Hear, hear !!!! I agree. Piet Schaddelee - The Netherlands My hobby ? I collect dead relatives ;<)) [who r related 2 me] > My thanks to Wolf, who is always so knowledgeable and helpful. I think I > speak for nearly everyone on the mail list in expressing my appreciation of > him. > My thanks again, Wolf. Jane in AZ

Hi Listers, This is a marvelous list--I've learned so much from everyone. :o) One of our FHC staffers is starting his Swiss line and needs some help. He is looking for a Grauwiller family from Basel. He isn't sure if it is Basel-land or Basel-stadt. HIs Johann Grauwiller was born August 1831 and emigated to the US in about 1854. Any hints or ideas on who he can contact in that area? He is not "on-line" at home and really doesn't want to rely on the computer too much. (A thorough researcher but not converted to technology yet.) Sounds like he'll be doing most searches via FHC resources and by post. Any addresses of offices, or ideas about Grauwillers would be most appreciated. Many thanks. Sharon Umiker Buffalo, New York (Umiker line from Thalheim, Aargau) --- On Mon 08/26, wrote: From: [mailto: [email protected]] To: [email protected] Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2002 10:00:58 -0600 Subject: SWITZERLAND-D Digest V02 #203 > --- Begin Attached Message--- SWITZERLAND-D Digest Volume 02 : Issue 203 Today's Topics: #1 Re: [SWITZ] Church records: Seon, ["Jane T." ] #2 [SWITZ] Gamboni's/Jacop's from Vog [Judy Miller Administrivia: Going on vacation? Gone longer than 4 days? Go to http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/CHE/SWITZERLAND.html to unsubscribe ______________________________ > --- End Attached Message--- > --- Begin Attached Message--- My thanks to Wolf, who is always so knowledgeable and helpful. I think I speak for nearly everyone on the mail list in expressing my appreciation of him. Since I just returned from a visit to Switzerland in June, I'll likely opt for hiring a Swiss genealogist this time, especially since I can't read that confounding old-fashioned European script worth a darned. But it's gratifying to know I may be able to get back to 1641. My thanks again, Wolf. Jane in AZ > > Von: Jane T. [mailto:[email protected]] > > Gesendet: Sonntag, 25. August 2002 21:31 > > > > Does anyone know what church I should write to for the > > village of Seon, bezirk Lenzburg, Aargau for records prior to > > 1781? I think I've gotten all I can from the Staatsarchiv > > Aargau and from the Standsamt Seon (the the latter has not > > yet responded to my recent request for some familienscheins). > > > > According to www.genealogienetz.de/reg/CH/kibu/#ENGLISH "In > > the Protestant (Reformed) areas of Switzerland, mandates were > > issued in 1525 by the Church leaders to keep christening > > records. In some of the older churches, the baptismal records > > go back to 1528..." > > This is a very general comment - in *some* parishes the records will > date back that far, in others records might have started then, but > didn't survive until today, in others they started later. > > Unfortunately only very few Aargau church records have been filmed by > LDS, which is why you don't find Seon mentioned on the corresponding > Aargau pages. But Seon has been an independent parish and records date > back to 1641 (baptisms) and 1648 (marriages and burials) respectively. > The question is - how do you get hold of them? I'm not a specialist on > Aargau but have been told that many church records are still kept at the > parishes, whilst the State Archive has microfilms of most of them > (filmed by the State Archive themselves, rather than LDS). Possibly > both, State Archive and Parish Archive, may have the sources to check - > but likely neither will have the manpower to do so. Are you already > planning a trip to Switzerland ;-) ? > > Best regards - Wolf ______________________________ > --- End Attached Message--- > --- Begin Attached Message--- Can anyone help me with information on my great-grand parents . . . they are Salvatore and Carolina Gamboni, born +/- 1860. I know that they had 6 children: Silvio (b. 1880); Alfred (abt. 1883); Bartol (b. 1887); Annuciata (b. 1885); Mary (b. 1891) and Amelai (b.??). Silvio is my grandfather, he married Natalina Jacop also from Vogorno. Any suggestions??? Judy Senn Miller Eureka, California, USA > --- End Attached Message--- ------------------------------------------------ Join Excite! - http://www.excite.com The most personalized portal on the Web!

> Von: Jane T. [mailto:[email protected]] > Gesendet: Sonntag, 25. August 2002 21:31 > > Does anyone know what church I should write to for the > village of Seon, bezirk Lenzburg, Aargau for records prior to > 1781? I think I've gotten all I can from the Staatsarchiv > Aargau and from the Standsamt Seon (the the latter has not > yet responded to my recent request for some familienscheins). > > According to www.genealogienetz.de/reg/CH/kibu/#ENGLISH "In > the Protestant (Reformed) areas of Switzerland, mandates were > issued in 1525 by the Church leaders to keep christening > records. In some of the older churches, the baptismal records > go back to 1528..." This is a very general comment - in *some* parishes the records will date back that far, in others records might have started then, but didn't survive until today, in others they started later. Unfortunately only very few Aargau church records have been filmed by LDS, which is why you don't find Seon mentioned on the corresponding Aargau pages. But Seon has been an independent parish and records date back to 1641 (baptisms) and 1648 (marriages and burials) respectively. The question is - how do you get hold of them? I'm not a specialist on Aargau but have been told that many church records are still kept at the parishes, whilst the State Archive has microfilms of most of them (filmed by the State Archive themselves, rather than LDS). Possibly both, State Archive and Parish Archive, may have the sources to check - but likely neither will have the manpower to do so. Are you already planning a trip to Switzerland ;-) ? Best regards - Wolf > What are my chances, do you suppose, of getting records back > to 1528? Seon, in a Reformed area, belonged to Bern prior to > 1803. The Staatsarchiv Aargau provided me info back to a Mar > 1781 birth. > > Jane in AZ

Can anyone help me with information on my great-grand parents . . . they are Salvatore and Carolina Gamboni, born +/- 1860. I know that they had 6 children: Silvio (b. 1880); Alfred (abt. 1883); Bartol (b. 1887); Annuciata (b. 1885); Mary (b. 1891) and Amelai (b.??). Silvio is my grandfather, he married Natalina Jacop also from Vogorno. Any suggestions??? Judy Senn Miller Eureka, California, USA

My thanks to Wolf, who is always so knowledgeable and helpful. I think I speak for nearly everyone on the mail list in expressing my appreciation of him. Since I just returned from a visit to Switzerland in June, I'll likely opt for hiring a Swiss genealogist this time, especially since I can't read that confounding old-fashioned European script worth a darned. But it's gratifying to know I may be able to get back to 1641. My thanks again, Wolf. Jane in AZ > > Von: Jane T. [mailto:[email protected]] > > Gesendet: Sonntag, 25. August 2002 21:31 > > > > Does anyone know what church I should write to for the > > village of Seon, bezirk Lenzburg, Aargau for records prior to > > 1781? I think I've gotten all I can from the Staatsarchiv > > Aargau and from the Standsamt Seon (the the latter has not > > yet responded to my recent request for some familienscheins). > > > > According to www.genealogienetz.de/reg/CH/kibu/#ENGLISH "In > > the Protestant (Reformed) areas of Switzerland, mandates were > > issued in 1525 by the Church leaders to keep christening > > records. In some of the older churches, the baptismal records > > go back to 1528..." > > This is a very general comment - in *some* parishes the records will > date back that far, in others records might have started then, but > didn't survive until today, in others they started later. > > Unfortunately only very few Aargau church records have been filmed by > LDS, which is why you don't find Seon mentioned on the corresponding > Aargau pages. But Seon has been an independent parish and records date > back to 1641 (baptisms) and 1648 (marriages and burials) respectively. > The question is - how do you get hold of them? I'm not a specialist on > Aargau but have been told that many church records are still kept at the > parishes, whilst the State Archive has microfilms of most of them > (filmed by the State Archive themselves, rather than LDS). Possibly > both, State Archive and Parish Archive, may have the sources to check - > but likely neither will have the manpower to do so. Are you already > planning a trip to Switzerland ;-) ? > > Best regards - Wolf

Since this question came up last night, I've been trying to see what I could learn. One meaning of "van" apparently comes from a Celtic root meaning a rocky mountain summit and turns up in modern place names in France, Switzerland, and even Germany as Van, Vanil, Vanel, and other variants. A family name "Duvanel" would therefore indicate someone who came from a place on or near a rocky mountain summit. A web search shows that there was a fortified place called Le Vanel in the Pays d'Enhaut region on the borders of Berne and Vaud. This doesn't mean your Duvanels came from that specific place -- it's just an example of a place where such a family name could have originated as a descriptive term. There are possibly multiple unrelated families named Duvanel, all originating in places where there were such geographic features. I know that doesn't help you trace your family (sorry), but maybe somewhere along the line an understanding of what the name means will come in handy. Good luck. Ardis [email protected] >>> Dear Listers I am new to the list and have come up against a brickwall for my g grandfather with the surname DUVANEL. Known information:- Albert Louis Duvanel born @1858 Neufchatel son of John? Louis Duvanel (Hotel Keeper) and Margaret Adolphine nee Renou? This information was obtained from the marriage certificate of Albert in Australia. Information about any Duvanel would be appreciated. Pamela/Melbourne Australia

Hello, Listers: A number of recent requests for researchers prompts me to try again. Has anyone a suggestion for a researcher in Aargau? I have been in contact with Yvonne Gygli, but she has said she cannot help. I have quite a bit of information already, but need someone to pursue a couple of loose ends that could lead me to certainty--and we all know how wonderful that genealogical nirvana can be! Thanks---this is a wonderfully helpful list. Cheers, Judy

Hi Judy, Christian Heilmann at [email protected] has done a wonderful job of finding info in Oberentfelden Aargau for me. I would highly recommend him to anyone searching in that area. Good luck! Marjorie Gallagher

Does anyone know what church I should write to for the village of Seon, bezirk Lenzburg, Aargau for records prior to 1781? I think I've gotten all I can from the Staatsarchiv Aargau and from the Standsamt Seon (tho the latter has not yet responded to my recent request for some familienscheins). According to www.genealogienetz.de/reg/CH/kibu/#ENGLISH8 "In the Protestant (Reformed) areas of Switzerland, mandates were issued in 1525 by the Church leaders to keep christening records. In some of the older churches, the baptismal records go back to 1528..." What are my chances, do you suppose, of getting records back to 1528? Seon, in a Reformed area, belonged to Bern prior to 1803. The Staatsarchiv Aargau provided me info back to a Mar 1781 birth. Jane in AZ

Dear Listers I am new to the list and have come up against a brickwall for my g grandfather with the surname DUVANEL. Known information:- Albert Louis Duvanel born @1858 Neufchatel son of John? Louis Duvanel (Hotel Keeper) and Margaret Adolphine nee Renou? This information was obtained from the marriage certificate of Albert in Australia. Information about any Duvanel would be appreciated. Pamela/Melbourne Australia

> Von: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] > Gesendet: Sonntag, 25. August 2002 04:44 > > Gee, thanks, Kathy <blush> > > I have come across only one Duvanel, c. 1750 at Boudevilliers. > I've even searched my transcriptions for material that hasn't been > posted yet without finding another one. This probably means > that the Duvanels didn't come from the Val de Ruz, but I can't > tell you where they DID come from. According to Familiennamenbuch der Schweiz http://swiss.genealogy.net/famnam-m.htm there is only a single citizenship prior to 1926: Brot-Dessous (which actually is in canton Neuchatel), where Duvanel have held citizenship since before 1800. Starting from http://www.eye.ch/swissgen/kibu/nekbinde.htm you'll find a link to http://www.nussle.org/sng/sng_commune_a.html which tells you that Brot-Dessous today is part of Noiraigue - so back at http://www.eye.ch/swissgen/kibu/nekb_a-z.htm#N you'll learn that for records before 1874 you have to check Travers - where the church records 1615-1875 have been filmed by LDS. Best regards - Wolf > Good luck, Pamela. I hope someone else can help. > > Ardis > [email protected]

Correct spelling is Recherswil. To locate, go SE of Solothurn to Gerlafingen. It is just a tad SSE of Gerlafingen. Postal code is 4565. Population is 1630. Recherswil has its own parish. Church records of Canton Solothurn have not been filmed, according to: ===== Church records filmed by LDS http://www.genealogienetz.de/reg/CH/kibu/#ENGLISH ===== For more info, you might write to either Zivilstandsamt (if more recent than 1875) or to Staatsarchiv (if time frame you are interested in is mainly before 1875). Zivilstandsamt is the civil/municipal registrar. Staatsarchiv is the cantonal archive. I construe a canton to be a state, though many think of it as a county. Switzerland lacks a strong central (federal) government, so the 26 cantons each have more authority than counties or states in US. ===== Staatsarchiv Solothurn Bielstrasse 41 4509 Solothurn Switzerland - OR - e-mail: <A HREF="mailto:[email protected]">[email protected]</A> ===== Zivilstandsamt 4565 Recherswil (SO) Switzerland ===== Suggest you write a short note in English, and e-mail it to the very dedicated people at the German Genealogy Organization for a FREE translation into German. Then send the German version of your note to the appropriate address in Switzerland. See: ===== German GenealogyTranslation Team http://www.genealogy.net/gene/misc/translation.html ===== You will want to keep your note short [under 30 lines], since short requests go to the head of the queue. Be sure to thank the translator. It is their only recompense. Good luck. Pete Mattli [email protected] [[3-ggg's] =========================================== Subj: [SWITZ] SWITZ Canton Solothurn Date: 8/24/2002 10:46:51 PM Eastern Daylight Time From: <A HREF="mailto:[email protected]">[email protected]</A> To: <A HREF="mailto:[email protected]">[email protected]</A> Sent from the Internet (Details) Hi I just discovered my great Grandfather Joseph STRUB was born in Canton Solothurn ... the village is Rechersvil ... has anyone heard of this village? I can find Solothurn but not the little village ... maybe I am spelling it wrong? Thank you Jeanie

Hi I just discovered my great Grandfather Joseph STRUB was born in Canton Solothurn ... the village is Rechersvil ... has anyone heard of this village? I can find Solothurn but not the little village ... maybe I am spelling it wrong? Thank you Jeanie

Gee, thanks, Kathy <blush> I have come across only one Duvanel, c. 1750 at Boudevilliers. I've even searched my transcriptions for material that hasn't been posted yet without finding another one. This probably means that the Duvanels didn't come from the Val de Ruz, but I can't tell you where they DID come from. Good luck, Pamela. I hope someone else can help. Ardis [email protected]

Jeanie, from the city of Solothurn go south-east through Zuchwil, Biberist, Oekingen, Kriegstetten... then south of that you'll see your Recherswil. Hanneli ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, August 24, 2002 7:46 PM Subject: [SWITZ] SWITZ Canton Solothurn > Hi > I just discovered my great Grandfather Joseph STRUB was born in Canton > Solothurn ... the village is Rechersvil ... has anyone heard of this village? > I can find Solothurn but not the little village ... maybe I am spelling it > wrong? > Thank you > Jeanie > > > ==== SWITZERLAND Mailing List ==== > Swiss Resource Site > http://swiss.genealogy.net >

Dear Pamela, We are fortunate to have a researcher named Ardis Parshal who is dedicated to transcribing the parish records of Neuchatel and generously posts her research to a Rootsweb site at http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=SRCH&db=desaules&surname =D . I checked and there are some Duvanel names listed - I am sure you will find connections. Have fun. Kathy Devlin/California -----Original Message----- From: pakash [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Saturday, August 24, 2002 7:21 PM To: [email protected] Subject: [SWITZ] Duvanel Dear Listers I am new to the list and have come up against a brickwall for my g grandfather with the surname DUVANEL. Known information:- Albert Louis Duvanel born @1858 Neufchatel son of John? Louis Duvanel (Hotel Keeper) and Margaret Adolphine nee Renou? This information was obtained from the marriage certificate of Albert in Australia. Information about any Duvanel would be appreciated. Pamela/Melbourne Australia ==== SWITZERLAND Mailing List ==== Going on vacation? Gone longer than 4 days? Go to http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/CHE/SWITZERLAND.html to unsubscribe

[email protected]: This old man of 72-years has no knowledge to speak of concerning computer operations... Would someone please tell me the CORRECT E-Mail Addresses that I should send the below mentioned message to: SWITZERLAND-L and SWITZERLAND-D @ rootsweb.com, in order that my Search Request appears in these two documents on their regularly sent out reports for all readers to view, and perhaps give assistance.. . Many thanks, Sincerely, JOHN A. MEHRING (1-717-642-8153) 28 Tree Top Trail, Fairfield, PA 17320-8237 E-MAIL: [email protected] ============================================================================ ==== ----- Original Message ----- From: "John A. Mehring" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, August 15, 2002 3:55 PM Subject: [SWITZ] Clar (Claar, Klahr, Klor) of Canton Bern 8-15-02 SAVE > > [email protected]: > > Will you please post this article in your Switzerland-D & L @Rootsweb.com....?? > Thanking you, JOHN A. MEHRING > > John A. Mehring (1-717-642-8153) > 28 Tree Top Trail, > Fairfield, PA 17320-8237 > > E-MAIL: [email protected] > ============================================================================ ================ > > > > Searching for home villages and Parental family data of BALTHASAR CLAR (Claar); > born akt. 1660-1663 Canton Bern, Switzerland; died Feb. 26, 1703 Mimbach, Krs. > Webenheim/Saarland; married (1) Unknown--; married (2) Jan. 14, 1698 as Widower > in the Ref. Church at Mimbach, Germany, ELISABETHA (Hussong) WOLF; b. 1662; > d. 1713 (51 Years) at Mimbach, dau. of Anthoni Hussong, Judge to Mimbach & Catharina > Unknown; d. Dec. 1699 (66 Years) at Mimbach. > First wife bore Balthasar 6 children: Hans J.; Caspar; Heinrich; Joh. Peter; Rudolf H.; > & Anna. Elisabetha bore Balthasar 2 children: Joh. Jakob (b. 11-16-1698; Bapt. 11-23-1698 > Ref. Church at Mimbach, Saar; Desc's, Joh. SIMON & Barbara, who arrived alone aboard > Ship Samuel, Dec. 3, 1740 at Phila., PA., and were Indentured, since their Parents died > aboard ship and were Buried at sea enroute to America) & Maria Margaretha Clar. > > Any data would be gracious appreciate > > JOHN A. MEHRING > 28 Tree Top Trail, Fairfield, PA 17320-8237 > > E-MAIL: [email protected] > > > ==== SWITZERLAND Mailing List ==== > Going on vacation? Gone longer than 4 days? Go to > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/CHE/SWITZERLAND.html > to unsubscribe >

> Von: Dave Johnson [mailto:[email protected]] > Gesendet: Donnerstag, 22. August 2002 15:25 > > Does anyone happen to have email addresses for the > Zivilamstadt correct spelling: Zivilstandsamt > for cities of Ruthi and Mullheim? Thanks. > David Muellheim (ue indicating an u-umlaut) is in canton Thurgau. Unfortunately no Thurgau info yet available on Swissgen - any volunteers out there ;-) ? But Google will find for you http://www.muellheim.ch/behamtst.htm which indicates that they have their own Zivilstandsamt - no separate e-mail address given - so use the general address for the city administration mailto:[email protected] Ruethi (again u-umlaut) is in canton St.Gallen (but beware - there are several Rueti withou H in other cantons - and these are pronounced exactly the same!). For St.Gallen you'll find links to most communities on http://swiss.genealogy.net/kant/sgorte-m.htm Starting from there (and if you have a basic knowledge of German) you'll even find a picture of the Civil Registrar, Benedikt Benz, on http://www.ruethi.ch/Behoerden/Mitarbeiter.html Again - no individual e-mail - just the general one mailto:[email protected] Best regards - Wolf __________________ Wolf Seelentag, Ph.D. Reherstr. 19 CH - 9016 St.Gallen +41 (0) 71 - 288 51 21 [email protected]

> Von: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] > Gesendet: Donnerstag, 22. August 2002 15:57 > > Hello > I am new to this list I am researching the surname STRUB. > My G G Grandfather Joseph Strub was born in 1830 near Vaduz > Switzerland. Vaduz is NOT in Switzerland - it's Liechtenstein - so there are two possibilities: Joseph Strub was either born in Liechtenstein near Vaduz or in Switzerland near Vaduz; the latter would point to the St.Gallen Rhine Valley at the border to Liechtenstein - where no Strub hold a citizenship. So most likely you'll be looking for a Liechtenstein family. Search for Strub on http://swiss.genealogy.net/search-m.htm and you'll find a few possibly useful pages, also on Liechtenstein, incl. a page on emigrateion from Liechtenstein, listing Strub as one surname - with an e-mail to request further info! > Arrived in USA in 1855 and settled in Allamakee County Iowa. > Any one else researching this name? > Also researching TRIERWEILER-SCHMITT - KLEES- KEIL-HORN.... > from the areas of > Ralingen, Germany, Welschbillig, Germany and Luxemborg. > KLOCKER from Dorn Birn Austria. This will be Dornbirn (one word) in Vorarlberg (Austria). > SPIEGEL exact origin unknown. > VITZTHUM from Bavaria, Germany A Bavarian origin is not to be excluded - but this is a typical Vorarlberg (Austria) name. I can only recommend to re-check your sources - and if these origins are just family tradition, to have a close look at a good atlas first. BTW - http://www.genealogy.net/ is covering all German speaking areas of Europe. Good luck with your research, and best regards - Wolf __________________ Wolf Seelentag, Ph.D. Reherstr. 19 CH - 9016 St.Gallen +41 (0) 71 - 288 51 21 [email protected] > Thank you > [email protected] > > ==== SWITZERLAND Mailing List ==== > Swiss Resource Site > http://swiss.genealogy.net

Hello I am new to this list I am researching the surname STRUB My G G Grandfather Joseph Strub was born in 1830 near Vaduz Switzerland. Arrived in USA in 1855 and settled in Allamakee County Iowa. Any one else researching this name? Also researching TRIERWEILER-SCHMITT - KLEES- KEIL-HORN.... from the areas of Ralingen, Germany, Welschbillig, Germany and Luxemborg. KLOCKER from Dorn Birn Austria. SPIEGEL exact origin unknown. - VITZTHUM from Bavaria, Germany. Thank you [email protected]