Harold wrote: But to know *where* the holders of the surnames were in 1798, and any additional information, you have to see the book itself. I'm looking for Volz/Folz and noticed that Folz is one of the surnames in Men of Bern. Can anyone do a lookup and tell me which towns this name appears? Regards, Paul

I don't see it, but you don't need to take my word for it. The books' publisher has kindly placed on line the surnames found in it at http://www.pictonpress.com/Swiss_Surnames.htm But to know *where* the holders of the surnames were in 1798, and any additional information, you have to see the book itself. (www.eogen.com/Switzerland) Harold > At 9:18 AM -0500 10/19/05, hhsh@earthlink.net wrote: > >According to the introduction, page xxiii, the list in the book is really a > >list of those citizens who took the Citizen's Oath of Allegiance to Napoleon's > >new Helvetic Republic, and the day designated for oath-taking was 17 Aug 1798, > >a Friday. Since it applied to men aged 20-70, there doesn't seem to have been > >any premium for exact accuracy in the recording of ages, so I suppose they > >should be taken with a grain of salt, as with all age reports in that era. > > Was anyone with the surname BOTTERON listed? > > The family's "home town" (what's the Swiss name for that?) > is Nods, near the French border. > > That area has sometimes been in Switzerland, sometimes in France. > I don't know which country it was in in 1798. > > Thank you! > Carol Botteron <botteron@alum.mit.edu> > Harold Henderson, researching HENDERSON, DAVIDSON, ANDERSSON, STENBERG, THRALL, FLINT, SCHRIBER, JOSS, SCHOLES, MOZLEY, BOREN, LINHART, BASSETT, BLISS, BURDICK, CRANDALL and many more http://wc.rootsweb.com/~hendersonscholes http://justonestory.com

At 9:18 AM -0500 10/19/05, hhsh@earthlink.net wrote: >According to the introduction, page xxiii, the list in the book is really a >list of those citizens who took the Citizen's Oath of Allegiance to Napoleon's >new Helvetic Republic, and the day designated for oath-taking was 17 Aug 1798, >a Friday. Since it applied to men aged 20-70, there doesn't seem to have been >any premium for exact accuracy in the recording of ages, so I suppose they >should be taken with a grain of salt, as with all age reports in that era. Was anyone with the surname BOTTERON listed? The family's "home town" (what's the Swiss name for that?) is Nods, near the French border. That area has sometimes been in Switzerland, sometimes in France. I don't know which country it was in in 1798. Thank you! Carol Botteron <botteron@alum.mit.edu>

According to the introduction, page xxiii, the list in the book is really a list of those citizens who took the Citizen's Oath of Allegiance to Napoleon's new Helvetic Republic, and the day designated for oath-taking was 17 Aug 1798, a Friday. Since it applied to men aged 20-70, there doesn't seem to have been any premium for exact accuracy in the recording of ages, so I suppose they should be taken with a grain of salt, as with all age reports in that era. Harold > Hi List, > Have a question on the document "Men of Bern". Is the year > 1798 the magic number? I have some possible relatives > listed.......some names list year of birth and others list age. So can > I assume if a name list his age at 44, he was born in 1754, and if a > name list his year born at 1766, he was age 32? > > thanks, > robert > > ______________________________ Harold Henderson, researching HENDERSON, DAVIDSON, ANDERSSON, STENBERG, THRALL, FLINT, SCHRIBER, JOSS, SCHOLES, MOZLEY, BOREN, LINHART, BASSETT, BLISS, BURDICK, CRANDALL and many more http://wc.rootsweb.com/~hendersonscholes http://justonestory.com

If anyone has access to the book Men Of Bern, would you be willing to look up the name TSCHUMMI or TSCHUMI for me? I can't find it locally and my local library is not willing to do an interlibrary loan due to cost--even if I pay the shipping costs. Thanks Barb in CT Robert Rothenbuhler <rrothenbuhler@Austin.rr.com> wrote: Hi List, Have a question on the document "Men of Bern". Is the year 1798 the magic number? I have some possible relatives listed.......some names list year of birth and others list age. So can I assume if a name list his age at 44, he was born in 1754, and if a name list his year born at 1766, he was age 32? thanks, robert ==== SWITZERLAND Mailing List ==== Going on vacation? Gone longer than 4 days? Go to http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/CHE/SWITZERLAND.html to unsubscribe nothing in message

Hi List, Have a question on the document "Men of Bern". Is the year 1798 the magic number? I have some possible relatives listed.......some names list year of birth and others list age. So can I assume if a name list his age at 44, he was born in 1754, and if a name list his year born at 1766, he was age 32? thanks, robert

Please do a family name look up for me. Thank you! Dariusz Jan Betscher

Hallo, would anybody know of a Family Book on Bruehwyler around Bichelsee, TG, with info's before 1800 ? thanks for trying, Steve Vogtle

I was wondering if anyone could help me find my Walter family. They were German speaking. I am looking to find any information I can on Christian Walter born abt. 1783 and his son Nicholas Walter born 1808 or 1809. I was told Nicholas was born in Seedorf. Nicholas married a Maria Zangger. She was born in Brunnenthal Switzerland in 1821 and was the daughter of Christian Zangger and Anna Isch. I have lots of information on this Zannger/ Zonker/Sonker family back to Felix Zangger born in 1605 thanks to a generous cousin, but none on my Walter family Although there are three Seedorfs in Switzerland.I am pretty sure it is the Seedorf near Bern. I was just in Switzerland with a group tour. It is beautiful country! I was only able to inquire at the town hall in the Seedorf near the Luzern, Altdorf area. They told me The Walter/Walther name is know around Bern and are not from this Seedorf. They ended up coming to America sometime before 1830. I found them in the 1830 census of Switzerland Township, Monroe County, Ohio. I can't find them on any ship lists. And don't know when and how they got here. Any information would be very much appreciated. Kristi in Cleveland, Ohio, USA

> Von: dbricker@cyburban.com [mailto:dbricker@cyburban.com] > Gesendet: Donnerstag, 13. Oktober 2005 18:41 > [...] > In other words, is there a general rule of thumb for how many > generations a family could have kept registering children > born outside of Switzerland as citizens of a town there? As long as they paid their duties. Best regards - Wolf

> Von: Guy Grenny [mailto:guyg@saber.net] > Gesendet: Donnerstag, 13. Oktober 2005 17:39 > > Dear Sheri, > just quick note: the HUBER Swiss family surname appears as > having held citizenship in just about every Kanton of > Switzerland. Too numerous to list. Huber is indeed one of the most common names in Switzerland (well - in all German speaking countries). You'll get some impression of HOW common it is on http://www.geneal-forum.com/forum_d/showthread.php?id=468 Best regards - Wolf

WILDBERGER appear as citizens of Neunkirch, Kanton Schaffhausen before 1799 (in 1989 Families still there) WILDBERGER " " " of Schaffhausen, Kanton Schaffhausen 1800-1899 (with prior citizenship in Neunkirch, SH) (in 1989 Families still live there) Thats all. Hanneli ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Wildberger" <JohnWildberger@webtv.net> To: <SWITZERLAND-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, October 13, 2005 2:52 AM Subject: Swiss Family Name Book - Wildberger > Please do a family name look up for me. > Thank you! > John > > ______________________________

How about www.familysearch.org Hanneli ----- Original Message ----- From: <hunter1@scattercreek.com> To: "Guy Grenny" <guyg@saber.net> Sent: Thursday, October 13, 2005 3:18 PM Subject: Re: WEBER of Affeltrangen, TG > Hi, > > I'm looking for the familysearch.org site...what is the official name and > author of the book? > > Thanks > > Lola > > Dear Lola,

I am looking at a marriage record for 1723 from the Reformed church in the town of Markirch in Alsace, where many Swiss and people of Swiss descent were baptized and married. In this record, the groom, Peter Bruegger (Junior), is identified as the son of a Pete rBruegger (Senior) who is deceased, but was a "burger"? from Schwarzenburg. I looked at the records for Schwarzenburg/Wahlern, but could find no mention of a Bruegger who was married there in the 1680s or 1690s. I know for a fact that Peter Bruegger Jr was born in Alsace to Peter Bruegger Sr in 1698. My question: if Peter Bruegger Sr was also born outside of Schwarzenburg, but had been registered by his own father (who ever that may have been) as a citizen of Schwarzenburg, could Peter Bruegger Sr himself later register his own son Peter Bruegger Jr as a citizen of that Swiss town as well? In other words, is there a general rule of thumb for how many generations a family could have kept registering children born outside of Switzerland as citizens of a town there? Thanks, Dale Bricker

Dear Lola, the Swiss Family Surname Book lists Swiss communities where families with certain Swiss Surnames held citizenship before1862. It is also cross-referenced in that it lists the Swiss town names and what Swiss surnames held citizenship there before 1862. In other words it can give you a rough idea where a Swiss ancestor by a certain name may have originated from, thus enabling you to start searching in those places. Since you are going to be in genealogy heaven, i.e. the Family History Library in Salt Lake City, you will be at the very source of help. Ask at the entrance desk directions to find the "International floor" (B1 I believe). There just ask for help at that desk. They'll show you probably the "live" Swiss Family Surname Book" (on the shelf), but since you know where your WEBERs came from, you probably won't need that. If any microfilms of pertaining parish records have been made, they'll help you find them in the very drawers and even show you how to view them. Just keep asking for help and above all go there prepared with ALL data you have already. Good hunting. Hanneli PS. If you stay at a hotel in SLC, try the PLAZA because you can just walk out their backdoor and a hundred feet to your left is the FHL. I love it. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lola Weber" <hunter1@scattercreek.com> To: "Guy Grenny" <guyg@saber.net> Sent: Tuesday, October 11, 2005 9:27 AM Subject: Re: Swiss Family Name book > Hanneli, > > Here they are: > > Thomas Weber b abt 1615 Affeltrangen, Thurgau, SWITZERLAND > d bef 1666 > married Anna Frohlich > Children: (all born Affeltrangen) > Johann Jacob b abt 1640 > Thomas b 5 Jul 1649 > Barbara b 4 Dec 1653 > > What is the Swiss FAmily Name book??? How was it developed? > I am going to Salt Lake City in a week and hoping to see if I can find > anything else on this family, so I appreciate your efforts. > > Lola > >

Dear Sheri, just quick note: the HUBER Swiss family surname appears as having held citizenship in just about every Kanton of Switzerland. Too numerous to list. Bremgarten, Aargau lists the following LDS microfilm in: www.Familysearch.org Family History Library Catalogue search under "Place Names" : Title Kirchenbuch, 1400-1875 Authors Katholische Kirche Bremgarten (Aargau) (Main Author) Notes Mikrofilm aufgenommen von Manuskripten im Stadtarchiv Brugg, Kt. Aargau, Schweiz. Mit Index. Baptisms, marriages, deaths, confirmations, and memorial anniversary masses for the Roman Catholic Church of Bremgarten, Ct. Aargau, Switzerland. Includes indexes. Subjects Switzerland, Aargau, Bremgarten - Church records Format Manuscript (On Film) Language German Publication Salt Lake City, Utah : Gefilmt durch The Genealogical Society of Utah, 1996 Physical auf 1 Mikrofilmrolle ; 35 mm. Film Notes Note - Location [Film] Taufen 1580-1718 Firmungen 1669-1676 Heiraten 1580-1685 Tote 1591-1683 Taufen 1718-1866 Firmungen 1723-1856 Heiraten 1718-1865 Tote 1718-1875 Taufen 1812-1834 (Auswärtige Bürger) Anniversarien ca. 1400-1500 - FHL INTL Film [ 2062015 Items 1-3 ] © 2002 Intellectual Reserve, Inc. All rights reserved. You may wish to order that at your nearest LDS Family History Center. Hanneli ----- Original Message ----- From: "Odin's Favorite" <odins_favorite@hotmail.com> To: "Guy Grenny" <guyg@saber.net> Sent: Monday, October 10, 2005 8:15 AM Subject: Swiss Family Surname Book > Hi Hannneli, > > Could you please look for Huber/Nielsen in the Bremgarten, Aargau area? > the closer to 1900 the better. > > My grandfather was born in Bremgarten, Aargau , but I don't know how to go > about > getting his records. Any help would be appreciated > Sheri Nielsen > Maine,USA

Please do a family name look up for me. Thank you! John

HELLO: I need information on Peter Welty Born ca. 1690s in Bern, Switzerland and Died ca. 1755, York Co., Pennsylvania. I would like all kinds, of information on Peter Welty. Your time and assistance will truly be appreciated. Sincerely Yours, Dan E. Flanery _OakFlats@aol.com_ (mailto:OakFlats@aol.com) Glendale, AZ.

In a message dated 10/11/2005 11:03:50 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, SWITZERLAND-D-request@rootsweb.com writes: "Guy Grenny" _guyg@saber.net_ (mailto:guyg@saber.net) Would you do a family name lookup for me too? GUENIAT Thank you! Di

Yes, I'll be glad to look your surname up - in time! Hanneli ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lola Weber" <hunter1@scattercreek.com> To: "Guy Grenny" <guyg@saber.net> Sent: Saturday, October 08, 2005 10:01 AM Subject: Re: [SWITZ] Re: Research > Hello. I have not been able to post on the Switzerland-L@rootsweb.com > page...for some reason, it indicates Invalid email address. > Can you see anything wrong with it? > > Do you have the Swiss Famiy Surname Book? Is it okay to ask for lookups? > > How can I find out about the early history of Canton Thurgau? > > The village is Affeltrangen and I am interested in the early history of > the area - how it was settled. > > By 1666 some of my ancestors left this area for Germany. I am wondering > if there were wars or events that might have led to that? > > Any help appreciated. > > A family searcher, > > Lola M. Weber > > hunter1@scattercreek.com > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Guy Grenny" <guyg@saber.net> > To: <SWITZERLAND-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Saturday, October 08, 2005 9:42 AM > Subject: [SWITZ] Re: Research > > >> Dear Lori, >> the Swiss Family Surname Book (Familiennamenbuch) lists many Places of >> Origin (Heimatort) where your MICHEL ancestors held citizenship in >> Switzerland, many before 1799. Several towns are also in the Kanton >> Graubuenden/Grisons, allbeit not Chur itself, but probably closeby. >> Since there are so many and I have only one life (little of it left ;-), >> I'll be glad to scan the full list of Heimatort(e) of MICHEL directly to >> your personal address. Would you like that? >> That way you can start scouring local sources in the most obvious places >> for your ancestors. >> Browse in the following excellent webs to get a basic understanding. >> >> http://www.eye.ch/swissgen/CH-burger-e.html >> >> http://www.eye.ch/swissgen/ >> >> http://www.eye.ch/swissgen/news-m.htm#news >> >> Best wishes, >> Hannneli >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Lori Laing" <Lori@bccollisions.com> >> To: <SWITZERLAND-L@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Thursday, October 06, 2005 10:09 AM >> Subject: Research >> >> >>> Hello to all, >>> >>> I am extremely new at this, have absolutely no idea what I am doing & >>> have very little to go on to start but here goes! >>> I'm trying to trace my grandfather's roots but have very little info at >>> this time. His surname was MICHEL, first name Ernest. I do know that >>> he was born Nov 3 1906? in the Chur area of Switzerland. He had a >>> bother named Albert(not sure on his Birthday). The boys were orphaned >>> at a young age. My great grandmother supposedly died when Poppa was >>> about 4, so that would be around 1910. Great Grandfather (first name >>> Albert) would have died a short while after that. All I know is than >>> Albert Michel sr was a train conductor with the Swiss railway & died in >>> a train wreck. My father thinks it was around 1912. Both boys >>> emigrated to British Columbia, Canada in their late teens or early 20's. >>> At this point, this is all I have to go on. Thanks for everyone's time! >>> >>> Lori Laing (nee Michel) >>> lori@bccollions.com >>> >>> ______________________________ >> >> >> ==== SWITZERLAND Mailing List ==== >> Going on vacation? Gone longer than 4 days? Go to >> http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/CHE/SWITZERLAND.html >> to unsubscribe >> > > >