Visit, and bookmark!, the highly informative Swiss genealogy site http://www.eye.ch/swissgen/ for some help on this matter. Harold > Hello Listers, I have been researching my Dättwyler family from Canton Bern. > Andreas Dättwyler was born in 1759 in Biel (Bienne) and was married in 1782. He > had 3 children, 1 born in Sombeval in 1784 and 2 born in Nidau in 1787 and > 1789. In the Men of Bern book I cannot found these towns. Is there a place that > I can find a map showing the Districts in the book? or are these towns not in > Canton Bern in 1798? Thank you, Alan Rossing, Monterey, California, USA > Harold Henderson, researching HENDERSON, DAVIDSON, ANDERSSON, STENBERG, THRALL, FLINT, SCHRIBER, JOSS, SCHOLES, MOZLEY, BOREN, LINHART, BASSETT, BLISS, BURDICK, CRANDALL and many more http://wc.rootsweb.com/~hendersonscholes http://justonestory.com
Hello Listers, I have been researching my Dättwyler family from Canton Bern. Andreas Dättwyler was born in 1759 in Biel (Bienne) and was married in 1782. He had 3 children, 1 born in Sombeval in 1784 and 2 born in Nidau in 1787 and 1789. In the Men of Bern book I cannot found these towns. Is there a place that I can find a map showing the Districts in the book? or are these towns not in Canton Bern in 1798? Thank you, Alan Rossing, Monterey, California, USA
Thank you to the people who expressed interest! Here's more information. The project is just getting started. So far we have one participant, whose results are not available yet. We'd be glad to add anyone who is eligible. Eligible people are: --Men whose paternal line (father's father's father etc.) goes back to the French-speaking part of Switzerland. These men can take a Y-DNA test. --Women and men whose maternal line (mother's mother's mother etc.) goes back to the French-speaking part of Switzerland. These people can take a mitochondrial DNA (mtDNA) test. Men who are eligible on both paternal and maternal lines can take both tests (with one DNA sample). Women whose paternal line is eligible (like me) need to recruit a male relative with the same paternal line. The web site is http://www.familytreedna.com/public/FrenchSwiss People who want to join can join via this site. In the space "Why do you want to join this project?" please include some information about your paternal and/or maternal lines (whichever is relevant). If you are not sure or have other questions about the project, please send me email. The cost varies, depending on which test you choose. A minimum (12 marker) Y-DNA test is about $100. (Participants in a project get a discount from FTDNA's recular prices.) If you have questions about DNA testing, look at http://www.familytreedna.com/faq.html You might also want to join the DNA-NEWBIE mailing list at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DNA-NEWBIE/ If you go to the main page at http://www.familytreedna.com/ choose PROJECTS or SURNAME PROJECTS, then look down to GEOGRAPHICAL PROJECTS. The French Swiss project is under F. (It wasn't listed yesterday but it is now.) The goal of the project is to find out how various French Swiss families are related, and the routes their ancestors may have taken to get to Switzerland. The border between Switzerland and France has moved several times (I'm still looking for good maps). For this study we'll "count" any area that has ever been considered part of Switzerland, as long as the main language is French. The list of surnames is partly to give examples, and partly so that people who test with National Geographic's Genographic Project https://www5.nationalgeographic.com/genographic/?fs=www3.nationalgeographic.com can find the French Swiss project. I'll be happy to add more French Swiss surnames. The ones listed now are from my Botteron family (around Nods and Diesse). At some point we'll start a special mailing list for this project. Carol Botteron <botteron@alum.mit.edu> At 10:02 PM -0500 11/1/05, Carol Botteron wrote: >The French Swiss DNA Project is open to anyone whose paternal and/or >maternal line goes back to the French-speaking part of Switzerland. > >Surnames currently include Bonjour, Botteron, Chatelain, Clenin, DeVaux, >Giaque, Girard, Guillaume, Huguenet, Junod, Racine, Rollier, and Sunier. >I'll add more surnames as we learn them. > >Anyone interested, please write to me. > >Carol Botteron <botteron@alum.mit.edu> > > >==== SWITZERLAND Mailing List ==== >Going on vacation? Gone longer than 4 days? Go to >http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/CHE/SWITZERLAND.html >to unsubscribe
----- Original Message ----- From: cooperkvrs To: guyg@saber.net Sent: Sunday, October 30, 2005 6:36 AM Subject: Swiss Look-up Request Dear Hanneli, May I impose upon you for a look-up, if you can w/o difficulty. My 2nd Grt. Opa, Nicholas Kaufmann b. in Rheinach, CH (Basel but am not certain if that is/was Basel Stadt) abt. 1814/1815. He died May 4, 1885 in Newark, NJ. He has a brother, Georg, and that is all I know. Thank you so very much for your time and kindness. Sincerely yours, Kelly Vogel Cooper Dear Kellly, Reinach (spelled without the 'h') is in Basel-Land (BL). Checking the Swiss Family Surnames CD (Prior to 1862 2nd edition, Picton Press, which is the only tool I have), I don't see that KAUFMAN held citizenship in Reinach, BL itself, which of course doesn't mean that KAUFMAN didn't live there. They could have lived anywhere else besides their place of citizenship *) see Wolf Seelentag's useful remarks below. However KAUFMAN did hold Citizenship in Buus, BL prior to 1799. (a ways south of Rheinfelden) In addition some KAUFMAN held citizenship in Basel-Stadt (BS) prior to 1799. A KAUFMAN moving in from Giebenbach, BL received Basel-Stadt citizenship in 1834. Another KAUFMAN emigrating from German received citizenship in BS in 1845. As you know, Reinach is just south of Basel. Now its a popular suburb for commuters. I hope this helps. Hanneli PS. For those listers whose lookups I made on my Swiss Familiennamenbuch CD, I wish to enclose Wolf Seelentags kind reproof (with plenty of good reason ;-). Study it well so that you can come to the right conclusions yourself. I apologize in that my comprehension of the scope of the various Swiss Family Surname Book editions, amendments, additions, expansions and meanings is extremely limited and shallow. I merely have the CD above mentioned, which at least gives a Swiss research novice [who only knows that their ancestors emigrated from Switzerland] a place to start searching. But my remarks were inaccurate, to say the least. It really behoves each serious researcher to study all the instructive material thats available on SwissGen, in this case resp. Swiss Citizenship, http://www.genealogienetz.de/reg/CH/intro-e.htm http://www.eye.ch/swissgen/news-m.htm#news all of which Wolf Seelentag has painstakingly made available to us. I'm learning something new everytime I read in there. Useful, useful lessons. HG _______________________________________________ *) Wolf Seelentag wrote: Dear Hanneli, I hope you don't mind if I point out some inaccuracies in your above statement and another mail by you a couple of days ago (see also my corrections to a mail by someone else several days ago): The latest printed edition of FNB was printed in 1989 - but is based on the survey of 1962: above it should therefore state "and still citizens in 1962" - not 1989 as above - and not 1862 as in your recent mail. The FNB excerpt published on CD stops in 1862 (I agree - 1862 and 1962 in the same context are bound to cause confusion): new citizenships granted after 1862 will not be listed - but any earlier citizenship listed on the CD requires existence in 1962, as otherwise it wouldn't be in the printed book - and not copied onto the CD. There are a few exceptions of extinct lines, mentioned e.g. in HBLS - but these are usually marked as such in the comments and/or source columns. "Families still live there" is not quite correct either: families still hold the citizenship there - they could live anywhere in the world, including overseas ;-). signed: Wolf Seelentag _____________________________ Thanks, Wolf, for keeping us on the right path! HG! ----- Original Message ----- From: cooperkvrs To: guyg@saber.net Sent: Sunday, October 30, 2005 6:36 AM Subject: Swiss Look-up Request Dear Hanneli, May I impose upon you for a look-up, if you can w/o difficulty. My 2nd Grt. Opa, Nicholas Kaufmann b. in Rheinach, CH (Basel but am not certain if that is/was Basel Stadt) abt. 1814/1815. He died May 4, 1885 in Newark, NJ. He has a brother, Georg, and that is all I know. Thank you so very much for your time and kindness. Sincerely yours, Kelly Vogel Cooper
Researching Louis NEULIST, born April 23, 1824 in Bern, Switzerland; married Sabina WOLFF in 1861 in Bern. Sabina was born November 5, 1837. Any information on the NEULIST family would be appreciated. Karen Gideon ==== SWITZERLAND Mailing List ==== Swiss Resource Site http://swiss.genealogy.net
Carol, Is this DNA Project with FTDNA or some other group? Looked it up on the FTDNA site and could not find it. Marjie ----- Original Message ----- From: "Carol Botteron" <botteron@alum.mit.edu> To: <SWITZERLAND-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, November 01, 2005 10:02 PM Subject: [SWITZ] French Swiss DNA Project > The French Swiss DNA Project is open to anyone whose paternal and/or > maternal line goes back to the French-speaking part of Switzerland. > > Surnames currently include Bonjour, Botteron, Chatelain, Clenin, DeVaux, > Giaque, Girard, Guillaume, Huguenet, Junod, Racine, Rollier, and Sunier. > I'll add more surnames as we learn them. > > Anyone interested, please write to me. > > Carol Botteron <botteron@alum.mit.edu> > > > ==== SWITZERLAND Mailing List ==== > Going on vacation? Gone longer than 4 days? Go to > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/CHE/SWITZERLAND.html > to unsubscribe > >
Looking for the following couples: Anna Marie Bossert and Husband Traugott Brüegger of Basel Switzerland. Born: abt. 1860 (both) Children: Clara Amanda Brügger, born- March 28, 1887 Basel or Montreaux, Switz. Maria Koch and Martin Hottinger Born: abt. 1860 (both) Children: August Martin Hottinger, born - July 10, 1884 Basel, Switz. Any leads or help would be greatly appreciated. Laura smokindogs@sbcglobal.net Milwaukee, Wisconsin, USA
The French Swiss DNA Project is open to anyone whose paternal and/or maternal line goes back to the French-speaking part of Switzerland. Surnames currently include Bonjour, Botteron, Chatelain, Clenin, DeVaux, Giaque, Girard, Guillaume, Huguenet, Junod, Racine, Rollier, and Sunier. I'll add more surnames as we learn them. Anyone interested, please write to me. Carol Botteron <botteron@alum.mit.edu>
I am looking for my gr-gr-grandmother's family: ELIZABETH BUSSLINGER - BORN 1814 RHAETIA, HELVETIA. I found this information on the baptisms of her children born in Wellesley Township, Ontario Canada in 1850's She was married to JOHN "SWISS" MEYER. as he is shown in Census records. I have no other information on him. Thanks for any help. Lorraine _________________________________________________________________ Powerful Parental Controls Let your child discover the best the Internet has to offer. http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-ca&page=byoa/prem&xAPID=1994&DI=1034&SU=http://hotmail.com/enca&HL=Market_MSNIS_Taglines Start enjoying all the benefits of MSN® Premium right now and get the first two months FREE*.
Hi Listers: I just discovered my St. Gallen canton emigrants in one of the GERMANS TO AMERICA book. I am not sure why hadn't looked there before, but there they were!!! Check it out! Joanne Joanne A. Smith Mello jomello@hitechnetworks.net
Hello Jim, The original town/hamlet of R?mikon was in the Parish of Elsau. If you go to www.mapquest.com and enter Elsau, you will see it is just east of Winterthur. Then if you select either of the two smallest scales for the map, you will see that the main road through Elsau is called R?mikerstrasse. It is likely that the former R?mikon was on this road. In any case, the old records would have been held by the parish church in Elsau. Good luck, Bruce. > I have an ancestor that presumably was born there in 1719,Anna Hofmann. A > courrent map showing towns within the canton does not show this location. Can > anyone tell me where 1719 and before records can be found today.Thanks, Jim
According to the 1:200,000 Swiss Road Map, there is a Rumikon in the extreme upper right corner of Canton Aargau just a couple kilometetrs from the border with Canton Zurich. This would have been part of Zurich from 1415 to 1805 per the Canton Aargau History: http://www.eye.ch/swissgen/kant/agallg-e.htm. There is also a Rumlikon about 20 km east of Zurich. Regards, Jim Rickenbacker Kingwood, TX Home Page: http://borisbrooks.com ----- Original Message ----- From: <JAMES0319@aol.com> To: <SWITZERLAND-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, October 26, 2005 2:30 PM Subject: [SWITZ] Records Location Today For Rumikon,Canton Zurich > I have an ancestor that presumably was born there in 1719,Anna Hofmann. A > courrent map showing towns within the canton does not show this location. Can > anyone tell me where 1719 and before records can be found today.Thanks, Jim
I have an ancestor that presumably was born there in 1719,Anna Hofmann. A courrent map showing towns within the canton does not show this location. Can anyone tell me where 1719 and before records can be found today.Thanks, Jim
Hallo, here are the look up's for the in the subject mentioned surname. The character 'a' stays for surnames first known before 1798 in the village or city, the character 'b' stays for surname first known between 1800 to 1861 in the village or city. The two capital letters stay for the following cantons: AG = Aargau, BE = Bern, BL = Basel-Land, BS = Basel-Stadt, FR = Fribourg (Freiburg), GR= Graubünden, LU = Luzern, SG = St. Gallen, SO = Solothurn, SZ = Schwyz, TG = Thurgau, VS = Vallais (Wallis) Betschart Arth SZ a Betschart Illgau SZ a Betschart Ingenbohl SZ a Betschart Lauerz SZ a Betschart Morschach SZ a Betschart Muotathal SZ a Betschart Sattel SZ a Betschart Schwyz SZ a Betschart Steinen SZ a Betschart Steinerberg SZ a Betschart Unteriberg SZ a Häne Kirchberg SG a Häneli Rothenburg LU b Häner Arlesheim BL a Häner Bretzwil BL a Häner Hölstein BL a Häner Bettingen BS a Häner Dornach SO a Häner Nunningen SO a Häner Seewen SO a Häner Zullwil SO a Hängärtner Gondiswil BE a Hänger Langenbruck BL a Hänger Lupsingen BL a Hänger Waldenburg BL a Hänggeli Ferenbalm BE a Hänggeli Mühleberg BE a Hänggeli Bösingen FR a Hänggi Laupen BE b 1861 eingebürgert Hänggi Büren SO a Hänggi Dulliken SO a Hänggi Fehren SO b aus Meltingen SO Hänggi Fehren SO b aus Nunningen SO Hänggi Meltingen SO a Hänggi Mümliswil-Ramiswil SO a Hänggi Nunningen SO a Hänggi Zullwil SO a Hänggli Kienberg SO b Häni Unterbözberg AG a Häni Arch BE a Häni Diessbach bei Büren BE a Häni Grossaffoltern BE a Häni Iffwil BE a Häni Leuzigen BE a Häni Oberwil bei Büren BE a Häni Rapperswil BE a Häni Wengi BE a Häni Zuzwil BE a Häni Uzwil SG a Häni Grenchen SO a Häni Mühledorf SO a Häni Selzach SO a Häni Homburg TG a ex Gündelhart-Hörhausen Häni Wängi TG a ex aus Anetswil TG Hänni Belp BE a Hänni Belpberg BE a Hänni Blumenstein BE a Hänni Burgistein BE a Hänni Forst BE a Hänni Gerzensee BE a Hänni Grossaffoltern BE a Hänni Gurzelen BE a Hänni Heimberg BE a Hänni Kienersrüti BE a Hänni Köniz BE a Hänni Längenbühl BE a Hänni Leuzigen BE a Hänni Neuenegg BE a Hänni Niedermuhlern BE a Hänni Oberbalm BE a Hänni Rapperswil BE a Hänni Reichenbach im Kandertal BE a Hänni Seftigen BE a Hänni Thierachern BE a Hänni Thun BE a ex Strättligen Hänni Toffen BE a Hänni Wengi BE a Hänni Wohlen bei Bern BE a Hänni Zimmerwald BE a Hänni Safien GR a Hänni Thusis GR b 1828 aus Safien GR Hänni Leuk VS b aus Reichenbach im Kandertal BE Hänny Leuzigen BE a Hänny Valendas GR b 1845 aus Safien GR Good luck Heinrich Jegen hjegen@hotmail.com www.heinrich.jegen.com
I have a Hany line in Canton Aargau that married in to my Umiker line.Sharon Umiker______________________________> --- End Attached Message---> --- Begin Attached Message---I was wondering if anyone could look up the surname Hany,Haney, or Hanni that is listed in Men of Bern. I do not have access to this book but see from Picton Press that these names are listed. My ggrand fathers name was Jacob Haney supposedly from Switzerland. Thank you in advance. LaVona (Haney) Wilson.______________________________ _______________________________________________ Join Excite! - http://www.excite.com The most personalized portal on the Web!
hello, may i also inquire abt the site, men of bern. the names REBMANN & ROHR appear. can i find out which city in the canton of berne the come from? tia, pat adinolfi http://community.webtv.net/asapava/apswebpage
Hallo, mit der Familienforschung beschäftige ich mich schon seit einiger Zeit. Ich möchte hier meine Forschungsgeschichte kurz zusammenfassen, denn sie zeigt, wie komplizeirt das Schicksal einer Familie sein kann. Ich bin aus Polen. Mein Urururgroßvater - Joseph Betscha(r) ist zwischen 1814 und 1821 nach Flatow (Złotów) in Polen gekommen. Polen existeirte damals nicht. Es war von drei Mächten: Preußen Russland und Österreich besetzt. Um die besetzten Gebietze zu "entpolonisieren", war jeder Einwanderer herzlich willkommen (Ackerfelder und Werkstätten standen ihnen frei zur Verfügung). Joseph stammte aus Kenzingen bei Freiburg, wo es 1814 einen großen Brand gab, in dem auch das Haus seiner Eltern niederbrannte. Seine Mutter starb schon früher, sein Vater kurz nach dem Brand. Die Existenz der vielen Kinder in der Familie Betscha(r) war gefährdet. Das war sicherlich der Grund zur Auswanderung. Interessant ist hier die Frage, wie ich darauf gekommen bin, dass es sich um Joseph Betscha aus Kenzingen handelt. In der Sterbeurkunde vom 21.10.1882 finden wir unter Geburtsort Herzogtum Baden Baden. Die Situation war so gut wie hoffnungslos. Ein Brief an die Mormonen in Salt Lake City und ein Zufall (eine nette Deutsche, die aus Rust - nicht weit von Kenzingen entfernt - stammte, hat mir geholfen) haben die weitere Suche möglich gemacht. Aus organisatorischen und finanziellen Gründen habe ich dann eine professionelle Forscherin beauftragt, dieser Spur nachzugehen. Es hat sich erwiesen, dass die Familie Betscha(r) seit Anfang des 18. in Kenzingen präsent war. 1724 heiratete mein 6xUrgroßvater Johann Betscha in Kenzingen Maria Anna Meyer. Davor fehlt jede Spur von dieser Familie. Wiederum hatte ich keine Hoffnung. Diesmal endgültig. So dachte ich zumindest. Die wechselnde Schreibform des Namens ließ mich vermuten, dass die Ausgangsform anders lauten könnte. In diesem Jahr bin ich im Internet auf den Namen Betschart gekommen. Kurz danach bin ich auf Johann (Hans) Marti Betschart gestoßen (geb. 1696 in Muotathal, Schwyz, Schweiz). Johann und seine Eltern haben Muotathal verlassen und sind nach Morschach gezogen. Dort sind auch seine Eltern gestorben. Der Tod von Johann ist in den dortigen Sterbebüchern nicht eingetragen ... Ich habe leider keine Ahnung, wie und wo ich Belege für meine Annahme, dass es sich hier um eine und dieselbe Person handelt, finden kann. Vielleicht kann mir jemand weiterhelfen? Ich weiß, dass die Schweiz damals alles andere als ein reiches Land war. Viele Schweizer, besonders aus den Berggebieten, sind als Söldner in den Krieg gezogen (Anfang des 18. Jhs - der Erbfolgekrieg in Spanien). Es ist wahrscheinlich, dennoch schwer zu bewiesen, dass Johann Marti Betschart in den Krieg gezogen ist und sich dann aus irgendwelchen Gründen in Kenzingen angesiedelt hat. Eine sehr freche These, könnte man sagen, aber es ist momentan die einzige, die nicht absurd ist. Viele Grüsse Dariusz Jan Betscher
I was wondering if anyone could look up the surname Hany,Haney, or Hanni that is listed in Men of Bern. I do not have access to this book but see from Picton Press that these names are listed. My ggrand fathers name was Jacob Haney supposedly from Switzerland. Thank you in advance. LaVona (Haney) Wilson.
>I'm looking for Volz/Folz and noticed that Folz is one of the surnames in >Men of Bern. Can anyone do a lookup and tell me which towns this name >appears? Hello, the surname Folz I couldn't find. The surname Volz appears in Bern (canton Bern) 1823 from Nidau, in Nidau (canton Bern) 1769 from Germany and in Kleinandelfingen (canton Zuerich) 1825 from Germany. Good Luck Heini Heinrich Jegen hjegen@hotmail.com www.heinrich.jegen.com
I received a flyer from Picton today. The three volume set is on sale 50% off - $99.75 - if anyone is interested in buying for their own reference or for their library. Judy ----- Original Message ----- From: <hhsh@earthlink.net> To: <SWITZERLAND-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, October 19, 2005 10:46 PM Subject: Re: Men of Bern >I don't see it, but you don't need to take my word for it. The books' > publisher has kindly placed on line the surnames found in it at > > http://www.pictonpress.com/Swiss_Surnames.htm > > But to know *where* the holders of the surnames were in 1798, and any > additional information, you have to see the book itself. > (www.eogen.com/Switzerland) > > Harold > > > >> At 9:18 AM -0500 10/19/05, hhsh@earthlink.net wrote: >> >According to the introduction, page xxiii, the list in the book is >> >really a >> >list of those citizens who took the Citizen's Oath of Allegiance to >> >Napoleon's >> >new Helvetic Republic, and the day designated for oath-taking was 17 Aug >> >1798, >> >a Friday. Since it applied to men aged 20-70, there doesn't seem to >> >have been >> >any premium for exact accuracy in the recording of ages, so I suppose >> >they >> >should be taken with a grain of salt, as with all age reports in that >> >era. >> >> Was anyone with the surname BOTTERON listed? >> >> The family's "home town" (what's the Swiss name for that?) >> is Nods, near the French border. >> >> That area has sometimes been in Switzerland, sometimes in France. >> I don't know which country it was in in 1798. >> >> Thank you! >> Carol Botteron <botteron@alum.mit.edu> >> > > Harold Henderson, researching HENDERSON, DAVIDSON, ANDERSSON, > STENBERG, THRALL, FLINT, SCHRIBER, JOSS, SCHOLES, MOZLEY, > BOREN, LINHART, BASSETT, BLISS, BURDICK, CRANDALL and many more > http://wc.rootsweb.com/~hendersonscholes http://justonestory.com > > ______________________________