In addition to my last posting, I just looked in the LDS records and found hundreds of Freds and Ulrich BLASERs (all in the same town), but the only one born in 1859 without a different wife or a different death date was one born in 17 May 1859 Langnau Im Emmental, Bern to Ulrich BLASER and Verena BRECHBUEHL. Fred Ulrich named one of his daughters Verena. line of ancestry that I found Ulrich Blaser (18914-1864) and Verena Brechbuehl (1827-1882). Ulrich Blaser (1796-) and Elisabeth Schuppach (1788-1850). Ulrich Blaser (1756-1845) and Barbara Althaus (1770-1812). Ulrich's parents were Peter Blaser and Anna Schwander Barbara's parents were Peter Althaus (1729-1898) and Madlena Mann (1745-1821). Peter Althaus (abt 1700) and Madlen Gerber Pete Hanson Cromwell, CT

Do a Google Search on Swiss Coats of Arms. Search on: Swiss Coats of Arms. Pete Mattli Clermont, FL ========== Subj: [SWITZ] Re: SWITZERLAND-D Digest V03 #27 Date: 2/9/2003 1:57:40 PM Eastern Standard Time From: <A HREF="mailto:[email protected]">[email protected]</A> To: <A HREF="mailto:[email protected]">[email protected]</A> Sent from the Internet (Details) Is it true that each area will have a coat of arms for a family name ? I have one for my family name but have been told it was only for that one area. Harold Esker Akron,Ohio

Is it true that each area will have a coat of arms for a family name ? I have one for my family name but have been told it was only for that one area. Harold Esker Akron,Ohio

The only info I had on my GG Grandfather Frederick Ulrich BLASER is that he was born in 1859 Bern and had a sister Mary. He married Anna RASI of Zurich (born 1867) and they settled in Oregon, USA. I jsut searched the familysearch.com site. The only Fred BLASER that has an 1859 birthdate, that wasn't married to someone else, or that didn't die too early was Fredrich BLASER b: 17 May 1859 in Langnau Im Emmenthal, Bern to Ulrich BLASER and Verena BRECHBUEHL. Besides the date, the proof/coincindence is that Ulrich was Fred's middle name, and he named one of his daughters (in Oregon), Verena. In searching for Ulrich BLASER, I found hundreds in the same town, but finally came across Ulrich BLASER b:15 Feb 1814 in Langnau to Ulrich BLASER and Elisabeth SCHUPPACH. He married Verena in 1850 and died 23 Nov 1864. Verena BRECHBUEHL was born 12 Jun 1827 on Lauperswil, Bern, and died 27 Sep 1882. They had Anna Elisabeth, Verena, Ulrich, and Fredrich BLASER (b:1857, d: Mar 1859). Fred Ulrich BLASER was born May 1859. So, if anyone has more information or a connection, please let me know. Peter Hanson Cromwell, CT, USA

August (Auguste) Hunziker arrived in New York on May 13, 1917 with his wife Lina (Waible?)and three children, Jeanne, Auguste and Roger. So far, I believe he was born in Zofingue (Zofingen) August was born about 1882 and died in New Brunswick Canada on May 30, 1930. Lina was born about 1888 and died in New Brunswick, Canada also. They were my Grand Parents. If anyone know of these two and how we fit in, please help me fill in my Family. Daniel Walter Hunziker

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> Von: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] > Gesendet: Sonntag, 2. Februar 2003 17:35 > > Hi, I am wondering how often censuses were held in > Switzerland and if they are searchable anywhere. If any one > has access to census records around 1870 or thereabouts, > could you look up my great grandfather Jean GORGERAT(E) > and wife Catherine Karr. They had a son Georges who may > have been born in 1869 or 1870. Switzerland doesn't have the census system known in the USA (and possibly Canada?). Some cantons will have something similar at very irregular intervals. You'll have to familiarize yourself with the sources available for each canton (= state) separately to answer the question. A Federal rule, however, are the Zivilstandsregister (Civil Registries) set up in 1876, and collecting some data retrospectively. In your case (born 1870) the Civil Registry Office of the Buergerort (place of citizenship) will have the data you are looking for. See http://swiss.genealogy.net/intro-e.htm#allg for a brief description of the system. So what you have to do first, is to determine the Buergerort - or possibly a few "candidates". If you have no clue, Familiennamenbuch http://swiss.genealogy.net/famnam-m.htm will list possible communities. In the case of Gorgerat the following are mentioned (citizenship prior to 1900): NE Boudry a Neuchatel 1787 (Boudry NE) VD Bussigny-pres-Lausanne a Echandens a The format of these data is described on the above webpage. Often the corresponding list for the wife's name will help to narrow down the search - unfortunately not here: Karr is not an "old" Swiss name - just a single line emigrating from Germany to Zuerich is mentioned in Familiennamenbuch. So, unless you have additional info, you'd have to contact all 4 communities and ask whether they can find your ancestors on their registers. Good luck and best regards - Wolf __________________ Wolf Seelentag, Ph.D. Reherstr. 19 CH - 9016 St.Gallen +41 (0) 71 - 288 51 21 http://swiss.genealogy.net > Thank you > Judy Lamable > Eganville,Canada > > ==== SWITZERLAND Mailing List ==== > Swiss Resource Site > http://swiss.genealogy.net

> Von: Kjell Ove Hattrem [mailto:[email protected]] > Gesendet: Sonntag, 2. Februar 2003 14:19 > > Dear listers, > > My ancestor Hans Jakob Wunderli died 3 June 1832 in Meilen, > Zurich. He left fifty pounds to the main school and fifty pounds > to "das Armengut". > I have translated the latter to "the poor-estate" but I feel this is > very vague. Can somebody tell me what the "Armengut" was? > > Kjell Ove Hattrem > Molde, Norway The German word "Gut" has several meanings: 1. Property - usually meaning a large farm. 2. Goods. 3. Assets. The last one is to be used in this context: the funds collected by a public organisation (usually the church) to help support the poor. The rules of the Geneva (Calvinistic) church in 1561 http://www.reformiert-online.net:8080/t/de/bildung/grundkurs/gesch/lek3/ lek3.jsp#5 state for example: ----- Die Diakone sind "damit beauftragt, das Armengut entgegenzunehmen, zu verteilen, und zu verwalten..., sich um die Kranken zu kuemmern und sie zu pflegen, und die Armen zu speisen." ----- It is the deacon's duty to accept, distribute and manage the "Armengut", ... in order to look after the sick and feed the poor. Whilst different words may have been used for this in different areas, "Armengut" is also found in the Zuerich legislation in much more recent years: http://www.kanton.zh.ch/appl/zhlex.nsf/4ae6e4ab7adb6f58c125602f004d07a8/ 5b976556b476183bc1256036003cd584?OpenDocument (scroll down to para 210) ----- Ist der Anspruch des Verpfaenders auf den Ueberschuss des Pfanderloeses durch Verjaehrung erloschen, so faellt der hinterlegte Betrag in das Armengut der Gemeinde. ----- I'm not going to try to translate this correctly ;-). It is dealing with securities in the context of loans - under certain circumstances any surplus will be given to the "Armengut" of the village. Best regards - Wolf __________________ Wolf Seelentag, Ph.D. Reherstr. 19 CH - 9016 St.Gallen +41 (0) 71 - 288 51 21 [email protected] http://swiss.genealogy.net/

Dear listers, My ancestor Hans Jakob Wunderli died 3 June 1832 in Meilen, Zurich. He left fifty pounds to the main school and fifty pounds to "das Armengut". I have translated the latter to "the poor-estate" but I feel this is very vague. Can somebody tell me what the "Armengut" was? Kjell Ove Hattrem Molde, Norway

I am wondering if any one has access to census records around 1870 or thereabouts from Switzerland, and if so could you look up my great grandfather Henrich Muhlemann. I am not sure of his birth date, but,, his first wife? was born in 1862... Christina Beltz..Thank you in advance for any help with this man... Lena

I am looking for information on a Jacolb Mosser born Jan. 1,1839 in Bearen, Switzerland. Also looking for Mary Lutel born around 1840 in Bearen, Switzerland. She was married to Jacolb, they came to Missouri around 1880 I think. I don't have any more to go on but that Peter Mosser may have sent for them. I think Jacolb could have been a cousin to Peter. (Peter also had a son named Jacob Mosser). Thank you, Linda

Hi, I am wondering how often censuses were held in Switzerland and if they are searchable anywhere. If any one has access to census records around 1870 or thereabouts, could you look up my great grandfather Jean GORGERAT(E) and wife Catherine Karr. They had a son Georges who may have been born in 1869 or 1870. Thank you Judy Lamable Eganville,Canada

> Von: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] > Gesendet: Sonntag, 2. Februar 2003 04:44 > > Information in the parish records of the local Reformed > church in Frutigen, Canton Bern, appear to let me trace > my patrilineal line back to about the late 1540s to early > 1550s. I'm curious, when did Zwingli's Reformed faith > come to the Bernese Oberland? Wasn't it only a few decades > before this? And were the former Catholic parish registers, > giving baptism and marriage records, typically burned at > the time? Did any survive in areas that become Protestant? As described on http://swiss.genealogy.net/kibu/ the Council of Trient (1563) made baptismal and marriage registers a requirement (death registers since 1614) for the catholic church, largely as a reaction to the registers kept by protestant parishes. This didn't mean that all priests immediately started to keep these registers - I guess many of them just saw the additional work, and no or little benefit. Combined with some losses (not being burned on purpose, but e.g. the church burning) the effect of this is that only very few catholic registers prior to 1600 exist nowadays. I'm not sure when the oldest (still existing) catholic register in Switzerland starts - but very much doubt it covers the time you are looking for. When checking the LDS film catalogue, starting dates prior to 1563 are occasionally found: whenever I have checked details, however, this never included christening or marriage or death registers, but always things like anniversary mass registers or fraternity documents - which can obviously also contain very interesting information, but usually no vital data. Best regards - Wolf > Thanks > > Dale Bricker > > > ==== SWITZERLAND Mailing List ==== > Swiss Resource Site > http://swiss.genealogy.net

Information in the parish records of the local Reformed church in Frutigen, Canton Bern, appear to let me trace my patrilineal line back to about the late 1540s to early 1550s. I'm curious, when did Zwingli's Reformed faith come to the Bernese Oberland? Wasn't it only a few decades before this? And were the former Catholic parish registers, giving baptism and marriage records, typically burned at the time? Did any survive in areas that become Protestant? Thanks Dale Bricker

Hi ! ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, January 31, 2003 5:13 PM Subject: Re: [SWITZ] VON ALMA Variations > PART II: Raetisches Nammenbuch III (RNB III) > Reference to a "Margaretha von Alma-Weiler from Hassliland" is found. > The citation is from RNB III, Part II, page 470, See under: "von Allmen." > - --------------------------------------------------------- > "von Allmen Schi. 1662 Marg. von Alma-Weiler (aus dem «Hassliland» > > swdt. Allmeini «Gemeindeland». SId. 1. 190. > - --------------------------------------------------------- > Where: > von Allmen => the present day spelling of the original "von Alma." [snip] > (aus dem «Hassliland») => originally from the Hassliland. a region in SE > Canton Bern, east of Grindelwald, through which passes the upper course of > the Aare River. In addition to Pete's message I would suggest you take contact with Sarah von Allmen [email protected] who has a rather large website about Von Allmen genealogy http://perso.club-internet.fr/jeanmarc.vonallmen/vonAllmen/index.html Sincerely Guillaume

Hi, I am trying to research my family with the names Pfister, Von Allmen and Stager. They all seem to originate from Lauterbrunnen and surrounding valleys. If anyone can help me with a starting point (apart from asking my Mother!! - her line). My paternal side is Welsh and this is proving far much easier with Census returns etc. Do such things exist for Switzerland? Where does one start? Is there much material on the net? Would be also interested to hear from anyone with a possible connections to the surnames. I know some relatives moved to Wisconsin in America. Many thanks Regards Helen

Hi, I was wondering if some kind soul could look up a birth for my Grandmother for me. Cecile Rose Grandjean born 1873 - 1876 (Date varies on the 1901 census UK and her death Certificate and Marriage Certificate) Father Charles Grandjean (occupation Clock and Watchmaker). Mother unknown. I noticed with interest while browsing the web a reference to Henri Grandjean 1803-1879 Clock and Watchmaker from Switzerland, and wondering if they were related. I have a feeling she was born in Neuchatel but cannot confirm this. Thankyou Vern Elmes Australia

> Von: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] > Gesendet: Freitag, 31. Januar 2003 17:13 > [...] > PART II: Raetisches Nammenbuch III (RNB III) > Reference to a "Margaretha von Alma-Weiler from Hassliland" is found. > The citation is from RNB III, Part II, page 470, See under: > "von Allmen." > ----------------------------------------------------------- > "von Allmen Schi. 1662 Marg. von Alma-Weiler (aus dem <Hassliland> > swdt. Allmeini <Gemeindeland>. SId. 1. 190. > ----------------------------------------------------------- > Where: > [...] > ---------------------------------------------------------- > WOLF: Can you help us with "Allmeini <Gemeindeland>?" Is > "Allmeini" possibly the Schweizerdeutsch for "Allmendingen b.Bern?" No - this is not a village name, but denoting land owned by the community, the "Allgemeinheit": Allmeinei, Allmend and similar spellings (in different regions). Allmend could e.g. be meadows (where all citizens could bring their animals to graze) or woods (where all could collect fallen wood). Best regards - Wolf > ==== SWITZERLAND Mailing List ==== > Swiss Resource Site > http://swiss.genealogy.net

Now I have found out not only are my THEURER relatives from Switzerland, so are my MARTIN G-G_grandparents. Jacob Martin listed his parents from Switzerland on the 1880 Mn. census, Is MARTIN a common name in the fatherland? Renanne Baker

Renanne, I also forgot to tell you that you could check with the Swiss surname directory for the name Martin and it will tell you if it is Swiss. http://www.eye.ch/swissgen/sursou-e.htm ----- Original Message ----- From: RENANNE BAKER <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, January 31, 2003 11:00 AM Subject: [SWITZ] Jacob Martin Now I have found out not only are my THEURER relatives from Switzerland, so are my MARTIN G-G_grandparents. Jacob Martin listed his parents from Switzerland on the 1880 Mn. census, Is MARTIN a common name in the fatherland? Renanne Baker ==== SWITZERLAND Mailing List ==== Going on vacation? Gone longer than 4 days? Go to http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/CHE/SWITZERLAND.html to unsubscribe