Sorry to but in here but does everyone realize there is a marvelous series of films on St. Gallen - Author Wickli-Steineger :Alphabetical Name Index Cards in the Family History Center. UInfortunately they do not cover every town or every canton but they are based not only on church records but also on property records and wills and other such information. Some of the numbers are 1860955 - Fderle to Frey,Uli 1860663 - Aadrian to Britt, Gottlieb 1860858 - Schmid -Hans Jacob to Sprecher. And the best part is that they come into the 20th century. There are many more numbers but those are only a few. Joe Wolfe On Wed, 02 Feb 2000 14:32:07 -0500 Jim Schneider <lorenz3@magi.com> writes: > Doug - > > I'll be very interested to see what kind of replies you get as I've > found > similar gaps in an area in Kanton Sankt Gallen which is located just > west of the > area in which you seem to be researching - the villages of Benken > and Schaenis, > both located immediately west of the Walensee. > > My sense is that a couple of factors are at work here - but I have > no real proof > of this. The factors, I believe, were economics and the unique > character of > Swiss community-based citizenship. > > In other words, economic need sometimes required that a young male > seek work > elsewhere than the community of his birth. Often, especially during > the period > to which you refer, this employment was in the form of 'mercenary' > activity, but > I am sure that there were other examples. Years later - given the > retained > citizenship rights - the person in question, along with the family > that they had > produced during the intervening years, returned to the community in > which they > held citizenship. But - not always, but often - the baptismal > records for their > children had been recorded elsewhere. Then, seemingly out of > nowhere, another > generation begins appearing in the church records. > > Another variation of this - again, I have no proof - I believe > sometimes > occurred in the wake of a marriage to a spouse from another > community. One of > the parties to the marriage moved to the home community of the other > spouse. > Years later, sometimes with one or more children in tow, the party > returns to > the community in which they have citizenship. And, once again, > people begin > turning up in the church records for whom there are no baptismal > records. > > I would very much appreciate it if you would post to the list or > privately > forward to me any responses you get that help explain the phenomena. > > Good luck. > > Jim Schneider > > > DHILBS@aol.com wrote: > > > I have researched the Mels and Flums Kirchenbuchs back to 1641 and > something > > strange occurs in both localities. > > > > Mels - couple 1 first child 1699. Next couple first child > 1751. A > > spread of 52 years. Otherwise from 1641 to 1821 there was always > a > > generation every 20 to 25 years. > > > > Flums - couple 1 first child 1720. Next couple first child > 1760. A > > spread of 40 years. Otherwise from 1666 to 1820 there was always > that > > generation every 20 to 25 years. > > > > No historians, was there a religlious reveloution, a plague, a > massive flood > > of the Rhein or Seez rivers, any other natural disasters that > would explain > > the generation gap? > > > > Thanks in advance. > > > > Doug Hilby > > > > ==== SWITZERLAND Mailing List ==== > > Going on vacation? Gone longer than 4 days? > > mail to Switzerland-L-request@rootsweb.com > > subject line: unsubscribe > > nothing in message > > > ==== SWITZERLAND Mailing List ==== > Resource Site > http://www.rootsweb.com/~chewgw >

I am trying to place a Bertha HAMM in the family below: William E. TOUCHON and wife Marie Louise GRAU left Neuchatel for the USA in 1893. They had one daughter born in Le Locle named Bertha. A son, Jules Ernest TOUCHON, was perhaps born there also. Other children were born in Connecticut. An elderly relative says that there are two Berthas connected as sisters somehow, or perhaps daughters of sisters, of Marie GRAU. There is a Bertha DESAULES and a Bertha HAMM. She says in her letter that the DESAULES were in New Jersey, and she refers to Bertha HAMM as being in California. I do not have any dates on them except one: she mentions that an Edward DESAULES died in 1953, apparently in NJ. I just recently received this letter, and I have not absorbed it all yet. I gather that DESAULES and HAMMS and GRAUS were connected even back to Neuchatel. I am not sure of this though. A birth certificate shows that the GRAU line came from Fribourg. -----Original Message----- From: davist@lexmark.com <davist@lexmark.com> To: SWITZERLAND-L@rootsweb.com <SWITZERLAND-L@rootsweb.com> Date: Wednesday, February 02, 2000 7:16 AM Subject: [SWITZ] Surname HAMM >Is anyone seaching the Surname Hamm? > > > >==== SWITZERLAND Mailing List ==== >Swiss Resource Site >http://swiss.genealogy.net > >

I once saw my grandfather's name written as Fridolin - his name was Frederick. Mary.

Doug - I'll be very interested to see what kind of replies you get as I've found similar gaps in an area in Kanton Sankt Gallen which is located just west of the area in which you seem to be researching - the villages of Benken and Schaenis, both located immediately west of the Walensee. My sense is that a couple of factors are at work here - but I have no real proof of this. The factors, I believe, were economics and the unique character of Swiss community-based citizenship. In other words, economic need sometimes required that a young male seek work elsewhere than the community of his birth. Often, especially during the period to which you refer, this employment was in the form of 'mercenary' activity, but I am sure that there were other examples. Years later - given the retained citizenship rights - the person in question, along with the family that they had produced during the intervening years, returned to the community in which they held citizenship. But - not always, but often - the baptismal records for their children had been recorded elsewhere. Then, seemingly out of nowhere, another generation begins appearing in the church records. Another variation of this - again, I have no proof - I believe sometimes occurred in the wake of a marriage to a spouse from another community. One of the parties to the marriage moved to the home community of the other spouse. Years later, sometimes with one or more children in tow, the party returns to the community in which they have citizenship. And, once again, people begin turning up in the church records for whom there are no baptismal records. I would very much appreciate it if you would post to the list or privately forward to me any responses you get that help explain the phenomena. Good luck. Jim Schneider DHILBS@aol.com wrote: > I have researched the Mels and Flums Kirchenbuchs back to 1641 and something > strange occurs in both localities. > > Mels - couple 1 first child 1699. Next couple first child 1751. A > spread of 52 years. Otherwise from 1641 to 1821 there was always a > generation every 20 to 25 years. > > Flums - couple 1 first child 1720. Next couple first child 1760. A > spread of 40 years. Otherwise from 1666 to 1820 there was always that > generation every 20 to 25 years. > > No historians, was there a religlious reveloution, a plague, a massive flood > of the Rhein or Seez rivers, any other natural disasters that would explain > the generation gap? > > Thanks in advance. > > Doug Hilby > > ==== SWITZERLAND Mailing List ==== > Going on vacation? Gone longer than 4 days? > mail to Switzerland-L-request@rootsweb.com > subject line: unsubscribe > nothing in message

Is anyone seaching the Surname Hamm?

In a message dated 2/2/00 11:38:38 AM Eastern Standard Time, EddieB175@aol.com writes: << someone help me as to where Attiswil Switzerland is and also I have Oberburg Wiryen? Thanks for any help. Would like to find a researcher for Canton >> Hello, I have located Oberburg just North of Bern {maybe 30 miles} and then the town of Attiswil is very near Solothurn which is also North of Bern . I hope this will help you with your search. Margaret

Thanks for posting your very informative letter on a HOT current topic. Actually, Aargau starets charging a fee only after 1-January, 2000 (a little behind the rest). The fees are expected to be "sfr 20 to 100 for reports of civil data, depending on the time required, the importance of the case, and its complexity." They will accept payment in Swiss francs by a post office order or check, if coming from outside Switzerland. Or you can pay "via a Swiss consulate." Wish everyone who has information such as yours would share it on the list. Pete Mattli Ft. Myers, FL > -------- Subj: Re: [SWITZ] Familenschein fees (was: Some Advice Please) Date: 02/02/2000 1:19:27 PM Eastern Standard Time From: MKunzle311@aol.com To: SWITZERLAND-L@rootsweb.com I come back to your comments you had about familienschein an fees. I have recently asked at about 10 differents places mainly in the canton of AR and SG to send me a familienschein. Up to now I got 7 responses. And nobody had asked me to get a permission from the canton. 1. for 1 familienschein I paid FS 92.- As they told me they have applied the new tarif. I suppose as Wolf told is his mail they included the permission fees. 2. for another familienschein I paid FS 55.-. A bid expensive but after my experience correct. 3. A photocopy of a burgerrodel I got free of charge. 4. 1 reply per e-mail from the Staatsarchiv to whom the letter was forwarded, telling me they find anything, but giving further clues where I should search. 5. From two places I got the reply per e-mail that they do not have any records for the period I asked. 6. one town asked me to explain them my direct relationship to my ancestor. As you can see not every town/commun is dealing with your request the same manner. You can have luck and pay nothing or you can pay a fee fairly expensive. Concerning the permission a have the feeling, that the regulations are not applied everywhere. Or maybe there is another reason for that. Then all my ancestors I was looking for are born 150 to 200 years ago. So I think probably after a certain period (100 or 120 years) your do not need any permission anymore. Max Kunzle

I come back to your comments you had about familienschein an fees. I have recently asked at about 10 differents places mainly in the canton of AR and SG to send me a familienschein. Up to now I got 7 responses. And nobody had asked me to get a permission from the canton. 1. for 1 familienschein I paid FS 92.- As they told me they have applied the new tarif. I suppose as Wolf told is his mail they included the permission fees. 2. for another familienschein I paid FS 55.-. A bid expensive but after my experience correct. 3. A photocopy of a burgerrodel I got free of charge. 4. 1 reply per e-mail from the Staatsarchiv to whom the letter was forwarded, telling me they find anything, but giving further clues where I should search. 5. From two places I got the reply per e-mail that they do not have any records for the period I asked. 6. one town asked me to explain them my direct relationship to my ancestor. As you can see not every town/commun is dealing with your request the same manner. You can have luck and pay nothing or you can pay a fee fairly expensive. Concerning the permission a have the feeling, that the regulations are not applied everywhere. Or maybe there is another reason for that. Then all my ancestors I was looking for are born 150 to 200 years ago. So I think probably after a certain period (100 or 120 years) your do not need any permission anymore. Max Kunzle

I have researched the Mels and Flums Kirchenbuchs back to 1641 and something strange occurs in both localities. Mels - couple 1 first child 1699. Next couple first child 1751. A spread of 52 years. Otherwise from 1641 to 1821 there was always a generation every 20 to 25 years. Flums - couple 1 first child 1720. Next couple first child 1760. A spread of 40 years. Otherwise from 1666 to 1820 there was always that generation every 20 to 25 years. No historians, was there a religlious reveloution, a plague, a massive flood of the Rhein or Seez rivers, any other natural disasters that would explain the generation gap? Thanks in advance. Doug Hilby

I am curious about the translation of three names. They are from the late 1600s to early 1700s. Thsi one was quite prevelant. UDALRICUS Also FRIDOLINUS and the last I only saw once BIAFUS. Can anyone give an English version. Doug

In a message dated 1/30/00 1:28:46 AM Eastern Standard Time, SWITZERLAND-D-request@rootsweb.com writes: << X-Message: #1 Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2000 17:31:32 +0100 From: Regula Nebel <rnebel@datacomm.ch> To: SWITZERLAND-L@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <389315E3.B5157885@datacomm.ch> Subject: Re: [SWITZ] genealogy help in Switzerland Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Janet If you are still looking for a researcher let me know as detailed as possible what family in what villages in what time frame you are looking for. I can ask Mr. Hug from the local LDS center here (the one near Basel) to recommend a researcher who has already experience in your area of interest. Sorry that it took me so long to answer but I had to ask Mr Hug first if this is OK with him. Best regards, Regula >> I wrote to Mr. Hug once and got no reply. According to Moo's he did some work on the surname of Bienz. I was trying to find out if it included or he came across the Bienz of Basel-Stadt. If you have contact with him. Please let me know. Thanks Ed Bienz in NY

In a message dated 1/25/00 3:43:26 PM Eastern Standard Time, SWITZERLAND-D-request@rootsweb.com writes: << From: NNorris803@aol.com To: SWITZERLAND-L@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <66.12353b8.25bf5f81@aol.com> Subject: [SWITZ] Attiswil and Wiryen Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I have the following names in our family history as places of birth. Could someone help me as to where Attiswil Switzerland is and also I have Oberburg Wiryen? Thanks for any help. Would like to find a researcher for Canton Bern and above places. Nancy Norris >> Are you sure of the spelling there is a small section of Basel-Stadt, which is spelt different but would sound similar. Unfortunately, I don't have the exact spelling available right now. Achwill (its longer but goes something like this)

While looking for something else, I noticed that the article on "Heiliger Stuhl" in the Historisches Biographisches Lexikon der Schweiz (v. 4, pp. 121-123), has a list of the Hauptleute (captain or leader) of the Papal Swiss guard. The list is complete from 1505 to this century (when the HBLS was published). It's not an answer to the earlier posting about the Legio Helvetica but it is relevant to the discussion about the Papal guard which ensued. Regards, Mike Hobart

Ich bin auf der Suche nach allen Neumüller, Neumiller und ähnlich geschrieben, die in der Schweiz zu finden sind. Wenn es Forscher nach diesen namen gibt, oder sonst jemand was darüber weiß, freue ich mich auf jede info. danke henry neumüller, München

I was wondering if the surname Raber was Swiss or could it be French or German? And I anyone could tell me if there's still some in some towns & which ones in Switzerland?! I have no idea what nationality though had been told he was from Switzerland! Cathy Raber, FL, USA -----Original Message----- From: SWITZERLAND-D-request@rootsweb.com <SWITZERLAND-D-request@rootsweb.com> To: SWITZERLAND-D@rootsweb.com <SWITZERLAND-D@rootsweb.com> Date: Tuesday, February 01, 2000 7:06 AM Subject: SWITZERLAND-D Digest V00 #47

Dear Grünig researchers: I have combined both the Billeter and FNBS '89 data for Grünig in SwissGen's SSD. They were listed separately before. Please retrieve the data from: http://iseli.simplenet.com/ch-names/ Thanks, Dave Schmutz SSD admin.

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Most of the census will be taken by mail, so > after you have filled out your census form why not make a copy of it and file > it with your important papers. Then your family will not have to wait 70 > years to learn about you. > > Gee, I wish I would have done this 10 years ago. 20 and 30 too. > > Matt > Why not share this idea with other lists you are on too. > This idea was from Julie C. Hesson on HATCH-L@rootsweb.com > Submitted by > Sun2Moon11@aol.com > Extracted From: Marilyn105@aol.com on PABRADFO-L@rootsweb.com > > --part1_9b.d8195d.25c5e599_boundary-- > > ______________________________ > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Subject: [SWITZ] Swiss Military Info. > Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2000 15:19:21 -0500 > From: "Thomas J. 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Je suis très interessé dans la ligne FLEURY du Jura. Je crois que ma famille viens de là bas mais je ne suis pas sûr encore. En tout cas, j'ai un peu d'information sur les FLEURY du région de Saint-Ursanne et Les Bois etc. C'est en français déjà! Vous habitez dans quel coin du monde s.v.p.? Moi, c'est Genève. >Hello; >I'm looking for my Swiss ancestors. If you can help me .. >My great grandmother HUMARD Marie was born on 09.05.1853 in FREGIECOURT. >She married BESANCON Joseph (+ 25.02.1852) in ST URSANNE on 25.01.1878. >BESANCON Joseph 's mother was FLEURY EugÈnie or EugÈnis (I can't read >properly) > > Thanks for any information. > > >==== SWITZERLAND Mailing List ==== >Swiss Resource Site >http://swiss.genealogy.net Jeffry MOORE JEFFRY'S Language School SARL Voie-des-Traz 20, Door 1, E13 Cargo Building 1 Office Complex P.O. BOX 1135 CH-1211 Geneva 5 Airport Téléphone +41 (0)22 920 36 30 FAX +41 (0)22 920 36 31 Mobile +41 (0)79 475 39 85 http://www.jeffry.ch

> Von: Linda[SMTP:Bock@nebi.com] > Gesendet: Dienstag, 1. Februar 2000 04:48 > An: SWITZERLAND-L@rootsweb.com > Betreff: [SWITZ] Theiler-Tyler > > Hello, > > Does anyone have any of the following surnames? I would like to find > others researching this line. > Linda > > THEILER - Wadeschweilen, Wadeschwel, Zurich, Switzerland. <snip> > The village will be W"adenswil (a-umlaut). Theiler have held citizenship there since before 1800. > THEUS - Domat Ems, Chur, Graubunden, Switzerland. <snip> > I'll print out and forward your mail to a genealogist of this name (has no e-mail). Good luck with your further research - Wolf ---------------------- Wolf W. Seelentag, PhD, e-mail : wolf@swissmail.com Reherstr. 19, CH - 9016 St. Gallen, Switzerland Tel (home) : +41-71-2885121 Fax : +49-89-2443-91987 Tel (work) : +41-71-4942233

Hello, Does anyone have any of the following surnames? I would like to find others researching this line. Linda THEILER - Wadeschweilen, Wadeschwel, Zurich, Switzerland. Reported departed Wadeschweil on April 10, 1744 that Johannes Theiler, baptized October 8, 1690 and his wife, Margretha Meyer, baptized, September 8, 1689. Also their son with his family, to wit: Hans Jacob Theiler, baptized December 3, 1713. Magdalena Belon, from the Dauplhine, baptized Oct. 19, 1710. Children: Hans Rudolff, baptized September 15, 1737 Elisabeth, baptized January 12, 1739 Joining them and leaving his wife, Anna Tobler, behind: Hans Heinrich Baumann, baptized March 23, 1673. This departure took place in April, 1739. It was rumored that old Theiler, the father of Johannes, died on the way. Hans Jacob, as much as two years ago, sent back a letter in which he praises his good fortune and the new land. Faust Vol.1, pg.92 *Land granted Saxe Gotha(SC) Township (Theiler = Tyler) THEUS - Domat Ems, Chur, Graubunden, Switzerland. Departed Rotterdam with Capt. Percy arrived Charles Town, South Carolina were Christian Theus was ordained Minister of the Gospel. He had completed his studies at the Reformed Theological Seminary prior to leaving Switzerland. Rev. Theus was the first minister and school teacher in Saxe Gotha (SC) Township in 1739. His brother, Jeremiah Theus, was a famous portrait painter in Charles Town. * On 20 MaR 1736 Orangeburgh(SC) town lot 264 and 250 acres granted.