Is there someone on the list who could translate this german letter I found regarding my ancestor? Maybe tell me something about it? Thank you, Christi ------------------------------------------------ researching from Switzerland: BORNER, CHALLANDES, HUBER, MEIER, SCHILD, SCHLECHTER, WAFFLER, WALDER ------------------------------------------------ Männedorf, den 30. Mai 1933. a. Brüsch P.P. Wir machen Ihnen hiermit die schmerzliche Mitteilung, daß es Gott dem Allmächtigen gefallen hat, unsern lieben, unvergesslichen Gatten, Vater, Schwiegervater, Großvater, Schwager ung Unkel. Paul Meier-Gut heute morgen nach geduldig ertragener Krankheit in seinem 70. Altersjahre in die ewige Hei mat abzurufen. Den lieben Verstorbenen Ihrem freundlichen Anden-ken empfehlend bitten um stille Teilnahme. Die trauernden Hinterlassenen Die Beerdigung findet Donnerstag den 1. Juni 1933, nachmittags 2 Uhr, in Männedorf statt. Sie werden höflich ins Leid gebeten Kartogr. Anstalt J. Flach, Männedorf

Dear Christi, a short translation (not elegant, but literal): ----- Original Message ----- From: Christi Timm <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, January 07, 2003 7:10 AM Subject: [SWITZ] translation help (german) > Is there someone on the list who could translate this german letter I found regarding my ancestor? Maybe tell me something about it? > > Thank you, > Christi > ------------------------------------------------ > > Wir machen Ihnen hiermit die schmerzliche Mitteilung, "We bring you this painful communication" daß es Gott dem Allmächtigen gefallen hat, "that it pleased God the Allmighty" unsern lieben, unvergesslichen Gatten, Vater, > Schwiegervater, Großvater, Schwager ung Unkel. "to call [home] our dear, unforgettable husband, father, father-in-law, grandfather, brother-in-law and uncle" > Paul Meier-Gut heute morgen nach geduldig ertragener Krankheit in seinem > 70. Altersjahre in die ewige Hei mat abzurufen. "Paul Meier-Gut this morning, after suffering patiently, in his 70 tieth year....[to call him back] to his eternal home. " > Den lieben Verstorbenen Ihrem freundlichen Anden-ken empfehlend bitten > um stille Teilnahme. "We commend the dear deceased one to your kind remembrance." > > Die trauernden Hinterlassenen "The berieved left behind" > > Die Beerdigung findet Donnerstag den 1. Juni 1933, nachmittags 2 Uhr, in > Männedorf statt. "Funeral takes place in Männedorf Thurs. 1 June 1933 at 2 pm." > > Sie werden höflich ins Leid gebeten "You are formally invited to mourn." > > Kartogr. Anstalt J. Flach, Männedorf >"?" > > -------- IOW he died and this is the death announcement. Hanneli

Dear Darryl; I have a copy of the book "Eighteenth Century Emigrants From the Northern Alsace to America," by Annette Kunsleman Burgert, FGSP, FASG. Entry number 358 on pages 365-366 contains information on the family of Ullrich Mischler who arrived on the Phoenix in 1749 from Keskastel=67260 Sarre-Union (Alsace, France). It gives information on his marriage to Eleonora Magdalena Müller on 9 Mar. 1745 at Keskastel. (He was the son of Hans Missler from Switzerland). Also information on the births of children, Maria Louisa and Johannes, as well as land transactions and naturalization. If this is your family, contact me off-list and I will copy the information for you. Regards, Norma H. Goodman [email protected] Darryl Mishler wrote: > > I am one of the Mishler family historians in America. There are a few of us > that have compiled significant data on the Mishler, Mischler family that > arrived in Pennsylvania in 1749. None have yet been able to find any > information on the family past that time. The Mischler family was connected > with the Zug family in Thun, Switzerland. The families were the > Amish/Mennonites who came to America. Data also states that a few of Joseph > Mischler's children were born in Baden/Durlach Germany. I suppose enroute to > the New World. A bit of information was discovered (and the source since > lost) That has a Nicholas Mieschler Von Durrenroth Listed as an anabaptist > dissenter in the mid 1500's. I know this family's history must go back for > centuries but accessable information seems limited to the 1749 time frame > and forward. Any and all information would be greatly appreciated. I would > like to connect with a Mischler, Mishler Genealogist or Historian in > Switzerland as well, Thanks for all your help, Darryl Mishler > > ==== SWITZERLAND Mailing List ==== > Swiss Resource Site > http://swiss.genealogy.net

Hello list, I am wondering whether Switzerland issue death certificates that can be purchased, in the same way as they do in the UK. If so, can anybody tell me how to go about getting one. I am looking for details about the death of my (British) grandfather, William Dixon STUBBS. According to the British will indexes, he died on 22 July 1935 at Agra Sanatorium, Lugano, Switzerland. He was a British subject, born July 1892 in Carlisle, England, who had previously been working as an engineer on the railways in India. We know very little more about him than this. Also, would there be any way of finding out where he was buried? (Mrs) Penny Scharning, South Wales, UK.

I want to thank each of the people who helped me on this. All the information was appreciated and helpful. I'm still at a dead end, but it wasn't a total loss either. Again, Thank you, Janet ----- Original Message ----- From: Paul Rands To: [email protected] ; [email protected] Sent: Sunday, January 05, 2003 12:48 AM Subject: Re: [SWITZ] Endowments for the Dead You wrote: It says on page 261(left side) dated 23 Feb 1911, No 9367 Fridolin Streiff born 13 Jan 1813 of Schwanden Glarus Switz died 21 March 1893..then on page 261 (right side) it says 24 Jan 1903 date of Baptismal and Confirmed, Gottlieb Rothenbuhler is under Heir or Proxy, Relation is blank, Instance of: Jenny Rec, Ordained by J.A. Seishman I am really confused at the difference in the date at the top of the page and the death date along with the baptismal date and the death date. of course the name of the proxy is new to me and what does "Instance of: Jenny Rec" mean? I will appreciate all help on this one. This is a new twist on things for me. I thought it was hard having Catholic STREIFF's and Protestant STREIFF's and now I get to add Morman STREIFF's... So maybe this is why I am having trouble finding any information out on the family. Would anyone know how I would go about finding more of his family? I am really looking for Peter STREIFF...supposed son of Fridolin. I never found anything on www.familysearch.org. Thanks for everything. Janet ++++++++++++++++++ Janet, My interpretation of what you've written about the record that you found: Background: The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints believes that all who have lived on this earth must have the opportunity to receive certain ordinances (including baptism and "confirmation" [laying on of hands for the gift of the Holy Ghost]) performed in the proper way and by proper authority. For those who have died, this can be done vicariously in an LDS Temple. The deceased will then have an opportunity to accept the ordinance while he/she is in the Spirit World (can be Paradise or Spirit Prison [Hell]) while awaiting the resurrection into a degree of glory (Heaven). You can read more on the LDS Church's offical site in its explanation of why it is so heavily involved in genealogy. Now my explanation: It appears that back in 1903, an LDS descendent or relative of the deceased Fridolin Streiff arranged for Fridolin Streiff's LDS ordinances to be done in the Logan LDS Temple. It appears that Gottlieb Rothenbuhler acted as proxy. He may have also done the research and may also be a descendent/relative of Fridolin Streiff. One of the persons officiating in the ordinances was J.A. Seishman. I have no idea what "Instance of: Jenny Rec" means. If you think it's important, you can contact the LDS church on it's genealogy site. I've asked questions and received timely answers on this site. It's my understanding that most people who use, and therefore benefit from the LDS genealogical records, are not LDS and are essentially getting a valuable service at zero to little cost to themselves. It seems that Fridolin Streiff was not LDS during this life. The LDS Temple ordinance records may have provided some new information for you. From a practical point of view you can continue your research in the appropriate Protestant or Catholic church records in Switzerland. Hope I've helped. Paul Rands near Portland, Oregon _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8: advanced junk mail protection and 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail

I am looking for any person who family connects to any family that started out by the last name of FELDER from Kappel, Wattwil, Lucren, Zurich, Switzerland. This name Felder was back in 1735. I know there was Felder children that married other surnames and should be living there in Switzerland today. I would love to compare some names with you and see if by chance you are some of my distant cousins. Oll my Swiss Friends that see this message that know me send me a e-mail. I lost ALL my 2002 emails. I am trying to let my friends know I have a diffirend E-mail now. Send me a e-mail as soon as you can. Thank You Charles Felder 5th GGrandson of Hans Heinrich Felder of Kappel, Canton of St. Gall, Switzerland

Janet, (I didnt' know how to reach you "off list") Regarding Amanda's comment, let me clarify one point: We believe that a person continues to exist after death. Their spirit simply has left their body but they are still "them" with the right to choose. If proxy work is done on their behalf, they still have the right to choose whether or not to accept it. If they wish to have those blessings (like baptism or marriage for the eternities), they must choose it. If not, it is of no effect on them. We simply offer the opportunity. Same for the living, we offer folks the chance to learn about our beliefs to see if they wish to embrace them here on earth. Same principle of agency exists.--right to choose for yourself. You can find out more information about our temples and basic beliefs at www.mormon.org This is the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saint's official site for basic information. Hope this helps you and any other listers that find temple work notations on films and other records. Sharon :o) Buffalo NY Researching: Umiker, Simmen, Schatzman, Vogel, Leuenberg, Leuthi, Volkart and Vogelsang--Canton Aargau (Thalheim and surrounding areas.) --- On Sun 01/05, wrote: From: [mailto: [email protected]] To: [email protected] Date: Sun, 5 Jan 2003 21:00:50 -0700 Subject: SWITZERLAND-D Digest V03 #5 > --- Begin Attached Message---SWITZERLAND-D Digest Volume 03 : Issue 5 Today's Topics: #1 Fwd: RE: [SWITZ] Endowments for th ["Paul Rands" #2 RE: [SWITZ] Endowments for the Dea [Amanda Bagley #3 [SWITZ] thank you all! ["Dianne" ] #4 [SWITZ] Pery, Switzerland [[email protected]] Administrivia: Going on vacation? Gone longer than 4 days? Go to http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/CHE/SWITZERLAND.html to unsubscribe ______________________________ > --- End Attached Message---> --- Begin Attached Message---It appears Dean addressed this to me thinking I originated the post. I readdressed it to Janet via the list and am forwarding it to the list since I don't have Janet's address/name anymore. Regards, Paul near Portland, Oregon ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ From: Dean Leuzinger To: 'Paul Rands' Subject: RE: [SWITZ] Endowments for the Dead Date: Sun, 05 Jan 2003 06:22:20 -0700 Hi Janet - don't know if I can be much help or not - I have 7 Streiff's from abt. 1605 thru 1659 all from Canton Glarus. I show marriages with Legler, Vogel & Spaelti. My notes indicate the info came from Ancestral File section of familysearch.org To test my reference, today, I just did a name search for "Fridolin Streiff", "no dates", "Switzerland" as country - familysearch.org showed me 117 references, some in 1800s. I haven't continued developing my Streiff line, as I'm looking for "Leuzinger". Dean.... _________________________________________________________________ The new MSN 8 is here: Try it free* for 2 months http://join.msn.com/?page=dept/dialup ______________________________ > --- End Attached Message---> --- Begin Attached Message---------=_Part_460_1933473.1041793061418 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Janet, I know that it is not very easy to understand, but I guess first things first, you need to understand that Endowments for the dead, baptism and confimation are part of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latterday Saints. Then you need to understand the religion. Being LDS, we believe that we "go through" the Temple, making sacred promises to Heavenly Father, and keeping the beliefs we do, second, we believe that not only do we make these promises for ourselves, but we can be proxy for those ancestors that have passed on. So the Endowment for the dead simply means that your relative is a Mormon, thats all :) If you have any other questions please feel free to email me [email protected] Amanda ------=_Part_460_1933473.1041793061418-- ______________________________ > --- End Attached Message---> --- Begin Attached Message---Ken & I would like to thank all of you for your suggestions on finding rooms for rent near Melchnau. You are ALL a great group of helpful people, and we appreciate you so much! Dianne & Ken in Texas ______________________________ > --- End Attached Message---> --- Begin Attached Message---The person that wanted information on the village of Pery, Switzerland, I have pictures and I visited there the last three years. I have a lot of information on Pery. Contact me at [email protected] Roy > --- End Attached Message--- _______________________________________________ Join Excite! - http://www.excite.com The most personalized portal on the Web!

I am one of the Mishler family historians in America. There are a few of us that have compiled significant data on the Mishler, Mischler family that arrived in Pennsylvania in 1749. None have yet been able to find any information on the family past that time. The Mischler family was connected with the Zug family in Thun, Switzerland. The families were the Amish/Mennonites who came to America. Data also states that a few of Joseph Mischler's children were born in Baden/Durlach Germany. I suppose enroute to the New World. A bit of information was discovered (and the source since lost) That has a Nicholas Mieschler Von Durrenroth Listed as an anabaptist dissenter in the mid 1500's. I know this family's history must go back for centuries but accessable information seems limited to the 1749 time frame and forward. Any and all information would be greatly appreciated. I would like to connect with a Mischler, Mishler Genealogist or Historian in Switzerland as well, Thanks for all your help, Darryl Mishler

The person that wanted information on the village of Pery, Switzerland, I have pictures and I visited there the last three years. I have a lot of information on Pery. Contact me at [email protected] Roy

------=_Part_460_1933473.1041793061418 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Janet, I know that it is not very easy to understand, but I guess first things first, you need to understand that Endowments for the dead, baptism and confimation are part of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latterday Saints. Then you need to understand the religion. Being LDS, we believe that we "go through" the Temple, making sacred promises to Heavenly Father, and keeping the beliefs we do, second, we believe that not only do we make these promises for ourselves, but we can be proxy for those ancestors that have passed on. So the Endowment for the dead simply means that your relative is a Mormon, thats all :) If you have any other questions please feel free to email me [email protected] Amanda ------=_Part_460_1933473.1041793061418--

Ken & I would like to thank all of you for your suggestions on finding rooms for rent near Melchnau. You are ALL a great group of helpful people, and we appreciate you so much! Dianne & Ken in Texas

It appears Dean addressed this to me thinking I originated the post. I readdressed it to Janet via the list and am forwarding it to the list since I don't have Janet's address/name anymore. Regards, Paul near Portland, Oregon ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ From: Dean Leuzinger <[email protected]> To: 'Paul Rands' <[email protected]> Subject: RE: [SWITZ] Endowments for the Dead Date: Sun, 05 Jan 2003 06:22:20 -0700 Hi Janet - don't know if I can be much help or not - I have 7 Streiff's from abt. 1605 thru 1659 all from Canton Glarus. I show marriages with Legler, Vogel & Spaelti. My notes indicate the info came from Ancestral File section of familysearch.org To test my reference, today, I just did a name search for "Fridolin Streiff", "no dates", "Switzerland" as country - familysearch.org showed me 117 references, some in 1800s. I haven't continued developing my Streiff line, as I'm looking for "Leuzinger". Dean.... _________________________________________________________________ The new MSN 8 is here: Try it free* for 2 months http://join.msn.com/?page=dept/dialup

I am really hoping someone can answer this question for me. I am having a hard time understanding what "Endowments for the Dead" is about. I found some Swiss relatives in a book with that title with a donation made to Logan Temple. I've never heard of the book before. And would the temple be a Morman Church? Thank you for any help. Janet

Hello, I was wondering, as with other countries i.e., UK/USA, did Switzerland produce Census Returns and if so, for which years and where would one be able to get copies/lookups, if possible? I am trying to trace my ancestors who were mostly from the Bernese Oberland area. Lauterbrunnen/Interlaken etc. My mother advises me that I should start where the name originates. Her maiden name was PFISTER, and although most of the family originate from Lauterbrunnen, she says the name comes from somewhere like Wadherl or some such place? Any point in the right direction to start off with the family genealogy in Switzerland, would be appreciated. I have checked LDS. Regards Helen

Perhaps someone who lives in Switzerland can answer this question for us. Are there places for tourist to stay in Langenthal or Melchnau, Canton Bern, other than hotels? (Such as Bed & Breakfast in America & Zimmer Frie in Germany & Austria) If there are, then how can we obtain a list for them & their prices? We had no success searching the web for them. Ken & Dianne Croak

----- Original Message ----- From: "Terry Millheim" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, January 04, 2003 3:41 PM Subject: [CHE-Canton-Bern] Muhlheims > Hi , my name is Terry Millheim Looking for Muhlheims, Meuhlheims, Mullheim > with a umlat over the u. My Muhlheims were Johannes, Hans, > Alexnder,Friedrich , Elisa, Reinhard, Maria Anna,Jacob. There are from the > Scheuren area in Bern. Any help appreciated. > Thank You, > Terry Millheim > > > > > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > >

You wrote: It says on page 261(left side) dated 23 Feb 1911, No 9367 Fridolin Streiff born 13 Jan 1813 of Schwanden Glarus Switz died 21 March 1893..then on page 261 (right side) it says 24 Jan 1903 date of Baptismal and Confirmed, Gottlieb Rothenbuhler is under Heir or Proxy, Relation is blank, Instance of: Jenny Rec, Ordained by J.A. Seishman I am really confused at the difference in the date at the top of the page and the death date along with the baptismal date and the death date. of course the name of the proxy is new to me and what does "Instance of: Jenny Rec" mean? I will appreciate all help on this one. This is a new twist on things for me. I thought it was hard having Catholic STREIFF's and Protestant STREIFF's and now I get to add Morman STREIFF's... So maybe this is why I am having trouble finding any information out on the family. Would anyone know how I would go about finding more of his family? I am really looking for Peter STREIFF...supposed son of Fridolin. I never found anything on www.familysearch.org. Thanks for everything. Janet ++++++++++++++++++ Janet, My interpretation of what you've written about the record that you found: Background: The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints believes that all who have lived on this earth must have the opportunity to receive certain ordinances (including baptism and "confirmation" [laying on of hands for the gift of the Holy Ghost]) performed in the proper way and by proper authority. For those who have died, this can be done vicariously in an LDS Temple. The deceased will then have an opportunity to accept the ordinance while he/she is in the Spirit World (can be Paradise or Spirit Prison [Hell]) while awaiting the resurrection into a degree of glory (Heaven). You can read more on the LDS Church's offical site in its explanation of why it is so heavily involved in genealogy. Now my explanation: It appears that back in 1903, an LDS descendent or relative of the deceased Fridolin Streiff arranged for Fridolin Streiff's LDS ordinances to be done in the Logan LDS Temple. It appears that Gottlieb Rothenbuhler acted as proxy. He may have also done the research and may also be a descendent/relative of Fridolin Streiff. One of the persons officiating in the ordinances was J.A. Seishman. I have no idea what "Instance of: Jenny Rec" means. If you think it's important, you can contact the LDS church on it's genealogy site. I've asked questions and received timely answers on this site. It's my understanding that most people who use, and therefore benefit from the LDS genealogical records, are not LDS and are essentially getting a valuable service at zero to little cost to themselves. It seems that Fridolin Streiff was not LDS during this life. The LDS Temple ordinance records may have provided some new information for you. From a practical point of view you can continue your research in the appropriate Protestant or Catholic church records in Switzerland. Hope I've helped. Paul Rands near Portland, Oregon _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8: advanced junk mail protection and 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail

Amanda, 1) Ordinarily there would be the usual twelve steps of information gathering to do states-side before starting research in Switzerland. But you've already gotten the three elements of data ( 1.name, 2.hometown where citizenship is held, and 3.a date of either birth or confirmation or marriage or death ) which are essential to initiating research in Switzerland. (You do have the full name of your ancestor, don't you?) 2) So next would be getting your feet on the ground before actually digging in and doing the research. To do this, go to (and bookmark): ===== Swiss Genealogy on the Internet: Introduction http://www.eye.ch/swissgen/ ===== Read the topic "Swiss Citizenship" especially well. Then find the village of Mühlau (Muehlau) listed under its church parish of Muri at: ===== Location of Genealogical records by Canton http://www.swissgenealogie.ch/kibu/ ===== When you arrive at the above webpage, scroll down to "Aargau" in the right hand column. Click on it. Scroll slowly and read. Look for the link to "all parishes" in paragraph 2. Click on this link to go to the list of parishes in Canton Aargau. Find the parish "Muri" and note that it has the church books for Mühlau. Question is, are they filmed by LDS? To find out, go to: ===== LDS LOCALITIES FILMED http://www.swissgenealogie.ch/ldsloc-m.htm ===== -OR - ===== LDS LOCALITIES FILMED http://www.eye.ch/swissgen/ldsloc-m.htm#ENGLISH ===== Note here that the only records listed as having been filmed are those of the catholic church for the years 1500-1631 (that is from memory; I haven't been able to access the site this morning; getting timed out which may mean someone is working on the site). Ordinarily, LDS will have filmed the church records up thru 1875. Since that may not hold true here, next best would be to ask the Staatsarchiv (state archive) or the Zivilstandsamt (municipal registrar) how to get copies of the church records for Muri (which should include Mühlau). Write to: ===== Staatsarchiv Aargau Entfelderstrasse 22 Buchenhof Postfach 5001 Aarau Switzerland --------------- e-mail: <[email protected]> ===== - & - ===== Zivilstandsamt und Gemeindeverwaltung 5630 Muri AG Switzerland ===== 3) Write your letter (or e-mail) in English but send it in German. To do this, keep it to less than 30 typed lines and submit it to the FREE German Translating Group at: ===== German GenealogyTranslation Team http://www.genealogy.net/gene/misc/translation.html ===== 4) Give it your best shot. Let me know if you get stopped anywhere. When you locate filmed church records of Mühlau, then just a matter of asking your local FHC to order them in for you. Once they're in, you can look them over and see if you want to return them after the two-week loan period or if you want to put them on permanent loan which costs only a few bucks more. (Permanent loan is usually the way to go.) Good luck with this interesting search, Pete Mattli Clermont, FL SSD Admin [email protected] [3-ggg's] =========================== Subj: [SWITZ] Family questions and Muhlau Date: 1/4/2003 4:10:56 AM Eastern Standard Time From: <A HREF="mailto:[email protected]">[email protected]</A> To: <A HREF="mailto:[email protected]">[email protected]</A> Sent from the Internet (Details) ------=_Part_52_7766382.1041671419242 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit My family came from the town of Muhlau. The last name is Bucher. Any inform ation on the name or town or where to start would be greatly welcome! Thanks Amanda ------=_Part_52_7766382.1041671419242--

Yes, the Logan temple is a Mormon temple, & "'endowments' for the dead" refers to the temple work the Mormons do by proxy for the dead. The IGI is also another source of temple work done for the dead. You can check the IGI by going to www.familysearch.org and click on "search." ----- Original Message ----- From: "Terry & Janet" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, January 04, 2003 12:23 PM Subject: [SWITZ] Endowments for the Dead > I am really hoping someone can answer this question for me. I am having a hard time understanding what "Endowments for the Dead" is about. I found some Swiss relatives in a book with that title with a donation made to Logan Temple. I've never heard of the book before. And would the temple be a Morman Church? > > Thank you for any help. > > Janet > > > ==== SWITZERLAND Mailing List ==== > Going on vacation? Gone longer than 4 days? Go to > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/CHE/SWITZERLAND.html > to unsubscribe > >

------=_Part_52_7766382.1041671419242 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit My family came from the town of Muhlau. The last name is Bucher. Any information on the name or town or where to start would be greatly welcome! Thanks Amanda ------=_Part_52_7766382.1041671419242--