Can anyone supply more information on the second son John Sweet of John Sweet and Mary Alboro? Derek S. Davey

There is a Greenwich in Washington Co, NY. Anita On Sun, 6 Apr 2003 21:08:24 EDT Utahpal@aol.com writes: > Where is East Greenwich? I can't locate it as a county in New York or RI.

I am writing this note in response to Patty' response to my inquiry. I think we are all in agreement that the Benjamin in question married twice (Elizabeth Hill and Phebe LKU). I am assuming that most of the younger children mentioned in Benjamin's will were from his second marriage to Phebe. If possible, I would appreciate a list of the children from this second marriage. If my recollection is correct, one of these children died in Jefferson, NY, just to the north of the Oswego area. Thanks!! Paul P.S. I also find it interesting that this same Benjamin (1722-1789) was listed in the DAR Patriot index as having served as a private on the RI line. However, I can find no such reference for Oliver. On Sun, 6 Apr 2003 16:39:08 -0700 "Patty Carter" <triplet3@telus.net> writes: Good evening Paul, I have this SWEET line in my research. I have Benjamin as having two wives........Elizabeth Hill m. 1742 and Phebe m. 1761. Oliver and John were one of the 8 children on Benjamin and Elizabeth........if you are interested in this information you may e-mail me at triplet3@telus.net regards Patty

East Greenwich is in Rhode Island about 35 minutes from Providence. It is on west side of Narrangansett Bay. The towns of Exter, West Greenwich, West Warwick and North Kingstown abutt East Greenwich. I hope this helps. I live in Middletown on the other side of the bay. Phil Thow ----- Original Message ----- From: <Utahpal@aol.com> To: <SWEET-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, April 06, 2003 8:08 PM Subject: Re: john sweet > Where is East Greenwich? I can't locate it as a county in New York or RI. > Cindi, I was wondering if the Oliver Sweet, son of Benjamin ,you mentioned in > your letter - ever went to Herkimer County, New York? In the 1790 Census > there is an Oliver there who has sons named Benjamin and Edmond living next > door. He would be born about 1746. > > Marilyn > > > ==== SWEET Mailing List ==== > List problems? First, read the Welcome Message that you received > when you subscribed to this list. > >

Thanks for all your responses to my inquiry re. John Sweet. However, please forgive me in butting in to the following question which Marilyn addressed to Cindi. The census in question is not the 1790 census but the 1800 census in Norway, Herkimer, NY. Oliver was listed in Easton, Washington, NY in the 1790 census. These are the same Sweets which I believe removed to Scriba, Oswego, NY. Oliver and Ruth purchased land there in 1806, along with several others of his neighbors in Norway, including the Coons and Wordens. The Worden-Sweet Cemetery in Scriba is located on part of the land Joseph Worden had originally purchased at the same time as Oliver. The Coons, Sweets (appeared as Swett/Sweat) and Wordens were listed together in the 1810 Oneida census since Oswego had not yet been formed. The relationships between these families continue in Scriba basically from that point on, appearing together in the 1820 census and even later. Paul On Sun, 6 Apr 2003 21:08:24 EDT Utahpal@aol.com writes: Cindi, I was wondering if the Oliver Sweet, son of Benjamin , you mentioned in your letter - ever went to Herkimer County, New York? In the 1790 Census there is an Oliver there who has sons named Benjamin and Edmond living next door. He would be born about 1746.

Where is East Greenwich? I can't locate it as a county in New York or RI. Cindi, I was wondering if the Oliver Sweet, son of Benjamin ,you mentioned in your letter - ever went to Herkimer County, New York? In the 1790 Census there is an Oliver there who has sons named Benjamin and Edmond living next door. He would be born about 1746. Marilyn

Benjamin Sweet's will can be found in the East Greenwich Probate records, Vol. 4, p. 128-131 (which can be ordered on microfilm through the Family History Library). It is dated 20 March 1783 and made by Benjamin Sweet of East Greenwich. He refers to, among others, his sons Paul and John, and if either of them should die before they attain the age of 21, their portion to be divided, etc. The John Sweet who married Mary Albro stated in his pension documents that he was born 11 March 1753 in North Kingstown. His file is #R10351 at the National Archives. Several years ago I posted a transcription of all the Rev. War Sweet files to the Sweet list, which should be archived. However I highly recommend that each researcher order the original records on microfilm to satisfy themselves of any transcription's accuracy. A son Oliver Sweet is referred to in Benjamin Sweet's will; he was left an eight acre parcel in EG bounded west on Samuel Sweet, south, east and north on highway. From the EG vital records (Arnold), this appears to be Oliver Sweet b. 18 August 1746 EG, son of Benjamin and Elizabeth. Arnold's EG vital records also contain a birth for John Sweet b. 12 March 1752 EG, son of Benjamin and Elizabeth. This birth year is not consistent with an under 21 year old John as referenced in the will of Benjamin Sweet, above. Cyndi Sweet -----Original Message----- From: pksweet@juno.com [mailto:pksweet@juno.com] Sent: Sunday, April 06, 2003 1:57 PM To: SWEET-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: john sweet I would appreciate some further clarification re. John Sweet, which I trust will clear up some confusion for me. This same John Sweet is often said to have been the son of Benjamin Sweet and Elizabeth Hill, based primarily on the dates of East Greenwich birth records. I have also read information discrediting this including Benjamin Sweet's will dated ca. 1788, in which he speaks of a son John, under the age of 21 (perhaps born to Benjamin's second marriage??). Is it possible that he had two sons named John, the first having been disowned by his father when he ran away to sea? I would appreciate it if anyone can help me clear up my confusion. Futhermore, in my search for information, I would like to know if anyone on the list actually has copies of these documents in their possession. The first is Benjamin's will, which I have read the abstract but never the actual text. The second is the pension file for John Sweet, again referred to but never offered in its full context. I would like to actually read the documents in question, if at all possible. Thanks, Paul Sweet A descendent of the Oliver Sweet, who I believe to have been the son of Benjamin Sweet and Elizabeth Hill. ==== SWEET Mailing List ==== Search this list's archived messages! http://searches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl

Good evening Paul, I have this SWEET line in my research. I have Benjamin as having two wives........Elizabeth Hill m. 1742 and Phebe m. 1761. Oliver and John were one of the 8 children on Benjamin and Elizabeth........if you are interested in this information you may e-mail me at triplet3@telus.net regards Patty ----- Original Message ----- From: <pksweet@juno.com> To: <SWEET-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, April 06, 2003 11:57 AM Subject: Re: john sweet > I would appreciate some further clarification re. John Sweet, which I > trust will clear up some confusion for me. This same John Sweet is often > said to have been the son of Benjamin Sweet and Elizabeth Hill, based > primarily on the dates of East Greenwich birth records. I have also read > information discrediting this including Benjamin Sweet's will dated ca. > 1788, in which he speaks of a son John, under the age of 21 (perhaps born > to Benjamin's second marriage??). Is it possible that he had two sons > named John, the first having been disowned by his father when he ran away > to sea? I would appreciate it if anyone can help me clear up my > confusion. > > Futhermore, in my search for information, I would like to know if anyone > on the list actually has copies of these documents in their possession. > The first is Benjamin's will, which I have read the abstract but never > the actual text. The second is the pension file for John Sweet, again > referred to but never offered in its full context. I would like to > actually read the documents in question, if at all possible. > > Thanks, > > Paul Sweet > A descendent of the Oliver Sweet, who I believe to have been the son of > Benjamin Sweet and Elizabeth Hill. > > > ==== SWEET Mailing List ==== > Search this list's archived messages! > http://searches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl >

I would appreciate some further clarification re. John Sweet, which I trust will clear up some confusion for me. This same John Sweet is often said to have been the son of Benjamin Sweet and Elizabeth Hill, based primarily on the dates of East Greenwich birth records. I have also read information discrediting this including Benjamin Sweet's will dated ca. 1788, in which he speaks of a son John, under the age of 21 (perhaps born to Benjamin's second marriage??). Is it possible that he had two sons named John, the first having been disowned by his father when he ran away to sea? I would appreciate it if anyone can help me clear up my confusion. Futhermore, in my search for information, I would like to know if anyone on the list actually has copies of these documents in their possession. The first is Benjamin's will, which I have read the abstract but never the actual text. The second is the pension file for John Sweet, again referred to but never offered in its full context. I would like to actually read the documents in question, if at all possible. Thanks, Paul Sweet A descendent of the Oliver Sweet, who I believe to have been the son of Benjamin Sweet and Elizabeth Hill.

I am looking for information on Francis W. SWEET who married Lavinia Harriet ING on September 1894 in Cookham (Maidenhead, Windsor, England) Francis was born in Wilts., Salisbury in 1864 In 1896 they had a son named Frank SWEET in Battersea, London (England) In 1901 they lived in London - Civil Parish: Battersea. Francis was a Railway Porter in 1901 Lavinia Harriet ING was born in Brentwood, Essex (Romford) in 1862. She had a Brother named Thomas Richard ING and a Brother named William Henry ING who were both born in Romford, Essex. George Thomas ING was the Father of Lavinia Harriet ING and George Thomas ING was born in Old Windsor, Berkshire. I would love to hear from anyone who might have information regarding these people. Regards, Laura ING Ontario, Canada lauraing@sympatico.ca

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/HBRBAIB/1185.1 Message Board Post: John SWEET (b.12 Mar 1752-East Greenwich,Kent,Rhode Island;d.11 Aug 1835-Smithfield,Madison,New York) sp: Mary ALBRO (b.31 Jul 1752-Exeter,Washington,Rhode Island;m.Abt 1773) Children: 1. Stephen SWEET (b.1774-,Dutchess,New York) sp: Mary C. (b.Abt 1784;m.Abt 1814) 2. John SWEET (b.1775-,Dutchess,New York) 3. Samuel SWEET (b.1776-,Dutchess,New York) 4. Benjamin SWEET (b.11 Aug 1778-,Dutchess,New York;d.25 Sep 1860-Chilton,Calumet,Wisconsin) sp: Hannah STANTON (b.1778-Albany,Albany,New York;m.1799;d.28 May 1860-Chilton,Calumet,Wisconsin) 5. James SWEET (b.Abt 1779-Cambridge,Washington,New York) 6. Layton SWEET (b.Abt 1780-Cambridge,Washington,New York) 7. Elsie SWEET (b.Abt 1782-Cambridge,Washington,New York) 8. Elizabeth SWEET (b.Abt 1784-Cambridge,Washington,New York) 9. Eunice SWEET (b.Abt 1786-Cambridge,Washington,New York) Source of Information: Genealogy and History of the Sweet Family in America By James Sylvester Perry Sweet. pg 74. John Sweet, was an ancestor of numerous Sweet families residing in Wisconsin, New York, and Michigan. He ran away from home to sea at the age of twelve years, and became a cabin boy. He did not return home until grown to manhood. After his return from sea he seems to have drifted to Dutchess County, New York, where it is stated that he married Mary Albro, daughter of Stephen and Alice Albro. The Albro family is also an old and widely known Rhode Island family, and it is possible that he found his wife in Rhode Island before moving to New York. He next located on a farm near Cambridge, in Washington County, New York, and was living upon this farm with his family at the time of his enlistment in the Revolutionary Army. He enlisted at Batemantown, Dutchess County, and served as a private in the New York troops, a part of the time under Captain Benjamin Knox! on and Colonel Humphrey. He subsequently, in 1832, was granted a pension for six months and twenty-one days service. John Sweet and his comrades surrounded a house up in Vermont in which were concealed a party of one hundred Tories and they captured the whole Tory Party. At the end of his enlistment, he left his wife and children on the farm in Washington County, New York, but during his absence his wife received word that the Indians were coming, burning and murdering all, so she hastily abandoned their home and possessions, and taking her children, fled home to her parents in Dutchess County, New York, where she was joined by her husband after his discharge from the service. The farm in Washington county was never re-occupied by the family and was either sold or abandoned. Later he lived with his children near Coeymans, Albany County, New York, and later still, the family seems to have removed to Oneida County and Madison Counties; one son, Benjamin settled near Chilto! n, Oneida County, and John at Stockbridge, Madison County. At the time of his application for a pension, John Sweet gave his residence as Smithfield, New York.

. John SWEET (b.12 Mar 1752-East Greenwich,Kent,Rhode Island;d.11 Aug 1835-Smithfield,Madison,New York) sp: Mary ALBRO (b.31 Jul 1752-Exeter,Washington,Rhode Island;m.Abt 1773) Children: 1. Stephen SWEET (b.1774-,Dutchess,New York) sp: Mary C. (b.Abt 1784;m.Abt 1814) 2. John SWEET (b.1775-,Dutchess,New York) 3. Samuel SWEET (b.1776-,Dutchess,New York) 4. Benjamin SWEET (b.11 Aug 1778-,Dutchess,New York;d.25 Sep 1860-Chilton,Calumet,Wisconsin) sp: Hannah STANTON (b.1778-Albany,Albany,New York;m.1799;d.28 May 1860-Chilton,Calumet,Wisconsin) 5. James SWEET (b.Abt 1779-Cambridge,Washington,New York) 6. Layton SWEET (b.Abt 1780-Cambridge,Washington,New York) 7. Elsie SWEET (b.Abt 1782-Cambridge,Washington,New York) 8. Elizabeth SWEET (b.Abt 1784-Cambridge,Washington,New York) 9. Eunice SWEET (b.Abt 1786-Cambridge,Washington,New York) Source of Information: Genealogy and History of the Sweet Family in America By James Sylvester Perry Sweet. pg 74. John Sweet, was an ancestor of numerous Sweet families residing in Wisconsin, New York, and Michigan. He ran away from home to sea at the age of twelve years, and became a cabin boy. He did not return home until grown to manhood. After his return from sea he seems to have drifted to Dutchess County, New York, where it is stated that he married Mary Albro, daughter of Stephen and Alice Albro. The Albro family is also an old and widely known Rhode Island family, and it is possible that he found his wife in Rhode Island before moving to New York. He next located on a farm near Cambridge, in Washington County, New York, and was living upon this farm with his family at the time of his enlistment in the Revolutionary Army. He enlisted at Batemantown, Dutchess County, and served as a private in the New York troops, a part of the time under Captain Benjamin Knoxon and Colonel Humphrey. He subsequently, in 1832, was granted a pension for six months and twenty-one days service. John Sweet and his comrades surrounded a house up in Vermont in which were concealed a party of one hundred Tories and they captured the whole Tory Party. At the end of his enlistment, he left his wife and children on the farm in Washington County, New York, but during his absence his wife received word that the Indians were coming, burning and murdering all, so she hastily abandoned their home and possessions, and taking her children, fled home to her parents in Dutchess County, New York, where she was joined by her husband after his discharge from the service. The farm in Washington county was never re-occupied by the family and was either sold or abandoned. Later he lived with his children near Coeymans, Albany County, New York, and later still, the family seems to have removed to Oneida County and Madison Counties; one son, Benjamin settled near Chilton, Oneida County, and John at Stockbridge, Madison County. At the time of his application for a pension, John Sweet gave his residence as Smithfield, New York.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: sweet, albro Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/HBRBAIB/1185 Message Board Post: Looking for a John Sweet who died in Madison county, NY in the period 1820-1837. He married Mary Albro

John: I would be interested in participating in the DNA research project. I trace my Sweet lineage to Jonathon Sweet (1732-1792) who was born in RI, most likely Smithfield, but moved to Richmond, NH. He is suspected to be the son of Jeremiah, who descended from John Sweet of Devonshire, but I have not seen any conclusive proof of that relationship. Please keep me informed of the progress of this venture and let me know what I need to do. Joseph Sweet 36 Bean Farm Dr. Kingston, RI 02881 (401) 783-2679 -----Original Message----- From: John F. Chandler [mailto:JCHBN@CUVMB.CC.COLUMBIA.EDU] Sent: Thursday, April 03, 2003 5:33 PM To: SWEET-L@rootsweb.com Subject: How DNA studies usually work I've received some questions about the mechanics of running a DNA study. Most of them involve three issues: eligibility, privacy, and cost. 1. Eligibility. Aside from rare cases, it's very simple. Any male whose surname is Sweet (aside from adoptions or whatever), is eligible for the Sweet Y-DNA study. For the initial phase of the study, it is preferable to have Sweets who have traced their lineage back in an unbroken father-to-son line from one of the known founders. In past discussions on SWEET-L, the most commonly mentioned founder has been John Sweet who died soon after arriving in New England and whose family settled in Rhode Island. Others include John Sweet/Swett who settled in Newbury, Mass., and Henry Sweet of Swansea, Mass., who settled in Attleborough. Note: anubody who is VERY closely related (e.g., a brother or father of first cousin) is likely to have exactly the same DNA pattern as you. For the purposes of this study, only one of you is needed. 2. Privacy. This would be at the individual participant's discretion. The only information that would necessarily be revealed to the public would be an arbitrary numeric code for the participant and the actual DNA measurements. These measurements are simply the numbers of repeats of short segments of DNA at specific places on the Y chromosome that have no intrinsic meaning and no genetic function. If you look at the web page for any one of the hundreds of ongoing surname-based DNA studies, you will see a table of such values. They always look like a meaningless string of numbers ranging from about 8 to about 30 (because that is indeed what they are). The meaning comes entirely from comparing the results for one person against the results for another. We can group the results into families according to which ones are identical or nearly so. If two or more members of one particular group identified in this manner have traced their lineages back to the same founder, and if *all* of the tested descendants of that founder turn out to belong to that same group, then we can deduce that the founder had the same pattern as well. There is no need for any personal information about the participants, other than this identification with a remote ancestor. However, I suspect that many of the participants who have *not* traced their lines all the way back will want to be able to compare notes with other participants (if any) who match exactly. We will have to set up procedures to allow such people to get together if they wish. The testing companies can provide some of that matchmaking. Incidentally, this all assumes that there will be a web page devoted to the Sweet DNA study. I would be glad to provide such a page, but I don't have any personal web space that I could use. If anyone wants to volunteer some web space (a few dozen kilobytes should do it), that would be a useful contribution. One of the concerns that many people seem to have is whether an insurance company might somehow gain access to the DNA sample and make unauthorized use of it. I don't think that's possible. For the lab I'm mainly considering, the DNA testing is done without even the name of the participant, just an arbitrary numeric code. There is a front office that handles the bookkeeping, sends out testing kits, and gets back the samples. They then forward the samples with just the identifying numbers to a laboratory in a different state, where the processing is done, and the DNA sample is preserved in case another test is called for. In short, the front office has the names, and the lab has the DNA, so neither one can leak anything meaningful. 3. Cost. The best price I know of from a commercial DNA testing company is $99 (that's a group rate). Obviously, some people might consider this rate a bargain while others might consider it expensive. If anyone here is a molecular biologist and would be willing to do these tests "at cost", I'm sure we could come up with a cheaper rate, but it would involve a lot of work on the part of the volunteer, so I wouldn't count on arranging something like that. One further note: several people have written to me privately, saying they would be interested in participating. If just a few more jump in, we'll have the nucleus of a meaningful study. However, nobody has mentioned specifically being a descendant of John of Newbury or Henry of Attleborough. It is useful to start out with known descendants of different founders, so that something will be learned right at the beginning. John Chandler ==== SWEET Mailing List ==== Visit Daisy's Sweet Home Page! http://www.rootsweb.com/~daisy/sweet.htm

----- Original Message ----- From: "John F. Chandler" <JCHBN@CUVMB.CC.COLUMBIA.EDU> To: <SWEET-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, April 02, 2003 3:42 PM Subject: DNA testing for Sweet genealogy > As a follow-up to my previous note, I should mention that all those > who have responded either to the list or to me privately are female. > The ultimate issue in deciding whether to organize a Sweet DNA study > is whether or not there is enough interest among potential testees to > make a meaningful study. As I said before, the potential testees are > males whose surname is Sweet (or would be Sweet, except for an adoption > or other break in the usual inheritance). If you are a potential > testee and could be convinced to join if and when the study gets going, > it would be nice to have a show of hands. If you are interested, but > not a potential testee, here's what you can do. Basically, there is > a list of prospects, and you just have to work your way down the list > until you find one that works... > > 1. Yourself - if you are female, that's out; if you are male, but not > a Sweet, that's out, and you can also skip #2 and #3; > if you are male and married to a Sweet, then just take > your wife's point of view for the rest of the list... > 2. Brothers - can often be persuaded to participate for your sake... > 3. Father - also very persuadable... > 4. Uncles or 1st cousins - you just have to ask nicely and/or appeal > to their interest (if any) in family history... > 5. 2nd cousins or 1st cousins once removed... > 6. and so on... > > I know that lots of researchers focus on their own ancestors, so that the > "and so on" may require research you haven't done yet, but it's still > something that should be within reach if you start working on it. > > The goal in all this is to come up with (collectively) at least two > descendants of each identifiable Sweet "founder", preferably via > at least two different sons of the founder. Assuming that the > DNA test results agree for the documented descendants of the > progenitor, we can "reconstruct" the DNA pattern for that progenitor > and then compare against the DNA patterns of other progenitors to see > if they were related. It's really that simple. Consider, for example, > the two John Sweets who came to Massachusetts in the early days and > both started out in what became Essex County. As we all know, one > soon relocated to Rhode Island (or, at least, his family did -- the > founder's death is not recorded, so it's not clear whether he actually > moved or not). At any rate, many people assume these two were cousins, > but nobody has any proof. A DNA study might prove that the two were > indeed related, or it might prove they were not. This would move the > whole question from the realm of speculation to the realm of fact. > > John Chandler > > PS In my own case, the nearest Sweet is my wife's mother's mother's > mother, who had a sister, but no brother. Her father had two sisters, > but no brother. HIS father had a sister, but no brother. This gets > us back to 1760 before the possibility of a connection opens up. I > didn't promise it would be easy! > > > ==== SWEET Mailing List ==== > Visit Daisy's Sweet Home Page! > http://www.rootsweb.com/~daisy/sweet.htm > >

I've received some questions about the mechanics of running a DNA study. Most of them involve three issues: eligibility, privacy, and cost. 1. Eligibility. Aside from rare cases, it's very simple. Any male whose surname is Sweet (aside from adoptions or whatever), is eligible for the Sweet Y-DNA study. For the initial phase of the study, it is preferable to have Sweets who have traced their lineage back in an unbroken father-to-son line from one of the known founders. In past discussions on SWEET-L, the most commonly mentioned founder has been John Sweet who died soon after arriving in New England and whose family settled in Rhode Island. Others include John Sweet/Swett who settled in Newbury, Mass., and Henry Sweet of Swansea, Mass., who settled in Attleborough. Note: anubody who is VERY closely related (e.g., a brother or father of first cousin) is likely to have exactly the same DNA pattern as you. For the purposes of this study, only one of you is needed. 2. Privacy. This would be at the individual participant's discretion. The only information that would necessarily be revealed to the public would be an arbitrary numeric code for the participant and the actual DNA measurements. These measurements are simply the numbers of repeats of short segments of DNA at specific places on the Y chromosome that have no intrinsic meaning and no genetic function. If you look at the web page for any one of the hundreds of ongoing surname-based DNA studies, you will see a table of such values. They always look like a meaningless string of numbers ranging from about 8 to about 30 (because that is indeed what they are). The meaning comes entirely from comparing the results for one person against the results for another. We can group the results into families according to which ones are identical or nearly so. If two or more members of one particular group identified in this manner have traced their lineages back to the same founder, and if *all* of the tested descendants of that founder turn out to belong to that same group, then we can deduce that the founder had the same pattern as well. There is no need for any personal information about the participants, other than this identification with a remote ancestor. However, I suspect that many of the participants who have *not* traced their lines all the way back will want to be able to compare notes with other participants (if any) who match exactly. We will have to set up procedures to allow such people to get together if they wish. The testing companies can provide some of that matchmaking. Incidentally, this all assumes that there will be a web page devoted to the Sweet DNA study. I would be glad to provide such a page, but I don't have any personal web space that I could use. If anyone wants to volunteer some web space (a few dozen kilobytes should do it), that would be a useful contribution. One of the concerns that many people seem to have is whether an insurance company might somehow gain access to the DNA sample and make unauthorized use of it. I don't think that's possible. For the lab I'm mainly considering, the DNA testing is done without even the name of the participant, just an arbitrary numeric code. There is a front office that handles the bookkeeping, sends out testing kits, and gets back the samples. They then forward the samples with just the identifying numbers to a laboratory in a different state, where the processing is done, and the DNA sample is preserved in case another test is called for. In short, the front office has the names, and the lab has the DNA, so neither one can leak anything meaningful. 3. Cost. The best price I know of from a commercial DNA testing company is $99 (that's a group rate). Obviously, some people might consider this rate a bargain while others might consider it expensive. If anyone here is a molecular biologist and would be willing to do these tests "at cost", I'm sure we could come up with a cheaper rate, but it would involve a lot of work on the part of the volunteer, so I wouldn't count on arranging something like that. One further note: several people have written to me privately, saying they would be interested in participating. If just a few more jump in, we'll have the nucleus of a meaningful study. However, nobody has mentioned specifically being a descendant of John of Newbury or Henry of Attleborough. It is useful to start out with known descendants of different founders, so that something will be learned right at the beginning. John Chandler

As a follow-up to my previous note, I should mention that all those who have responded either to the list or to me privately are female. The ultimate issue in deciding whether to organize a Sweet DNA study is whether or not there is enough interest among potential testees to make a meaningful study. As I said before, the potential testees are males whose surname is Sweet (or would be Sweet, except for an adoption or other break in the usual inheritance). If you are a potential testee and could be convinced to join if and when the study gets going, it would be nice to have a show of hands. If you are interested, but not a potential testee, here's what you can do. Basically, there is a list of prospects, and you just have to work your way down the list until you find one that works... 1. Yourself - if you are female, that's out; if you are male, but not a Sweet, that's out, and you can also skip #2 and #3; if you are male and married to a Sweet, then just take your wife's point of view for the rest of the list... 2. Brothers - can often be persuaded to participate for your sake... 3. Father - also very persuadable... 4. Uncles or 1st cousins - you just have to ask nicely and/or appeal to their interest (if any) in family history... 5. 2nd cousins or 1st cousins once removed... 6. and so on... I know that lots of researchers focus on their own ancestors, so that the "and so on" may require research you haven't done yet, but it's still something that should be within reach if you start working on it. The goal in all this is to come up with (collectively) at least two descendants of each identifiable Sweet "founder", preferably via at least two different sons of the founder. Assuming that the DNA test results agree for the documented descendants of the progenitor, we can "reconstruct" the DNA pattern for that progenitor and then compare against the DNA patterns of other progenitors to see if they were related. It's really that simple. Consider, for example, the two John Sweets who came to Massachusetts in the early days and both started out in what became Essex County. As we all know, one soon relocated to Rhode Island (or, at least, his family did -- the founder's death is not recorded, so it's not clear whether he actually moved or not). At any rate, many people assume these two were cousins, but nobody has any proof. A DNA study might prove that the two were indeed related, or it might prove they were not. This would move the whole question from the realm of speculation to the realm of fact. John Chandler PS In my own case, the nearest Sweet is my wife's mother's mother's mother, who had a sister, but no brother. Her father had two sisters, but no brother. HIS father had a sister, but no brother. This gets us back to 1760 before the possibility of a connection opens up. I didn't promise it would be easy!

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/HBRBAIB/1184.4 Message Board Post: Hi, I would like to join the group or other groups that you may be aware of that I am not. Regards, John Sweet

> Sounds like a good idea. I am researching the Sweatt family that was in Yorkville, York County, S.C. in the 1700s and late 1800s. These are very difficult people to trace and every name is important. Please add me to your list od members. dmmsc@tds.net Doris > From: miche371@ameritech.net > Date: 2003/03/28 Fri AM 10:01:05 CST > To: SWEET-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: Sweet genealogy > > This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. > > Surnames: Sweet/Sweete/Sweat/Swett > Classification: Query > > Message Board URL: > > http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/HBRBAIB/1184 > > Message Board Post: > > Hi all, > I have started a Yahoo group called sweetgenealogy. It is a group where researchers can exchange information on the Sweet/Sweete/Sweat and anyother variation of the name. It is close to this message board but you can also post pictures and other great stuff. If you would like to join please e-mail me and I'll send you an invitation to join. Hope you'll join, Michelle Gonzales > > > ==== SWEET Mailing List ==== > Search this list's archived messages! > http://searches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl > >

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/HBRBAIB/1157.3 Message Board Post: Hi Gin, Yes, that is the big question in the Sweet Research. There is allot of theory out there but no proof. I am starting to believe that his family records were burned during the Revolution.There is a new web page called To: sweetgenealogy@yahoogroups.com Michelle Gonzales started this site just recently. She posted a message on this board on 3/28/03, I am really enjoying the sharing. I think if there is an answer to Moses someone there will find it. Happy hunting, Margaret