Thank you everybody that answered my question on the location of M�hlhassen. I believe that Mulhause, Haut-Rhin is correct one. Alan Rossing

alan rossing schrieb: > > Hello Listers, I cannot find Mühlhausen using Mapquest. Can someone help me > finding it? You are probably looking for Mulhouse, Alsace, France Best regards Manfred Härtel

> Von: alan rossing [mailto:[email protected]] > Gesendet: Samstag, 19. Oktober 2002 19:18 > > Hello Listers, I cannot find Mühlhausen using Mapquest. Can > someone help me finding it? The one in Alsace - called Muehlhausen whilst this part of the world belonged to Germany - called Mulhouse in French nowadays? Best regards - Wolf > Alan Rossing, Monterey, California, USA > > ==== SWITZERLAND Mailing List ==== > Swiss Resource Site > http://swiss.genealogy.net

Although the one in Alsace is probably the best known, there are others including Mühlhausen-Ehingen (Landkreis Konstanz [D] (on the Bodensee, bordering Switzerland,) and one in the Kraichgau: http://www.muehlhausen-kraichgau.de/weinbau.htm Cheers, Maralyn Wellauer, Editor The Swiss Connection ----- Original Message ----- From: "Wolf Seelentag" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, October 19, 2002 1:22 PM Subject: AW: [SWITZ] Muehlhausen > Von: alan rossing [mailto:[email protected]] > Gesendet: Samstag, 19. Oktober 2002 19:18 > > Hello Listers, I cannot find Mühlhausen using Mapquest. Can > someone help me finding it? The one in Alsace - called Muehlhausen whilst this part of the world belonged to Germany - called Mulhouse in French nowadays? Best regards - Wolf > Alan Rossing, Monterey, California, USA > > ==== SWITZERLAND Mailing List ==== > Swiss Resource Site > http://swiss.genealogy.net ==== SWITZERLAND Mailing List ==== Going on vacation? Gone longer than 4 days? Go to http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/CHE/SWITZERLAND.html to unsubscribe

Hello Listers, I cannot find M�hlhausen using Mapquest. Can someone help me finding it? Alan Rossing, Monterey, California, USA

Hello all............. I've sent out quite a few copies of the emigration contract. For 1 group there was an error -- 1 pic was sent 2x. The corrected pic was sent out. I believe that I got everyone -- in sending the contract and in sending the correction. If I missed you , please let me know. Claire

An interesting article, HISTORICAL AND GENEALOGICAL SKETCH OF THE SWISS MENNONITES..., written by Delbert L. Gratz (1920-2000) can be found in the Ohio Archeological and Historical Quarterly (#282): http://publications.ohiohistory.org/ohstemplate.cfm?action=detail&Page=0049282.html&StartPage=282&EndPage=288&volume=49�es=&newtitle=Volume%2049%20Page%20282 (**NOTE** the URL above from http: to 20282 is chopped into pieces, you MUST copy and paste it back together again to get the correct URL) More works on Mennonite and Anabaptist can also be found on the LDS FamilySearch website, some of which have been microfilmed (note the URLs needs to be pasted together again): Anabaptists http://www.familysearch.org/eng/library/fhlcatalog/supermainframeset.asp?display=subjectdetails&subject=314756 Mennonites http://www.familysearch.org/eng/library/fhlcatalog/supermainframeset.asp?display=subjectdetails&subject=314755 And there is a list of Anabaptist/Mennonite surnames on SwissGen's review of Richard W. Davis' book, Emigrants, Refugees and Prisoners, volumes 1 & 2: http://www.eye.ch/swissgen/ver/chbull6z.htm Best wishes, Dave Schmutz -----Original Message----- From: Robert and Sue Carpenter [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Thursday, October 17, 2002 8:20 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [SWITZ] Bern to Montbeliard Montbeliard was a destination for Anabaptists during the late 1680's and 90's and early 1700's. Most were Mennonites and many came from Switzerland's Kanton of Berne. Robert Carpenter ----- Original Message ----- From: [email protected] To: [email protected] Sent: Thursday, October 17, 2002 2:54 PM Subject: [SWITZ] Bern to Montbeliard Hi List, The recent messages about points of departure, Calvinist, Catholic, etc. has made me wonder. What should it tell me about the religion of my ancestor who moved from the Oberdiessbach area of Bern to Montbeliard, then departed from Hamburg for America in 1752? They were married in 1747 (Bern) and had at least two, probably three children by 1752 whose baptismal records I can't find. I don't understand why they went to Montbeliard first? Phyllis __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Faith Hill - Exclusive Performances, Videos & More http://faith.yahoo.com

Montbeliard was a destination for Anabaptists during the late 1680's and 90's and early 1700's. Most were Mennonites and many came from Switzerland's Kanton of Berne. Robert Carpenter ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, October 17, 2002 2:54 PM Subject: [SWITZ] Bern to Montbeliard > Hi List, > The recent messages about points of departure, Calvinist, Catholic, etc. has > made me wonder. > What should it tell me about the religion of my ancestor who moved from the > Oberdiessbach area of Bern to Montbeliard, then departed from Hamburg for > America in 1752? > They were married in 1747 (Bern) and had at least two, probably three > children by 1752 whose baptismal records I can't find. > I don't understand why they went to Montbeliard first? > Phyllis > > > ==== SWITZERLAND Mailing List ==== > Going on vacation? Gone longer than 4 days? Go to > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/CHE/SWITZERLAND.html > to unsubscribe >

Hi List, The recent messages about points of departure, Calvinist, Catholic, etc. has made me wonder. What should it tell me about the religion of my ancestor who moved from the Oberdiessbach area of Bern to Montbeliard, then departed from Hamburg for America in 1752? They were married in 1747 (Bern) and had at least two, probably three children by 1752 whose baptismal records I can't find. I don't understand why they went to Montbeliard first? Phyllis

Thanks for the information about ports of departure in mainland Europe. I have my TROILLET ancestor arriving in England sometime presumably in the 1700s. Are there any immigration records in the ports of disembarkation there? Thanks Graham Houghton Adelaide SA

Hi Sharon It seems that Furlen is part of the LAUSEN village, in Canton BL, too. Regards Daniel ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, October 16, 2002 7:49 PM Subject: [SWITZ] LDS film for Furlen BL Records prior to 1738? > > Hi all, > > Here is another request on behalf of one of the local FHC staffers who is not a computer user. He is has been researching Furlen, BL but cannot figure out which LDS films to check/which are to check for records. Apparently he tries two different places in the FH Catalog but all the links do is pop him back and forth. > > Any ideas of what areas he should be looking in? He's interested in records prior to 1738. I told him its possible those records haven't been filmed. > > Many thanks! > Sharon > Buffalo NY > > > > > --- On Wed 10/16, wrote: > From: [mailto: [email protected]] > To: [email protected] > Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2002 23:01:06 -0600 > Subject: SWITZERLAND-D Digest V02 #256 > > > > --- Begin Attached Message--- > > SWITZERLAND-D Digest Volume 02 : Issue 256 > > > > Today's Topics: > > #1 [SWITZ] Place of citizenship ["alan rossing" > > #2 [SWITZ] getting from here to there [Ruth > > ] > > #3 Re: [SWITZ] 1853 emigration ["CJ Lisa" > > #4 [SWITZ] Re: SWITZERLAND-D Digest V [[email protected]] > > > > Administrivia: > > Going on vacation? Gone longer than 4 days? Go to > > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/CHE/SWITZERLAND.html > > to unsubscribe > > > > > > > > ______________________________ > > > --- End Attached Message--- > > > --- Begin Attached Message--- > > Hello Listers, > > In birth records the father is shown as 'from', it is the place of > > citizenship? > > Is the father's father also in the same town? > > Thank you, Alan Rossing, Monterey, California, USA > > > > ______________________________ > > > --- End Attached Message--- > > > --- Begin Attached Message--- > > Which way is the easiest route? Was it easier to cross high, snow covered > > > > mountains or go through river valleys. Easy route, through > > "Burgundian > > Gate" (pass) across France to Le Havre. Also, easy route down the > > Rhine to > > Netherlands. Why cross mountains when there are rivers and plains? > > Going > > south across the Alps was hard work! > > Ruth > > > > At 09:43 AM 10/15/2002 -0600, you wrote: > > >______________________________X-Message: #1 > > >Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2002 23:29:40 -0400 > > >From: Carol Botteron > > >To: [email protected] > > >Message-Id: > > >Subject: [SWITZ] Port of Departure (was: Laederach Family > > >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > > > > > >From: "John D. & Peggy Ledrich" > > > > > > > > > >Hi Lists, > > > > I would like to know what port was likely used to depart from > > the > > > >area of Canton Bern, Switzerland, in order to get to the United > > States > > > >in the year 1852. Would it have been more convenient to go to > > France, > > > >Germany, or Italy? > > > > Never argue with idiots. They drag you down to their level, then beat you > > > > with experience." > > > > ______________________________ > > > --- End Attached Message--- > > > --- Begin Attached Message--- > > I have a copy of a transportation contract (and translation) for travel in > > 1853 for Swiss emigration from Le Havre to New York. Offices for the > > contractor are in Berne and Aargau. > > For anyone who is interested, please email me. > > Claire > > > > ______________________________ > > > --- End Attached Message--- > > > --- Begin Attached Message--- > > HI ALAN > > > > I WOULD TRULY APPRECIATE A COPY OF THIS DIARY. THANKS SO MUCH > > > > JO ELLEN STURGEON > > [email protected] > > > > > --- End Attached Message--- > > > _______________________________________________ > Join Excite! - http://www.excite.com > The most personalized portal on the Web! > > > ==== SWITZERLAND Mailing List ==== > Resource Site > http://www.rootsweb.com/~chewgw > >

> Von: Judith Watt [mailto:[email protected]] > Gesendet: Mittwoch, 16. Oktober 2002 14:33 > > Would appreciate help with locating church records of the > St.Stephan church, late 1790's and early 1800's. I have > viewed Zweisimmen church records and see many entries with > "married at St.Stephans...." Where are these records in > the LDS films? > Is anyone doing St. Stephan church record searching? > > Thank you. > > Judith Watt > > ==== SWITZERLAND Mailing List ==== > Swiss Resource Site > http://swiss.genealogy.net St.Stephan is the neighbouring parish, and you'll find film details starting from http://swiss.genealogy.net/ldsloc-m.htm (click on Bern) Best regards - Wolf

I don't know about Swiss emigration routes. My personal knowledge is with emigration from the upper Rhine in Germany(near the Swiss border). German emigrants from the Palatinate and Baden-Wuerttemburg (and probably also Alsacians and Swiss Germans) in the 1700's went down the Rhine to Rotterdam. A ship could not legally go to the British colonies except from another British possession. So the ship from Rotterdam made a stop in an English port, typically Cowles or Plymouth, to clear customs and immigration. Emigrants just stayed on the ship while this formality was covered. Then the ship proceeded to North America. The male emigrants 16 years and older who arrived on these ships had to sign several documents when they arrived promising to be loyal to the King and that they didn't agree with the doctrine advocated by some Catholics that it was OK to assasinate a non-Catholic king. Arrival records often are compiled from these documents. Therefore, you should be able to find evidence of many of your immigrant ancestors from German Switzerland who arrived in the 1700's. It sounds plausible that other (non-German) Protestant Swiss would have also gone this route to avoid Catholic persecussion in France. Paul Rands (near Portland, Oregon) _________________________________________________________________ Get faster connections -- switch to MSN Internet Access! http://resourcecenter.msn.com/access/plans/default.asp

Hi all, Here is another request on behalf of one of the local FHC staffers who is not a computer user. He is has been researching Furlen, BL but cannot figure out which LDS films to check/which are to check for records. Apparently he tries two different places in the FH Catalog but all the links do is pop him back and forth. Any ideas of what areas he should be looking in? He's interested in records prior to 1738. I told him its possible those records haven't been filmed. Many thanks! Sharon Buffalo NY --- On Wed 10/16, wrote: From: [mailto: [email protected]] To: [email protected] Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2002 23:01:06 -0600 Subject: SWITZERLAND-D Digest V02 #256 > --- Begin Attached Message--- > SWITZERLAND-D Digest Volume 02 : Issue 256 > > Today's Topics: > #1 [SWITZ] Place of citizenship ["alan rossing" > #2 [SWITZ] getting from here to there [Ruth > ] > #3 Re: [SWITZ] 1853 emigration ["CJ Lisa" > #4 [SWITZ] Re: SWITZERLAND-D Digest V [[email protected]] > > Administrivia: > Going on vacation? Gone longer than 4 days? Go to > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/CHE/SWITZERLAND.html > to unsubscribe > > > > ______________________________ > --- End Attached Message--- > --- Begin Attached Message--- > Hello Listers, > In birth records the father is shown as 'from', it is the place of > citizenship? > Is the father's father also in the same town? > Thank you, Alan Rossing, Monterey, California, USA > > ______________________________ > --- End Attached Message--- > --- Begin Attached Message--- > Which way is the easiest route? Was it easier to cross high, snow covered > > mountains or go through river valleys. Easy route, through > "Burgundian > Gate" (pass) across France to Le Havre. Also, easy route down the > Rhine to > Netherlands. Why cross mountains when there are rivers and plains? > Going > south across the Alps was hard work! > Ruth > > At 09:43 AM 10/15/2002 -0600, you wrote: > >______________________________X-Message: #1 > >Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2002 23:29:40 -0400 > >From: Carol Botteron > >To: [email protected] > >Message-Id: > >Subject: [SWITZ] Port of Departure (was: Laederach Family > >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > > > >From: "John D. & Peggy Ledrich" > > > > > > >Hi Lists, > > > I would like to know what port was likely used to depart from > the > > >area of Canton Bern, Switzerland, in order to get to the United > States > > >in the year 1852. Would it have been more convenient to go to > France, > > >Germany, or Italy? > > Never argue with idiots. They drag you down to their level, then beat you > > with experience." > > ______________________________ > --- End Attached Message--- > --- Begin Attached Message--- > I have a copy of a transportation contract (and translation) for travel in > 1853 for Swiss emigration from Le Havre to New York. Offices for the > contractor are in Berne and Aargau. > For anyone who is interested, please email me. > Claire > > ______________________________ > --- End Attached Message--- > --- Begin Attached Message--- > HI ALAN > > I WOULD TRULY APPRECIATE A COPY OF THIS DIARY. THANKS SO MUCH > > JO ELLEN STURGEON > [email protected] > > --- End Attached Message--- _______________________________________________ Join Excite! - http://www.excite.com The most personalized portal on the Web!

Many of the emigrants from the Canton of Bern who were Calvinists and who spoke German would have preferred to sail down the Rhine to Rotterdam. They would have been traveling primarily in German speaking regions and would have found in safer than traveling through Catholic France or Italy. There was much religious animosity at the time including religious wars. It would be safer for Calvinists to travel through Lutheran areas than Catholic areas. The same held true for French Huguenots from Montbeliard and Alsace regions. In 1750 the English government would transport Swiss and German immigrants to Nova Scotia from ports in Holland and England to colonize this part of Canada. Roger (descendant of Swiss, German and Dutch settlers in Nova Scotia, specifically Ueltschi (Hilchey) Weis (West) and Claasen (Glawson)). These families, among the founding families of Lunenburg, Nova Scotia, Canada, will be honored at the celebration of the 250 th. anniversary of the Founding of Lunenburg in 1753.

Would appreciate help with locating church records of the St. Stephan church, late 1790's and early 1800's. I have viewed Zweisimmen church records and see many entries with "married at St. Stephans...." Where are these records in the LDS films? Is anyone doing St. Stephan church record searching? Thank you. Judith Watt __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Faith Hill - Exclusive Performances, Videos & More http://faith.yahoo.com

HI ALAN I WOULD TRULY APPRECIATE A COPY OF THIS DIARY. THANKS SO MUCH JO ELLEN STURGEON [email protected]

I have a copy of a transportation contract (and translation) for travel in 1853 for Swiss emigration from Le Havre to New York. Offices for the contractor are in Berne and Aargau. For anyone who is interested, please email me. Claire

Which way is the easiest route? Was it easier to cross high, snow covered mountains or go through river valleys. Easy route, through "Burgundian Gate" (pass) across France to Le Havre. Also, easy route down the Rhine to Netherlands. Why cross mountains when there are rivers and plains? Going south across the Alps was hard work! Ruth At 09:43 AM 10/15/2002 -0600, you wrote: >______________________________X-Message: #1 >Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2002 23:29:40 -0400 >From: Carol Botteron <[email protected]> >To: [email protected] >Message-Id: <[email protected][63.214.102.62]> >Subject: [SWITZ] Port of Departure (was: Laederach Family >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > >From: "John D. & Peggy Ledrich" <[email protected]> > > > >Hi Lists, > > I would like to know what port was likely used to depart from the > >area of Canton Bern, Switzerland, in order to get to the United States > >in the year 1852. Would it have been more convenient to go to France, > >Germany, or Italy? Never argue with idiots. They drag you down to their level, then beat you with experience."