Yes, I see a connection Lewis W. (Wesley) Sweet was my uncle. He was living in OK at that time. Dixie Smith walker613@prodigy.net wrote: > > This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. > > Classification: Query > > Message Board URL: > > http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/HBRBAIB/1197 > > Message Board Post: > > The following is a list of names taken from newspaper articles conerning the GIBSON-RHOADES-SWEET Reunions for years 1937-1946. > If you see a connection, contact me. > cottentail@geusnet.com > > SURNAME(Given) (Residence) > Albertson Mrs. Myrtle Houston > Boren Mrs. H.D. Lampasas > Brister Samuel Lometa > CLARK Coleman Grand Saline > CLOWER G.T. (Mr. & Mrs.) Grand Saline > Clower George (Mr. & Mrs.) Lamesa > Dixon H.M. (Mr. & Mrs.) Rumley > Dodds Homer (Mr. & Mrs.) Royston > Dorr R.S. (Mr. & Mrs.) Houston > Gibson A.G. (Mr. & Mrs.) Waco > GIBSON A.J. (Mr. & Mrs.) Lometa > GIBSON A.J. Jr. Bruceville > Gibson Aubrey Lometa > GIBSON B.F. (Mr. & Mrs.) Brownwood > Gibson B.G. (Mr. & Mrs.) Brownwood > GIBSON Byron (Mr. & Mrs.) Brownwood > GIBSON G.B. Marble Falls > GIBSON Pleas (Mr. & Mrs.) Burnet > Gibson Pvt. W.E. (Mr. & Mrs.) Victoria > Gibson W.E. (Mr. & Mrs.) Brownwood > GIBSON W.P. Lampasas > GIBSON Wibur (Mr. & Mrs.) Brownwood > Gibson Wilbur Houston > Green R.L. (Mr. & Mrs.) Royston > January A.P. (Mr. & Mrs.) Lampasas > January Mrs. Gus Lampasas > LaFerney Corp. Cletous Midland > LaFerney J.C. (Mr. & Mrs.) Houston > McDOWELL Mrs. Owens > Phillips Herny (Mr. & Mrs.) Taylor > Pope Alton Lometa > Pope Miss Sophia Lometa > Pope Mrs. Ruth Lometa > Pope Troy Lometa > REED Emmett (Mr. & Mrs.) Waco > Rhoades C.W. (Mr. & Mrs.) Copperas Cove > Rhoades Dauris E. (Mr. & Mrs.) Copperas Cove > Rhoades Emmett (Mr. & Mrs.) Copperas Cove > Rhoades Forest Lampasas > Rhoades John Red Oak > Rhoades John Lockhart > Rhoades Mrs. Ada Lockhart > Rhoades Mrs. Doris Copperas Cove > Rhoades Don Copperas Cove > Stewart Ed (Mr. & Mrs.) Lampasas > STEWART Mrs. W.E. Kemper > STONE H.L. (Mr. & Mrs.) Houston > SWEET Lewis W. (Mr. & Mrs.) Mangum, OK. > Sweet Mrs. Joe Mangum, OK. > TATE Chig (Mr. & Mrs.) San Saba > Tate Harwood (Mr. & Mrs.) > Taylor Frank J. Mangum, OK. > Taylor Gilbert Mangum, OK. > Taylor Hugh G. Mangum, OK. > Thorpe Lewis (Mr. & Mrs.) Adamsville > Todd Burnice Lometa > Todd Elsie May Lometa > Todd Jearlene Lometa > Todd Jes Lometa > Todd Mozelle Lometa > Wall C.B. (Mr. & Mrs.) Marble Falls > WALL Sherman (Mr. & Mrs.) Marble Falls > Williams Bob Pasadena > Williams Fred S. Pasadena > Winfield Roy (Mr. & Mrs.) Waco > WRIGHT Mrs. Margaret Brownwood > Yarbrough Fred (Mr. & Mrs.) Denver City > Yarbrough Hugh (Mr. & Mrs.) San Saba > Yarbrough Hulan Lampasas > Yarbrough Jesse (Mr. & Mrs.) San Saba > > ==== SWEET Mailing List ==== > Visit Daisy's Sweet Home Page! > http://www.rootsweb.com/~daisy/sweet.htm

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/HBRBAIB/1197 Message Board Post: The following is a list of names taken from newspaper articles conerning the GIBSON-RHOADES-SWEET Reunions for years 1937-1946. If you see a connection, contact me. cottentail@geusnet.com SURNAME(Given) (Residence) Albertson Mrs. Myrtle Houston Boren Mrs. H.D. Lampasas Brister Samuel Lometa CLARK Coleman Grand Saline CLOWER G.T. (Mr. & Mrs.) Grand Saline Clower George (Mr. & Mrs.) Lamesa Dixon H.M. (Mr. & Mrs.) Rumley Dodds Homer (Mr. & Mrs.) Royston Dorr R.S. (Mr. & Mrs.) Houston Gibson A.G. (Mr. & Mrs.) Waco GIBSON A.J. (Mr. & Mrs.) Lometa GIBSON A.J. Jr. Bruceville Gibson Aubrey Lometa GIBSON B.F. (Mr. & Mrs.) Brownwood Gibson B.G. (Mr. & Mrs.) Brownwood GIBSON Byron (Mr. & Mrs.) Brownwood GIBSON G.B. Marble Falls GIBSON Pleas (Mr. & Mrs.) Burnet Gibson Pvt. W.E. (Mr. & Mrs.) Victoria Gibson W.E. (Mr. & Mrs.) Brownwood GIBSON W.P. Lampasas GIBSON Wibur (Mr. & Mrs.) Brownwood Gibson Wilbur Houston Green R.L. (Mr. & Mrs.) Royston January A.P. (Mr. & Mrs.) Lampasas January Mrs. Gus Lampasas LaFerney Corp. Cletous Midland LaFerney J.C. (Mr. & Mrs.) Houston McDOWELL Mrs. Owens Phillips Herny (Mr. & Mrs.) Taylor Pope Alton Lometa Pope Miss Sophia Lometa Pope Mrs. Ruth Lometa Pope Troy Lometa REED Emmett (Mr. & Mrs.) Waco Rhoades C.W. (Mr. & Mrs.) Copperas Cove Rhoades Dauris E. (Mr. & Mrs.) Copperas Cove Rhoades Emmett (Mr. & Mrs.) Copperas Cove Rhoades Forest Lampasas Rhoades John Red Oak Rhoades John Lockhart Rhoades Mrs. Ada Lockhart Rhoades Mrs. Doris Copperas Cove Rhoades Don Copperas Cove Stewart Ed (Mr. & Mrs.) Lampasas STEWART Mrs. W.E. Kemper STONE H.L. (Mr. & Mrs.) Houston SWEET Lewis W. (Mr. & Mrs.) Mangum, OK. Sweet Mrs. Joe Mangum, OK. TATE Chig (Mr. & Mrs.) San Saba Tate Harwood (Mr. & Mrs.) Taylor Frank J. Mangum, OK. Taylor Gilbert Mangum, OK. Taylor Hugh G. Mangum, OK. Thorpe Lewis (Mr. & Mrs.) Adamsville Todd Burnice Lometa Todd Elsie May Lometa Todd Jearlene Lometa Todd Jes Lometa Todd Mozelle Lometa Wall C.B. (Mr. & Mrs.) Marble Falls WALL Sherman (Mr. & Mrs.) Marble Falls Williams Bob Pasadena Williams Fred S. Pasadena Winfield Roy (Mr. & Mrs.) Waco WRIGHT Mrs. Margaret Brownwood Yarbrough Fred (Mr. & Mrs.) Denver City Yarbrough Hugh (Mr. & Mrs.) San Saba Yarbrough Hulan Lampasas Yarbrough Jesse (Mr. & Mrs.) San Saba

Sorry about the "blank" message. Peleg is not related to me, I was responding to the fact that you had much knowledge of the SWEETs. My only relation, at this time, is Phebe SWEET who married John PIERCE in Cortland Co., NY in 1820. Do you have anything that would relate to Cortland Co. SWEETs, understanding that Phebe may not have been born there? Yes, the Phebe you mentioned does appear possibly to be married, depending where the BURR is positioned. Other possibilities: Burr could be a middle name? Could be that Phebe you mention might be adopted? Laura ----- Original Message ----- From: <DCarp3931@aol.com> To: <SWEET-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, May 06, 2003 6:43 PM Subject: Re: Peleg Sweet > Laura, > > There are 4 or 5 Phebe-Phoebe's One was born 1796 (under 10 in the 1800 > census) > then it says m ---- Burr. I assume this as married wouldn't you? This family > was > Henry Sweet father b 1756 Dutchess Co, NY d 1820 Madison Co, NY. Eunice > Kennedy mother from Ireland. Children were Francis Sweet, Eunice Sweet, Levi > Sweet, Robert Sherman Sweet, Theophilus Sweet, Joseph Henry Sweet, Henry > Sweet, Phebe Sweet. How is the Peleg Sweet connected to you? There seem to > be many in this book. > > Let me know if you want me to check further. > Linda > > > ==== SWEET Mailing List ==== > Visit Daisy's Sweet Home Page! > http://www.rootsweb.com/~daisy/sweet.htm > Visit Daisy's Roots! > http://www.rootsweb.com/~daisy/1daisy.htm >

----- Original Message ----- From: <DCarp3931@aol.com> To: <SWEET-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, May 06, 2003 6:43 PM Subject: Re: Peleg Sweet > Laura, > > There are 4 or 5 Phebe-Phoebe's One was born 1796 (under 10 in the 1800 > census) > then it says m ---- Burr. I assume this as married wouldn't you? This family > was > Henry Sweet father b 1756 Dutchess Co, NY d 1820 Madison Co, NY. Eunice > Kennedy mother from Ireland. Children were Francis Sweet, Eunice Sweet, Levi > Sweet, Robert Sherman Sweet, Theophilus Sweet, Joseph Henry Sweet, Henry > Sweet, Phebe Sweet. How is the Peleg Sweet connected to you? There seem to > be many in this book. > > Let me know if you want me to check further. > Linda > > > ==== SWEET Mailing List ==== > Visit Daisy's Sweet Home Page! > http://www.rootsweb.com/~daisy/sweet.htm > Visit Daisy's Roots! > http://www.rootsweb.com/~daisy/1daisy.htm >

Laura, There are 4 or 5 Phebe-Phoebe's One was born 1796 (under 10 in the 1800 census) then it says m ---- Burr. I assume this as married wouldn't you? This family was Henry Sweet father b 1756 Dutchess Co, NY d 1820 Madison Co, NY. Eunice Kennedy mother from Ireland. Children were Francis Sweet, Eunice Sweet, Levi Sweet, Robert Sherman Sweet, Theophilus Sweet, Joseph Henry Sweet, Henry Sweet, Phebe Sweet. How is the Peleg Sweet connected to you? There seem to be many in this book. Let me know if you want me to check further. Linda

Linda, is there a Phe(o)be SWEET in your book - born about 1800? A Phebe SWEET married my gg grfr John PIERCE in Cortland Co., NY. I have found SWEETs in the county, but so far no way to connect Phebe to them. There is apparently another Phoebe SWEET born about that time, but what I have seen, do not believe it to be my Phebe. Laura GENTNER DUNWALD Grants Pass, OR ----- Original Message ----- From: <DCarp3931@aol.com> To: <SWEET-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, May 04, 2003 3:40 PM Subject: Re: Peleg Sweet > Regarding the Sweet to Sweet book if you have not found it maybe I can help. > I also have the book if you want me to check anything for you. Sorry I am > late in answering this email, have been very busy, but will help now if I > can. Linda > > > ==== SWEET Mailing List ==== > List problems? First, read the Welcome Message that you received > when you subscribed to this list. >

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Sweet Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/HBRBAIB/1156.2.1.1.1.1.1 Message Board Post: make that 2/29/1884!

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Sweet Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/HBRBAIB/1156.2.1.1.1.1 Message Board Post: Otha was my Grandfather, born 2/28/1884 in Cook county IL. He left home at about 17, because of a family conflict. Something to do with his mother, perhaps being put into a hospital or institution? He became a professional wrestler, and broke his back prior to 1920. He lived in Iowa, married my Grandmother, Lena Wilkening,I'll have to look up that date! He became the town marshall of State Center, Iowa around that time too. He spoke of a sister Zelda, and that he had 7 sisters and brothers. My Aunt remembers that he received word of his mother's death sometime in 1927. On his marriage cert, his parents are listed as Columbus, and Louisa Sweet. I have a few dates but that's about it. I have never been able to connect him to any other Sweet family, nor had my father prior to his death in 1989. My father visited a town in IL, that had plenty of Sweet's in the 80's and one of the male Sweet's gave him a Sweet history, of the Sweet's in the area, and we didn't connect to any of t! hem. Let me know if you can help!

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/HBRBAIB/1156.2.1.1.1 Message Board Post: No Cindi, I have Orpha but no Otha. no Ambrose by itself either. do you have a date? or perhaps a location? Have you tried genforum.com and/or rootsweb's world connect? Shirley

Regarding the Sweet to Sweet book if you have not found it maybe I can help. I also have the book if you want me to check anything for you. Sorry I am late in answering this email, have been very busy, but will help now if I can. Linda

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Sweet Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/HBRBAIB/1156.2.1.1 Message Board Post: Have you ever come across an Otha Ambrose Sweet?

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/HBRBAIB/1174.1 Message Board Post: What is your Kronenberger connection? Perhaps I can help.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Sweet/Fadden Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/HBRBAIB/1196 Message Board Post: I am searching for information about a Mr. Sweet who married Amelia Martha Fadden around 1871 in McLeod or Sibley County, MN. They had a son, John Sweet. I'm assuming Mr. Sweet died as Amelia Fadden Sweet married William James in 1786 and son John Sweet eventually went by John James. Who was Mr. Sweet, when did he and Amelia get married and what became of him?

Anita wrote: > group of college students who they did a DNA study on. I believe it was > a Mitochondria study, but I didn't get to sit and watch it all. > > Before hand they predicted who they would have the most similarities > with. Asian students thought they would match other Asians, African > American to other African Americans, etc. If the group of students included both males and females, then the test was almost certainly mitochondrial DNA. Some of the types of mtDNA are very widely dispersed, much more so than a lot of the Y DNA types. One distinction between the commercial DNA tests for the two is the underlying mutation rates -- the markers tested for Y DNA are strings of DNA that can change length relatively easily, i.e., once on average in 500 generations, but the markers for mtDNA are individual bases that can spontaneously change, but only once on average in a million or so generations. By looking at hundreds of different bases, you can find lots of these variations, but the whole process is so slow that the mtDNA patterns have a chance to spread far and wide before another mutation comes along. That means mtDNA doesn't help much with most genealogical questions. (It's notable success was in confirming the identity of the skeletons of the murdered Romanovs found in Siberia.) The advantage of Y DNA is that the time scale of mutation is fast enough that there are lots of different patterns around, but slow enough that a genealogical study like this Sweet project will run into only a few mutations (which can be identified as such), so that differing Sweet lines can be sorted out (assuming that there indeed are different lines). John Chandler

> > I certainly appreciate the value of Y chromosome DNA testing ..... ......there are times when people match up by sheer coincidence...... Did anyone see the show TV on the other day? I am not sure which station as I don't get to control the remote control. :-) It was a group of college students who they did a DNA study on. I believe it was a Mitochondria study, but I didn't get to sit and watch it all. Before hand they predicted who they would have the most similarities with. Asian students thought they would match other Asians, African American to other African Americans, etc. But the results were surprising. Students had exact or nearly exact matches in countries that were completely different than they expected and the most similarities in their study group with completely unpredicted people. One young man even had two in odd countries, but very few similarities with the students in the group who would appear to have the most similar background. Anita

Ken wrote: > I certainly appreciate the value of Y chromosome DNA testing and realize > what a benefit it will be to some, but I am not a "Sweet" Well, for that matter, neither am I, so my desire to participate has to be sublimated into the form of organizing the DNA study. We all do what we can. > yet I am as much a > Sweet as all the rest of you. My grandmother four generations ago, 1Brown, > 2Spitsbergen, 3James Dyer, 4Lyman Dyer, 5Jeremiah Dyer and his wife, > 5Patience Sweet, dau. of 6Jeremiah Sweet of Providence Co., RI. makes me > just as closely related as if I were the grandson of Benjamin Sweet, the son > of Jeremiah Sweet, rather than Patience Sweet, the daughter. And yet, > Y-Chromosome testing leaves me out in the cold. For a male with a Sweet > surname who can not connect, I understand that this would be very helpful, > but is there any way of connecting for the rest of us? Yes, but it's a little indirect -- your task, should you accept it, is to reach out and call that cousin of yours (who *is* a male Sweet and who *does* trace back through the male line to Jeremiah Sweet) and convince him that it would be a good idea to join the DNA project. The fact is that this sort of DNA testing doesn't tell you anything about yourself, since the markers tested have no genetic function at all. The only thing interesting about these markers is that they vary from person to person, so you *can* learn something by comparing your results with someone else, i.e., whether or not you are related. Of course, there are times when people match up by sheer coincidence, but by comparing only with people who share the same surname, you can be pretty confident that a match is a relative. In any case, a non-match is not a (biological) relative. > Also, has anyone considered that a Sweet surname does not necessarily > connect one biologically to any Sweet family? Some may be unexpectedly > surprized. That's true. It does happen sometimes, but far less often than you might expect. I hear (modern) stories of systematic blood tests of newborns and their parents that indicate truly astonishing levels of mismatch between the babies and their supposed fathers -- as high as 10%, and that's just the percentage who can't possibly be related. If that kind of nonpaternity rate were extended into the past, it wouldn't take long for every family to be completely scrambled. Fortunately, most families do match up, and these surprises are relatively rare. John Chandler

To John and all, I certainly appreciate the value of Y chromosome DNA testing and realize what a benefit it will be to some, but I am not a "Sweet" yet I am as much a Sweet as all the rest of you. My grandmother four generations ago, 1Brown, 2Spitsbergen, 3James Dyer, 4Lyman Dyer, 5Jeremiah Dyer and his wife, 5Patience Sweet, dau. of 6Jeremiah Sweet of Providence Co., RI. makes me just as closely related as if I were the grandson of Benjamin Sweet, the son of Jeremiah Sweet, rather than Patience Sweet, the daughter. And yet, Y-Chromosome testing leaves me out in the cold. For a male with a Sweet surname who can not connect, I understand that this would be very helpful, but is there any way of connecting for the rest of us? Ken Brown Michigan Also, has anyone considered that a Sweet surname does not necessarily connect one biologically to any Sweet family? Some may be unexpectedly surprized. ----- Original Message ----- From: <jchbn@cuvmb.cc.columbia.edu> To: <SWEET-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, April 29, 2003 5:13 PM Subject: Re: Sweet family DNA project/this is a male thing > This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. > > Classification: Query > > Message Board URL: > > http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/HBRBAIB/1195.1.1.1.1.2 > > Message Board Post: > > Bruce mentioned mitochondrial DNA. True, that is something > females have, but it wouldn't be appropriate for a Sweet > study. Suppose your mother or grandmother was a Sweet: you > could test your mtDNA, knowing that you got it from your > mother (and from *her* mother before that), but the chances > are that your mother's mother's mother was *not* a Sweet. > In short, there is nothing about a mitochondrial signature > that marks it as Sweet DNA. In contrast, the Y chromosome > is passed more-or-less unchanged from father to son, right > down the line, and every member of that line is named Sweet > (or Swett or whatever). This means that any living male > Sweet can stand as DNA proxy for his earliest known Sweet > ancestor. By comparing the Y DNA signatures, we can tell > which Sweet lines are related to each other and which are > not. This is something that conventional genealogical > research can (and should) do, up to a point, but DNA testing > can take us past the "brick walls" on any and all lines at > the same time. The more testees who participate, the more > information can be obtained. > > John Chandler > > > ==== SWEET Mailing List ==== > Visit Daisy's Sweet Home Page! > http://www.rootsweb.com/~daisy/sweet.htm >

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/HBRBAIB/1195.1.1.1.1.2.1 Message Board Post: That's why I said they had to be used in combination.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/HBRBAIB/1195.1.1.1.1.2 Message Board Post: Bruce mentioned mitochondrial DNA. True, that is something females have, but it wouldn't be appropriate for a Sweet study. Suppose your mother or grandmother was a Sweet: you could test your mtDNA, knowing that you got it from your mother (and from *her* mother before that), but the chances are that your mother's mother's mother was *not* a Sweet. In short, there is nothing about a mitochondrial signature that marks it as Sweet DNA. In contrast, the Y chromosome is passed more-or-less unchanged from father to son, right down the line, and every member of that line is named Sweet (or Swett or whatever). This means that any living male Sweet can stand as DNA proxy for his earliest known Sweet ancestor. By comparing the Y DNA signatures, we can tell which Sweet lines are related to each other and which are not. This is something that conventional genealogical research can (and should) do, up to a point, but DNA testing can take us past the "brick walls" on any and all lines at the same time. The more testees who participate, the more information can be obtained. John Chandler

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/HBRBAIB/1195.1.1.1.1.1 Message Board Post: Hello Bruce, Thank you for that explanation! I studied more chemistry in collage. But did have some of the biochemistry known at that time. DNA was tought but only in it's relationship to protine. Celina