Uldrich WINEKER(WINEG) was born 1668 in Zurich. Does anyone know of his parents? Claudia Day wizzzaerd@aol.com

"KOHLER" Porrentury, CH-2900, received letter from "Fondation des Archives de l'ancien Eveche de Bale", they gave me two addresses to acquire data. #1 Office du patrimoine historique, Hotel des Halles, CH 2900 Porrentury. #2. Secretariat communal, CH 2747 Seehof. Question: does anyone know what maybe found at these two sources.? Anyone from Porrentury, Switzerland. PLEASE ANSWER. e-mail to: > Gene KOHLER: >> SKARBO@aol.com

I received an e-mail from someone who wrote about a John Flick coming to NY. I was reading it and all of a sudden it disappeared. PLEASE, would the person who wrote this send it again? Thank you. Connie

Hello list members In response to the worm virus running rampant. There is a free download of an Anti Virus Software, made to protect your computers. The site is http://www.cai.com/ My husband downloaded it and so far it seems to be working. Please pass on this information to whomever can benefit from it. Most Sincerely Peggy in OH

Hello, I am looking for information on Ernst AMMANN, from Roggwil, Canton Bern, Switzerland. He was born on April, 11th 1882, the fith of eleven children. His parents were Friedrich AMMANN and Rosina MEIER from Roggwil. Family lore says he went to America. I have further information on the part of his family which stayed in Switzerland and on his ancestors, if somebody is interested. Thanks in advance for any help Regula -- Regula Nebel Reinach BL, Switzerland

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Looking for information concerning this family and its history, possibly in Switzerland before Alsace. They went to USA to Stark (and some to other counties in OH like Carroll Co.). Our branch left OH & went to southeast MO to New Hamburg in Scott Co. They probably traveled down the Ohio River and then up the Mississippi River. Descendants still reside in the area. Happy New Years Francine Conn Halter === Descendants of Ludwig/Louis Halter 1 Ludwig/Louis Halter b: Bet. 1765 - 1775 in Schirrhein, Alsace, France (originally Switzerland?) d: Aft. 1850 in New Hamburg, Scott Co., MO (probably) .. +Madeline Royer b: Abt. 1769 in Germany/France/Switzerland m: March 12, 1796 in Schirrhofen, Alsace, France d: Aft. 1850 in probably New Hamburg, Scott Co., MO ......2 Benedict Halter ...... +Caroline S. Lawrence Bucher ......2 Joseph Halter b: January 23, 1797 in Schirrhoffen, Bas-Rhin, Alsace- Lorraine, France d: April 1855 in St. Mary's, Morges, Sandy Township, Stark Co., OH (buried) ............+Maria Anna Lang b: March 31, 1799 in Germany/France m: January 31, 1828 in Schirrhoffen, Alsace, France d: August 19, 1862 in Morges, Stark Co., OH (buried) ......2 Elizabeth Halter b: 1798 in Alsace-Lorraine, France d: June 02, 1872 in Scott Co., MO ............+Joseph Stuppe b: 1806 m: December 18, 1835 in Stark Co., OH d: March 24, 1871 ..... 2 Marie Anne Magdalena Halter b: October 29, 1801 in Schirrhoffen, Bas- Rhin, Alsace, France d: August 12, 1881 in St. Lawrence Cem., New Hamburg, Scott Co., MO +Wendolin Bucher b: October 02, 1792 in Scheithal, Bas-Rhin, Alsace, France or Heiserburg, Germany m: September 10, 1822 in St. Nicolas Catholic Church, Schirrhein, Bas-Rhin, Alsace-Lorraine, France d: May 06, 1861 in St. Lawrence Cem., New Hamburg, Scott Co., MO .... 2 Lawrence Halter b: 1803 in Alsace-Lorraine, France d: 1886 in St. Peter Cem., Canton, Stark Co., OH ............+Rosina Zircher ..... 2 Christian Halter b: 1807 in Germany (per 1860 census) d: 1852 in St. Lawrence Cem., New Hamburg, Scott Co., MO ............+Mary "Nancy" Schott b: 1811 in Germany ............*2nd Wife of Christian Halter: .............+Margaret Kies ..... 2 Mathias Halter b: January 15, 1807 in Germany (per 1850 census), France (per 1860 census) d: April 10, 1873 in St. Lawrence Cemetery, New Hamburg, Scott Co., MO (buried) ............+Theresa Mary Marz/Morz b: 1812 in Germany (1850), France (1860) m: in Alsace, France? Ohio? d: February 15, 1865 in New Hamburg, Scott Co., MO ..... 2 Michael Halter b: 1810 ..... 2 Christopher Halter b: 1816 in Germany d: in Missouri (not MO) ..... +Nancy Saylor b: 1813 in Pennsylvania m: 1848 in Scott Co., MO ..... 2 Catharina Halter b: January 21, 1817 in Alsace-Lorraine, France ..... +Anthony Fuchs

Kjell, Eidg. dipl. Wirtschaftsinf. stands for Eidgenoschische Diplom Wirtschaftsinformatiker, which means he is Business/Economics computer expert who earned his degree in Switzerland. Eidgenossen means literally "oath swearers" which is a description the Swiss use for themselves and goes back to an oath the inner Cantons swore in 1291 to support one another in gaining their independance from Austria. Diplom is like a degree. Wirtschaft Business or Economics and Informatiker is computer expert. I don't know enough about computers to say for certain what type of computer expert, but I would guess programmer. Jon

The exact wording is "Eidgen�ssisch diplomierter Wirtschaftsinformatiker" M. K�nzle

Hi All, I'm looking for information about my father's family or leads to where I might find more information. This is what my uncle's family history says about the earliest days of the Staubach's. "Historically, the family name had been 'Von Staubbach,' but in time the 'Von,' which meant 'from,' was discontinued. There is an interesting folk-tale concerning the family. It seems that in some ancient archives there is a record of a family coat-of-arms and a title of nobility. With this there was a very large estate of considerable land holdings. At that time one of our early ancestors had two sons. In accordance with existing custom, the oldest son was destined to inherit both the title and property." "For some unknown reason, the younger of the two sons decided to enter a Catholic monastery, leaving his older brother to manage the aging father's estate and business. Again for unexplained reasons, the older brother changed the spelling of his family name to 'Staubach,' dropping the 'Von' and also the extra 'b' in the original name. His father maintained the old form on all the legal and business transactions-including a will he had made." "Upon the death of the father, the courts were about to transfer the Staubbach estate and the title to the older son, when an attorney for the Catholic monastery pointed out that according to the will, only a 'Von Staubbach' was legally entitled to receive the legacy. Since the older brother no longer called himself a 'Von Staubbach,' the entire estate, together with the title, became the rightful property of the Church, in the name of the younger brother, who was a monk." "After that event, the original family descendants left Switzerland for Germany, Austria, and Hungary-later even to the U.S. Available records show that our grandfather's family moved from Switzerland to Hungary." A transcription from a family bible shows that my great-grandfather Josef Staubach (who is the ancestor who moved from Switzerland to Hungary) was born August 20th, 1829 in Vemend Baronjer Comitat. (I have been unable to locate this town on any map) Josef, according to his son, my grandfather, was forced to flee Switzerland as a young man, along with his parents, because of a revolution in Switzerland. Josef also lost his left arm at the elbow, in this revolution. A lot of this information fits with the history of Switzerland. The Swiss Civil War was, in part, a religious War, pitting Catholics, and the older Cantons, against the Protestants. Since the Staubach family was originally Catholic, and the Catholic side lost the War, it follows that the losers would have to leave the country. I am very aware of the Staubbach Falls, having visited the location when I was in the Army stationed in Germany. Have been unable to find a connection between the family name and the Falls. I am also fairly sure that no Staubachs or Von Staubbachs still live in Switzerland, having searched through the phone books for every town, city, etc in Switzerland in the U.S. State Department records in Washington, D.C. This is all I know about the Staubach family in Switzerland. It is an interesting story but my children and I would like to know more. Some of this may well be just old legends but with all the resources available on the Internet these days, I am sure it is possible to learn more about the family history, town of origin, coat-of-arms, earlier ancestors, their participation in the Revolution, etc. I will greatly appreciate any leads or ideas about who to contact or where to look. Thanks for reading all this. Jim Staubach, Bradenton, Florida

Hi, I have recently joined the Switzerland mailing list. I am looking for information on John Gottfined Vollenweider born October 22, 1842 in Aarsburg Switzerland Died June 14, 1917 in Hitchcoch,South Dakota. All information or how I can find information would be greatly appreciated. Thank You, Vicki Showell Omaha, NE. USA

I believe the New Year is telling me to quit searching. 20 years and nothing!!! So this will be my last update: FLICK, John born app. 1799 and Maryann/Marion born app. 1806. 5 of their children were born in Switzerland: John, Jr. 1826, Anthony 1827, Peter, 1830, MaryAnn, 1831 and Elizabeth, Feb. 2, 1834. Please, if anyone has any info for me, anything at all, please send it to me. Merry Christmas and Happy New Year.

Hi List, What is the difference between a noble family in Switzerland with a title to a noble family without a title? Comments are appreciated. robert piepint@nbtx.com

Hi all, If you have ancestors with connections to Green Co WI (especially New Glarus, Monroe, Monticello) check the obits on the Green Co obit page at http://cgi.rootsweb.com/~genbbs/genbbs.cgi/USA/Wi/GreenObits Over 170 obits posted this past week. More being entered daily. Happy hunting. -- Cathy :o)

Hard question to answer, but I trust experience: The LDS film of Lausen, Basel has the first 12 pages missing. Does anyone know if they exist anyplace? Ed

> Von: Rolandmail@aol.com[SMTP:Rolandmail@aol.com] > Gesendet: Freitag, 17. Dezember 1999 20:31 > An: SWITZERLAND-L@rootsweb.com > Betreff: [SWITZ] Swiss Mennonite sources > > Two requests, please: > > Does anyone have copies or an index of the Journal of the Swiss Society > for > Mennonite History? Is it available in English? If so, would there be > copies > available anywhere in the Metro Washington, DC area? > > Can anyone advise me how to get in touch with the Societé Swisse > Mennonite? > Don't know whether this is the society you're looking for - but they should know about it : Mennonite Central Comitee Grand-Rue 114 2720 Tramelan Tel. 032 487 57 56 Fax 032 487 53 35 Best regards - Wolf > Many thanks for helping if you can. > > David Roland > Reston, Virginia >

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Dear readers, In the swiss telephone directory at tel.search.ch a person is listed as being an "eidg. dipl. Wirtschaftsinf". I can understand the individual words but cannot make out what this would translate to in English. If somebody has an answer, I would love to know. Kjell Ove Hattrem

Donna, the town you need is almost certainly Aarau, with two a's at the start, which is in Canton Aagau. This names in turn are related to the river Aare, which flows through Canton Aagau and into the Rhein at Koblenz in Switzerland, which is about 3 miles from my home. Jon in Ettikon

Robert, There are several publications you may want to check. These are from Mario von Moos' "Bibliography of Swiss Genealogies", Picton Press (1993). de Graffenried, Thomas Pritchett: History of the Graffenried [von Bern] family from 1191 a.d. to 1925. New York 1925 - 282 p. (in der Schweizerischen Landesbibliothek) de Graffenried, Thomas Pritchett: The de Graffenried [von Bern] name in Literature. New York 1950 - 32 p. (in der Schweizerischen Bibliothek) de Graffenried, Thomas Pritchett: The Graffenried [von Bern] family scrap book. 1191-1956, seven hundred and sixty five years. Charlottesville, Virginia 1958 - 271 p. (in der Schweizerischen Bibliothek) von Graffenried, Eric: Vom Herkommen and Wesen des Geschlechts von Graffenried [von Bern]. Bern 1972 - 21 Bl. (in der Burgerbibliothek Bern) von Graffenried, Helmut: Geschichte der Familienkiste Graffenried [von Bern], 1723-1973. Zum 250. Jahrestag ... Bern 1973 - 82 S. (in der Burgerbibliothek Bern) I have not checked to see where else these publications are available. Most of Graffenrieds were living in the city of Bern in 1798. Note that the spelling is Graffenried. ^^ Lyle G. Hartman Landenberg, Pennsylvania <LGHART@ix.netcom.com>