Here is a link for the history of protestantism and the reformation in Switzerland. A lot of information on Zwingli. Written by J. A. Wylie 1808-1890 -- this is Volume 1 Book 8 portion that covers Switzerland only. The entire collection is online here. http://www.whatsaiththescripture.com/Voice/History.Protestant.v1.b8.html Claire ----- Original Message ----- From: "guy grenny" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, August 03, 2002 9:58 PM Subject: [SWITZ] Reformierte Kirche (protestant church) Here are my two cents worth on the subject: Growing up in the Swissgerman speaking region of Switzerland, the two main churches were always and still are the Reformierte and the Katholische Kirche. (we use the terms "reformiert" and protestantisch" interchangeably.) In some regions the protestants were in the majority, in others the catholics. Still are. The Swissgerman speaking area was almost exclusively influenced and led by Ulrich Zwingli, the Swiss reformator. His base was in Zürich. At Zwingli's death, the Bremgarten /AG theologian Heinrich Bullinger took over the fight for reformation and [my history book says] that at his death he left a "unified and strengthened Reformierte Kirche", having accomplished a peaceful understanding between the western Swiss reformators Calvin and Farel (1549 "Consensus Tigurinus"). (I assume that means that they agreed to coexist peaceably). But he was unable to achieve the same understanding with the Lutherans. The Calvinists prospered in the French speaking regions of Switzerland, Geneva being headquarters. In the shadows of the United Nations' Building in Geneva is a beautiful park with statues of all the reformators. (I wouldn't be surprised if they were sculpted by the famous Rhodin? How about it, Jacques?) Very interesting. They were brave men. Hanneli ----- Original Message ----- From: Paul Rands <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, August 03, 2002 4:38 PM Subject: Re: [SWITZ] Reformiert church > What we call the Lutheran Church was generally known as the Evangelische > Kirche. The Reformiert Church was Calvinist (based on Calvin's teachings). > The differences were not great. Both were protestant and accepted each > ==== SWITZERLAND Mailing List ==== Going on vacation? Gone longer than 4 days? Go to http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/CHE/SWITZERLAND.html to unsubscribe

SWISS GENEALOGY ON THE INTERNET : Bürgerbuch St.Gallen (Index)Dear Wolf! Dear Wolf, a patron (Gretchen Martin) of our FHC here in littl'old Fort Bragg wants to research the familytree of her son-in-law, Anton HILBER of Flawil, SG (m. to her American daughter, Adriane Martin). The father's name is Martin HILBER. Where would she start? I'm not posting these 2 Swiss names, since they are both living. On your St. Gallen Bürgernamenbuch we only find "Hidber, Hiebner, Hiller, Heller". Any advice? Thanks, Wolf. Gretchen and Hanneli ----- Original Message ----- From: Gretchen Ellis Martin To: guy grenny Sent: Friday, August 02, 2002 10:23 AM Subject: Re: SWISS GENEALOGY ON THE INTERNET Bürgerbuch St.Gallen (Index) Hanna, Thanks for the website. I sent it to my son-in-law, Anton Hilber, son of Martin Hilber. The place of origin is Flawil, SG.

I got interested in it when my Father began looking for his mother and father. Can anyone help me on some information concerning the SURNAME "Bernhardt"? My father's name is: Harry Joseph Bernhardt Jr. My Grandfather's name is: Herman Harry Bernhardt Sr., Born in New York. (Wife)-Missouri Sarah Chesser, Born in Alabama My Great Grandfather's name is: Edward ( T.) Bernhardt, (Wife) unknown Both of my Grandfather's parents were born in Switzerland. We believe they lived near the Mosel River. We believe they came to America from Switzerland and stayed in the New York area, since my father's father was born in NY, DOB- April 9, 1854. In the 1886 city directory, Jefferson County, Louisville, KY, Herman Bernhardt, Mus. Instr. 1890 city directory, NY City, Edward Bernhardt, Mus. Inst. 166 E. 4th. 1890 city directory, Baltimore, MD, Herman Bernhardt, Mus. Inst. 1105 W. Baltimore. 1901 city directory, Herman Bernhardt, Mus. Instr., 812 W. Baltimore. 1909 city directory, Baltimore, MD, Herman Bernhardt, Mus. Inst., 760 W. Baltimore-h, do. 1918, 1920, 1922, 1924, city directory, Mobile, AL, Harry H. Bernhardt, Violoin Maker, Piano tuner, 557 Dauphin H., do 1924, city directory, Macon, GA, Harry H. (w) Missouri, Piano tuner, 607 Georgia Avenue. Other relatives may include: Mollie Bernhardt - daughter - Louisville, KY, Erie, PA Jacob and Mary Bernhardt - Louisville, KY, Brooklyn, NY Samuel Bernhardt - Baltimore, MD Suresch Bernhardt - Baltimore, MD Senia Bernhardt - Erie, PA Moritz Bernhardt - Baltimore, MD also in Mus. Instr. Senia Bernhardt - Erie, PA Lizzie Bernhardt - Erie, PA Herman Harry was a Violin maker and later Piano tuner. He also made tiny furniture for doll houses. My father was born in Mobile, AL. His mother's name is Sarah Missouri Chesser Bernhardt. We know that he had a Aunt named Molly Wade and she was the area of Baltimore, MD., and a daughter Mollie Bernhardt. Any information out there would be appreciated. Thanks Marian Thomas Administrative Coordinator Department of Cellular Biology Phone: 706-542-3373 Fax: 706-542-4271

> Von: Margaret H Foight [mailto:[email protected]] > Gesendet: Sonntag, 4. August 2002 22:17 > > I was going to send this directly to Wolf S. however, after thinking > about the fact that others might like the answer to the > question, here it is. One way to make sure I respond ;-)) Good idea - I would just prefer if not too many listers copy this procedure - Peggy has the copyright on it ;-)! > I have pulled some addresses Switzerland from the white > pages. I'm not sure how the address should appear coming > from the U.S. I have changed the names and numbers just > for privacy although anyone can pull them. > > Example: xxxx (name) Häusli, ch. de l'Esplanade xx (number), (Genève) > 1214 Vernier > > Should this appear as > Frau xxx Haeusli (umlauted a) > ch. de l'Esplanade xx > 1214 Vernier, Geneva > Switzerland > > Please correct it if I have it wrong. Thanks. These letters should arrive for sure! Just two minor comments: 1. As this one is addressed to the French speaking part of Switzerland, you may wannt to replace "Frau" by "Madame". 2. The "Geneva" is the canton - not really necessary (as the zip code 1214 is given), but if mentioned, usually in the abbreviated format as "GE". Again - this is only to convert a good address into a perfect one. Good luck with your letters - Wolf > Peggy Foight > *************************************************** > QUILTERS ARE SCRAPPY PEOPLE 8-]]] > My paternal family: http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Pointe/5096 > Felix - Ulrich - Joachim - Heinrich Haeusli - Johan George - Elias - > Chauncey - Frederic Heasley > > ==== SWITZERLAND Mailing List ==== > Swiss Resource Site > http://swiss.genealogy.net

Does anyone on the list know what this word is? Polizeydiener The "y" has two dots above it. Thank you, in advance!

>Is he of GILIGEN's Island fame? What do you know? >Walter That Gilligan, and would be over at the Irish genealogical mailing list. Anyway, although I don't know German, I think the last syllable of the two names are pronounced very differently. Dale > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: <[email protected]> >To: <[email protected]> >Sent: Sunday, August 04, 2002 5:20 AM >Subject: [SWITZ] GILIGEN family > > >> Hi, could someone please tell me if they have anything >> on the GILIGEN family in terms of the canton(s) and >> village(s) where it might have originated from in >> Switzerland? I have seen a deed from Lancaster County, >> Pennsylvania which states that someone with this surname >> was to come from Bern Canton to Pennsylvania, and I'm >> trying to associate his point of origin with the person >> who bought land in America on his behalf. >> >> Thanks, >> >> Dale Bricker > > > > > > ==== SWITZERLAND Mailing List ==== > > Swiss Resource Site > > http://swiss.genealogy.net > > > >

Hard to say! Could be that he called his friend "Goepf" (sounds very much alike),which is a nickname for Gottfried. Walter ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, August 03, 2002 2:40 PM Subject: [SWITZ] Swiss given names. > My father had a Swiss friend named :Gouf(f) Rufli. > Can any kind soul tell me more about that given name? Is it a contraction or > what? > TIA > Gene Huber > > > ==== SWITZERLAND Mailing List ==== > Swiss Resource Site > http://swiss.genealogy.net > >

Hi Dale, You might want to consider that the Swiss spelling, especially if from Canton Bern as you mention, was GILGEN or GILGIEN rather than GILIGEN. Those are the two spellings in the 1798 *Men of Bern.* http://www.pictonpress.com/Swiss_Surnames.htm I have not researched my GILGEN line, the only name I having on it being the marriage of Benedict TRACHSEL to Anna GILGEN in 1634 at Thurnen (Muehlethuren), Canton Bern. I don't have a list of where the name held citizenship, but someone can probably provide that. I have seen the name in records of most of the villages south of the city of Bern, i.e. , Rueegisberg, Belp, Muehlethuren/Thurnen, Wattenwil, etc. Rick Saunders

> Von: Winters [mailto:[email protected]] > Gesendet: Samstag, 3. August 2002 20:48 > An: [email protected] > > I am a new lister and find this board very interesting and > informative. Now I have a question about a site I found.The > original site is > www.swissgenealogie.ch/GHGZ/hilfsmittel/register/ahnennamen.htm > It seems to be a genealogy society in Zurich. I used > www.systranbox.com/box (great site) to translate it from > German, but I am confused. The following is the information > in which I am interested, but don't know what I'm supposed to do with! > > Local register of the GHGZ ancestor lists > 47-45 Nuglar-St. Pantaleon SO Gaugler, Anna Barbara > 47-44 Nuglar-St. Pantaleon SO Hofmeier, Josef > 47-22 Nuglar-St. Pantaleon SO Hofmeier, Karl > 47-11 Nuglar-St. Pantaleon SO Hofmeier, Theresia > Is this a list of who can assist with research? If so, how > would I contact them? I hope someone can help me. > Diane Dear Diane, true - GHGZ stands for "Genealogische Heraldische Gesellschaft Zuerich", i.e. the Zuerich genealogical society; unfortunately their pages are in German only (to date), but you'll find some very basic contact info (described in English) on http://www.swissgenealogie.ch/ver/zhinfo-e.htm The list you mention refers to a very nice collection of genealogies compiled by Mario von Moos on the occasion of their 75th anniversary: 88 of their members had submitted the first 6 geneartions of their ancestors: http://www.swissgenealogie.ch/GHGZ/hilfsmittel/buch.htm There are two indices - one by names and one by locations (which is the one you had looked at) - but unfortunately there is no link back from the index pages to the actual book, which makes things a bit confusing if you just find the index page via a search engine (which is why I cc their webmaster on this). What all listings have in common is "47" at the beginning - so I'm pretty sure this will refer to their member "47" in the list: you best contact the society and ask if they could give you address detail for this person, in order to get in touch with her/him directly. The number after the hyphen will be the "Kekule number", the most widely used numbering system used in German speaking parts of the world. It would be too extensive to explain it here in detail - but e.g. 11 Theresia Hofmeier would be the daughter of 22 Karl Hofmeier, who would be the son of 44 Josef Hofmeier and his wife 45 Anna Barbara Gaugler. All these people were citizens of Nuglar-St.Pantaleon in canton Solothurn. So if "your" Gaugler were also from Nuglar-St.Pantaleon it certainly would be worthwhile to contact the submitter; on the other hand, Gaugler were also long established families (i.e. prior to 1800) in several other Solothurn communities. Best regards - Wolf __________________ Wolf Seelentag, Ph.D. Reherstr. 19 CH - 9016 St.Gallen +41 (0) 71 - 288 51 21 [email protected]

I was going to send this directly to Wolf S. however, after thinking about the fact that others might like the answer to the question, here it is. I have pulled some addresses Switzerland from the white pages. I'm not sure how the address should appear coming from the U.S. I have changed the names and numbers just for privacy although anyone can pull them. Example: xxxx (name) Häusli, ch. de l'Esplanade xx (number), (Genève) 1214 Vernier Should this appear as Frau xxx Haeusli (umlauted a) ch. de l'Esplanade xx 1214 Vernier, Geneva Switzerland Please correct it if I have it wrong. Thanks. Peggy Foight *************************************************** QUILTERS ARE SCRAPPY PEOPLE 8-]]] My paternal family: http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Pointe/5096 Felix - Ulrich - Joachim - Heinrich Haeusli - Johan George - Elias - Chauncey - Frederic Heasley

I am looking for Martin Gaby (Gabi) born 1742. I'm told it is a Swiss name. He or his parents immigrated to Pennsylvania where he became ver;y active in the Brethren ministry from 1766 on. Are there any Gaby (Gabi, Gauby) families who might know what area my Gaby might have lived in Switzerland?

In my Luchsinger history, it is written that my ancestors were evangelical reformiert. What is the difference, between this and just reformed? They attended the church in Matt, canton Glarus. Thanks for any input! Lisa Luchsinger Swovick Rochester, New York

My thanks to everyone who jumped in to discuss info about the Reformiert church. I barely knew what I was asking, so I really have a clearer idea about it now. The only reason I chose the Lutheran church for comparison was because my ggfa attended that church once he immigrated to the US in 1865. Once again, thanks to all. Jane in AZ

Is he of GILIGEN's Island fame? What do you know? Walter ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, August 04, 2002 5:20 AM Subject: [SWITZ] GILIGEN family > Hi, could someone please tell me if they have anything > on the GILIGEN family in terms of the canton(s) and > village(s) where it might have originated from in > Switzerland? I have seen a deed from Lancaster County, > Pennsylvania which states that someone with this surname > was to come from Bern Canton to Pennsylvania, and I'm > trying to associate his point of origin with the person > who bought land in America on his behalf. > > Thanks, > > Dale Bricker > > > ==== SWITZERLAND Mailing List ==== > Swiss Resource Site > http://swiss.genealogy.net > >

I have some distant kin from about 1560 - 1671 are later and I was told they was from Kappel, Canton of St. Gall, Switzerland and their Religion was rf reformiert. Some of them came to South Carolina in 1735 and they started their own church. They did not have Baptist, Methodist are others. What were they? Thank you: Charles Felder

No, the Refomed Church never appears as a Lutheran Church, although they may have shared services in the same building The Reformed Church has joined with the Congregational Church in New England and two smalled churches out west to become The United Church of Christ. This denomination, called the UCC, is about tenth in size in this country. Anne ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jane T." <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, August 03, 2002 5:35 PM Subject: [SWITZ] Reformiert church > Was the Reformiert church in Switzerland equivalent to the US' Lutheran church? If not, is there a Protestant sect which it most resembles? > > Jane in AZ > > > ==== SWITZERLAND Mailing List ==== > Swiss Resource Site > http://swiss.genealogy.net >

I do agree with everything that Paul has written, except that the Reformed Church was formed by Ulrich Zwingli in Switzerland. As a Swiss-German County in North Carolina, we had many joint Lutheran and Reformed churches. However, Zwingli and Luther could not agree on communion. The Reformed Church in America welcomes all to communion and takes the bread and wine "in memory of the body and blood of Christ". The Lutherans differ on their view of communion. There was a great friendship between the two churches, and they intermarried and stood as godparents to each other's children. To call a Reformed a "Calvinist" would be fighting words . It is true that the English and Scots-Irish clerks of court would record some Union churches, as "Lutheran and Presbyterian" leading many researchers to a false conclusion, and Reformed churches will sometimes appear in books as Presbyterian. It is true that the Presbyterian and Refomred Church use the same form of worship and the same hymn book. Anne ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Rands" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, August 03, 2002 7:38 PM Subject: Re: [SWITZ] Reformiert church > What we call the Lutheran Church was generally known as the Evangelische > Kirche. The Reformiert Church was Calvinist (based on Calvin's teachings). > The differences were not great. Both were protestant and accepted each > other's ordinances. In Germany and in the U.S. (among German speaking > immigrants)and maybe in Switzerland, if a village had only a Lutheran > Church, the local reformed protestants attended the Lutheran Church and > received baptism, etc. from the Lutheran minister. The baptismal or > marriage record often listed the fact that the person was reformed. If > there was only a Reformed church then the local Luterans attended there. In > the U.S. (at least) some churches were officially both religions combined. > A large city, like Philadelphia, had separate Lutheran and Reformed > churches. > > We traced my wife's ancestors to Reamstown, Pennsylvania where they attended > a combined Lutheran/Reformed church in the late 1700's. Then we traced them > to Gondelsheim, Baden-Wuerttemburg, Germany where they attended, for three > generations, the only church in the small town which was a Lutheran > (Evangelische) Church. Still they were always characterized as > "reformiert". That, and other clues, led us to look for their origins in > Switzerland. We have now found that the line went back to Muenchenbuchsee > and Baetterkinden in Bern Canton. Near to Gondelsheim, the city of > Weingarten had a reformed church. At that time, Weingarten may have only > had a reformed church. > > Hugonauts where French Calvinists and therefore were considered reformed. > Another group, the Waldensians (Waldenses in German and Vaudois in French), > were descended from a group that broke from the Catholic Church a few > hundred years earlier than the Lutherans and Calvinists. At one point they > fled France into the alpine valleys of northwestern Italy. They fled there > in 1685 at the same time the Hugonauts were fleeing France. A large group > came to Switzerland and to Germany. Where there were concentrations, > Waldensians had their own churches. Where they were scattered, I believe > they also attended the local protestant church whether Lutheran or > Calvinist. > > I have been told the difference between Lutheran and Calvinist but the > theological details have fled from my mind. The practical details, as > described above, are still there. > > Paul Rands > near Portland, Oregon > > >From: "Jane T." <[email protected]> > >Reply-To: "Jane T." <[email protected]> > >To: [email protected] > >Subject: [SWITZ] Reformiert church > >Date: Sat, 3 Aug 2002 14:35:41 -0700 > > > >Was the Reformiert church in Switzerland equivalent to the US' Lutheran > >church? If not, is there a Protestant sect which it most resembles? > > > >Jane in AZ > > > > > >==== SWITZERLAND Mailing List ==== > >Swiss Resource Site > >http://swiss.genealogy.net > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: > http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx > > > ==== SWITZERLAND Mailing List ==== > Resource Site > http://www.rootsweb.com/~chewgw > >

Hi, could someone please tell me if they have anything on the GILIGEN family in terms of the canton(s) and village(s) where it might have originated from in Switzerland? I have seen a deed from Lancaster County, Pennsylvania which states that someone with this surname was to come from Bern Canton to Pennsylvania, and I'm trying to associate his point of origin with the person who bought land in America on his behalf. Thanks, Dale Bricker

Dear rnwalker, May be worth your while to get hold of the seminal book on the Göschenertal region of Uri by Georg Kaufmann of Zürich. Of the 1,000+ books in my personal library, this is by far the best bound. In its 324 pages, it manages to cover just about every aspect of GöschenerAlp, Gwüest, Hinter Alp and one or two other valley hamlets. It covers the interlocking family ancestries of the region back into the mid-1600's, Walkers, Baumanns, Furgers, Dittlis and others included. Plus lots of grrrrrreat pics. If interested, it can be ordered thru: ===== Verlag Gisler CH-6460 Altdorf Switzerland/ Schweiz 011 041 874 16 (dial direct) ===== Can't remember the price, Sorry. Probably something around seventy bucks. Text is all in German. Pete Mattli [email protected] [3-ggg's] ================================ Subj: Re:[SWITZ] FHL Microfilms Date: 8/3/2002 4:59:34 PM Eastern Daylight Time From: <A HREF="mailto:[email protected]">[email protected]</A> To: <A HREF="mailto:[email protected]">[email protected]</A> Sent from the Internet (Details) Tony and List: This "easy" search is pretty much only for Kt. Uri. The Stammbuch von Uri and its numbering system was prepared over a period of 100 years by 3 different researchers. I have found that my searches of registers from other cantons has not been so easy. I have searched Catholic and Reformed records for areas of canton Berne, and for Porrentruy, in mostly French speaking areas, and there was no numbering system for them. I have my WALKERS back tentatively to the 1600s. However I was told by the archivist at Altdorf last summer when I was in Uri, that the earlier records are largely based on oral tradition, and there is no documentation. I have now to go the FHL films of the church registers of Uri and double check who is child of whom. I have many WALKERS marrying other WALKERS in my line. The majority of my WALKER families were from the Gurtnellen area. Last summer during my visit, I was able through someone who remembered my grandmother's family, to meet some cousins of my mother's who were in their 80s and who remembered my grandmother's and mother's visit to Switzerland in 1925. I would never have found them by myself as there are hundreds of WALKERS in and from Uri. They were very pleased that someone from America remembered the family in Switzerland. Beautiful, beautiful country and people. Hope I can go over again someday. Other names in my WALKER line are: TRESCH, BAUMANN, INDERGAND, DITTLI, FURGER, YOST, ZGRAGGEN, (and possibly ZWYSSIG from 1589), all old Urner names. Regards, "rwalker" ================================== >Tony Flecklin wrote: > It has been voiced many times to check the FHL microfilms on a > surname to see what has been collected. Maybe some people are not > completely familiar as to what some of the microfilmed records > contain. The following example of an actual entry could be of > some help. This entry has been translated from the German Script > (to the best of my ability) of one of my distant relative. > - - - - - - - - > This is taken from the Stammbuch/Stammregister of the Ziegler > Familie from Kt. Uri. Remember that all children (male and female) > are listed with their parents. Only the male who marries continues on > with the surname. Married females will appear with their husband's > family surname. > > This is the first line: > " 50 29b Balz (Bauen) u. Anna Josefa Imhof 28 VI 1781 " > Explanation: The 50th recorded Ziegler male to be married is the > 2nd (b) child of parents listed at #29. His name is Balz > (Balthasar) from Bauen and he married (u.) Anna Josefa Imhof on 28 > July 1781.

Here are my two cents worth on the subject: Growing up in the Swissgerman speaking region of Switzerland, the two main churches were always and still are the Reformierte and the Katholische Kirche. (we use the terms "reformiert" and protestantisch" interchangeably.) In some regions the protestants were in the majority, in others the catholics. Still are. The Swissgerman speaking area was almost exclusively influenced and led by Ulrich Zwingli, the Swiss reformator. His base was in Zürich. At Zwingli's death, the Bremgarten /AG theologian Heinrich Bullinger took over the fight for reformation and [my history book says] that at his death he left a "unified and strengthened Reformierte Kirche", having accomplished a peaceful understanding between the western Swiss reformators Calvin and Farel (1549 "Consensus Tigurinus"). (I assume that means that they agreed to coexist peaceably). But he was unable to achieve the same understanding with the Lutherans. The Calvinists prospered in the French speaking regions of Switzerland, Geneva being headquarters. In the shadows of the United Nations' Building in Geneva is a beautiful park with statues of all the reformators. (I wouldn't be surprised if they were sculpted by the famous Rhodin? How about it, Jacques?) Very interesting. They were brave men. Hanneli ----- Original Message ----- From: Paul Rands <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, August 03, 2002 4:38 PM Subject: Re: [SWITZ] Reformiert church > What we call the Lutheran Church was generally known as the Evangelische > Kirche. The Reformiert Church was Calvinist (based on Calvin's teachings). > The differences were not great. Both were protestant and accepted each >