Dear Julie, in the meantime I have followed this subject up - and have to report some additional data, and a correction. Amongst other things I have contacted the "Swiss Guard" http://www.vatican.va/roman_curia/swiss_guard/ directly, and received a nice response from Major Hasler - I summarize : the Guard was founded in 1506 (under Pope Julius II), and has always been named "Cohors Helvetica", which implies a smaller group than "Legio" - consequently the original requestor will better look for another "Legio" :-(. Due to all sorts of events, full lists of all members are available from 1824 onwards only, with some lists dating back to 1772 - so if one is looking for a member in 1748, there wouldn't be any data available. In case someone else wants to have these lists checked : you should have good reasons to ask for information (which I would interpret as either close relationship, or serious historical research) when writing to the Swiss Guard (address on the above web page); you should include surname, first name, place of citizenship and preferrably date of birth. In other words, they don't have time to search whether a so far unknown ancestor of yours is on their lists - you already have to have details to get further information on his carreer with the Swiss Guard. Further lists might be available at : - Archivio di Stato di Roma, Corso del Rinascimento 40, 00186 Roma, Italy, or - Staatsarchiv Luzern (http://www.staluzern.ch/) Now - where else should one look for Legio Helvetica ? As has been mentioned by others - thousands of Swiss had been serving in foreign armies (officially until 1848 - inofficially, but to a much smaller extent, also afterwards). The ones mentioned in "Historisch-biographisches Lexikon der Schweiz" were founded after 1798, however - no use in this case (1748). I hope this clarifies the situation a bit, and wish good luck with the further research : would be interested to hear about any positive finding ;-) ! Best regards - Wolf ---------------------- Wolf W. Seelentag, PhD, e-mail : wolf@swissmail.com Reherstr. 19, CH - 9016 St. Gallen, Switzerland Tel (home) : +41-71-2885121 Fax : +49-89-2443-91987 Tel (work) : +41-71-4942233 > ---------- > Von: Seelentag Wolfhart Dr. KSSG_RO > Gesendet: Dienstag, 25. Januar 2000 10:20 > An: SWITZERLAND-L@rootsweb.com; 'Julie Sass' > Betreff: AW: [SWITZ] Legio Helvetica > > The translation into German would be "Schweizer Garde" - which is the > German name of the Pope's "bodyguards" in the Vatican : mainly > representative nowadays, but well known soldiers in earlier centuries. > Check > http://www.datacomm.ch/awicky/gsp/index.html > (sorry - in German only). I would consider this the most likely > explanation, though I cannot exclude for sure that some other Swiss > regiment (and there were lots of them) could also be meant. > > ---------- > Von: Julie Sass[SMTP:sassy1@mindspring.com] > Gesendet: Montag, 24. Januar 2000 13:11 > An: SWITZERLAND-L@rootsweb.com > Betreff: [SWITZ] Legio Helvetica > .......... > << 1748, across a "former soldier" of the "Legio Helvetica". > Has anybody any idea what kind of soldiery this "Legio" was? >> ..........

Dear Schneit(t)er researchers: I have added the Schneitter data from FNBS 89 to SSD. Please visit: http://iseli.simplenet.com/ch-names/ to obtain the new data. For more information about SwissGen's Swiss Surname Directory (SSD) please take a look at: http://swiss.genealogy.net/surnam-m.htm Thanks, Dave Schmutz SSD administrator

I need some help in research in the villages of Plagne & Vauffelin, which is near BIEL, is there anyone close that can do research. The time frame is from 1875 back. Roy

Hello Maybe some one can help me find an answer to a question I have regarding the Swiss military Swiss military took part in a military action in Haarlem, Holland in in March 1782. I have information that this military unit was under the command of Lt General Erher. ( a Swiss General ) I had an ancestor who was killed while being involved in this action. Can any one provide any information that will help to answer this question. Thanks to all who help. Thomas

You may want to try these url and just see if you can find anything. Bette a member of ISTG. Immigrant Ships by Name Immigrant Ships Transcribers Guild http://istg.rootsweb.com/ships/index.html Cindi's List-Ships http://www.cyndislist.com/ships.htm Passenger Lists/Ships http://www.personal.umich.edu/~cgaunt/pass.html

--part1_9b.d8195d.25c5e599_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit --part1_9b.d8195d.25c5e599_boundary Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Disposition: inline Return-Path: <MISTCLAI-L-request@rootsweb.com> Received: from rly-zc05.mx.aol.com (rly-zc05.mail.aol.com [172.31.33.5]) by air-zc03.mail.aol.com (v67_b1.21) with ESMTP; Sat, 29 Jan 2000 17:22:17 -0500 Received: from bl-11.rootsweb.com (bl-11.rootsweb.com [204.212.38.27]) by rly-zc05.mx.aol.com (v67_b1.21) with ESMTP; Sat, 29 Jan 2000 17:22:12 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by bl-11.rootsweb.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA24055; Sat, 29 Jan 2000 14:19:34 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2000 14:19:34 -0800 (PST) From: MattCarman@aol.com Message-ID: <c7.16552d3.25c4c149@aol.com> Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2000 17:18:49 EST Old-To: DOAN-L@rootsweb.com, LEETE-L@rootsweb.com, MISTCLAI-L@rootsweb.com, MI_MARQUETTE@onelist.com, adeleg@ibm.net, mjh@itctel.com, ubatrans@gte.net, boward@essex1.com, frevertr@newberry.org, Guyorhaven@aol.com, adix@sprynet.com, ADIXC@cs.com, jill.adix@gte.net, adixb@k-com.net, nanjim@micron.net, RebeccaLws@aol.com, billibob@ix.netcom.com, GOULDOFPB@aol.com, BobSS1@aol.com, stpat@worldaccessnet.com, cfklare@ewa.net, PMJ6670@prodigy.net, MFortelka@aol.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Windows 95 sub 51 Subject: [MISTCLAI] Re: 2000 Census Resent-Message-ID: <C3zj_B.A.A2F.1d2k4@bl-11.rootsweb.com> To: MISTCLAI-L@rootsweb.com Resent-From: MISTCLAI-L@rootsweb.com X-Mailing-List: <MISTCLAI-L@rootsweb.com> archive/latest/269 X-Loop: MISTCLAI-L@rootsweb.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: MISTCLAI-L-request@rootsweb.com The year 2000 is a Census Year. Most of the census will be taken by mail, so after you have filled out your census form why not make a copy of it and file it with your important papers. Then your family will not have to wait 70 years to learn about you. Gee, I wish I would have done this 10 years ago. 20 and 30 too. Matt Why not share this idea with other lists you are on too. This idea was from Julie C. Hesson on HATCH-L@rootsweb.com Submitted by Sun2Moon11@aol.com Extracted From: Marilyn105@aol.com on PABRADFO-L@rootsweb.com --part1_9b.d8195d.25c5e599_boundary--

----- Original Message ----- From: <SWITZERLAND-D-request@rootsweb.com> To: <SWITZERLAND-D@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, January 29, 2000 1:30 AM Subject: SWITZERLAND-D Digest V00 #44

The following information may be useful to those Listers interested about Passenger Lists. It reflects my personal experience in obtaining a copy. If not interested, skip this message. Both of my parents came to America in the 1920's, met in San Francisco and married in 1928. Before I became interested in genealogy, they passed away. I knew both became citizens somewhere in the 1940's. The aquisition of their citizenship papers revealed: when they arrived, the name of the ship and date/port of arrival. Using the "Directory of European Steamship Arrivals", 1890-1930, by Morton Allan, I found the name of the Steamship Company and verified the date and port as well as the departure date/port. I then submitted the National Archives Form # NAFT 81 and received the page from the passenger list. The cost was $10. A printout of the complete list would cost $120 or microfilm $23. I opted for the one page. The contents included the name, age, amount of money on hand, final destination in America, sponser's name/address, parents name/address in Switzerland, exit visa number plus about 20 other items of info. To me this was a jackpot. Whereas mom departed from Bremen, dad departed from Le Havre. Just as a bus makes stops along the way, so do Steamships. From Hamburg to Bremen, LeHavre, Cherbourg, Liverpool to New York, Philadelphia, Boston, Cleveland or New Orleans. New Orleans (pronounced NAWLINS) was a busy port before and after the Civil War. Considerable cotton and grain was shipped back to Europe. The ships filled with passengers to America did not go back to Europe empty. If you would like, check out http://nara.gov for specific information on the National Archives. Thank you for your time. Enjoy. Tony Louisiana

Dear list members Today I tried to send an email to Chiveral Carol (CLChiveral@aol.com) but the message came back with the message +550 <CLChiveral@aol.com>... User unknown." Does anyone of you have the new email addres from Carol Chiveral? Thanks and wish you all a nice week! Christof Schick-Fernandez, Murten, Switzerland

wanted to thank the many readers who willing responded to my FILIPPINI ancestor findings, i shall be busy for a few days [weeks, possiblely months] i thank you for all the information that is posted daily to the list, am getting quite a history lesson on LIFE here. Linda Mock lindamock@webtv.net

Hi Janet If you are still looking for a researcher let me know as detailed as possible what family in what villages in what time frame you are looking for. I can ask Mr. Hug from the local LDS center here (the one near Basel) to recommend a researcher who has already experience in your area of interest. Sorry that it took me so long to answer but I had to ask Mr Hug first if this is OK with him. Best regards, Regula BTW: This offer stands for everyone who is looking for a researcher in the Basel area. It is especially important to know whether the research would be only in Switzerland or across the border in France or Germany too. Halltall@aol.com wrote: > > Can anyone recommend a genealogical researcher in the Basel area? I need to > hire someone to look up church records for me. I saw them today on microfilm > and I just can't make them out. I can read printed German, but the > combination of 400-year old writing, Old German script and the wear of age > made it just impossible. It might also be that someone in this country with > expertise could read thse microfilms better than I am able to do. They are > available from the LDS. > > Please E mail me Privately at halltall@aol.com. > > thank you > > Janet Hall > > ==== SWITZERLAND Mailing List ==== > Swiss Resource Site > http://swiss.genealogy.net -- Regula Nebel Reinach BL, Switzerland

Halter is quite a comon name in Switzerland> Here are the listings from Swiss Surnames and the cantons: Canton Aargau - Beinwil am See - (a) - residing there from before 1800 Mellingen - (a) Canton Grisons - Igels (a) Canton Luzerne - Ballwil - (a) - Emmen (a) - Eschenbach LU (a) Canton Obwalden - Giswil (a) - Lungern (a) Canton St Gallen - Balgach (a) - Marbach SG ((a) - Rebstein (a) CAnton Thurgau - Bonau (a) - Dotnacht (a) - Hosenruck (a) - Illighausen (a) - Schonholzerswilen (a) Canton Zurich - Zurich (b) - between 1800 and 1850 Mario Van Moos: Bibliography of Swiss Genealogies 1) Dickenmann Paul: Die Geschichte mit Stammbaumfolge einiger Burgerfamilien der Gemeinde Schonholzerswilen (darin die Familie HALTER von Weiblingen) o.O.1958 - 7 Bl. (in der Kantonsbibliothek Thurgau. 2) Halter, Josef, Burger von Lungern. Sarnen 1986 - 79 Bl., Stammliste, Stammtafeln (Beilage: Die Geschichte vom Seeboden. Sarnen 1986 - 28 Bl. (in der SGFF - Bibliothek) 3) Zumstein, Heinrich: Aus der Geschichte der Gemeinde Mellingen. Aus der Geschi- chte einer Kleinstadt in der Jahren 1700-1900. Mellingen 1988, 396 S. (darin Stammtafel der Familie HALTER von M<ellingen, 1494-1983) in der Schweizereischen Landesbibliothek). Hope this will be of help to you. Joe Wolfe On Fri, 28 Jan 2000 12:23:05 EST LFHalter@aol.com writes: > Anyone one the list have any new HALTER information? > > I'm trying to connect our Louis Halter born Alsace to possible > ancestors in > Switzerland? > > Any help or suggestions would be appreciated. > === > Ludwig/Louis Halter > b: Bet. 1765 - 1775 in Schirrhein, Alsace, France (originally > Switzerland?) > d: Aft. 1850 in New Hamburg, Scott Co., MO (probably) > m. in Germany/France/Switzerland Madeline Royer March 12, 1796 > b: Abt. 1769 in Germany/France/Switzerland in Schirrhofen, Alsace, > France > d: Aft. 1850 in probably New Hamburg, Scott Co., MO > > They were in Stark Co., OH in the mid-1800's as some of their > children were > born there. > > Francine Conn Halter > > > ==== SWITZERLAND Mailing List ==== > Resource Site > http://www.rootsweb.com/~chewgw >

Hello Wolf, Thanks very much for explaining the fees. I really did not know about the minimum fee. I have no problem paying the 25, my point was that I thought is was too high for what I got. I appreciate your time in explaining it to me and the list. I have subscribed to this list for several years and have learn a lot, not only from you, but other members. By the way, do you research for families? If so, how much do you charge? I may have already ask this question to you years ago. robert ----- Original Message ----- From: Seelentag Wolfhart Dr. KSSG_RO <wolf.seelentag@kssg.ch> To: <SWITZERLAND-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, January 28, 2000 2:55 AM Subject: AW: [SWITZ] Familenschein fees (was: Some Advice Please) > Dear Robert, > > so this is yet different again ;-). The discussion in the list was about a > Familienschein, i.e. a document issued by a Civil Registry Office - which > has no connection to anything you get from Staatsarchiv, so this shouldn't > be confused. As this might be of general interest to others as well, I hope > you don't mind that I cc'ed the list. > > Most Staatsarchivs have fees like "sfr 25 per half hour", always "rounding > up", i.e. starting anything, even if it takes only 5 minutes, will always > result in these sfr 25 as a minimum fee :-((. I'm not sure about taxis in > the US - but when you get into a Swiss taxi, there will be a starting fee of > several sfr - before you have actually moved a single inch. This is pretty > much the same. Now for just a single photocopy of a quickly located page, > some people working at a Staatsarchiv will tend to say "don't bother all the > administration", and just send the photocopy ;-). But this is entirely up to > the individual person (likely with some rules being issued by the head of > the archive), and there are two methods to find out - either just ask for > information and find out (like you did - running the risk of being costly), > or enquire about fees first. > > Conclusion : > > 1) Whenever you ask for information, you are on the safe side when enquiring > about possible fees first ! I would recommend to describe exactly what you > want, when you enquire about the fee : in some cases you'll just get the > info you wanted, free of charge, in others you'll be told how much to > expect. > > 2) Whatever you can do yourself (e.g. copy from a microfilm, if the record > in question has been filmed by LDS) you should do yourself - for two reasons > : in many cases it will be cheaper - and it will free staff at Staatsarchiv > to provide service where you cannot do it yourself, e.g. when a given source > has not been filmed by LDS. > > Good luck with your further research - Wolf > ---------------------- > Wolf W. Seelentag, PhD, e-mail : wolf@swissmail.com > Reherstr. 19, CH - 9016 St. Gallen, Switzerland > Tel (home) : +41-71-2885121 Fax : +49-89-2443-91987 > Tel (work) : +41-71-4942233 > > > > ---------- > > Von: Robert Rothenbuhler[SMTP:piepint@nbtx.com] > > Gesendet: Donnerstag, 27. Januar 2000 20:49 > > An: Seelentag Wolfhart Dr. KSSG_RO > > Betreff: Re: [SWITZ] Familenschein fees (was: Some Advice Please) > > > > Hi Wolf, > > > > All I received from the Staatsarchiv is a xerox > > copy of a page from a parish book. It was not > > certified or registered. There was no stamp on > > it as being certified. I provided them all the > > infor they needed to go directly to the film. No > > research was required on their part. The > > copy I received was in old german script which > > I translated myself. If I knew it was going to cost > > me 25 Schweizer Franken, I would have paid > > $4.00 and ordered the film from my local LDS > > site and made a copy for 10cents, myself. > > > > robert > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Seelentag Wolfhart Dr. KSSG_RO <wolf.seelentag@kssg.ch> > > To: <SWITZERLAND-L@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Thursday, January 27, 2000 12:39 PM > > Subject: [SWITZ] Familenschein fees (was: Some Advice Please) > > > > > Dear Swiss Rooters, > > > > > > after the fairly recent discussion about the cumbersome procedure to get > > any > > > data from Swiss Civil Registry Offices, we now have a discussion about > > their > > > fees. I'm not going to repeat any of the earlier issues - if you are new > > to > > > the list, please, search for "ordinance" in "2000" in the list archive : > > > http://searches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl > > > (note : you have to search for "Switzerland-L" as our list in a first > > step > !!) > > > > > > Let's now turn to the fees : as with the procedure, I'm not going to > > defend > > > them - just trying to explain ;-) !! > > > > > ==== SWITZERLAND Mailing List ==== > Support RootsWeb! Help provide FREE genealogical resources on the > Internet: http://www.rootsweb.com/rootsweb/how-to-subscribe.html >

Anyone one the list have any new HALTER information? I'm trying to connect our Louis Halter born Alsace to possible ancestors in Switzerland? Any help or suggestions would be appreciated. === Ludwig/Louis Halter b: Bet. 1765 - 1775 in Schirrhein, Alsace, France (originally Switzerland?) d: Aft. 1850 in New Hamburg, Scott Co., MO (probably) m. in Germany/France/Switzerland Madeline Royer March 12, 1796 b: Abt. 1769 in Germany/France/Switzerland in Schirrhofen, Alsace, France d: Aft. 1850 in probably New Hamburg, Scott Co., MO They were in Stark Co., OH in the mid-1800's as some of their children were born there. Francine Conn Halter

Anyone one the list have any new HALTER information? I'm trying to connect our Louis Halter born Alsace to possible ancestors in Switzerland? Any help or suggestions would be appreciated. === Ludwig/Louis Halter b: Bet. 1765 - 1775 in Schirrhein, Alsace, France (originally Switzerland?) d: Aft. 1850 in New Hamburg, Scott Co., MO (probably) m. in Germany/France/Switzerland Madeline Royer March 12, 1796 b: Abt. 1769 in Germany/France/Switzerland in Schirrhofen, Alsace, France d: Aft. 1850 in probably New Hamburg, Scott Co., MO They were in Stark Co., OH in the mid-1800's as some of their children were born there. Francine Conn Halter

Wolf and List, No, this is not disturbing me but I did find the error and it was in the way that I asked for the info. After reading Wolfs last message I remembered that I was given some advice and going back to that email(glad I kept it) I was advised to not send cash but send 3- $1.05 coupons for return mail. I was also advised to ask for Familienschien (familienbuch) or family book information if it was available, and also to ask for church records to back it up. This is where the fee enters into it. I do not feel that the advice that I was given was bad. The money (fee) was never really an issue. I just wanted someone to help me to decipher the letter. I was also at fault for not asking about fees since I was not charged for this same type of document last February of 1999 when I wrote and asked about obtaining information on some of my other ancestors. Mea Culpa, Mea Culpa, Mea Maximus Culpa!! A good lesson learned here. If it takes asking 50 questions- ask 50 questions!! David --- "Seelentag Wolfhart Dr. KSSG_RO" <wolf.seelentag@kssg.ch> wrote: > Dear David, > > I just hope that this discussion is not disturbing > you too much : I feel > it's useful on this list (that's why I cc'ed them) - > should prevent such > misunderstandings (?) at least in some cases in the > future. > > > ---------- > > Von: david kester[SMTP:dck516@yahoo.com] > > Gesendet: Donnerstag, 27. Januar 2000 21:54 > > An: Seelentag Wolfhart Dr. KSSG_RO > > Betreff: Re: [SWITZ] Familenschein fees (was: > Some Advice Please) > > > > Sir, > > Never in a million years would I have thought that > my > > question about someone helping me to explain this > > letter would turn into this. > > > > No, I never applied for anything. All I did was > write > > to the Zivilstandsamt in Hallau and asked them how > I > > could find out about who the other children were > of my > > g,g,great-grandparents. > > > Can't comment on this without knowing the exact text > : the Zivilstandsamt > obviously interpreted it as an application for a > Familienschein, and sent > you the Familienschein. Now - if this was clearly a > mis-interpretation on > their behalf, you could refuse to pay the fee : no > need to pay for anything > you haven't ordered - just return the piece of paper > ;-). Depending on the > wording, however, an application could have been > implicit, and then the > situation would be quite different. > > As I recommended in my last posting to the list a > few minutes ago : whenever > you ask for info, describe exactly what you want, > and ask for the fee - if > there is no fee, you'll just get the info, if > there's a fee, you'll be told > how much. > > > I gave them my > > g,g,great-grandparent's names and dates of birth > and > > death that I obtained last year after writing to a > > Mario Von Moos and he forwarded my letter to the > > Zivilstandsamt in Hallau (in Feb. 1999) The > > Zivilstandsamt in Hallau sent me a page which > shows > > some information on my great-grandmother, Anna > GASSER, > > and her brother and sister, August and Bertha > GASSER > > being the children of Jakob GASSER and Barbara > > SCHNEIDER. It also lists Jakob's and Barbara's > dates > > of birth, marriage and when they immigrated to the > > USA. It also goes on to show the parent's of Jakob > > GASSER, and the parent's of Barbara SCHNEIDER. > Barbara > > SCHNEIDER had a brother and sister who also > immigrated > > to the US. > > > Thank you for a good example what to expect on a > Familienschein ;-) ! > > > I wrote to the Zivilstandsamt and asked how > > I could find out if there were other siblings > other > > than Barbara's brother, John and sister, Anna. > That is > > when I received this Familienschein from the > > Zivilstandsamt in Beringen. > > > > This paper shows: The father, Heinrich SCHNEIDER, > and > > the mother, Anna SCHLATTER. It also lists their > dates > > of birth, marriage and death (Which I already had > from > > the info from Feb. 1999). > > > Yes - there is overlapping information : the > Familienschein usually covers 3 > generations (if info is known) - this makes sure you > can run a line from one > generation to the next. If you go from one > Familienschein to the father's > document, you'll be given an additional generation > further back, plus more > information on brothers and sisters in the same > generation. > > Best regards - Wolf > > > It also tells who the > > parent's of Heinrich and Anna are also. Turn the > paper > > over and it lists the 14 children of Heinrich and > Anna > > SCHLATTER SCHNEIDER. It gives the dates of birth, > > marriage and death for the children, if, the info > is > > known. > > > > All I wanted to know was if someone could help me > with > > the coverletter that came with the Familienschein. > > That's all. I just didn't know what they > > (Zivilstandsamt) were asking for. > > > > David > > > > --- "Seelentag Wolfhart Dr. KSSG_RO" > > <wolf.seelentag@kssg.ch> wrote: > > > Dear Swiss Rooters, > > > > > > after the fairly recent discussion about the > > > cumbersome procedure to get any > > > data from Swiss Civil Registry Offices, we now > have > > > a discussion about their > > > fees. ......... > > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com

Dear David, I just hope that this discussion is not disturbing you too much : I feel it's useful on this list (that's why I cc'ed them) - should prevent such misunderstandings (?) at least in some cases in the future. > ---------- > Von: david kester[SMTP:dck516@yahoo.com] > Gesendet: Donnerstag, 27. Januar 2000 21:54 > An: Seelentag Wolfhart Dr. KSSG_RO > Betreff: Re: [SWITZ] Familenschein fees (was: Some Advice Please) > > Sir, > Never in a million years would I have thought that my > question about someone helping me to explain this > letter would turn into this. > > No, I never applied for anything. All I did was write > to the Zivilstandsamt in Hallau and asked them how I > could find out about who the other children were of my > g,g,great-grandparents. > Can't comment on this without knowing the exact text : the Zivilstandsamt obviously interpreted it as an application for a Familienschein, and sent you the Familienschein. Now - if this was clearly a mis-interpretation on their behalf, you could refuse to pay the fee : no need to pay for anything you haven't ordered - just return the piece of paper ;-). Depending on the wording, however, an application could have been implicit, and then the situation would be quite different. As I recommended in my last posting to the list a few minutes ago : whenever you ask for info, describe exactly what you want, and ask for the fee - if there is no fee, you'll just get the info, if there's a fee, you'll be told how much. > I gave them my > g,g,great-grandparent's names and dates of birth and > death that I obtained last year after writing to a > Mario Von Moos and he forwarded my letter to the > Zivilstandsamt in Hallau (in Feb. 1999) The > Zivilstandsamt in Hallau sent me a page which shows > some information on my great-grandmother, Anna GASSER, > and her brother and sister, August and Bertha GASSER > being the children of Jakob GASSER and Barbara > SCHNEIDER. It also lists Jakob's and Barbara's dates > of birth, marriage and when they immigrated to the > USA. It also goes on to show the parent's of Jakob > GASSER, and the parent's of Barbara SCHNEIDER. Barbara > SCHNEIDER had a brother and sister who also immigrated > to the US. > Thank you for a good example what to expect on a Familienschein ;-) ! > I wrote to the Zivilstandsamt and asked how > I could find out if there were other siblings other > than Barbara's brother, John and sister, Anna. That is > when I received this Familienschein from the > Zivilstandsamt in Beringen. > > This paper shows: The father, Heinrich SCHNEIDER, and > the mother, Anna SCHLATTER. It also lists their dates > of birth, marriage and death (Which I already had from > the info from Feb. 1999). > Yes - there is overlapping information : the Familienschein usually covers 3 generations (if info is known) - this makes sure you can run a line from one generation to the next. If you go from one Familienschein to the father's document, you'll be given an additional generation further back, plus more information on brothers and sisters in the same generation. Best regards - Wolf > It also tells who the > parent's of Heinrich and Anna are also. Turn the paper > over and it lists the 14 children of Heinrich and Anna > SCHLATTER SCHNEIDER. It gives the dates of birth, > marriage and death for the children, if, the info is > known. > > All I wanted to know was if someone could help me with > the coverletter that came with the Familienschein. > That's all. I just didn't know what they > (Zivilstandsamt) were asking for. > > David > > --- "Seelentag Wolfhart Dr. KSSG_RO" > <wolf.seelentag@kssg.ch> wrote: > > Dear Swiss Rooters, > > > > after the fairly recent discussion about the > > cumbersome procedure to get any > > data from Swiss Civil Registry Offices, we now have > > a discussion about their > > fees. ......... >

Dear Robert, so this is yet different again ;-). The discussion in the list was about a Familienschein, i.e. a document issued by a Civil Registry Office - which has no connection to anything you get from Staatsarchiv, so this shouldn't be confused. As this might be of general interest to others as well, I hope you don't mind that I cc'ed the list. Most Staatsarchivs have fees like "sfr 25 per half hour", always "rounding up", i.e. starting anything, even if it takes only 5 minutes, will always result in these sfr 25 as a minimum fee :-((. I'm not sure about taxis in the US - but when you get into a Swiss taxi, there will be a starting fee of several sfr - before you have actually moved a single inch. This is pretty much the same. Now for just a single photocopy of a quickly located page, some people working at a Staatsarchiv will tend to say "don't bother all the administration", and just send the photocopy ;-). But this is entirely up to the individual person (likely with some rules being issued by the head of the archive), and there are two methods to find out - either just ask for information and find out (like you did - running the risk of being costly), or enquire about fees first. Conclusion : 1) Whenever you ask for information, you are on the safe side when enquiring about possible fees first ! I would recommend to describe exactly what you want, when you enquire about the fee : in some cases you'll just get the info you wanted, free of charge, in others you'll be told how much to expect. 2) Whatever you can do yourself (e.g. copy from a microfilm, if the record in question has been filmed by LDS) you should do yourself - for two reasons : in many cases it will be cheaper - and it will free staff at Staatsarchiv to provide service where you cannot do it yourself, e.g. when a given source has not been filmed by LDS. Good luck with your further research - Wolf ---------------------- Wolf W. Seelentag, PhD, e-mail : wolf@swissmail.com Reherstr. 19, CH - 9016 St. Gallen, Switzerland Tel (home) : +41-71-2885121 Fax : +49-89-2443-91987 Tel (work) : +41-71-4942233 > ---------- > Von: Robert Rothenbuhler[SMTP:piepint@nbtx.com] > Gesendet: Donnerstag, 27. Januar 2000 20:49 > An: Seelentag Wolfhart Dr. KSSG_RO > Betreff: Re: [SWITZ] Familenschein fees (was: Some Advice Please) > > Hi Wolf, > > All I received from the Staatsarchiv is a xerox > copy of a page from a parish book. It was not > certified or registered. There was no stamp on > it as being certified. I provided them all the > infor they needed to go directly to the film. No > research was required on their part. The > copy I received was in old german script which > I translated myself. If I knew it was going to cost > me 25 Schweizer Franken, I would have paid > $4.00 and ordered the film from my local LDS > site and made a copy for 10cents, myself. > > robert > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Seelentag Wolfhart Dr. KSSG_RO <wolf.seelentag@kssg.ch> > To: <SWITZERLAND-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Thursday, January 27, 2000 12:39 PM > Subject: [SWITZ] Familenschein fees (was: Some Advice Please) > > > Dear Swiss Rooters, > > > > after the fairly recent discussion about the cumbersome procedure to get > any > > data from Swiss Civil Registry Offices, we now have a discussion about > their > > fees. I'm not going to repeat any of the earlier issues - if you are new > to > > the list, please, search for "ordinance" in "2000" in the list archive : > > http://searches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl > > (note : you have to search for "Switzerland-L" as our list in a first > step > !!) > > > > Let's now turn to the fees : as with the procedure, I'm not going to > defend > > them - just trying to explain ;-) !! >

Checked through the Swiss Surnames books and did not find the name with any spelling or variation of.. Also checked under "C"...I also checked Mario Van Moos " Bibliography of Swiss Genealogies" and did not find anything there either. It could be a name that died out in Switzerland many years ago as you mention they might be Swiss-Palatine - many of the Swiss went to the Palatinate in the early 1700's and also in the 1600's to help repopulate the region and because of religious persec- ution in Switzerland. You don't say the time you are checking so checked "Penna. German Pioneers " Strassberger and Hinke and again no luck. Sorry. Joe Wolfe On Thu, 27 Jan 2000 07:07:05 EST GFSNance@aol.com writes: > Hello, I am new to the Switzerland mail list. I know that my Daniel > Bairs > family was from Switzerland but not where. Now my German friend told > me that > my Kripliver/Kriplever family might be Swiss-Palatines with the > spelling > Krippe leber or Krippe liber. I know for sure that my GGGG > grandfather was > Henry but I have no idea who his wife was unless he married when he > arrived > in the United States. > If anyone knows of these names please contact > GFS Nance@aol.com > > > ==== SWITZERLAND Mailing List ==== > Support RootsWeb! Help provide FREE genealogical resources on the > Internet: http://www.rootsweb.com/rootsweb/how-to-subscribe.html >

Dear Hosmann / Hossmann researchers: I have corrected and added data for Hosmann / Hossmann in SwissGen's SSD. Please visit http://iseli.simplenet.com/ch-names/ to obtain the new and combined information. best wishes, Dave Schmutz