Hello Robert, Erich just sent this to me, and I am sure that he would not mind my sharing his interesting email with you. Number 2 is the "route" that I think you (and I) would be interested in, although the mode of travel was not expressed. Mine went by train, some may have traveled by boats, or horse and wagon. (?) Nellie, a 68-yr-old root digger _posnsrch@aol.com_ (mailto:posnsrch@aol.com) Hi No, the way to Le Havre from Basel goes not back but westward. Most people in the German part of Switzerland went to America via Basel 1. To the Nederland by boat. 2. To Le Havre went arount the Vogese mountains trough the "Burgundian gate" e.g. Basel - Mulhouse - Belfort - Vesoul (- Langres - Troyes - Paris - Le Havre). 3. rarly, but also to Hamburg or Bremen. Regards Erich Trösch In a message dated 11/23/2005 8:16:45 A.M. Central Standard Time, rrothenbuhler@Austin.rr.com writes: Hi List, With all this talk about the mode of travel that our ancestors took, would anyone know the mode of travel for my ancestors. They lived in the Lützelflüh, Grünenmatt, and Lauperswil areas, im Emmental, Canton Berne. They left from Le Havre, France to America. Arrived 23 April 1855 at the wharf's of Manhattan as Castle Garden and Ellis Island did not exist at that time. What I would like to know is their mode of travel from their small village to Le Havre, and any other info about their journey. thanks, robert rrothenbuhler@austin.rr.com

Thanks, Erich, for the explanation. I knew that most went to Le Havre, but hadn't heard of this route...as they went around the Vogese mountain trough, could you explain what the Burgundian Gate is? Excuse my ignorance, but I don't know about that. And thank you so much for the exact towns that they probably stopped at. I will now look them up and study that route. Regards from Texas, USA, Nellie, a 68-yr-old root digger

Hi List, With all this talk about the mode of travel that our ancestors took, would anyone know the mode of travel for my ancestors. They lived in the Lützelflüh, Grünenmatt, and Lauperswil areas, im Emmental, Canton Berne. They left from Le Havre, France to America. Arrived 23 April 1855 at the wharf's of Manhattan as Castle Garden and Ellis Island did not exist at that time. What I would like to know is their mode of travel from their small village to Le Havre, and any other info about their journey. thanks, robert rrothenbuhler@austin.rr.com

Hi No, the way to Le Havre from Basel goes not back but westward. Most people in the German part of Switzerland went to America via Basel 1. To the Nederland by boat. 2. To Le Havre went arount the Vogese mountains trough the "Burgundian gate" e.g. Basel - Mulhouse - Belfort - Vesoul (- Langres - Troyes - Paris - Le Havre). 3. rarly, but also to Hamburg or Bremen. Regards Erich Trösch >-- Original-Nachricht -- >From: Posnsrch@aol.com >Date: Mon, 21 Nov 2005 11:18:33 EST >To: SWITZERLAND-L@rootsweb.com >Subject: [SWITZ] Re: STEIN AM REIN > > > >Hi listers and wjthomasjr, > >Remember that although boat tours are given on the "upper" Rhine (my term > :) >), they could NOT get to Germany on that river end near the town of Stein >am >Rein. > >IF they traveled to the Swiss town Basel - located on the far north border > - >on land, they could perhaps catch a barge. The bigger boats could only and > >can only go half way through Germany, and then it gets too shallow. > >But Basel is on the very northern edge of CH, and headed to the NE >Germany...IF our ancestors came to America from Le Havre (as mine did) they > would in >no way want to travel NE to Basel and then back NW to Le Havre. No reason > >indeed, since there were trains (in my ancestors' era) or roads in earlier >times, >headed NW to France. And remember that the trek to Basel was through the > >mountains. > >It would be VERY unlikely that Swiss members went to Hamburg to emigrate. > Of >course, if they had German relatives whom they wanted to see before they >left > for the New World, or something like that, it was certainly a possibility. > > >Also, my family came from Glarus (SSE), and when I have written to the >ladies at Glarus for information, they said that most Glarus people emigrated > from >Le Havre. (I paid the $50 fee for my families records.) > >Le Havre is spelled the French way, like the good-looking football quarter > >back...re rather than er. > >Hope you enjoy the photos. > > >Nellie, a 68-yr-old root digger >_http://www.militaryindexes.com/worldwartwo/_ >(http://www.militaryindexes.com/worldwartwo/) >WWII index - free for today >_http://www.militaryindexes.com/worldwarone/_ >(http://www.militaryindexes.com/worldwarone/) >WWI - free until 25 Nov 2005 > > >==== SWITZERLAND Mailing List ==== >Going on vacation? Gone longer than 4 days? Go to >http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/CHE/SWITZERLAND.html >to unsubscribe > Erich Trösch Rabenstrasse 7 9008 St. Gallen Tel. 079 339 88 28

Hello William, Thanks for reponding to our dilemna - It is so nice of you to give us input. You wrote:..."to inform you that Elm _IS_ a village in canton Glarus. It's situated in a little valley south east of it." I didn't understand, did you mean that Elm is SE of the town Glarus? Yes, one of the reasons that I wrote directly to Glarus is because there were no records at the LDS library. I think most of us have spent hours at an LDS library here in the states. Do you have access to their records overseas? If not, and you need something, please email me the names, etc, because I am 5 miles from a library here in the state of Texas. I will be glad to check for you there. Nellie, a 68-yr-old root digger _http://www.militaryindexes.com/worldwartwo/_ (http://www.militaryindexes.com/worldwartwo/) WWII index - free for today _http://www.militaryindexes.com/worldwarone/_ (http://www.militaryindexes.com/worldwarone/) WWI - free until 25 Nov 2005

There are language guides and query letters in many languages at http://www.familysearch.org/Eng/Library/Education/frameset_education.asp?PAGE=education_publications.asp ----- Original Message ----- From: <Posnsrch@aol.com> To: <SWITZERLAND-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, November 22, 2005 12:44 PM Subject: [SWITZ] Re: Record Help-finding Swiss records > > Hi to Barbara and a number of other listers, > > I hope that I was not misleading when I stated that "I got my full family > genealogy - back to 1600 - for $50." But I did. I did send extra money > for > their children's nursery as a thank you, and promised to send the ship > information when I found it, to add to their history. > > Now, THIS MAY NOT WORK FOR YOU IN YOUR CANTON. > > To tell my story: my great grandfather and his family were born and raised > in small towns in the very teen canton of GLARUS (maybe 20 miles long and > less > than 5 miles wide), nestled in the center of Eastern German-speaking > Switzerland. GLARUS is also the name of the capital city in the canton of > GLARUS. > > I googled GLARUS, GLARUS, on the web, found an address, emailed a query, > and > for $50 the records office would send me all that they had on my family. I > followed their directions and mailed a money order to the suggested > address. > (note: I did this a number of years ago, so if yours are from Glarus, go > ahead > and google for the correct address.) > > NOW, AS FOR MANY OF YOU, your families may NOT have come from the canton > GLARUS. So I would suggest to you that you google YOUR canton, find some > kind of > address (there will be at least one on one of the sites I am sure) and > either write or email to that address. > > All records are kept by each canton. There is no central place (National > Archives) for records that I know of. As far as my experience goes, you > MUST > query the canton that your family is from. And maybe not all cantons will > search > for you... > > It helps a great deal to have the canton AND THE TOWN THAT YOUR FAMILY > CAME > FROM. I don't know as they will do research...mine just sent records. > > All of Switzerland's cantons kept excellent church and state records, and > we > who have roots there are quite lucky that so much is still intact. Whether > your canton has an easy procedure for you to procure your records, is > unknown > by me. > > My query was in both German and English, because I had no idea if they > could > speak English. > > YOUR query may have to be in French or Italian, depending on what part of > Switzerland your ancestors are from. (East spoke German, South Italian, > and West > side speaks French). There is no common "Swiss" language. > > Since you should write your query in both English and another language, > check out the translation free programs that are on the web. (google the > term > "free translations") > > I had used AltaVista but there are a number of better translation > programs > on the web now, so see which one is easiest for you to use. > > I sent my letter in both English and the German translation. (Yes, for you > who speak German or your ancestor's language, I am sure that it was a very > rough translation, and they may have chuckled a little when they read it! > I also > know that citizens of other countries are very tolerant when I at least > try > to speak their language, rather than to be arrogant and expect them to > speak > mine.) > > Hope this helps!! > > > Nellie, a 68-yr-old root digger > _http://www.militaryindexes.com/worldwartwo/_ > (http://www.militaryindexes.com/worldwartwo/) > WWII index - free for today > _http://www.militaryindexes.com/worldwarone/_ > (http://www.militaryindexes.com/worldwarone/) > WWI - free until 25 Nov 2005 > > > ==== SWITZERLAND Mailing List ==== > Resource Site > http://www.rootsweb.com/~chewgw > >

Hi Kathleen, I just read your email again, and wonder: is the village of Elm in the canton of Glarus???? I think that it was part of Lichtenschtein (spelling!). If that is so, then maybe your family was never really headed for New Glarus at all...Just a thought. Nellie, a 68-yr-old root digger _http://www.militaryindexes.com/worldwartwo/_ (http://www.militaryindexes.com/worldwartwo/) WWII index - free for today _http://www.militaryindexes.com/worldwarone/_ (http://www.militaryindexes.com/worldwarone/) WWI - free until 25 Nov 2005

Hi Kathleen, Your family sounds very interesting and you have a lot of nice stories about them. Isn't it fun when they seem so real to us. Yes, some Glarus settlers heading for New Glarus, Wisconsin, did indeed enter America via New Orleans Port. Most came using the East-West canal system from NY - before the railroad was complete. I do not know if your family or families entering via LA came with a group and an agent or not. Check the ship manifest for clues, and you may see a connection. (i.e. many from the same town, perhaps.) And it may always be a mystery to why they did not continue to Wisconsin but rather chose to settle in Louisiana. (Your reasons are very logical...the weather, and a new start). Does the manifest reveal other Hefti family members besides your family? If so, they may have gone on to WI, and you may still have relatives in New Glarus. I DO know that the whole of Canton Glarus (which again is not large) was involved in the lottery, and that there are indeed Hefti (Hefty) families who immigrated to New Glarus. New Glarus was just a town for the Glarus citizens; other Swiss families traveled to America to other towns, farmlands, and cities. Too bad for those family searchers - information is harder to find, and they may not have intermarried with other Swiss families as my ggrandparents did. "Glarus" descendents have it quite lucky! The books that are available on New Glarus history can be found at the New Glarus library or on line at the New Glarus web site. (Which may be of interest to others from CH even if not from Glarus.) Much that I know on this subject has also been carried down through the family. I know that I could not help much...Regards, Nellie, a 68-yr-old root digger _http://www.militaryindexes.com/worldwartwo/_ (http://www.militaryindexes.com/worldwartwo/) WWII index - free for today _http://www.militaryindexes.com/worldwarone/_ (http://www.militaryindexes.com/worldwarone/) WWI - free until 25 Nov 2005

Hi to Barbara and a number of other listers, I hope that I was not misleading when I stated that "I got my full family genealogy - back to 1600 - for $50." But I did. I did send extra money for their children's nursery as a thank you, and promised to send the ship information when I found it, to add to their history. Now, THIS MAY NOT WORK FOR YOU IN YOUR CANTON. To tell my story: my great grandfather and his family were born and raised in small towns in the very teen canton of GLARUS (maybe 20 miles long and less than 5 miles wide), nestled in the center of Eastern German-speaking Switzerland. GLARUS is also the name of the capital city in the canton of GLARUS. I googled GLARUS, GLARUS, on the web, found an address, emailed a query, and for $50 the records office would send me all that they had on my family. I followed their directions and mailed a money order to the suggested address. (note: I did this a number of years ago, so if yours are from Glarus, go ahead and google for the correct address.) NOW, AS FOR MANY OF YOU, your families may NOT have come from the canton GLARUS. So I would suggest to you that you google YOUR canton, find some kind of address (there will be at least one on one of the sites I am sure) and either write or email to that address. All records are kept by each canton. There is no central place (National Archives) for records that I know of. As far as my experience goes, you MUST query the canton that your family is from. And maybe not all cantons will search for you... It helps a great deal to have the canton AND THE TOWN THAT YOUR FAMILY CAME FROM. I don't know as they will do research...mine just sent records. All of Switzerland's cantons kept excellent church and state records, and we who have roots there are quite lucky that so much is still intact. Whether your canton has an easy procedure for you to procure your records, is unknown by me. My query was in both German and English, because I had no idea if they could speak English. YOUR query may have to be in French or Italian, depending on what part of Switzerland your ancestors are from. (East spoke German, South Italian, and West side speaks French). There is no common "Swiss" language. Since you should write your query in both English and another language, check out the translation free programs that are on the web. (google the term "free translations") I had used AltaVista but there are a number of better translation programs on the web now, so see which one is easiest for you to use. I sent my letter in both English and the German translation. (Yes, for you who speak German or your ancestor's language, I am sure that it was a very rough translation, and they may have chuckled a little when they read it! I also know that citizens of other countries are very tolerant when I at least try to speak their language, rather than to be arrogant and expect them to speak mine.) Hope this helps!! Nellie, a 68-yr-old root digger _http://www.militaryindexes.com/worldwartwo/_ (http://www.militaryindexes.com/worldwartwo/) WWII index - free for today _http://www.militaryindexes.com/worldwarone/_ (http://www.militaryindexes.com/worldwarone/) WWI - free until 25 Nov 2005

Hello Jude, Yes, ships many times picked up passengers at Bremen and then traveled down the North Sea to pick up more at Antwerp Belgium. Your ship manifest should state how they came - if they stopped at both ports, or even Le Havre. That is written on the first page of the manifest. You next mention Swiss Cantons. Zurich is both a canton and a city - do you know which they came from?? Aarau is a city in the canton of Aargau...do you know where they actually came from?? You can write to the capitals of the cantons and they may be able to send you some info - for a fee of course. It cost me $50 to get infor from Glarus, the canton where my grgrandfather came from. Then you mention that they may have left from Basel. Yes, they could have walked, taken horse and wagon, or even a train if available, to Basel from their homes...they are not far away. Yes, they could have left from Bremen, coming from the Shelde River, or from Antwerp, Belgium coming from the Weser River, after initially traveling the Rhine River from Basel. Many ships stopped at both ports. Or they could have taken the train. Yes, the American Railroad Officials paid agents to encourage Europeans to emigrate to America, telling them of the lands available right next to the rr, so the farmers could not only move easly to the inner Americas, but could also ship products back and forth on the trains. In Germany, the agents would buy the farmers' homes, pay the bills, buy the tickets, and put the balance of the money in an account at the port, where it would be waiting for the emigrant when he got there. A very safe procedure for the farmer and initiated by a Jewish man who developed Hamburg for safety. I can't remember this man's name (maybe another lister can) but he said that "he became most wealthy from the poorest of emigrants, because he could get many on his ships in small spaces." As far as information concerning the agents and the role that the city Basel played, you could write there, and maybe they would know. Of course, it may be that all the information is in German, which would make it difficult...it may even be that all of the people in the records dept only speak German...I am not familiar with the area at all. (My family went by train to Le Havre in the NW, but far south of Bremen and Hamburg.) And lastly, I am a firm believer in Googling! My searches there is where I have learned most of my history of this area. The lighted screen is easier for me to read than a book would be, and the information is minutes away. Google your cantons, find an address, and that's a good start, if you are done here in America. Hope this helps, Nellie, a 68-yr-old root digger _http://www.militaryindexes.com/worldwartwo/_ (http://www.militaryindexes.com/worldwartwo/) WWII index - free for today _http://www.militaryindexes.com/worldwarone/_ (http://www.militaryindexes.com/worldwarone/) WWI - free until 25 Nov 2005

Hello, Nellie: I wonder if you might have some thoughts about my Swiss ggrandparents' 1864 emigration route. They are included in "Germans to America" (though both are Swiss) as sailing on a ship that is listed as leaving from both Bremen and Antwerp. I know that they are from Cantons Zurich and Aarau, and family tradition has it that Basel figures somewhere in their leaving. Is there any more reason to think they left from Bremen than from Antwerp? Could they easily have taken the river up to Bremen? Could they have taken a train to Antwerp? I did read once that entrepreneurial agents did recruitment of emigres, gathering them together in larger cities and getting them to the boats. I understand that Basel was such a center for emigration. Is there any place to get information on this practice (with maybe some records????). TIA for any thoughts. Cheers, Jude ----- Original Message ----- From: <Posnsrch@aol.com> To: <SWITZERLAND-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, November 21, 2005 5:03 AM Subject: Re: [SWITZ] Emigration: Toll Fees on the River Rhine > > > Hi, none of my relatives left Switzerland via the Rhine, but a relative > recently sent me a photo of STEIN AM REIN , a town located near the beginning of > the Rhine River in the SE part of Switzerland. Still in the German speaking > section of Switzerland, not the Italian speaking. Currently, the river > features excursion rides for tourists at this little town. > > The Rhine begins in Switzerland and flows NORTH out of the mountains down to > the flatlands through Germany and into the North Sea, rather than flowing > south; all along the way - including in Switzerland - there are vineyards along > the river. Hence Rhine Wine. Swiss wine is quite expensive and not usually > exported. > > The river is only a little longer than 800 miles, but only 500 of it is > navigable, because of the high waterfalls and other gorges in Switzerland, before > it hits the plains of Germany. It can only be traveled from Basel, CH to the > North Sea. > > In the 1800's most Swiss, like my ancestors, left the Old World via LeHavre, > France. They walked or rode wagons to the nearest train station, and > traveled via train through France to the coast. I know that doesn't help much > regarding river fees, but this may be of interest. If any of you would like a photo > of the STEIN AM REIN town, email me and I will send it. > > > Nellie, a 68-yr-old root digger > _http://www.militaryindexes.com/worldwartwo/_ > (http://www.militaryindexes.com/worldwartwo/) > WWII index - free for today > _http://www.militaryindexes.com/worldwarone/_ > (http://www.militaryindexes.com/worldwarone/) > WWI - free until 25 Nov 2005 > > > > In a message dated 11/20/2005 5:48:09 P.M. Central Standard Time, > gnlg4nhg@frontiernet.net writes: > > While researching in Germany a number of years ago, a cousin of mine was > told there is a book in which a record was kept of the toll fee paid by > all people traveling on the river from Switzerland to live in what is > now Germany. It was said to cover the period from 1556 to 1750 when > there were large migrations from Switzerland. > > Does anyone know of such a book? Can anyone tell me if there were such > fees? Who would have collected them? Would they be paid to each entity > they passed through on the journey, or maybe only to Switzerland? What > entities were in control of shipping on the Rhine during that time > period? Where would such records have been kept, and where might they be > now? > > Thanks for any help or information anyone can give me! > N. H. Goodman > > > > > > > > ==== SWITZERLAND Mailing List ==== > Going on vacation? Gone longer than 4 days? Go to > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/CHE/SWITZERLAND.html > to unsubscribe >

Hi Monica, I think you thought that I was Charles...Charles just asked me a question about if I knew how his family traveled from Bern to Hamburg, but I had included his query so I probably confused you... Baselland just means Basel Region. Do you have any more information of the TOWN and CANTON that your grandparents came from?? They were in an area where they could have easily also left Europe from Hamburg...If I may ask, how do you know that they left from Le Havre? Do you have a copy of their original ship manifest? That will prove what port they left from, list names of all family members, ages, etc. My Swiss family had a very unusual situation in their tiny canton of Glarus (less than 20 miles long and only a few miles wide). There was a drought and the very teeny canton of Glarus had a lottery to decide which families were going to go to America...no one wanted to go. First, the canton elders assigned 2 men (one is a gr gr uncle of my shirt tail relative of mine who took the photos that I have) to explore America and find land for their people. They did: New Glarus, Wisconsin. So all of the families came in groups that traveled together, had agents who moved with them, and even took them to the Wisconsin town after they arrived here. Answer to your question: No, none of my relatives needed passports. But, again, it was a highly unusual situation, unlike most other emigrant stories. Some one also asked me about getting information from Switzerland. You MUST find out what CANTON your ancestors came from. That is crucial. Each canton takes care of all information (civil and church) from that canton. A canton is similar to a state. Some Cantons speak Italian, others France and still others German. Nellie, a 68-yr-old root digger _http://www.militaryindexes.com/worldwartwo/_ (http://www.militaryindexes.com/worldwartwo/) WWII index - free for today _http://www.militaryindexes.com/worldwarone/_ (http://www.militaryindexes.com/worldwarone/) WWI - free until 25 Nov 2005

Hello Charles, It sounds like you have done a lot of research on your families. None of my families traveled that way (i.e. Switzerland, through Germany to England), so I have really not studied that area. Mine went from the canton Glarus through France always traveling to the NW, and then to Le Havre. Totally different trip. Yours went NE. If you google I am sure that you can get lots of information (a lot more accurate than I could ever give you) about that trip. I do know that there is a section along the river in central Germany - that your ancestors would have seen - that holds the most castles of any area in Europe. They are located on both sides of the river and were there then. I would imagine that the trip from Zurich and Bern was by horse and wagon north down the mountains to Basel, where they could pick up the barge boat that took them down the foothills north to central (flat) Germany where they could get a larger boat. In those days, you probably know that the passenger steam ships were not built yet, so everyone who emigrated left on sailing ships. They should have had a capital "i" next to their names on their ship manifests, because they did not come direct - they came indirect. Meaning that they went to England first. The ships dropped the passengers off on the east side of England and they walked or buggied (depending on their money and the weather) to the west side of England where the large ships departed. It was a dangerous trip; many people died from lack of money, exhaustion, or from murderers. Hull, England was very instrumental in processing the European emigrants. A sail trip would usually take 45 days...unless they hit really bad weather. Of course, once the passenger ships were built (the first from a German designer) they could make it in 14-16 days, weather permitting. Even though my German grandparents came over in a passenger ship, they kept their sails because many times the engines would fall into the sea and they had to rely on sails for the rest of the trip. Mine came from Hamburg Port also, and stopped to pick up more passengers at Le Havre, but their German trip was still considered "direct" same as my Swiss gr grandparents - who earlier came directly from Le Havre. Nellie, a 68-yr-old root digger _http://www.militaryindexes.com/worldwartwo/_ (http://www.militaryindexes.com/worldwartwo/) WWII index - free for today _http://www.militaryindexes.com/worldwarone/_ (http://www.militaryindexes.com/worldwarone/) WWI - free until 25 Nov 2005

Hi listers and wjthomasjr, Remember that although boat tours are given on the "upper" Rhine (my term :) ), they could NOT get to Germany on that river end near the town of Stein am Rein. IF they traveled to the Swiss town Basel - located on the far north border - on land, they could perhaps catch a barge. The bigger boats could only and can only go half way through Germany, and then it gets too shallow. But Basel is on the very northern edge of CH, and headed to the NE Germany...IF our ancestors came to America from Le Havre (as mine did) they would in no way want to travel NE to Basel and then back NW to Le Havre. No reason indeed, since there were trains (in my ancestors' era) or roads in earlier times, headed NW to France. And remember that the trek to Basel was through the mountains. It would be VERY unlikely that Swiss members went to Hamburg to emigrate. Of course, if they had German relatives whom they wanted to see before they left for the New World, or something like that, it was certainly a possibility. Also, my family came from Glarus (SSE), and when I have written to the ladies at Glarus for information, they said that most Glarus people emigrated from Le Havre. (I paid the $50 fee for my families records.) Le Havre is spelled the French way, like the good-looking football quarter back...re rather than er. Hope you enjoy the photos. Nellie, a 68-yr-old root digger _http://www.militaryindexes.com/worldwartwo/_ (http://www.militaryindexes.com/worldwartwo/) WWII index - free for today _http://www.militaryindexes.com/worldwarone/_ (http://www.militaryindexes.com/worldwarone/) WWI - free until 25 Nov 2005

Hi, none of my relatives left Switzerland via the Rhine, but a relative recently sent me a photo of STEIN AM REIN , a town located near the beginning of the Rhine River in the SE part of Switzerland. Still in the German speaking section of Switzerland, not the Italian speaking. Currently, the river features excursion rides for tourists at this little town. The Rhine begins in Switzerland and flows NORTH out of the mountains down to the flatlands through Germany and into the North Sea, rather than flowing south; all along the way - including in Switzerland - there are vineyards along the river. Hence Rhine Wine. Swiss wine is quite expensive and not usually exported. The river is only a little longer than 800 miles, but only 500 of it is navigable, because of the high waterfalls and other gorges in Switzerland, before it hits the plains of Germany. It can only be traveled from Basel, CH to the North Sea. In the 1800's most Swiss, like my ancestors, left the Old World via LeHavre, France. They walked or rode wagons to the nearest train station, and traveled via train through France to the coast. I know that doesn't help much regarding river fees, but this may be of interest. If any of you would like a photo of the STEIN AM REIN town, email me and I will send it. Nellie, a 68-yr-old root digger _http://www.militaryindexes.com/worldwartwo/_ (http://www.militaryindexes.com/worldwartwo/) WWII index - free for today _http://www.militaryindexes.com/worldwarone/_ (http://www.militaryindexes.com/worldwarone/) WWI - free until 25 Nov 2005 In a message dated 11/20/2005 5:48:09 P.M. Central Standard Time, gnlg4nhg@frontiernet.net writes: While researching in Germany a number of years ago, a cousin of mine was told there is a book in which a record was kept of the toll fee paid by all people traveling on the river from Switzerland to live in what is now Germany. It was said to cover the period from 1556 to 1750 when there were large migrations from Switzerland. Does anyone know of such a book? Can anyone tell me if there were such fees? Who would have collected them? Would they be paid to each entity they passed through on the journey, or maybe only to Switzerland? What entities were in control of shipping on the Rhine during that time period? Where would such records have been kept, and where might they be now? Thanks for any help or information anyone can give me! N. H. Goodman

Would it not be the same as in Ireland and Scotland? They used the peat to burn for heat I believe. Kathy -----Original Message----- From: Lola Weber [mailto:hunter1@scattercreek.com] Sent: Sunday, November 20, 2005 4:53 PM To: SWITZERLAND-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [SWITZ] What was peat mining in Thurgau, Switzerland? "Since old ages peat mining at Krähenriet and at the Lauche river." It looks like peat mining is controversial today -- again a simple google search didn't give me a simple answer. Can anyone help? Lola M Weber hunter1@scattercreek.com ==== SWITZERLAND Mailing List ==== Going on vacation? Gone longer than 4 days? Go to http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/CHE/SWITZERLAND.html to unsubscribe

"Since old ages peat mining at Krähenriet and at the Lauche river." It looks like peat mining is controversial today -- again a simple google search didn't give me a simple answer. Can anyone help? Lola M Weber hunter1@scattercreek.com

An article written by Andre' Salatheh' had indicated the above "at Tobel to have taken over control. Under their court rule Zezikon remained until 1798." I have tried to google a simple lookup to understand what the Knights of St John of Jersualem was -- how did they rule? What kind of rulers were they? Appreciate any help. A family searcher, Lola M Weber hunter1@scattercreek.com

Several of my ancestors (Bigler, Birckle and others) went from the area of Bern Switzerland to the areas around Stuttgart Germany and Wissembourg France sometime between 1608 and 1668. While researching in Germany a number of years ago, a cousin of mine was told there is a book in which a record was kept of the toll fee paid by all people traveling on the river from Switzerland to live in what is now Germany. It was said to cover the period from 1556 to 1750 when there were large migrations from Switzerland. Does anyone know of such a book? Can anyone tell me if there were such fees? Who would have collected them? Would they be paid to each entity they passed through on the journey, or maybe only to Switzerland? What entities were in control of shipping on the Rhine during that time period? Where would such records have been kept, and where might they be now? Thanks for any help or information anyone can give me! N. H. Goodman

I would like to obtain a copy of a death certificate of someone who died in UNTERSEEN on 8th June 1911 how do I go about this Jim Isard