerland > Margaret 51 > Florence 18 > Agnes 17 > Robert 11 > > 1930 Coloma, Whiteside, Illinois > August Hoover 55 Switzerlanld-Switzerland-Switzerland > Georganna 61 > Robert E. 22 > > > > ==== SWITZERLAND Mailing List ==== > Going on vacation? Gone longer than 4 days? Go to > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/CHE/SWITZERLAND.html > to unsubscribe

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