The church records I've been studying in Guggisberg, Kanton Bern, *usually* give only baptismal dates, which people frequently mistake for birth dates although the record is called a "Taufrodel." But some church record-keepers do add the date of birth as well, and some even record the date of the parents' marriage and (apparently) the names of their parents! You never know until you look. Harold Henderson, [email protected] on the lookout for HENDERSON, MACRAE, DAVIDSON, JOHNSTONE (Scotland) ANDERSSON/BORING, SVENSSON, STENBERG, JOHANSDOTTER (Sweden); THRALL (New England), JAMES (Wales), FLINT, GEDNEY (Lincolnshire), SCHRIBER/SCHREIBER, JOSS, STAUDENMANN (Switzerland); SCHOLES, MILLS (Lancashire), MOZLEY (Nottinghamshire), VAN NATTA (New Netherlands), BOREN, COCHRAN, LINHART, BLACK (Pennsylvani a); BASSETT, COON, BLISS, HUMPHREY, BURDICK, CAMPBELL, CRANDALL, DENISON (New England); & more

<PRE>I am looking for information about Jacob & Henry BALDINGER born in Switzerland in 1824 & 1818, respectively. This is according to the 1860 Census of Crawford County, Ohio. They immigrated to America between 1852 & 1854 from Hessen-Darmstadt, Germany. I believe the were born in Canton Aargau of Switzerland. Can anyone help me located documentation, living descendants researching them or living descendants in Switzerland? Thank you. Dorene Baldinger-Morris

Claire, I don't know if anyone has helped you with this question yet. I had a somewhat similar experience where I had two birthdates for my ggrandfather. My Swiss cousin informed me that the first was the real birthdate, and the second was like a baptism date. In fact, here is his explanation of my situation: "In several cases, you seem to have baptism dates instead of birth dates. The family records were established 1825/1826. Before, there were church records. The church did not record the births but the baptisms. That's why in earlier years, we often have baptism dates instead of birth dates. In most cases, it is not possible to find out the birth date." Hope this helps! Karen P.S. I've never posted a message to rootsweb. Hope you get this, and if I did something wrong, someone will tell me!! >X-Message: #1 >Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2002 22:44:26 -0400 >From: "CJ Lisa" <[email protected]> >To: [email protected] >Message-ID: <[email protected]> >Subject: Re: [SWITZ] Birthdate differences >Content-Type: text/plain; > charset="iso-8859-1" >Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > >My grandfather, who was born in 1886, was not sure about the month he was >born as different paperwork had it for March or for April. He decided that >he would celebrate his birthday in March. The civil records that I got had >his birthday as April and I have not had the opportunity to check the church >records. > >It may seem odd, but he was 1 of 15 children and only 6 survived beyond age >20. With that large a family and probably not being very well off, >birthdays were probably not celebrated in those days -- but maybe someone >else can clarify that. > >Claire -------------------------------------------------------------------- Union County, South Carolina GenWeb County Coordinator: http://www.rootsweb.com/~scunion/union.html -------------------------------------------------------------------- Visit my "family" at http://www.geocities.com/heartland/meadows/4458 -------------------------------------------------------------------- Surnames: Adams Baldwin Beckham Behl Benge Bennett Bertling Blair Braddock Bradley Brown Bryant Burris Canterbury Carty Catlett Cleveland Croshaw Crowell Davenport Dean Debnam DeMoss Eskew Fauncis Ferguson Files Flaugan Fleming Foster Frith Garnett Gooding Graves Gryder Haie Haley Haney Harris Haugland Hawkins Henderson Johannessen Johnson Kaiser Keeling Kimball Kimbrough Kincheloe King Koonce Lane Lansdale Lee Little Littlefield Mackey Manley McNail Miller Monsen Montgomery Nance Olsen Parker Perrin Perry Randolph Ronhovde Seaggs Seay Sherrin Sides Simmons Simpson Singleton Stampfli Stribling Taliaferro Taylor Thomas Tygart Underwood Vaughan Watkins Wernli Wilkenson Williams Williamson Woodruff ---------------------------------------------------------------------

I am hoping that someone here can help me out. I am having a hard time locating information on a man named Peter Streiff from Schwanden, Glarus. I have contacted the Landesacrchiv in Glarus and the only Peter that they can find with the same birthdate as mine most likely isn't the Peter I'm looking for. The marriage date is also the same but the wifes name is no where near the one I have which is Fredericka FERN. The information also states that the first wife, Regula STREIFF died and he remarried in New Glarus, Wisconsin to a Magdalena KNOBEL. As far as all the sources of information I have on my Peter he never remarried or lived in Wisconisin Who else can I contact to find out if there is another Peter out there with the same birthdate? Also, does anyone know if there is a surname of FERN in the Glarus area. Landesarchivs tell me there are no FERN's in the area. Thank you for any help, Janet Strief

Dear Everyone, We have received several messages from the List. We have tried to warn two or three people - on the other hand it may have come from anyone on the list, as the Bugbear worm is one that takes on the identity of anyone in a person's address book. I have disinfected my files, but please let met know if anyone appears to have received an odd message from me. Jacques de Guise Estudio de Investigaciones Genealógicas Center for Genealogical Research Cabinet d'Etudes Généalogiques [email protected]

Frederik Elich (or Eligh) said by baptism of his sun in 1786 that he was a soldier of the Swiss regiment of general Stockar de Neuform. He must be born about 1746. His wife Barbara Hemmich is borned in Nameur about 1755. In the family Elich there is a story that the roots of the family are in the Alsace. Questions: - who has information about the name Elich or Eligh? - who knows the native place of Frederik? - who has information about the Swiss regiment of general Stockar de Neuform? - who has information about Barbara Hemmich? Koos Bielars Oosterhout / Holland [email protected]

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Am looking for information on my ggrandfather Frederick Simon Blanc, b.1 May 1861 Kanton Bern. His father is Louis Blanc and his mother is Mary Magdalene D'Heresan, both of Switzerland. Frederick emigrated to American in 1879 and served in US Cavalry in AZ and TX; married Guadalupe Righetti in AZ in 1891. How do I go about finding his birth record and information on parents? Thanks. Peg

Re gggrandfather: 1) was he born in Canton Bern or City of Bern? If the former, what village? If the latter, what church parish in Bern City? 2) do you know the date of his passport, or the approximate date, closer than sometime in 1861 (which is better than we usually get)? With the information you already have provided, should be no problem getting the birth certificate. With the additional info I have requested, it'll be a walk in the park. Pete Mattli SSD Admin [email protected] [3-ggg's] ========================= Subj: [SWITZ] Looking for birth certificate Date: 9/30/2002 2:23:09 AM Eastern Daylight Time From: <A HREF="mailto:[email protected]">[email protected]</A> To: <A HREF="mailto:[email protected]">[email protected]</A> Sent from the Internet (Details) Hello listers, i am hoping that someone can help me with a question i have. How do i (here in Australia) go about contacting in Switzerland someplace where i can obtain a birth certificate for my great, great grandfather? I know that he was born 7 Nov 1843, in Bern Switzerland. He emigrated out here in 1861. Thanking you all. Melissa.

Hello listers, i am hoping that someone can help me with a question i have. How do i (here in Australia) go about contacting in Switzerland someplace where i can obtain a birth certificate for my great, great grandfather? I know that he was born 7 Nov 1843, in Bern Switzerland. He emigrated out here in 1861. Thanking you all. Melissa.

This is off the subject. Please forgive me, but I need to know how you discovered that these sisters were nuns? Family story has it that one of my great aunts became a nun, but I have no idea what order, and can only make an educated guess as to the date and locale. Is there a national archive in the Catholic church that would list those who joined any order? ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, September 27, 2002 11:37 PM Subject: [SWITZ] RE: Family Meyer from Berne > Hi Randy, > > I have a Christine Meyer who married into our family. She married Frank > (Francis, I think) Joseph Biry. Haven't found their wedding date yet, but I > do have the birth dates for two of their children. > > Their daughter Catherine Biry, was born 2-14-1844 in Berne, Switzerland. > > Sometime after her birth they moved to the states in 1844. I'm not sure > where or when they arrived here, but they settled in Wisconsin for a while > and then moved to Pontiac, MI. > > Their second daughter Mary Biry, was born in Pontiac, MI on 3-22-1848. > > They might have had other children that I haven't found out about yet. > The information that I have on these two sisters is from the Catholic Church > because > they both became Nuns in Monroe, MI. > > I plan on writing for Catherine Biry's birth certificate and hope that there > will be some more information that might help in my search. > If I find out anything else about Christine Meyer, I'll be sure to let you > know. I'd love to find out who her parents were. > > Good luck in your search. > > Barbara Sepos >

Hi Randy, I have a Christine Meyer who married into our family. She married Frank (Francis, I think) Joseph Biry. Haven't found their wedding date yet, but I do have the birth dates for two of their children. Their daughter Catherine Biry, was born 2-14-1844 in Berne, Switzerland. Sometime after her birth they moved to the states in 1844. I'm not sure where or when they arrived here, but they settled in Wisconsin for a while and then moved to Pontiac, MI. Their second daughter Mary Biry, was born in Pontiac, MI on 3-22-1848. They might have had other children that I haven't found out about yet. The information that I have on these two sisters is from the Catholic Church because they both became Nuns in Monroe, MI. I plan on writing for Catherine Biry's birth certificate and hope that there will be some more information that might help in my search. If I find out anything else about Christine Meyer, I'll be sure to let you know. I'd love to find out who her parents were. Good luck in your search. Barbara Sepos

Hi Yvonne! How nice of you to help the Switzerland-List out so magnificently! Can you tell me if : 1. Since WHEN are/were Swiss Passport Applications recorded in Berne? 2. Did Swiss citizens from ALL Kantons have to apply to Bern (the seat of Swiss Government from what date?) for a passport??? 3. If so, are All such passport applications now stored in the Bern Archives and accessible for research? Thanks! Hanneli ----- Original Message ----- From: Gygli Y. <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, September 27, 2002 12:15 AM Subject: [SWITZ] Fw: Family Meyer from Berne > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Gygli Y. > To: Randy Meyer > Sent: Thursday, September 26, 2002 9:05 PM > Subject: Family Meyer from Berne > > > Hello Randy, > > Today I travelled to the State Archives in Berne and searched for your ancestors in the Passport Records. The following is what I found: > > Application No. 642 Vol. 1 14 Jan 1839 > > Pierre (Peter) Meyer Citizen of Blumenstein, Berne > Living in Corgemont (Berne) Farmer > Age 44 years 5 months 4 days > Destination U.S.A. > His wife: Marguerite Müller age 38 and their 8 children > > A full description of his appearance is given. > > I hope this will help you. As he is a citizen of Blumenstein, all details of his descendency and ancestry can be found in the Church Records of that community, as well as in the community where he resided. > > Sincerely, > > Yvonne Gygli > > > > > > > ==== SWITZERLAND Mailing List ==== > Going on vacation? Gone longer than 4 days? Go to > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/CHE/SWITZERLAND.html > to unsubscribe >

----- Original Message ----- From: Gygli Y. To: Randy Meyer Sent: Thursday, September 26, 2002 9:05 PM Subject: Family Meyer from Berne Hello Randy, Today I travelled to the State Archives in Berne and searched for your ancestors in the Passport Records. The following is what I found: Application No. 642 Vol. 1 14 Jan 1839 Pierre (Peter) Meyer Citizen of Blumenstein, Berne Living in Corgemont (Berne) Farmer Age 44 years 5 months 4 days Destination U.S.A. His wife: Marguerite Müller age 38 and their 8 children A full description of his appearance is given. I hope this will help you. As he is a citizen of Blumenstein, all details of his descendency and ancestry can be found in the Church Records of that community, as well as in the community where he resided. Sincerely, Yvonne Gygli

In a message dated 9/26/2002 5:23:47 AM Eastern Standard Time, [email protected] (Terry Millheim) writes: > Could somebody recommend a researcher in the Bern area? > Hello Terry: If no one on the list recommends a specific researcher, you can find some listed at this site: <A HREF="http://www.eye.ch/swissgen/schori/swis.htm">Researchers</A> Good luck with your search. Paul C. Miller

----- Original Message ----- From: Peter Diethelm To: Walter Boppart Sent: Thursday, September 26, 2002 5:11 AM Subject: AW: Hilfe, Bitte! Salü "100 Jahre VZG Rufi und Umgebung" bedeutet: "100 years of VZG Rufi 100 Jahre Viehzucht-Genossenschaft (cattle breeding kooperative) Rufi und Umgebung 100 years Cattle Breeding Co-op Rufi and environs Dieses Jubiläum war vor 1 - 2 Jahren. This jubilee took place 1 or two years ago Gruss aus der Schweiz Peter Diethelm Translation:

Could somebody recommend a researcher in the Bern are? Thank You, Terry Millheim

In a message dated 9/24/2002 8:03:04 PM Eastern Standard Time, [email protected] writes: > I am searching for the ancestors of my GGGF Hans Jacob Hess born Sept 25 > 1791 in Wiesendangen, canton Zurich. He married Elisabetha Trachsler born > Dec 2 1792 in Greifensee. Dan: LDS has filmed the records for both of these towns. The records go back to the 1500s. Good luck with your search. Paul C. Miller

I have asked the Shooting society in Rufi for an explanation. (I was there in 1942 in the Anbauschlacht, the Swiss war effort to have bread on the table for everybody, as the Axis sealed us off totally, and Switzerland could not import food from abroad until late in the war years.) Please write Bibliothek (not Biblioterch). Walter in Vancouver ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joanne Mello" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, September 24, 2002 2:21 PM Subject: [SWITZ] Question about Bibliotech entry > In looking through the St. Gallen Bibliotech library catalog, I came across > this entry: > > 100 Jahre VZG Rufi und Umgebung / Willi Giger > > > Can someone tell me what the "VZG" might mean? > > Thanks, > > Joanne > > Joanne A. Smith Mello > [email protected] > > > > ==== SWITZERLAND Mailing List ==== > Going on vacation? Gone longer than 4 days? Go to > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/CHE/SWITZERLAND.html > to unsubscribe > >

Dan Hess: >I am searching for the ancestors of my GGGF Hans Jacob Hess born Sept 25 >1791 in Wiesendangen, canton Zurich. He married Elisabetha Trachsler born >Dec 2 1792 in Greifensee. Would anyone know of any of the ancestors or have >access to the Swiss Family Book to help identify any of the ancestors? > > You will find several of /her/ ancestors at the following address, but you may already know that. http://familysearch.com/Eng/Search/AF/pedigree_view.asp?recid=46649985&familyid=12131282 Kjell O Hattrem