Hello, I'm looking for information on the Aloysius Meisch/Miesch family, who emigrated from Switzerland around 1883 and settled in the Detroit, MI area. Aloysius married Elizabeth Hoffer/Hoffet before emigrating to the US. I would appreciate any information on this family and/or suggestions on how to obtain information on this family in Switzerland or in the US. Thanks for your consideration. James LeVeque [email protected] __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Health - Feel better, live better http://health.yahoo.com

My father had a Swiss friend named :Gouf(f) Rufli. Can any kind soul tell me more about that given name? Is it a contraction or what? TIA Gene Huber

What we call the Lutheran Church was generally known as the Evangelische Kirche. The Reformiert Church was Calvinist (based on Calvin's teachings). The differences were not great. Both were protestant and accepted each other's ordinances. In Germany and in the U.S. (among German speaking immigrants)and maybe in Switzerland, if a village had only a Lutheran Church, the local reformed protestants attended the Lutheran Church and received baptism, etc. from the Lutheran minister. The baptismal or marriage record often listed the fact that the person was reformed. If there was only a Reformed church then the local Luterans attended there. In the U.S. (at least) some churches were officially both religions combined. A large city, like Philadelphia, had separate Lutheran and Reformed churches. We traced my wife's ancestors to Reamstown, Pennsylvania where they attended a combined Lutheran/Reformed church in the late 1700's. Then we traced them to Gondelsheim, Baden-Wuerttemburg, Germany where they attended, for three generations, the only church in the small town which was a Lutheran (Evangelische) Church. Still they were always characterized as "reformiert". That, and other clues, led us to look for their origins in Switzerland. We have now found that the line went back to Muenchenbuchsee and Baetterkinden in Bern Canton. Near to Gondelsheim, the city of Weingarten had a reformed church. At that time, Weingarten may have only had a reformed church. Hugonauts where French Calvinists and therefore were considered reformed. Another group, the Waldensians (Waldenses in German and Vaudois in French), were descended from a group that broke from the Catholic Church a few hundred years earlier than the Lutherans and Calvinists. At one point they fled France into the alpine valleys of northwestern Italy. They fled there in 1685 at the same time the Hugonauts were fleeing France. A large group came to Switzerland and to Germany. Where there were concentrations, Waldensians had their own churches. Where they were scattered, I believe they also attended the local protestant church whether Lutheran or Calvinist. I have been told the difference between Lutheran and Calvinist but the theological details have fled from my mind. The practical details, as described above, are still there. Paul Rands near Portland, Oregon >From: "Jane T." <[email protected]> >Reply-To: "Jane T." <[email protected]> >To: [email protected] >Subject: [SWITZ] Reformiert church >Date: Sat, 3 Aug 2002 14:35:41 -0700 > >Was the Reformiert church in Switzerland equivalent to the US' Lutheran >church? If not, is there a Protestant sect which it most resembles? > >Jane in AZ > > >==== SWITZERLAND Mailing List ==== >Swiss Resource Site >http://swiss.genealogy.net _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx

Dear Fellow Sleuths, I am trying to find information on the Altstatt family, I know the spelling could vary. I was told they came from Alstatten Switzerland. Does anyone have any info on this ?? Thank you very much for any help, Judy Seversen

Was the Reformiert church in Switzerland equivalent to the US' Lutheran church? If not, is there a Protestant sect which it most resembles? Jane in AZ

I am seeking information on the above two families born in Switzerland. Charles-Henri Dellenbach married Marie-Therese Repond in Neuchatel in 1905. They had 3 children Fernand,John Paul and Charles. In 1913 they migrated to Sydney, Australia. Charles Henri was born in 1879 in Neuchatel and Marie Therese was born in La Chaux de fonds in 1885. Any information would be greatly appreciated.

Tony and List: This "easy" search is pretty much only for Kt. Uri. The Stammbuch von Uri and its numbering system was prepared over a period of 100 years by 3 different researchers. I have found that my searches of registers from other cantons has not been so easy. I have searched Catholic and Reformed records for areas of canton Berne, and for Porrentruy, in mostly French speaking areas, and there was no numbering system for them. I have my WALKERS back tentatively to the 1600s. However I was told by the archivist at Altdorf last summer when I was in Uri, that the earlier records are largely based on oral tradition, and there is no documentation. I have now to go the FHL films of the church registers of Uri and double check who is child of whom. I have many WALKERS marrying other WALKERS in my line. The majority of my WALKER families were from the Gurtnellen area. Last summer during my visit, I was able through someone who remembered my grandmother's family, to meet some cousins of my mother's who were in their 80s and who remembered my grandmother's and mother's visit to Switzerland in 1925. I would never have found them by myself as there are hundreds of WALKERS in and from Uri. They were very pleased that someone from America remembered the family in Switzerland. Beautiful, beautiful country and people. Hope I can go over again someday. Other names in my WALKER line are: TRESCH, BAUMANN, INDERGAND, DITTLI, FURGER, YOST, ZGRAGGEN, (and possibly ZWYSSIG from 1589), all old Urner names. Regards, "rwalker" >Tony Flecklin wrote: > It has been voiced many times to check the FHL microfilms on a > surname to see what has been collected. Maybe some people are not > completely familiar as to what some of the microfilmed records > contain. The following example of an actual entry could be of > some help. This entry has been translated from the German Script > (to the best of my ability) of one of my distant relative. > - - - - - - - - > This is taken from the Stammbuch/Stammregister of the Ziegler > Familie from Kt. Uri. Remember that all children (male and female) > are listed with their parents. Only the male who marries continues on > with the surname. Married females will appear with their husband's > family surname. > > This is the first line: > " 50 29b Balz (Bauen) u. Anna Josefa Imhof 28 VI 1781 " > Explanation: The 50th recorded Ziegler male to be married is the > 2nd (b) child of parents listed at #29. His name is Balz > (Balthasar) from Bauen and he married (u.) Anna Josefa Imhof on 28 > July 1781.

I am a new lister and find this board very interesting and informative. Now I have a question about a site I found.The original site is www.swissgenealogie.ch/GHGZ/hilfsmittel/register/ahnennamen.htm. It seems to be a genealogy society in Zurich. I used www.systranbox.com/box (great site) to translate it from German, but I am confused. The following is the information in which I am interested, but don't know what I'm supposed to do with! Local register of the GHGZ ancestor lists 47-45 Nuglar-St. Pantaleon SO Gaugler, Anna Barbara 47-44 Nuglar-St. Pantaleon SO Hofmeier, Josef 47-22 Nuglar-St. Pantaleon SO Hofmeier, Karl 47-11 Nuglar-St. Pantaleon SO Hofmeier, Theresia Is this a list of who can assist with research? If so, how would I contact them? I hope someone can help me. Diane

Hello, I am a new lister. I am trying to trace back from my grandparents who came from Lauterbrunnen in Bernese Oberland. My grandfather was called Frederich Pfister born Dec 1897 married Margherita Stager (umlaut on 'a'), she was born June, 1906. I only know that Frederich's father was called Rudolph and that he married twice, his first wife having died. My grandmother Margherita Stager, I only know that her mother was called Maria Von Allmen and her father Fritz Stager. Marie had one sister i know called Margherita born 1879. Any help or point in the right direction would be most appreciated. Many thanks Helen

Greetings, It has been voiced many times to check the FHL microfilms on a surname to see what has been collected. Maybe some people are not completely familiar as to what some of the microfilmed records contain. The following example of an actual entry could be of some help. This entry has been translated from the German Script (to the best of my ability) of one of my distant relative. - - - - - - - - This is taken from the Stammbuch/Stammregister of the Ziegler Familie from Kt. Uri. Remember that all children (male and female) are listed with their parents. Only the male who marries continues on with the surname. Married females will appear with their husband's family surname. This is the first line: " 50 29b Balz (Bauen) u. Anna Josefa Imhof 28 VI 1781 " Explanation: The 50th recorded Ziegler male to be married is the 2nd (b) child of parents listed at #29. His name is Balz (Balthasar) from Bauen and he married (u.) Anna Josefa Imhof on 28 July 1781. This is the second line: " 85 a. Josef Franz, Aloisia Enderlin, Martin Anton u. Margret Walker , Geb 2 VI 1784, Verh 20 I 1812" Explanation: Josef Franz, the 1st child (a) is the 85th recorded Ziegler to be married. The wife is Aloisia Enderlin, the daughter of Martin Anton (Enderlin) and Margret Walker. Josef Franz was born 2 June 1784 and married on 20 January 1812. (Added, note the wife's maiden name Walker) As you can see, you now have 3 generations at #s 29, 50 and 85 of this direct lineage. Were you to view the complete film you would now have 7 generations (starting in 1655) and it only reflects up to 1812. The film goes to 1934. You will note that with the #'s shown, you can go directly to the next generation or back to the previous. Now, try this on your own. This is Balz and Anna's 9th (i) child: " 88 i Jos Alderich (Bauen) + 13.6.1869 u. Kath Barb Zurfluh , Jos Ant u. Mar Ana Bauer geb 23 XII 1800, Verh 10 V 1830" - - - - - - The FHL microfilm for the above Familie (Ziegler) also contains other family names also. I don't have the film but I do remember that there were about 10 different names included. The names are in alphabetical order in this case ending with Zwissig. Since Ziegler is my Grandmother's maiden name (dad's mother), I obtained a hard copy of the Ziegler Stammregister from the Archiv in Kt. Uri (Altdorf). Cost was about $2 a page for about 105 pages. Enjoy your research into your family history. Anton "Tony" Flecklin Louisiana

Knoxville's later naturalization records have been microfilmed (after 1891), but not the time period you need. Naturalizations would be filed where he lived. He had to do 2 filings, first one is Intent to Seek Citizenship, second one, some 5 years later would be Naturalization. Regional archives, national archives, or district court are logical places to look for naturalizations. But of course not all immigrants were naturalized. Look under all the variant spellings of Smith, including Smith. If he's using Samuel L. Smith in the 1820 Census, it might show up that way in Naturalization. Problem is, though, that he can file those papers ANYWHERE ... usually they did it where they lived, usually Federal District Court or Circuit Court...but if the family was traveling, the filing could be anywhere. Good luck. Ruth At 08:01 PM 8/2/2002 -0600, you wrote: >______________________________X-Message: #1 >Date: Fri, 2 Aug 2002 09:15:19 EDT >From: [email protected] >To: [email protected] >Message-ID: <[email protected]> >Subject: [SWITZ] Samuel L. Smith. >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" >Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > >Thank you, Ruth. > >He was in Knoxville, TN in 1820......So maybe the FHC library has >naturalizations papers. Am thinking it wasnt mandatory then, though. > >Kathryn Great lines people have really said: "It's no exaggeration to say that the undecideds could go one way or another," -- George Bush, US President "If we don't succeed, we run the risk of failure." -- Bill Clinton, US President "The loss of life will be irreplaceable." -- Dan Quayle, US Vice President "It isn't pollution that's harming the environment. It's the impurities in our air and water that are doing it." -- Al Gore, US Vice President

[email protected]: Searching for home villages and Parental family data of BALTHASAR CLAR (Claar); born akt. 1660-1663 Canton Bern, Switzerland; died Feb. 26, 1703 Mimbach, Krs. Webenheim/Saarland; married (1) Unknown--; married (2) Jan. 14, 1698 as Widower in the Ref. Church at Mimbach, Germany, ELISABETHA (Hussong) WOLF; b. 1662; d. 1713 (51 Years) at Mimbach, dau. of Anthoni Hussong, Judge to Mimbach & Catharina Unknown; d. Dec. 1699 (66 Years) at Mimbach. First wife bore Balthasar 6 children: Hans J.; Caspar; Heinrich; Joh. Peter; Rudolf H.; & Anna. Elisabetha bore Balthasar 2 children: Joh. Jakob (b. 11-16-1698; Bapt. 11-23-1698 Ref. Church at Mimbach, Saar; Desc's, Joh. SIMON & Barbara, who arrived alone aboard Ship Samuel, Dec. 3, 1740 at Phila., PA., and were Indentured, since their Parents died aboard ship and were Buried at sea enroute to America) & Maria Margaretha Clar. Any data would be gracious appreciate JOHN A. MEHRING 28 Tree Top Trail, Fairfield, PA 17320-8237 E-MAIL: [email protected]

Dear Nancy - I suggest you focus your search for WARTH on Canton Glarus. The FNB lists a WARTH citizenship granted in Schwanden, Canton Glarus in 1760 (the oldest reference for the WARTH name), originating from Germany. Also in Canton Glarus there is a village just north of Schwanden named Ennenda, which I believe is the Eumarda of your post to the list. The Ragula Tahudi you list I believe would actually be Regula TSCHUDI (in both Schwanden and Ennenda from before 1800), both fairly common Glarner names. If the date 1933 is accurate, lucky you! you have a good chance of being able to find living relatives of the 1933 immigrants! I suspect your biggest hurdle would be getting such recent records, which I believe would be considered very private by the Swiss. Perhaps your best bet would be using the phone book and the postal address books and writing any existing Warths or Tschudis (though there may be too many!) in Schwanden and Ennenda. Maybe someone else on the list can tell us whether the Swiss newspapers are likely to publish an advertisement for lost relatives if you place one. Once you make the connection to more recent times, it is fairly easy to trace a genealogy back to 1760 through the excellent records at the Glarus archive. Good luck! Dana Durst Lawrence

Correction of website: Dear Hilary and Kathryn! I left out the all important "CH" in the address below. Now it ought to work. Please amend and forgive. Hanneli ----- Original Message ----- From: guy grenny <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, August 02, 2002 10:40 AM Subject: Re: [SWITZ] Samuel L. Smith. > Dear Kathryn! > For a starter you > -could click on SwissGenNews; > http://www.eye.ch/swissgen/news-m.htm > > - pick "22 July 2022: Canton Aargau: Summary of Church Records filmed > by LDS." > -Click on LDS. > Of course you'd have to order and view any of those microfilms at your > nearest LDS Family History Center. Check in "Familysearch.org for > your nearest FHC. > >

Dear Kathryn! For a starter you -could click on SwissGenNews; http://www.eye.swissgen/news-m.htm - pick "22 July 2022: Canton Aargau: Summary of Church Records filmed by LDS." -Click on LDS. Of course you'd have to order and view any of those microfilms at your nearest LDS Family History Center. Check in "Familysearch.org for your nearest FHC. Since you have a Schmid / Schmied /Schmidt to contend with, ( you poor thing ;-), you will certainly have to do a lot of verifying through "maiden names of wives/mothers" etc. to get on the right track. Hopefully among those will be some unusual surnames! Hanneli ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, August 02, 2002 9:50 AM Subject: Re: [SWITZ] Samuel L. Smith. > Hello Hanneli > > > Thank you for your response. Yes, it definitely seems that either SCHMID, > SCHMIDT, or SCHMIED would have been his name. He was born in Aargua Canton, > Switzerland in 1800. Any other suggestions ?? > > > Kathryn

Hello Everyone: I have been trying for some time to access the query page at the Swiss Surname Directory site, but always get the message that the website is not responding. Does anyone know anything about this? (Sorry if info was already posted about this, and I missed it!) Thank you. Paul C. Miller

The Swiss Surname Directory (SSD) is still off-line due to PC server and software incompatibilities from the switchover from simplenet to yahoo (something we could not prevent). We had hoped to re-write the software and find a new home (place where the software and database reside) for it, but have been unable to do so thus far. We are cautiously optimistic that by October or November we can have the issues resolved. If you have a server that could be the new home of SSD, please contact me offline to discuss the appropriate software needed to be on the server. Thanks for your patience, Dave Schmutz SSD admin. -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Friday, August 02, 2002 8:37 AM To: [email protected] Subject: [SWITZ] Swiss Surname Directory Hello Everyone: I have been trying for some time to access the query page at the Swiss Surname Directory site, but always get the message that the website is not responding. Does anyone know anything about this? (Sorry if info was already posted about this, and I missed it!) Thank you. Paul C. Miller

Thank you, Ruth. He was in Knoxville, TN in 1820......So maybe the FHC library has naturalizations papers. Am thinking it wasnt mandatory then, though. Kathryn

Volume 1 of Germans to America begins in 1850, at least the one in my library does. I have ancestors who are supposedly born in both Germany and Switzerland, the same people. In one case, she was born in a town on the border, but apparently lived in Switzerland. In another case it looks like sloppy clerical work on the part of a court house clerk. Where did he immigrate to? Have you tried his naturalization records? Ruth At 06:02 PM 8/1/2002 -0600, you wrote: >______________________________X-Message: #2 >Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2002 08:38:41 EDT >From: [email protected] >To: [email protected] >Message-ID: <[email protected]> >Subject: [SWITZ] Germans to America lookup request >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" >MIME-Version: 1.0 >Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > >Hello. > >Can some nice someone here do a lookup for Samuel L. Smith, Jr.? He was >supposed to have emigrated from Switzerland to the US approximately 1819. I >have some information that says he was born in Switzerland and a U. S. Census >that says he was born in Germany. > >Any help would be vastly appreciated. > >Kathryn Great lines people have really said: "It's no exaggeration to say that the undecideds could go one way or another," -- George Bush, US President "If we don't succeed, we run the risk of failure." -- Bill Clinton, US President "The loss of life will be irreplaceable." -- Dan Quayle, US Vice President "It isn't pollution that's harming the environment. It's the impurities in our air and water that are doing it." -- Al Gore, US Vice President

He probably did not unsubscribe from this list while he is on vacation, but set his email for vacation setting and it's automatically sending that message out when it recieves an email from the list. The proper etiquette, I'm told, is to unsub from rootsweb lists when one is gone more than a few days, and to resubscribe upon return. To block them you would have to figure out how to ban that man's address from reaching you. In most ISP mail programs there is a way to do that -- I know how to do it in aol and attbi, but not in yours. Maybe your help file? Ruth At 06:02 PM 8/1/2002 -0600, you wrote: >______________________________X-Message: #9 >Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2002 14:21:21 -0500 >From: "R & M Gallagher" <[email protected]> >To: [email protected] >Message-Id: <[email protected]> >Subject: [SWITZ] Daniel Hunziker >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 >MIME-Version: 1.0 >Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit > >Listers.... > >I think I've figured out that every time I send a message to this list, I >get this horrid repeat message from Daniel Hunziker. Any ideas of how I >can block them? > >Thanks..... >Marjorie Gallagher >a computer novice Great lines people have really said: "It's no exaggeration to say that the undecideds could go one way or another," -- George Bush, US President "If we don't succeed, we run the risk of failure." -- Bill Clinton, US President "The loss of life will be irreplaceable." -- Dan Quayle, US Vice President "It isn't pollution that's harming the environment. It's the impurities in our air and water that are doing it." -- Al Gore, US Vice President