It is with deep regret that I place this unfortunate announcement on the List. Today I received a standard letter from Staatsarchiv, Bern with the names of two researchers that might help in my research. However, by Mr. Wehrli's name was the "cross" and the note that he had died in October. I am sure that many on the List knew Mr. Wehrli and/or waiting for a reply from him. Roy

Hi Listers, I tried to post a message a couple of days ago but had some computer problems, so don`t know if my message was posted or not. The only sure thing is that I didn`t see it on the list & I have had no response. My ggggrandfather had his occupation listed as " LANDAMMAN". Could someone please explain what this means. I am told that it is a Swiss term, because it doesn`t appear to exist in Germany. Thanks Nick.

Hello All ! The old handwriting is quite difficult to read, isn't it ? The orthography in the old times was not fixed and so it is sometimes difficult to read words. The 'y' letter is called 'why' in english but it is called 'greak i' in french. That explains the origin of this strange letter. In the past it was used as an equivalent of the 'i'. But as it looks more elaborated in the handwriting it replaced the 'i' mostly in the endings. So do not wonder there's a dot over it. In some signatures of my ancesters some have an 'i', some a 'y with one dot' and some a 'y with two dots' and all this signatures are on the same document ! Guillaume - Mulhouse ----- Message d'origine ----- De : Bud Konrad À : SWITZERLAND-L@rootsweb.com Envoyé : vendredi 5 novembre 1999 22:40 Objet : [SWITZ] Script Letters There is a script letter that I don't understand, and thought that someone on the List may be able to help me. One of the names that I am researching is Fleury, or at least that is how it was spelled in US records. Looking fot cases in Switzerland, I found it spelled both Flury, and Fluri. When I finally got to the proper church records of baptism, it is spelled as Flur- and the last hand written letter is a script "y", with a single dot over the letter, much like an unlauted letter, but with a single dot. In looking through the church books, I see that every word ending in y, has a dot over it. Does anyone know it this is really a "y", or an "i"? Bud Konrad ==== SWITZERLAND Mailing List ==== Going on vacation? Gone longer than 4 days? mail to Switzerland-L-request@rootsweb.com subject line: unsubscribe nothing in message

Nick, the term LANDAMMANN is traditionally used in eleven cantons (among them Uri, Obwalden, Unterwalden, Schwyz, Appenzell, Glarus, Zug, Solothurn, St. Gallen and Aargau) for the function of the president of the cantonal government. In the canton of Graub�nden (Grisons) the Landammann is the president of the district court and the district council. In the alpine town of Davos the Landammann is the mayor. Regards Peter W. Frey CH-5212 Hausen Switzerland

Is anyone familiar with the following publications: "Family Tree of Juon von Grusch" "A Contribution to the Juon Family History" 1996 by Luizi Nett I am wondering if these are printed in German (or English) and if anyone knows if they are for sale and where? Thank you! Pat Juon

There is a script letter that I don't understand, and thought that someone on the List may be able to help me. One of the names that I am researching is Fleury, or at least that is how it was spelled in US records. Looking fot cases in Switzerland, I found it spelled both Flury, and Fluri. When I finally got to the proper church records of baptism, it is spelled as Flur- and the last hand written letter is a script "y", with a single dot over the letter, much like an unlauted letter, but with a single dot. In looking through the church books, I see that every word ending in y, has a dot over it. Does anyone know it this is really a "y", or an "i"? Bud Konrad

Mike Bozovich wrote: > Hello, > > I'm new to the list and wonder how I would go about contacting someone to > look up records on a particular surname in a particular church in > Switzerland. Specifically, I am interested in the Catholic Church, Mels, > SG. > > Thanks, > Mike Bozovich > > ==== SWITZERLAND Mailing List ==== > Support RootsWeb! Help provide FREE genealogical resources on the > Internet: http://www.rootsweb.com/rootsweb/how-to-subscribe.html ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~<><><><><>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Mike, There's a St. Mel's Catholic Church in Fair Oaks, CA! (which is about five miles from where I live). I know this will be of little or no help to you, but I thought you might find it interesting. I have often wondered from where the name came, perhaps it is somehow connected, i.e., sister church, etc. Anyway, if I say much more I will display my ignorance about the Catholic religion. <smile> Regards, Mel Schwartz <schwartz@jps.net> Orangevale, CA Researching the names of SCHWARTZ, BAUMGARTNER, HENDRICKS, TERRY, EVANS, and DAGGY. Also researching the Hawaiian names of BELL, TODD, LEWIS, KALEIMAMAHU, KIHEI, KIPIKANE, and KUMANO. See our "home page" at http://www.jps.net/schwartz/

Word of caution.....the weblinks to the LDS FHL Catalog which I include below got cut apart in the Rootsweb e-mail program. You will need to copy and paste each line end to end into your address field of your webbrowser if you want to use them. For example, between http://www.familysearch.org/fhlc and 999&columns=*,180,0 should all be on one line. But if you just start with SwissGen's LDS Locality listing, then just follow my wording on how to get through all the LDS FHL webpages. TTYL, Dave -----Original Message----- From: dschmutz@es.com [mailto:dschmutz@es.com] Sent: Friday, November 05, 1999 12:02 AM To: SWITZERLAND-L@rootsweb.com Subject: RE: [SWITZ] Catholic Church records Dear Mike: The short answer is you can do it yourself at your local FHC. How did I know that? Go to SwissGen's listing of cantons http://swiss.genealogy.net/ldsloc-m.htm that link to the LDS FHL Catalog listing for villages in each canton. So for SG, I obtain the list of all villages that have "some sort of info" listed in the LDS FHL Catalog: http://www.familysearch.org/fhlc/supermainframeset.asp?display=localityrelat ed&subject=161217&first=1&last=999&columns=*,180,0 I perused the list to find Mels. Wow, it is there. Hallelujah!!! (not all villages have had their parish records filmed, especially Catholic) Click on the Switzerland, Sankt Gallen, Mels link [web address removed] Click again on Topics: Switzerland, Sankt Gallen, Mels - Church records [web address removed] Click again on Titles: Kirchenbuch, 1639-1927 , Katholische Kirche Mels (Sankt Gallen) Good.....Kirchenbuch = Church book (parish registers), from 1639 all the way until 1927 for the Katholische = Catholic Church in St. Gallen. Click on Kirchenbuch, 1639-1927 [web address removed] to see the Title details: 4 microfilms, filmed in 1973, Parish register transcripts of baptisms, marriages, deaths, etc. - the original is in Stadtarchiv Sankt Gallen. Click on the little greay box toward the top named: View Film Notes to find out what dates are contained on each film. Now you get to learn German hand-written script. Don't have too much fun, Dave Schmutz -----Original Message----- From: Mike Bozovich [mailto:mkb@ezl.com] Sent: Thursday, November 04, 1999 8:24 PM To: SWITZERLAND-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [SWITZ] Catholic Church records Hello, I'm new to the list and wonder how I would go about contacting someone to look up records on a particular surname in a particular church in Switzerland. Specifically, I am interested in the Catholic Church, Mels, SG. Thanks, Mike Bozovich

Dear Mike: The short answer is you can do it yourself at your local FHC. How did I know that? Go to SwissGen's listing of cantons http://swiss.genealogy.net/ldsloc-m.htm that link to the LDS FHL Catalog listing for villages in each canton. So for SG, I obtain the list of all villages that have "some sort of info" listed in the LDS FHL Catalog: http://www.familysearch.org/fhlc/supermainframeset.asp?display=localityrelat ed&subject=161217&first=1&last=999&columns=*,180,0 I perused the list to find Mels. Wow, it is there. Hallelujah!!! (not all villages have had their parish records filmed, especially Catholic) Click on the Switzerland, Sankt Gallen, Mels link http://www.familysearch.org/fhlc/supermainframeset.asp?display=localitydetai ls&subject=161286&subject_disp=Switzerland,_Sankt_Gallen,_Mels&columns=*,180 ,0 Click again on Topics: Switzerland, Sankt Gallen, Mels - Church records http://www.familysearch.org/fhlc/supermainframeset.asp?display=topicdetails& subject=490673&subject_disp=Switzerland,_Sankt_Gallen,_Mels_-_Church_records &columns=*,180,0 Click again on Titles: Kirchenbuch, 1639-1927 , Katholische Kirche Mels (Sankt Gallen) Good.....Kirchenbuch = Church book (parish registers), from 1639 all the way until 1927 for the Katholische = Catholic Church in St. Gallen. Click on Kirchenbuch, 1639-1927 http://www.familysearch.org/fhlc/supermainframeset.asp?display=topicdetails& subject=490673&subject_disp=Switzerland,_Sankt_Gallen,_Mels_-_Church_records &columns=*,180,0 to see the Title details: 4 microfilms, filmed in 1973, Parish register transcripts of baptisms, marriages, deaths, etc. - the original is in Stadtarchiv Sankt Gallen. Click on the little greay box toward the top named: View Film Notes to find out what dates are contained on each film. Now you get to learn German hand-written script. Don't have too much fun, Dave Schmutz -----Original Message----- From: Mike Bozovich [mailto:mkb@ezl.com] Sent: Thursday, November 04, 1999 8:24 PM To: SWITZERLAND-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [SWITZ] Catholic Church records Hello, I'm new to the list and wonder how I would go about contacting someone to look up records on a particular surname in a particular church in Switzerland. Specifically, I am interested in the Catholic Church, Mels, SG. Thanks, Mike Bozovich

Hello, I'm new to the list and wonder how I would go about contacting someone to look up records on a particular surname in a particular church in Switzerland. Specifically, I am interested in the Catholic Church, Mels, SG. Thanks, Mike Bozovich

Thanks for all the help locating the village and the other important information that was shared. I think this is the right village because the Staudemann family line shows up in the Guggisberg church records. Since I just received the information I haven't looked into the maternal(Zwahlen) side of the family. Thank to everyone for the help! Joan

Does anyone have any information on the Zugenbuhler family? My grandmother was Pauline Zugenbuhler, her sister was Ida Zugenbuhler, any info would be appreciated, thank you! Karen Velez (KVelez3482@aol.com)

Joan, Kalchst�tten (or Kalchstaetten) is part (a hamlet) of the village of Guggisberg in the canton of Bern.Today's phone book lists eight private households in Kalchst�tten. Both Staudenmann and Zwahlen are listed as having held citizenship's rights before 1800 in Guggisberg. The same two names also are listed as orginating from R�eschegg and Wahlern, two villages nearby. Best regards Peter

Hi List members, Hope someone can help! Just found out the area or town of my STAUDENMANN line from the Gemeinde. It reads sohn des Staudenmann, Jakob und der Anna geb. Zwahlen, vom Zubenacker zu Kalchstetten. In other records it just mentions Kalchstetten. Can anyone tell me where Kalchstetten is located (also Zubenacker). I have tried several of the map sites but could not find the location. Appreciate any information. Thanks. Joan

I am new to this list, thus wanted to post my many Swiss family lines and the Canton/Village of birth. Please feel free to contact me is you think there might be a connection - I have a bit more information. All eventually resided in Monroe (Green County), Wisconsin. Thanks Born in Thierachem, Canton Bern: WENGER, John, b. abt 1800 d. Oct 11,1883- emigrated w/ 7 or 8 kids. Langenbruck, Canton Basel-Land: DETTWILER, Jacob, b.Mar 30, 1830 d. Feb 22, 1911. Parents were Heinrcih and Anna Marie (JENNI) Dettwiler and do not think they emigrated. Schwanden, Canton Glarus: KUNDERT, Katherina b. Jan 23/25, 1832 d.. Oct 5, 1917. Brother was Jacob who also emigrated to New Glarus, Green County, Wi. Matt or Elm, Canton Glarus: KUBLI, Heinrich b. Jan 25, 1835 d. Apr 4, 1904. His brothers Dietrich and Abraham also emigrated to Green County Wi. Parents were Vincent and Barbara (STAUFFACHER) Kubli. STAUFFACHER, Jacob (not sure whether related to the above) b. Jan 19, 1817 d. Mar 29, 1877. My uncle thought this family was from Matt. He married in SW Elizabeth SPEICH b. abt 1820 d. Nov 17, 1874. Thank you, Julie

The summary of the responses as to pronunication of the surname ROTH was very interesting. I have wondered about the pronunciation of the surname ROTHE, which a family of interest used after coming to the U.S. Would their surname likely have been ROTH in Switzerland or Germany, or would ROTHE have been an Americanization of a different German surname? Would ROTHE also have been pronounced "wrote", or would the final "e" have changed the pronunciation? Thanks in advance for your help. Raye Ann Gaskins rgaskins@teleport.com

You created a clickable URL just by typing it. Did you notice what happend when you read your message back? The URL turned blue and is clickable. Anne Bucher Bowie Researching: Buchers in Niederweningen, Switzerland

Geneva, Switzerland, 3 November 1999-11-03 Hello Everyone, Just wish that more people in the genealogy fields and doing work in the field would do more pre-planning and research before they do research! SMILE Sincerely yours, Jacques de Guise, Director CEG / CGR / EIG Cabinet d'Etudes Genealogiques Center for Genealogical Research Estudio de Investigaciones Genealogicas Geneve - Geneva - Ginebra Suisse / Switzerland / Suiza E-mail: cgr@genealogyrsch.com genrsch@gve.ch genrsch@canada.com -----Original Message----- From: Outriggger@aol.com [SMTP:Outriggger@aol.com] Sent: 3. novembre 1999 21:58 To: SWITZERLAND-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [SWITZ] Switzerland trip a success Friends, Trips like this show the extreme value of pre-planning. Pete Mattli <outriggger@aol.com> Ft. Myers, FL >---------- Subj: [SWITZ] Switzerland trip a success Date: 11/03/1999 2:19:59 PM Eastern Standard Time From: donlyn@magick.net (Don Stellman) To: SWITZERLAND-L@rootsweb.com Due to the help we received from the SWITZERLAND-L list members, our genealogy trip to Switzerland was a huge success. We were greeted at the Zurich airport by Peter a SWITZERLAND-L list member who had previously taken the time to find our grandfather's (Daniel Thomann) birth record at the Registrar's Office in Baden, Canton Aargau. He took us there to get a copy of the record. He had made arrangements to get the keys to the church where our grandfather was baptized. He spent two days taking us around Baden and to Steinenbuhl where our great grandfather had a restaurant that is still in use. He had arranged for us to meet a cousin there (we did not know we had living relations in Switzerland), and we all had lunch together. Our cousin's grandfather and our grandfather were brothers. Our cousin gave us a large genealogy chart of all of our relations in Switzerland going back to the 1600s. The Swiss part of our family had lost contact with my grandfather and his sister after they emigrated to America so we are getting together a large chart with USA Thomans (the second "n" in Thomann was dropped after coming to America). The birth registration determined where in Switzerland our Thomanns held citizenship. It was in Brienz, Canton Bern, over 100 miles south of the Baden area! This was in 1809 and they floated the River Aare all of the way to the Baden area with their personal possessions and their animals. We met our cousin in Brienz. He and his wife took us out to lunch, and then we went for dessert at the home of the last Thomann to live in Brienz. After leaving Brienz, we met with a researcher in Bern. By that time we had already been given so much Thomann information that we only looked at a couple of things with him at the archives. I am glad we did though because it made us realize how impossible it would have been for the two of us by ourselves to get any information from the old records. We could not even read the Thomann name in the old script after he pointed it out to us. (Pete from Florida had highly recommended we contact a researcher before we left home, thanks Pete). Margaret and several other people from the list gave us suggestions or information that helped to make our trip a success! Thank you all. Lynda Stellman ==== SWITZERLAND Mailing List ==== Swiss Resource Site http://swiss.genealogy.net

Due to the help we received from the SWITZERLAND-L list members, our genealogy trip to Switzerland was a huge success. We were greeted at the Zurich airport by Peter a SWITZERLAND-L list member who had previously taken the time to find our grandfather's (Daniel Thomann) birth record at the Registrar's Office in Baden, Canton Aargau. He took us there to get a copy of the record. He had made arrangements to get the keys to the church where our grandfather was baptized. He spent two days taking us around Baden and to Steinenbuhl where our great grandfather had a restaurant that is still in use. He had arranged for us to meet a cousin there (we did not know we had living relations in Switzerland), and we all had lunch together. Our cousin's grandfather and our grandfather were brothers. Our cousin gave us a large genealogy chart of all of our relations in Switzerland going back to the 1600s. The Swiss part of our family had lost contact with my grandfather and his sister after they emigrated to America so we are getting together a large chart with USA Thomans (the second "n" in Thomann was dropped after coming to America). The birth registration determined where in Switzerland our Thomanns held citizenship. It was in Brienz, Canton Bern, over 100 miles south of the Baden area! This was in 1809 and they floated the River Aare all of the way to the Baden area with their personal possessions and their animals. We met our cousin in Brienz. He and his wife took us out to lunch, and then we went for dessert at the home of the last Thomann to live in Brienz. After leaving Brienz, we met with a researcher in Bern. By that time we had already been given so much Thomann information that we only looked at a couple of things with him at the archives. I am glad we did though because it made us realize how impossible it would have been for the two of us by ourselves to get any information from the old records. We could not even read the Thomann name in the old script after he pointed it out to us. (Pete from Florida had highly recommended we contact a researcher before we left home, thanks Pete). Margaret and several other people from the list gave us suggestions or information that helped to make our trip a success! Thank you all. Lynda Stellman

Friends, Trips like this show the extreme value of pre-planning. Pete Mattli <outriggger@aol.com> Ft. Myers, FL >---------- Subj: [SWITZ] Switzerland trip a success Date: 11/03/1999 2:19:59 PM Eastern Standard Time From: donlyn@magick.net (Don Stellman) To: SWITZERLAND-L@rootsweb.com Due to the help we received from the SWITZERLAND-L list members, our genealogy trip to Switzerland was a huge success. We were greeted at the Zurich airport by Peter a SWITZERLAND-L list member who had previously taken the time to find our grandfather's (Daniel Thomann) birth record at the Registrar's Office in Baden, Canton Aargau. He took us there to get a copy of the record. He had made arrangements to get the keys to the church where our grandfather was baptized. He spent two days taking us around Baden and to Steinenbuhl where our great grandfather had a restaurant that is still in use. He had arranged for us to meet a cousin there (we did not know we had living relations in Switzerland), and we all had lunch together. Our cousin's grandfather and our grandfather were brothers. Our cousin gave us a large genealogy chart of all of our relations in Switzerland going back to the 1600s. The Swiss part of our family had lost contact with my grandfather and his sister after they emigrated to America so we are getting together a large chart with USA Thomans (the second "n" in Thomann was dropped after coming to America). The birth registration determined where in Switzerland our Thomanns held citizenship. It was in Brienz, Canton Bern, over 100 miles south of the Baden area! This was in 1809 and they floated the River Aare all of the way to the Baden area with their personal possessions and their animals. We met our cousin in Brienz. He and his wife took us out to lunch, and then we went for dessert at the home of the last Thomann to live in Brienz. After leaving Brienz, we met with a researcher in Bern. By that time we had already been given so much Thomann information that we only looked at a couple of things with him at the archives. I am glad we did though because it made us realize how impossible it would have been for the two of us by ourselves to get any information from the old records. We could not even read the Thomann name in the old script after he pointed it out to us. (Pete from Florida had highly recommended we contact a researcher before we left home, thanks Pete). Margaret and several other people from the list gave us suggestions or information that helped to make our trip a success! Thank you all. Lynda Stellman