Here's one for you, listers: My paternal grandmother was born Gromania Katherine Hanni. Although she hated her first name to the point of making me promise I would never name my children Gromania (not a difficult promise, although I may use Katherine), she used the name until her death. Her parents (both sides) were the children of Swiss immigrants, from Eggiwil and Oberbalm, Canton Bern. I'm familiar with the family naming traditions, but her mother was Mary Anne Elizabeth Hanni. Nowhere can I find grandmothers, aunts, any other female relative with this name, and I've never heard it anywhere else. Can anybody shed some light on this name -- either its meanings or its derivation? It's not key to my research, but I've always wondered. Amy O'Hara

Marge: In Swiss Surnames the name of Stussi only appears in Basel Canton in Basel in 1961 and they came there from Linthal,Glarus. Before 1800 the following cantons had Stussi families in them. Canton Glarus - Glarus (a) from before 1800 Haslen (a) Linthal (a) Niederurnen (a) Riedern (a) Canton Zurich : - Da(e)nikon (a) Hofstetten bei Elgg (b) from 1800 to 1850 (and from Glarus, Gl) Regensdorf (a) Russikon. In Mario Van Moos "Bibliographies of Swiss Genealogies" are the following: 1) Stussi- Gyger, Jacob - Stammbaum STUSSI von Linthal, Glarus 1964 - 64 bl. (in der Landesbibliothek Glarus) 2) Schulthess, Konrad: Aus STUSSI 9von Regensdorf) wird Steissel. In : Schweizer Familienforscher 39,1972 - S 52-54. 3) Stussi,B. - Die STUSSI von Riedern. Kleine Familiengeschichte eine weitversweigten Geschlechts. In: Glarner Nachrichten 1979 - vom 31. Juli 1979 The local family history center should have some of the church records on microfilm. Hope this will be of help to you. Joe Wolfe On Fri, 17 Mar 2000 07:47:14 -0600 "Marge" <cedarcrk@ultravision.net> writes: > Good Morning, How would I go about discovering the parents of > FREDERICK > STUESSI B 1864 in Basil, Switzerland. He married Mary Apel. > Also > would like to find out more on Mary. Thank you, Marge/Tx > > > ==== SWITZERLAND Mailing List ==== > Resource Site > http://www.rootsweb.com/~chewgw >

How rude can you be? ----- Original Message ----- From: <Deborah.Mueller@chron.com> To: <SWITZERLAND-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, March 17, 2000 7:31 AM Subject: FW: [SWITZ] Re: Census > > Anna, > > It is called GENEALOGY. > > Get over it. > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Anna Rufer [mailto:rufer@xtra.co.nz] > Sent: Thursday, March 16, 2000 6:31 PM > To: SWITZERLAND-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: [SWITZ] Re: Census > > > Folks - > What has a present day (presumably USA) census got to do with a Switzerland > List?!!! > I have just downloaded 24 messages regarding it, all of which cost me money, > & not the slightest bit relevant to my Swiss research from New Zealand!! > Can we PLEASE keep to the subject! > Apologies if I am out of order here but I am a tad frustrated! > Regards, Anna > > > > > ==== SWITZERLAND Mailing List ==== > Resource Site > http://www.rootsweb.com/~chewgw > > > ==== SWITZERLAND Mailing List ==== > Swiss Resource Site > http://swiss.genealogy.net > >

Good Morning, How would I go about discovering the parents of FREDERICK STUESSI B 1864 in Basil, Switzerland. He married Mary Apel. Also would like to find out more on Mary. Thank you, Marge/Tx

Listers, I live in the US and have unlimited time on the internet, however in many--probably most--other countries people pay for each minute of internet time. Please be considerate of them--or do we want to continue to be known as the "ugly Americans?" Frankly;, I don't like that connotation. Do change the subject line when you go off topic--it's so easy to be thoughtful. Dot

Anna, It is called GENEALOGY. Get over it. -----Original Message----- From: Anna Rufer [mailto:rufer@xtra.co.nz] Sent: Thursday, March 16, 2000 6:31 PM To: SWITZERLAND-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [SWITZ] Re: Census Folks - What has a present day (presumably USA) census got to do with a Switzerland List?!!! I have just downloaded 24 messages regarding it, all of which cost me money, & not the slightest bit relevant to my Swiss research from New Zealand!! Can we PLEASE keep to the subject! Apologies if I am out of order here but I am a tad frustrated! Regards, Anna ==== SWITZERLAND Mailing List ==== Resource Site http://www.rootsweb.com/~chewgw

In a message dated 3/17/00 5:30:03 AM Eastern Standard Time, SWITZERLAND-D-request@rootsweb.com writes: << X-Message: #4 Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2000 20:00:50 -0500 From: "C. J. Lisa" <cjlisa@worldnet.att.net> To: SWITZERLAND-L@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <012001bf8fac$956f27e0$d0ad4e0c@default> Subject: Re: [SWITZ] census forms Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Thank you for your comments and information >> Yes, of course you are right, injustice and in equities by our ancestors should be addressed by us and our descendants. As a Swiss descendant, I guess the people of Rome owe me, as do the Germanic tribes, and lets not forget the Gauls. It is now believed that the Caucasians (white race) may have been the 1st people to locate in North America (based on bone fragments found in the western US), and they disappeared upon arrival of the Mongols from whom the American Indians are believed to have descended. Hmmm. Does this make Caucasians "Native Americans" and the Indians owe us too? Where does it stop, two generations from now, ten? I take responsibility myself not my ancestors. Shouldn't everyone? Sorry, You pumped me up again, lets forget this census thing and get back to genealogy.

Thanks for the recent thoughts on a translation phrase....... Perhaps someone on the Swiss board can shed some light on a problem we have. In 1852 in Tuscarawas Co, Ohio, an ancestor married a Catherine SAPEST in Fairfield County. My cousin has seen the hand-written marriage record and it seems clear and unambiguous SAPEST. We have performed surname searches in many major genealogical databases, including soundex searches, and have tried phonetic variations and can find no reference anywhere to this suaname or anything similar. My early imiigrant ancestors were from Bevilard, Switzerland, and were active in the Beersheba Moravian Church (Gernam speaking), so am wondering if SAPEST or anything close might be of Swiss origin. Any thoughts? Thanks...... have not participated much, but have greatly appreciated all of the input and interesting angles and views expressed herein. Good luck and good hunting! Rick Charpie surname AKA Charpier, Charpiez, Charpy, Sharpie, Sherpy, Charpia, Sharpee, Charpie (e-accent), Charpea, and possibly Charpilla.

Thank You Anna....as a Canadian doing Swiss research, the current American census is of little importance to me as well. ----- Original Message ----- From: Anna Rufer <rufer@xtra.co.nz> To: <SWITZERLAND-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, March 16, 2000 4:30 PM Subject: [SWITZ] Re: Census > Folks - > What has a present day (presumably USA) census got to do with a Switzerland > List?!!! > I have just downloaded 24 messages regarding it, all of which cost me money, > & not the slightest bit relevant to my Swiss research from New Zealand!! > Can we PLEASE keep to the subject! > Apologies if I am out of order here but I am a tad frustrated! > Regards, Anna > > > > > ==== SWITZERLAND Mailing List ==== > Resource Site > http://www.rootsweb.com/~chewgw > >

I also agree and I'm a U S Citizen with the long form. The census is not being taken for GENEALOGY. No matter what we may think. Jim Williamson -----Original Message----- From: rhnaylor <rhnaylor@email.msn.com> >I fully agree -- find one of the U.S. lists to talk about the U.S. census. > >----- Original Message ----- >From: Anna Rufer <rufer@xtra.co.nz> >To: <SWITZERLAND-L@rootsweb.com> >Sent: Thursday, March 16, 2000 7:30 PM >Subject: [SWITZ] Re: Census > > >> Folks - >> What has a present day (presumably USA) census got to do with a >Switzerland >> List?!!! >> I have just downloaded 24 messages regarding it, all of which cost me >money, >> & not the slightest bit relevant to my Swiss research from New Zealand!! >> Can we PLEASE keep to the subject! >> Apologies if I am out of order here but I am a tad frustrated! >> Regards, Anna >> >> >> >> >> ==== SWITZERLAND Mailing List ==== >> Resource Site >> http://www.rootsweb.com/~chewgw >> > > > >==== SWITZERLAND Mailing List ==== >Swiss Resource Site >http://swiss.genealogy.net > >

Two new links have been added to the Swiss Homepages. Both great sites. http://www.rootsweb.com/~chewgw/swhomepg.htm -- L. L. Scott, IBSSG L. L. Scott's Virtual Office: http://www.geocities.com/~llscott/ Peace: http://www.pcola.gulf.net/~llscott/peace.htm

Im American and the US Census is little importance to me anyway. Shalori -- We take on the strength of that which we overcome ---------- >From: "Shelley Gerig" <chuber@tbaytel.net> >To: SWITZERLAND-L@rootsweb.com >Subject: Re: [SWITZ] Re: Census >Date: Thu, Mar 16, 2000, 9:45 PM > > Thank You Anna....as a Canadian doing Swiss research, the current > American census is of little importance to me as well. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Anna Rufer <rufer@xtra.co.nz> > To: <SWITZERLAND-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Thursday, March 16, 2000 4:30 PM > Subject: [SWITZ] Re: Census > > >> Folks - >> What has a present day (presumably USA) census got to do with a > Switzerland >> List?!!! >> I have just downloaded 24 messages regarding it, all of which > cost me money, >> & not the slightest bit relevant to my Swiss research from New > Zealand!! >> Can we PLEASE keep to the subject! >> Apologies if I am out of order here but I am a tad frustrated! >> Regards, Anna >> >> >> >> >> ==== SWITZERLAND Mailing List ==== >> Resource Site >> http://www.rootsweb.com/~chewgw >> >> > > > ==== SWITZERLAND Mailing List ==== > Support RootsWeb! Help provide FREE genealogical resources on the > Internet: http://www.rootsweb.com/rootsweb/how-to-subscribe.html > >

Hi: I always thought that Canada learnt by "the states" mistakes. I thought that everyone would be interested in how to gather information and what information is interesting as well as important to future generations. Maybe I am wrong, but I really thought this. My Canadian relatives always point out the differences in the way governments handle things. I just wish we could give the US Gov't. back to the people and out of the politicians hands! Waldo

I fully agree -- find one of the U.S. lists to talk about the U.S. census. ----- Original Message ----- From: Anna Rufer <rufer@xtra.co.nz> To: <SWITZERLAND-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, March 16, 2000 7:30 PM Subject: [SWITZ] Re: Census > Folks - > What has a present day (presumably USA) census got to do with a Switzerland > List?!!! > I have just downloaded 24 messages regarding it, all of which cost me money, > & not the slightest bit relevant to my Swiss research from New Zealand!! > Can we PLEASE keep to the subject! > Apologies if I am out of order here but I am a tad frustrated! > Regards, Anna > > > > > ==== SWITZERLAND Mailing List ==== > Resource Site > http://www.rootsweb.com/~chewgw >

Thank you for your comments and information -- if that is the sample of the long form -- who needs it -- I wouldn't even answer most of those questions just on General Principle. What is that information relevant to? I could understand travel to work if there was some intent to institute public transportation where there is little or none. It's too bad that there is no explanation as to the questions asked. The last census was supposed to have been poorly gathered -- information was not accurate to say the least. Someone made a comment regarding the race question which I would like to also address -- what you need to realize is that government subsidy and funds to communities are based on income and race and age composition and it will continue to be this way. A lot of this was instituted as a result of the sixties and the funding that was not available especially for blacks and native Americans -- school lunch programs for children of families that could not afford it, seniors in need of additional income through jobs, etc. etc. I have worked in the non-profit sector and applications for grants were based on target communities and their needs, and statistical information is needed for support funds to be granted. Original Message ----- From: <Outriggger@aol.com> To: <SWITZERLAND-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, March 16, 2000 11:36 AM Subject: [SWITZ] census forms > Give me this, I waited days upon days reading the comments of those listers > disappointed with the short census form. And their points were well taken, > one and all. > However, permit me to make an observation. Though not to make a point, I > leave that to the individual reader. > Yesterday I went to a meeting that, because of its nature, attracted people > from all walks of life. A very broad spectrum of the residents of my mid-size > community. Two hundred and six individuals were in attendance. It was an > interesting meeting and no one left early. Toward the end, the subject of the > census forms was brought up. A lively discussion followed, but entirely > one-sided. Essentially the same points were made that I have seen made on the > List. And almost everyone was disappointed with the census form itself, > especially since the taxpayers paid for it. Not my point, although I agree. > Now for my observation. Before even one person left, a show-of-hands was > asked to indicate how many received the short form. Then the long form. > That's when things really picked up! It seems that 189 people got the short > forms, and only 17 got the long. Of the seventeen receiving the long forms, > nearly every one was known to oppose government intrusion in our everyday > lives, known to oppose the federal government's assumption of rights reserved > for the states, and known to oppose the continued growth of big government. > Each of the 17 long-formers was adament about their right to privacy. So > what's so different about the two forms? I don't know. I've not seen the > short form. But here are some of the questions the government wants to know > about those who received the long form. > Question 21. Last week, did this person do ANY work for either pay or profit? > Question 22. At what location did this person work LAST WEEK? > Question 23. How did this person usually get to work LAST WEEK? The choices > were: Car, truck or van; bus or trolley bus; streetcar or trolley car; subway > or elevated; railroad; ferryboat; taxicab; motorcycle; bicycle; walked; > worked at home; other. > Question 24. What time did this person usually leave home to go to work LAST > WEEK? > Question 31. Income in 1999. > a. Wages, salary, commissions, bonuses, or tips from all jobs. > b. Self-employment income. > c. Interest, dividends, net rental income, royalty income, or income from > estates and trusts. > d. Social Security or Railroad Retirement > e. Supplemental Security Income > f. Any public assistance or welfare payments from the state or local welfare > office > g. Retirement, survivor, or disability persions > h. Any other sources of income received regularly such as Veterans' (VA) > payments, unemployment compensation, child support, or alimony > Question 32. What was this person's total income in 1999? > Question 38. How many bedrooms do you have? > Question 45. What are the annual costs of utilities and fuels for THIS house, > apartment, or mobile home? > Question 47b. How much is your monthly mortgage payment on THIS property? > Question 48. Do you have a second mortgage or a home equity loan on THIS > property? > Question 50. What was the annual payment for fire, hazard, and flood > insurance on THIS property. > > What has this to do with genealogy? Plenty. Active measures are being pursued > in Switzerland and in Canada to restrict the public's access to vital and > personal records, which sharply curtail the activities of legitimate > researchers such as authors and genealogists. If this is made to apply to the > US in future years, the Federal Government will be the only one to possess > vital and personal records on individuals, and the possibility exists that > all vital and personal records accrued by the government will be adjudged off > limits to the public, including authors, genealogists and other legitimate > researchers. This, as in Switzerland, on the basis of personal privacy. > Genealogists should watch this trend carefully, and let their representatives > know when they feel the line is being crossed. If indeed it has not already. > One final note. The point was made at the meeting that perhaps those people > who value personal privacy also would be expected to avoid going to public > meetings such as this one. I think the point is valid. > > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== SWITZERLAND Mailing List ==== > Resource Site > http://www.rootsweb.com/~chewgw > >

Folks - What has a present day (presumably USA) census got to do with a Switzerland List?!!! I have just downloaded 24 messages regarding it, all of which cost me money, & not the slightest bit relevant to my Swiss research from New Zealand!! Can we PLEASE keep to the subject! Apologies if I am out of order here but I am a tad frustrated! Regards, Anna

Good Afternoon list members! I'm new to the list, And I am researching the BAUMBERGER family from Bern, Koppigen, Switzerland. Including parents & siblings of Rudolph Baumberger, b. 23 August 1877. Rudolph was the son of Jacob Baumberger & Susanna Katharina Rupp DOB's unknown. Through the LDS Research Center I have listing of siblings, Johnannes b. 1856, Magdelena b. 1857, Elise b. 1859, Elise b. 1862, Johannes b. 1865, Jakob b. 1867, Gottfried b. 1871 & Robert b. 1873. We believe there were more children but can't find evidence at this time. Rudolph Baumberger married Frieda Grimm of Zurich, Hinwil, Switzerland 10 November 1913, this was Rudolph's third marriage. We believe the first wife to have been named Elise ?? the second Adelia Litzkog? It was said she died during childbirth possibly around April 1908. Rudolph & and his Bride Frieda b. 1 October 1874 the daughter of Rudolf Grimm & Angelika Zimmerli (?) (Frieda had a brother named Emil Grimm) they married in Koppigen KA Bern in "Niedergerhafingen" (unsure what that means) this was stamped in the family Bible. The newly married Baumberger's with Walter the son from his second wife immigrated to the United States arriving in February 1914. They settled in the Parral, Tuscarawas County, Ohio Area where they raised 2 sons & 2 daughters. Emma, Charles, William & Frieda Rose, Walter was tragically killed 3 November 1914 after being struck by an automobile. This has been a very difficult family to research as there is little oral family history to go on. If any of these names sound familiar, I would appreciate any information. I have a bit of Baumberger/Grimm family since 1914 I will share. Thanks in advance!! ~ Cheri (Indiana, USA) cbaumberge@aol.com Researching: BAUMBERGER, BYRD, DEZARN, FAVORS, GRIMM, LEE, NEEL, ORR, PUCKETT, ROARK, ROBERTS, SINNETT, SKAGGS, SMITHHART, STEARMAN, SUBLETT, TURNER, TURNHAM, WHALEN, WOODARD, WOOTEN, YOUNG.

I have received no census even though all my neighbors have theirs. Have called the local census office and was told I could not ask for one until after March 22nd. No wonder families are missed! Sue

I haven't opened my census forms as of yet but it makes sense that since I received both of the forms long and short, I for one will fill out the short for the govt. and the long for family records. Bill

Hans, We can also use the modern term "vacherie" which means doing something to someone which is not nice. Actually if you do a "vacherie" to me, that means you have, let us say, "cut the grass from under me." (and much more). I hope that won't be the case. SMILE Jacques -----Original Message----- From: Hans R. Luginbuhl [SMTP:rudi@voicenet.com] Sent: 16. mars 2000 12:16 To: genrsch@gve.ch Subject: Re: [SWITZ] Translation Vacherie can be used to designate just the cow stable on a larger agricultural place and just for information ecurie (equus) is the horse stable. I in your case it is more likely dairy. hrl ----- Original Message ----- From: <genrsch@gve.ch> To: Sent: Thursday, March 16, 2000 3:24 AM Subject: RE: [SWITZ] Translation > Geneva, 16 March 2000. > > Dear Joy Wengerd, > > You asked about what is a "vacherie Starck." I believe that we are finding a > mixture of French and German which we often find "regional borders " of > Lorraine, Alsace and Switzerland when both languages were often mixed. A > "VACHERIE" is an old term that dates back to 1150. It means a herd of cattle > belonging to someone whose name is Starck. Stark in German means sombre, BTW. > > I remain at your entire disposition for any information you might want. > > Sincerely yours > > > Jacques de Guise > CEG / CGR / EIG > E-mail: genrsch@gve.ch > genrsch@correoweb.com > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Joy Wengerd [SMTP:jwengerd@valkyrie.net] > Sent: 16. mars 2000 01:08 > To: Subject: [SWITZ] Translation > > > I am also in need of a translation. From the year 1556, Moutier: "la vacherie > Starck". Could this be a place of employment, possibly something like a dairy > or dairy farm? Vacherie in modern terms translates as "nasty trick" which > makes no sense in this context. > My surnames are: Schaffter, Amiet, Saucy, Heche & Sauvain from Moutier > Grandval, Roche & Eschert. > Guerne and Voirol from Tavannes. > Many thanks, > Joy Schaffter Wengerd > > > ==== SWITZERLAND Mailing List ==== > Swiss Resource Site > http://swiss.genealogy.net > > > > ==== SWITZERLAND Mailing List ==== > Resource Site > http://www.rootsweb.com/~chewgw > >