I've just acquired a family document from St. Imier, but it's written in French, and I wonder if someone could help me translate it. I know the second document is a marriage certificate; what is the first one? It seems to be a birth certificate. Thanks in advance, Christi Confederation Suisse Canton de Berne Arrondissement d'Etat Civil de St Imier Extrait du Registre des Naissances (Extrait de Naissance) Le Sin avril mil huit cent quatre-ving?-eing a Sept heures trente minutes du matin est ne a St Imier Rue du Stand Borner Arnold Ariste fils legitime de Borner Arnold Profession: halogen de Rickenbach (Soleur) domicilie a St Imier et de Anna Suzanna nee Schild de Brienzwyler (Berne) Pour extrait conforme, St Imier le 9 avril 1885 L'Officier de L'Etat Civil: (can't read name) Vu pour legalisation de la signature d'autre part de l'officier de l'etat civil le______18__ Le Prefet La Chancellerie d'Etat du canton de Berne certifie veritables le sceau et la signature ci-dessus du Prefet. Berne, le ________18__ Au nom de la Chancellerie d'Etat Extrait du Egistre des Naissances (Certificat de Naissance) Borner Arnold Emoluments d'expedition et de timbre fr. 1. 13... **** Eglise Evangelique Francaise de New York 126 West 16th Street New York, le 21 Avril 1906 Certificat de Mariage Je, soussigne, porteur, declare avour, le 21 Avril 1906, a l'eglise evang-fraincaise de New York, hein et celebre le mariage de Mr. Ariste Arnold Borner, age de 21 aus ne a St. Imier, Suisse, et de Mme Julia Sophie Domers ??? (nee Besson) nee a Valleyres-sous Mance (Vaud), Suisse. Ce mariage est inement? euregistre a la mairie (Board of Health of Manhattan Borough), de la ville de New York. Henri L. Grandlienard Pasteur de l'eglise evangelique francaise de New York ---------------------------------------------- researching from Switzerland: BORNER, CHALLANDES, HUBER, MEIER, SCHILD, SCHLECHTER, WAFFLER, WALDER from Germany: HERMANNI/HARMONI, TIMM, TONSING, TRABA, YUNKER from Prussia: DIEBALL, RETICKA from Scotland/N.Ireland: AIKEN, BORLAND/BORELAND, CAMPBELL, CHRISTY/CHRISTIE, DIVEN, GLENN, HALL, MAGEE, MONTGOMERY, SMITH from England: LOWE from Czechoslovakia: HANISEK, POLCHA from Wyoming Co./Lackawanna Co., Pa: DUNLAP, DAVIS, HUNTER, POST from Scranton, Pa: BELSKI, GREEN, McCALL, MILLER, STANKO, WARGO

Try this: http://www.geocities.com/heartland/9711/chpostal-count.html This a list of every village that has a postal code, sorted both alphabetically and by postal code. I have used the latter to extract all villages in Jura, which is where my ancestors come from.

Hi list, I am a Swiss descendent, but have recently found that my ancestors were under the Bishop of Constance and my further research will have to go to Karlsruhe, Germany. I have copies of a book "Repertorium schweizergeschichtlicher Quellen im Generallandesarchive Karlsruhe. and page numbers. My question. What am I likely to find from this reference and has anyone else done any research at Karlsruhe? Thanks for any help. Gloria Engweiler Wood The name I am researching is Engweiler, but any one researching Egloff, Engweiler, or Meyer from Canton Thurgau might also have an interest in this.

You can also find it on Ebay many times -- that is where I found mine -- vintage 1907 for about $10-12 if you are patient. Claire ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, October 06, 2002 11:43 PM Subject: [SWITZ] Book: "Baedeker's Switzerland" Harold, This is your lucky day, and you're a lucky duck. Look what shows up on the "Alibris" website. Anything under $10 will be one of the new simulations, and you sure don't want them. Number 3 & 7 look good to me, but then they all do. You really fell into it this time. The Alibris list follows: Individual copies of this book are listed below. Page 1 of 1 Sorted By: 1. <A HREF="http://www.alibris.com/search/detail.cfm?chunk=25&qwork=547895&S=R&bid =8066015268&pqtynew=0&page=1&matches=12&qsort=r">Baedeker's Switzerland, Together With Chamonix and the Italian Lakes.</A> by Baedeker, Karl. 26th edition. Leipsic, Karl Baedeker (1922) 80 Maps & 21 Plans. 537pp, F'cap 8vo. Original red cloth. A Good+ copy. Spine faded. <A HREF="http://www.alibris.com/search/detail.cfm?chunk=25&qwork=547895&S=R&bid =8066015268&pqtynew=0&page=1&matches=12&qsort=r">read more</A> Seller Name: Derek Slavin Books Seller Rating: $26.83 2. <A HREF="http://www.alibris.com/search/detail.cfm?chunk=25&qwork=547895&S=R&bid =8051831241&pqtynew=0&page=1&matches=12&qsort=r">Baedeker's Switzerland.</A> by Baedeker, Karl. Softcover. Prentice Hall, Paramus, NJ (1988) AN/NONE Very clean inside and outside. Appears unread. <A HREF="http://www.alibris.com/search/detail.cfm?chunk=25&qwork=547895&S=R&bid =8051831241&pqtynew=0&page=1&matches=12&qsort=r">read more</A> Seller Name: Frank Crowder Books Seller Rating: $5.95 3. <A HREF="http://www.alibris.com/search/detail.cfm?chunk=25&qwork=547895&S=R&bid =8085178305&pqtynew=0&page=1&matches=12&qsort=r">Baedeker's Switzerland.</A> by Baedeker, Karl. (1911) G/NONE <A HREF="http://www.alibris.com/search/detail.cfm?chunk=25&qwork=547895&S=R&bid =8085178305&pqtynew=0&page=1&matches=12&qsort=r">read more</A> Seller Name: The Scarsdale Book Shop, LLC Seller Rating: $19.95 4. <A HREF="http://www.alibris.com/search/detail.cfm?chunk=25&qwork=547895&S=R&bid =8048234025&pqtynew=0&page=1&matches=12&qsort=r">Baedeker's Switzerland 1909.</A> by Baedeker, Karl. 23rd. Soft Cover. Baedeker, Leipzig (1909) Very Good "and the Adjacent portions of Italy, Savoy, & Tyrol" marbled edges & ribbon mar ker. cock to book date in ink on cv. <A HREF="http://www.alibris.com/search/detail.cfm?chunk=25&qwork=547895&S=R&bid =8048234025&pqtynew=0&page=1&matches=12&qsort=r">read more</A> Seller Name: The Old Library Shop Seller Rating: $29.95 5. <A HREF="http://www.alibris.com/search/detail.cfm?chunk=25&qwork=547895&S=R&bid =8048231818&pqtynew=0&page=1&matches=12&qsort=r">Baedeker's Switzerland 1905.</A> by Baedeker, Karl. 21st. Soft Cover. Baedeker, Leipzig (1905) Very Good "and the Adjacent Portions of Italy, Savoy, & Tyrol" marbled edges & ribbon mar ker. <A HREF="http://www.alibris.com/search/detail.cfm?chunk=25&qwork=547895&S=R&bid =8048231818&pqtynew=0&page=1&matches=12&qsort=r">read more</A> Seller Name: The Old Library Shop Seller Rating: $49.95 6. <A HREF="http://www.alibris.com/search/detail.cfm?chunk=25&qwork=547895&S=R&bid =8045523173&pqtynew=0&page=1&matches=12&qsort=r">Baedeker's Switzerland.</A> by Baedeker, Karl. Englewood Cliffs, New Jersey Prentice-Hall 1982. ISBN: 0130560448. Good. a good, clean, used book, as noted, (1127bb). Binding is S Soft Cover. <A HREF="http://www.alibris.com/search/detail.cfm?chunk=25&qwork=547895&S=R&bid =8045523173&pqtynew=0&page=1&matches=12&qsort=r">read more</A> Seller Name: The Book Center Seller Rating: $9.95 7. <A HREF="http://www.alibris.com/search/detail.cfm?chunk=25&qwork=547895&S=R&bid =8051676270&pqtynew=0&page=1&matches=12&qsort=r">Baedeker's Switzerland and the Adjacent Portions of Italy Savoy</A> by Baedeker, Karl 13th. Baedeker (1889) Very Good, red cloth, owner name, w/maps and fold-outs [10kstd] <A HREF="http://www.alibris.com/search/detail.cfm?chunk=25&qwork=547895&S=R&bid =8051676270&pqtynew=0&page=1&matches=12&qsort=r">read more</A> Seller Name: Eileen Serxner Books, Inc. Seller Rating: $19.95 8. <A HREF="http://www.alibris.com/search/detail.cfm?chunk=25&qwork=547895&S=R&bid =8044578944&pqtynew=0&page=1&matches=12&qsort=r">Baedeker's Switzerland</A> by Baedeker, Karl Soft Board. Leipzig, London (1909) Good Spine lean, rubbing to spine and board edges, excessive shelfwear, sunning to spine. <A HREF="http://www.alibris.com/search/detail.cfm?chunk=25&qwork=547895&S=R&bid =8044578944&pqtynew=0&page=1&matches=12&qsort=r">read more</A> Seller Name: Book Baron Seller Rating: $24.95 9. <A HREF="http://www.alibris.com/search/detail.cfm?chunk=25&qwork=547895&S=R&bid =8074056261&pqtynew=0&page=1&matches=12&qsort=r">Baedeker's Switzerland</A> by Baedeker, Karl Flexiboard. Karl Baedeker, Leipzig (1907) Very Good/No Jacket 16mo-over 5 "-6 " tall 551 pgs. , red flexible cloth covered boards, lightly bumped corners, small tear to first map, small stain and tear to upper corner of rear interior hinge, tight, solid copy <A HREF="http://www.alibris.com/search/detail.cfm?chunk=25&qwork=547895&S=R&bid =8074056261&pqtynew=0&page=1&matches=12&qsort=r">read more</A> Seller Name: Book Crazy Seller Rating: $24.95 10. <A HREF="http://www.alibris.com/search/detail.cfm?chunk=25&qwork=547895&S=R&bid =8031547105&pqtynew=0&page=1&matches=12&qsort=r">Baedeker's Switzerland</A> by Baedeker, Karl 23rd Edition. Pocket pb. charles scribner's sons, New York (1909) G some pages torn; o. i; spine slightly worn <A HREF="http://www.alibris.com/search/detail.cfm?chunk=25&qwork=547895&S=R&bid =8031547105&pqtynew=0&page=1&matches=12&qsort=r">read more</A> Seller Name: Becker's Books Seller Rating: $29.95 11. <A HREF="http://www.alibris.com/search/detail.cfm?chunk=25&qwork=547895&S=R&bid =8067298613&pqtynew=0&page=1&matches=12&qsort=r">Baedeker's Switzerland.</A> by Baedeker, Karl. Karl Baedeker, 1922 Twenty-Sixth Edition. VG. <A HREF="http://www.alibris.com/search/detail.cfm?chunk=25&qwork=547895&S=R&bid =8067298613&pqtynew=0&page=1&matches=12&qsort=r">read more</A> Seller Name: Bookcase Seller Rating: $34.08 12. <A HREF="http://www.alibris.com/search/detail.cfm?chunk=25&qwork=547895&S=R&bid =8090493605&pqtynew=0&page=1&matches=12&qsort=r">Baedeker's Switzerland and the Adgacent Portions of Italy, Savoy, and Tyrol.</A> by Karl Baedeker. Karl Baedeker, London: Dulac and co, Leipsic (1889) 13th edition. Handbook for travellers. 8 vo, pp. 490. With 38 maps, 11 plans, and 11 panoramas. A nice copy, except that one side of the spine is split 3 quarters of the way up. <A HREF="http://www.alibris.com/search/detail.cfm?chunk=25&qwork=547895&S=R&bid =8090493605&pqtynew=0&page=1&matches=12&qsort=r">read more</A> Seller Name: Andrew Harty Seller Rating: $37.66 Hint: If No. 7 is still there on Tuesday, it won't be on Wednesday. Buy them all, you can't go wrong. Pete Mattli Clermont, FL [email protected] [3-ggg's] ============================= ==== SWITZERLAND Mailing List ==== Swiss Resource Site http://swiss.genealogy.net

Harold, This is your lucky day, and you're a lucky duck. Look what shows up on the "Alibris" website. Anything under $10 will be one of the new simulations, and you sure don't want them. Number 3 & 7 look good to me, but then they all do. You really fell into it this time. The Alibris list follows: Individual copies of this book are listed below. Page 1 of 1 Sorted By: 1. <A HREF="http://www.alibris.com/search/detail.cfm?chunk=25&qwork=547895&S=R&bid=8066015268&pqtynew=0&page=1&matches=12&qsort=r">Baedeker's Switzerland, Together With Chamonix and the Italian Lakes.</A> by Baedeker, Karl. 26th edition. Leipsic, Karl Baedeker (1922) 80 Maps & 21 Plans. 537pp, F'cap 8vo. Original red cloth. A Good+ copy. Spine faded. <A HREF="http://www.alibris.com/search/detail.cfm?chunk=25&qwork=547895&S=R&bid=8066015268&pqtynew=0&page=1&matches=12&qsort=r">read more</A> Seller Name: Derek Slavin Books Seller Rating: $26.83 2. <A HREF="http://www.alibris.com/search/detail.cfm?chunk=25&qwork=547895&S=R&bid=8051831241&pqtynew=0&page=1&matches=12&qsort=r">Baedeker's Switzerland.</A> by Baedeker, Karl. Softcover. Prentice Hall, Paramus, NJ (1988) AN/NONE Very clean inside and outside. Appears unread. <A HREF="http://www.alibris.com/search/detail.cfm?chunk=25&qwork=547895&S=R&bid=8051831241&pqtynew=0&page=1&matches=12&qsort=r">read more</A> Seller Name: Frank Crowder Books Seller Rating: $5.95 3. <A HREF="http://www.alibris.com/search/detail.cfm?chunk=25&qwork=547895&S=R&bid=8085178305&pqtynew=0&page=1&matches=12&qsort=r">Baedeker's Switzerland.</A> by Baedeker, Karl. (1911) G/NONE <A HREF="http://www.alibris.com/search/detail.cfm?chunk=25&qwork=547895&S=R&bid=8085178305&pqtynew=0&page=1&matches=12&qsort=r">read more</A> Seller Name: The Scarsdale Book Shop, LLC Seller Rating: $19.95 4. <A HREF="http://www.alibris.com/search/detail.cfm?chunk=25&qwork=547895&S=R&bid=8048234025&pqtynew=0&page=1&matches=12&qsort=r">Baedeker's Switzerland 1909.</A> by Baedeker, Karl. 23rd. Soft Cover. Baedeker, Leipzig (1909) Very Good "and the Adjacent portions of Italy, Savoy, & Tyrol" marbled edges & ribbon mar ker. cock to book date in ink on cv. <A HREF="http://www.alibris.com/search/detail.cfm?chunk=25&qwork=547895&S=R&bid=8048234025&pqtynew=0&page=1&matches=12&qsort=r">read more</A> Seller Name: The Old Library Shop Seller Rating: $29.95 5. <A HREF="http://www.alibris.com/search/detail.cfm?chunk=25&qwork=547895&S=R&bid=8048231818&pqtynew=0&page=1&matches=12&qsort=r">Baedeker's Switzerland 1905.</A> by Baedeker, Karl. 21st. Soft Cover. Baedeker, Leipzig (1905) Very Good "and the Adjacent Portions of Italy, Savoy, & Tyrol" marbled edges & ribbon mar ker. <A HREF="http://www.alibris.com/search/detail.cfm?chunk=25&qwork=547895&S=R&bid=8048231818&pqtynew=0&page=1&matches=12&qsort=r">read more</A> Seller Name: The Old Library Shop Seller Rating: $49.95 6. <A HREF="http://www.alibris.com/search/detail.cfm?chunk=25&qwork=547895&S=R&bid=8045523173&pqtynew=0&page=1&matches=12&qsort=r">Baedeker's Switzerland.</A> by Baedeker, Karl. Englewood Cliffs, New Jersey Prentice-Hall 1982. ISBN: 0130560448. Good. a good, clean, used book, as noted, (1127bb). Binding is S Soft Cover. <A HREF="http://www.alibris.com/search/detail.cfm?chunk=25&qwork=547895&S=R&bid=8045523173&pqtynew=0&page=1&matches=12&qsort=r">read more</A> Seller Name: The Book Center Seller Rating: $9.95 7. <A HREF="http://www.alibris.com/search/detail.cfm?chunk=25&qwork=547895&S=R&bid=8051676270&pqtynew=0&page=1&matches=12&qsort=r">Baedeker's Switzerland and the Adjacent Portions of Italy Savoy</A> by Baedeker, Karl 13th. Baedeker (1889) Very Good, red cloth, owner name, w/maps and fold-outs [10kstd] <A HREF="http://www.alibris.com/search/detail.cfm?chunk=25&qwork=547895&S=R&bid=8051676270&pqtynew=0&page=1&matches=12&qsort=r">read more</A> Seller Name: Eileen Serxner Books, Inc. Seller Rating: $19.95 8. <A HREF="http://www.alibris.com/search/detail.cfm?chunk=25&qwork=547895&S=R&bid=8044578944&pqtynew=0&page=1&matches=12&qsort=r">Baedeker's Switzerland</A> by Baedeker, Karl Soft Board. Leipzig, London (1909) Good Spine lean, rubbing to spine and board edges, excessive shelfwear, sunning to spine. <A HREF="http://www.alibris.com/search/detail.cfm?chunk=25&qwork=547895&S=R&bid=8044578944&pqtynew=0&page=1&matches=12&qsort=r">read more</A> Seller Name: Book Baron Seller Rating: $24.95 9. <A HREF="http://www.alibris.com/search/detail.cfm?chunk=25&qwork=547895&S=R&bid=8074056261&pqtynew=0&page=1&matches=12&qsort=r">Baedeker's Switzerland</A> by Baedeker, Karl Flexiboard. 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Handbook for travellers. 8 vo, pp. 490. With 38 maps, 11 plans, and 11 panoramas. A nice copy, except that one side of the spine is split 3 quarters of the way up. <A HREF="http://www.alibris.com/search/detail.cfm?chunk=25&qwork=547895&S=R&bid=8090493605&pqtynew=0&page=1&matches=12&qsort=r">read more</A> Seller Name: Andrew Harty Seller Rating: $37.66 Hint: If No. 7 is still there on Tuesday, it won't be on Wednesday. Buy them all, you can't go wrong. Pete Mattli Clermont, FL [email protected] [3-ggg's] =============================

<A HREF="http://www.swisstopo.ch/en/maps/fk/weg.htm">Click here: Swisstopo: Swiss Path</A> This will get you to plenty of 1:25,000 maps, but I wouldn't go that way. Cheaper, and the way I'd go, is to find all the villages you can with your Michelin 217, then post a query to the list with the rest of the villages. People will find them for you, and most will scan them over to you. Can't beat the price. Probably the most cost-effective way would be to purchase a used "Baedeker's Switzerland" (or France, or Germany, or Italy, or England, or Spain). It shows topography, hiking paths between villages, and for the smaller villages it even shows the individual houses. Every "Baedeker's" has a very comprehensive place-name index. So, you ask, what is a "Baedeker's?" Karl Baedeker put out a guide book almost every year from 1878 to 1926. They are each one remarkable in their own right. Don't fall for the modern version of a "Baedeker's." There is no comparison beyond the name. You should be able to pick one up for Switzerland (or any other European country of your choice) for about forty bucks. Try one of these online bookstores, but be sure to click on "used books" to get your best price: ===================================== BIBLIOFIND (BOOKS: OLD, USED, RARE) http://www.bibliofind.com/ ===================================== Alibris (my favorite, PAM): http://www2.alibris.com/cgi-bin/texis/bookstore ===================================== AddALL Rare Used and Out of Print Book Search http://www.addall.com/ ===================================== ABE - ADVANCED BOOK EXCHANGE http://www.abebooks.com/ ===================================== Comenius-Antequarius (English page) http://www.comenius-antiquariat.com/english.htm ===================================== bookradar.com http://www.bookradar.com/ ===================================== Biblion http://www.biblion.com/ ===================================== Pete Mattli Clermont, FL [email protected] [3-ggg's] =========================

When I was in Switzerland, I purchased some wonderful maps published by the Bundesamt für (fuer) Landestopographie. Some are as detailed as 1:25000 and even show individual farms. I came across a web site that sells these, but I have not yet purchased anything from them. http://www.omnimap.com/catalog/int/swittopo.htm#p6 Judy Fee > As long as we're on the subject of Swiss geography, can anyone > suggest a source of extreme close-up maps of Switzerland, or > rather portions thereof? Either on line or off line would be good. > > I'm trying to decipher baptismal records and I suspect that the > 1:200,000 Michelin map #217 I have does not include all the > villages and hamlets that are probably being mentioned.

As long as we're on the subject of Swiss geography, can anyone suggest a source of extreme close-up maps of Switzerland, or rather portions thereof? Either on line or off line would be good. I'm trying to decipher baptismal records and I suspect that the 1:200,000 Michelin map #217 I have does not include all the villages and hamlets that are probably being mentioned. (And my chances of deciphering the handwriting are poor without some idea of what that squiggle is "supposed to be"!) Thanks in advance to those who reply; your expertise is much appreciated. Harold Henderson, [email protected] on the lookout for HENDERSON, MACRAE, DAVIDSON, JOHNSTONE (Scotland) ANDERSSON/BORING, SVENSSON, STENBERG, JOHANSDOTTER (Sweden); THRALL (New England), JAMES (Wales), FLINT, GEDNEY (Lincolnshire), SCHRIBER/SCHREIBER, JOSS, STAUDENMANN (Switzerland); SCHOLES, MILLS (Lancashire), MOZLEY (Nottinghamshire), VAN NATTA (New Netherlands), BOREN, COCHRAN, LINHART, BLACK (Pennsylvani a); BASSETT, COON, BLISS, HUMPHREY, BURDICK, CAMPBELL, CRANDALL, DENISON (New England); & more

The Canton of Aargau in its present-day boundaries came into existence through the Act of Mediation issued by Napoleon in early 1803. It combined the former Berner Aargau (the part until 1798 administered by Berne), the Fricktal (formerly Austrian territory) as well as Baden and Freiamt (until 1798 under joint administration by several cantons). When your Michael Huber was at one occasion listed as having been born in the Canton of Berne there is a high likelhood that we are talking about the Berner (Bernese) Aargau. From there on you could probably safely concentrate your search on communities in this part of the present-day Canton, mainly Mülligen / Oberkulm / Reinach AG / Unterkulm / Windisch. Peter W. Frey, Hausen (Aargau) -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- Von: [email protected] <[email protected]> An: [email protected] <[email protected]> Datum: 6. October 2002 15:40 Betreff: [SWITZ] Swiss geography > > Would anyone be able to help me with the following: from the years 1785 >to about 1812, did the Canton of Aargau exist or was it part of the Canton of >Bern? I have been told that my G-g- Grandfather Michael Huber was born in the >Canton of Aargau in 1788 but on one occasion someone listed it as Bern. At >any rate, I have all but given up for finding any info about him without >narrowing the area from which he came. To complicate things,I have been told >that the name Huber is one of the most common names in Switzerland. I would >appreciate and info in reference to the Cantons. Thank you > > > >==== SWITZERLAND Mailing List ==== >Going on vacation? Gone longer than 4 days? Go to >http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/CHE/SWITZERLAND.html >to unsubscribe >

Hi I'm a bit familiar with the history of Canton Aargau as I grew up in that region. The Canton was founded in 1803 only, under the Napoleonic government. Before that the territory of the Canton belonged to various states and Cantons, depending on the respective region, which were the Canton Bern (south-western part of the today's Aargau) the Habsburg monarchy (north-western part) the United Dominions (south-eastern part, thence governed by the Central Cantons) the County of Baden (which was Baden Switzerland, north-eastern part). Depending on the exact location of birth of you ancestor, it might have been in the Canton Bern, or any of the above. You are right, HUBER is among the top five (if not top three) family names within the German speaking part of Switzerland. Kind regards Daniel ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, October 06, 2002 3:38 PM Subject: [SWITZ] Swiss geography > > Would anyone be able to help me with the following: from the years 1785 > to about 1812, did the Canton of Aargau exist or was it part of the Canton of > Bern? I have been told that my G-g- Grandfather Michael Huber was born in the > Canton of Aargau in 1788 but on one occasion someone listed it as Bern. At > any rate, I have all but given up for finding any info about him without > narrowing the area from which he came. To complicate things,I have been told > that the name Huber is one of the most common names in Switzerland. I would > appreciate and info in reference to the Cantons. Thank you > > > > ==== SWITZERLAND Mailing List ==== > Going on vacation? Gone longer than 4 days? Go to > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/CHE/SWITZERLAND.html > to unsubscribe > >

> Von: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] > Gesendet: Sonntag, 6. Oktober 2002 15:38 > > Would anyone be able to help me with the following: from the > years 1785 to about 1812, did the Canton of Aargau exist or > was it part of the Canton of Bern? I have been told that my > G-g-Grandfather Michael Huber was born in the Canton of > Aargau in 1788 but on one occasion someone listed it as > Bern. At any rate, I have all but given up for finding any info > about him without narrowing the area from which he came. > To complicate things, I have been told that the name Huber > is one of the most common names in Switzerland. > I would appreciate and info in reference to the Cantons. > Thank you You'll find basic info on several cantons starting from http://swiss.genealogy.net/kanton-m.htm and the answer to ypour particular question on http://swiss.genealogy.net/kant/agallg-e.htm#hist Unfortunately you are correct: Huber is one of the most common names in Switzerland - see http://swiss.genealogy.net/surcom-m.htm Again, unfortunately our "Swiss Surname Directory" is still not available to the public due to technical problems (caused by yahoo) - so here's the list of communities in Aargau, where Huber hold citizenship now (to be more accurate: in 1962) and since before 1800: Arni-Islisberg / Besenbüren / Boswil / Hägglingen / Hermetschwil-Staffeln / Hornussen / Jonen / Laufenburg / Mägenwil / Mellingen / Mülligen / Oberkulm / Oberlunkhofen / Oberwil AG / Reinach AG / Tägerig / Unterkulm / Unterlunkhofen / Wil AG / Windisch / Wohlenschwil. Let me use the occasion to point especially newcomers on Switzerland-L to the SwissGen pages, where you'll find first answers to many of your questions: SwissGen now consists of allmost 500 pages - so you may not find your way around at first easily. A good start will in such cases be the full text search feature on http://swiss.genealogy.net/search-m.htm For people familiar with SwissGen the announcements of new pages may be of interest: http://swiss.genealogy.net/news-m.htm where you can also suscribe te "swissgen-news", to be informed by e-mail about new pages. As described on this page, with some subscriptions problems with the confirmation have been expereinced (exclusively aol customers so far): should this happen, just send me an e-mail (as described). I hope many readers find SwissGen useful - if you do, you should be aware that this free service is provided with the help of some 30 volunteers worldwide. Best regards - Wolf __________________ Wolf Seelentag, Ph.D. Reherstr. 19 CH - 9016 St.Gallen +41 (0) 71 - 288 51 21 [email protected]

Would anyone be able to help me with the following: from the years 1785 to about 1812, did the Canton of Aargau exist or was it part of the Canton of Bern? I have been told that my G-g- Grandfather Michael Huber was born in the Canton of Aargau in 1788 but on one occasion someone listed it as Bern. At any rate, I have all but given up for finding any info about him without narrowing the area from which he came. To complicate things,I have been told that the name Huber is one of the most common names in Switzerland. I would appreciate and info in reference to the Cantons. Thank you

It has been my experience that the earlier the record is, the more likely it will be that the date is that of the baptism/christening. As a rule in church records if I see only a single date recorded I assume it is that of the baptism/christening unless the record explicitly states it is for the birth. I have also observed in the instances where one minister has chosen to record both dates, they tend to be a fairly consistent distance apart for a given town but may be different from other towns even short distances away. I would guess another instance of the Swiss practice of local traditions :-) It is also interesting that in more recent times (since about 1830 in Graubunden) when there was essentially uniform recording of both birth and baptism/christening, these intervals are similar to the more scattered data recorded earlier in the church books. One general exception involves children whose condition indicated that they might not survive long. There one does see them being baptised/christened on the date of birth. This may be noted in the church book that the baptism/christening took place at home. Regards, Mike Hobart ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, October 04, 2002 7:46 AM Subject: [SWITZ] births/baptisms > The church records I've been studying in Guggisberg, Kanton Bern, > *usually* give only baptismal dates, which people frequently > mistake for birth dates although the record is called a "Taufrodel." > But some church record-keepers do add the date of birth as well, > and some even record the date of the parents' marriage and > (apparently) the names of their parents! You never know until you > look. > Harold Henderson, [email protected] > on the lookout for <snip> --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.394 / Virus Database: 224 - Release Date: 10/3/2002

Do not let the differences in names worry you. The family probably called the persons by their middle names, the first name usually being a saints name, or Uncle Johann's name who they were named after. The Swiss also used nicknames a lot, so if you know them by that name, perhaps someone on the list can help you "translate". If your birthdates match, then you are probably close. Just remembering that often the dates given in the church registers are for christening dates. If no birthdate is given also, then you can probably guess that the child was born a month earlier. From my searches, it seems to have been the custom not to christen or baptize until the baby was a month old. As for your last name searches, be sure to check all possible spellings; STREEF, STRIEF, etc. I am constantly finding my ancestors names spelled so many different ways here in the US. Hope this helps. "rwalker" Researching SPERISEN, also spelled Speirsen, Spereisen, Spareson, Spercien

Have located two passenger ship records that may be of interest. If you write to me at [email protected] I will forward the information on to you. Jeanine

Jerry, I am actually looking for information on Peter STREIFF born 20 Feb 1831/2 married Freiderica Fern b. 1834. They were married 22 Mar 1854 and sailed to America soon afterward. All of this information is from family, most are dead now. We cannot locate any death certificates from either Peter or Freiderica or incidentally on a few other Streiff men and their wives in Dubuque County, Iowa. That didn't help much I've asked the Landesarchiv for information on Peter's brothers but they only found one out of the 4 he had. The one they found had a different first name from what I have, but the birth, marriage date and wife were the same. However, the parents names are not what I have been told they should be, and the Peter they have listed as a brother to this man is the one who went to New Glarus in Wisconsin. Right now I have a letter to the Passport office in Switzerland hoping they will have something on my Peter. I also am checking the passenger lists with the National Archives in the U.S. Does anyone have a suggestion on where to try next?? I'm getting frustrated, I have been digging for info on this man for years. I have found that some of the family sources haven't been over reliable, which I'm sure most of you have run into yourselves. I am beginning to wonder if this man was illegitimately born and that is why he is not showing anywhere or he may "borrowed" someone else's identity. Maybe I watch too many movies... Thank you for any help, Janet ----- Original Message ----- From: Jerry To: [email protected] Sent: Friday, October 04, 2002 11:25 PM Subject: [SWITZ] STREIFF & FERN Hello Janet, I have a Peter STREIFF from Glarus, but he was born in 1550 in Diesbach in the canton. You did not mentioned the birthdate of your Peter, but I guess it was in the 1800's? I also check for the surname FERN in my database, but did not have any entries. I'm not sure what you can do now, but to go back to the your records or sources and recheck the info to see if there was a copy mistake or a mix up? I am researching the JENNY's from Schwanden and have found many JENNY's with the same forename, same birthyear but they were cousins which makes it hard to separate the various lines. Jerry ==== SWITZERLAND Mailing List ==== Resource Site http://www.rootsweb.com/~chewgw

Hello Janet, I have a Peter STREIFF from Glarus, but he was born in 1550 in Diesbach in the canton. You did not mentioned the birthdate of your Peter, but I guess it was in the 1800's? I also check for the surname FERN in my database, but did not have any entries. I'm not sure what you can do now, but to go back to the your records or sources and recheck the info to see if there was a copy mistake or a mix up? I am researching the JENNY's from Schwanden and have found many JENNY's with the same forename, same birthyear but they were cousins which makes it hard to separate the various lines. Jerry

Hello Listers, I am still looking for my Swiss D�(A")TTWYLER family. In the Biel Church Book VI, I find the first page is printed, titled 'Taufrodel 1809'. It shows the parents names and town names; Child name and birth date; Godparents and town names. The bottom of the page is titled 'Register'. It shows names?; name of child?; Pag.?; Number. I think that the Number is the entry # of the year of birth. I have scan it, can anybody tell me the whole page contents? Thank you, Alan Rossing, Monterey, California, USA

Try: http://www.directories.ch/cgi-bin/etv/etv?lang=de&d=ead I thought I had grabbed the correct URL, but obviously not...if that is still not the correct one, then try: http://www.directories.ch click on Deutsch (far right in the blue line)[if not the default already] As part of the blue line on the left side, Suchen & Finden (Search & Find) Go straight down to: E-Mail-Verzeichnis This brings up a webpage that has 3 fields to fill in and 1 drop-down menu. SwissGen has several other e-mail search engines listed, but I have not tried them recently. http://www.eye.ch/swissgen/contac-e.htm#direct Best wishes, Dave --- [email protected] wrote: > Hi Dave, > > Could you be alittle more specific on how to use the following > steps: > > 1 - go to http://www.directories.ch/cgi-bin/etv/etv > 2 - type the surname in the "Name, Firma oder Rubrik" field > 3 - Select "Schweiz" in the "Ort" pull down menu > > When I did step 1, it appears I was sent to a slightly different > webpage. > > tx.....gary.babler > [email protected] __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New DSL Internet Access from SBC & Yahoo! http://sbc.yahoo.com

Data from Familiennamenbuch der Schweiz, concurs with your suggestion the Baldinger surname had origins in AG. In the following villages in canton Aargau, Baldinger had citizenship rights (where you will find their records): Baden Holderbank Lengnau Rekingen Zurzach >From which village were Jacob & Henry originally? Only more research can determine this. You will have to look at the church records in each village above to see if you can find them. http://www.eye.ch/swissgen/kibu/ Unfortunately, very few church records in AG have been microfilmed, so you will either have to make the trip to Switzerland and do the research yourself, or hire someone to do it. As far as living descendants and finding them. I would suggest using the on-line Swiss telephone directory: http://www.whitepages.ch and writing letters to them. Write in both English and the language of the area they live in. Another method would be to contact as many Baldinger in Switzerland using e-mail addresses: http://www.directories.ch/cgi-bin/etv/etv Type the surname in the "Name, Firma oder Rubrik" field. Select "Schweiz" in the "Ort" pull down menu. SwissGen has a wonderful write-up on it: http://www.eye.ch/swissgen/contac-e.htm Best wishes, Dave -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Friday, October 04, 2002 3:35 AM To: [email protected] Subject: [SWITZ] Surname: BALDINGER I am looking for information about Jacob & Henry BALDINGER born in Switzerland in 1824 & 1818, respectively. This is according to the 1860 Census of Crawford County, Ohio. They immigrated to America between 1852 & 1854 from Hessen-Darmstadt, Germany. I believe the were born in Canton Aargau of Switzerland. Can anyone help me located documentation, living descendants researching them or living descendants in Switzerland? Thank you. Dorene Baldinger-Morris __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New DSL Internet Access from SBC & Yahoo! http://sbc.yahoo.com