This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/HBRBAIB/1353.1 Message Board Post: I am looking for a Charles W. Sweet in Ohio. He was listed as next of kin to my Grandfather, The charles sweet I have lived in 1942 at R.D. or R.F.D. # 3 in Geneva,OH. If this somewhat matches let me know. I need to know how he was connected to my grandfather since he was a conlon not a sweet.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/HBRBAIB/142.169.185 Message Board Post: I live near Harlan IA and if you need anything done at Pott County Court house, let me know, I live right down the road.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Sweet-Williams Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/HBRBAIB/1360 Message Board Post: Looking for descendants of Benjamin Sweet born approx 1820 in Sparta, New York; married Permelia Williams December 30, 1947 in Ohio and died in 1863. Son Charles had children: Julia, Elnora, Sadie, Benjamin, Edith, Wilbur, Frances and Charles and in 1910 lived in Medina Ohio. Hoping to obtain info on his family in New York and wife's family in Ohio. I

In response to my inquiry regarding Michael and Thomas J. Sweet, Cindy Sweet offered a few suggestions. I thought then that I could add a bit more knowledge to see if their identity can be better established. I've interspersed my comments with Cindy's suggestions below. Paul Sweet Hudsonville, MI ~~~~~~~~~~~ On Fri, 10 Dec 2004 20:52:17 -0600 "Cyndi Sweet" <crsweet@cfu.net> writes: Hi Paul, The Michael & Cynthia Sweet family is a family I've been trying to tie into other St. Lawrence Co. Sweets for several years. I can't answer your question about their parentage or verify a relationship between Michael and Thomas, but will throw out a few thoughts in case it will help. There is another Sweet family who attends the church I attended in my youth. However, we have never talked much about how we could be related. I saw the gentleman a few weeks back and asked if he could provide me with any information about his family. He began by saying he was not even sure if he was a Sweet because his great-grandfather had been adopted. I pressed for more information to see if I could answer his riddle and learned that his great-grandfather was Lyman R. Sweet of Newaygo, Michigan. With that I began my search and have provided him with quite a bit of information from census and county records. However, it seems to stop with Michael. Cynthia filed a pension claim in June 1867 after her son Zenas Sweet's death. Have you ordered a copy of that pension file? I did learn of the pension file and have recommended to my friend that he get the file asap. However, I am not sure how interested he is in tracing his roots -- is it a passing interest or if he is willing to invest some time and $$ into the search. If you're trying to track down descendants of the Michael/Cynthia family, I believe I've traced the two youngest children's lines down to 1900-1920 (Mandana and Lyman) through census records. I can send you that information if it will be helpful. While I've been able to delve through the census records for most of Michael and Cynthia's children, I am most interested in finding the next step in the pedigree beyond Michael. Again, I've recommended to my friend that he participate in the DNA study, but I do not know if he is interested. I believe that his great-grandfather Lyman was indeed a Sweet, but when he was orphaned after Cynthia's death in 1867 he and several of his siblings ended up being farmed out to friends and relatives. With the exception of Alexander, one of Michael and Cynthia's older sons, I could not find the children anywhere in the 1870 census. He was still in Ottawa, MI at that time, working as a laborer on another family's farm. Did you notice that in 1880 there are two Sweets living side by side in Farmer Twp., Defiance Co., OH (p. 219 D). Gilbert Sweet, 32, indicates his father was b. NY, mb NY; Henry Sweet, 45, indicates his father was b. VT, mb NY. That is one of the interesting things I learned in my brief study. Gilbert Sweet was the son of Michael and Cynthia Sweet, while Henry Sweet was the son of Thomas J. Sweet. Defiance, OH records indicate that both Gilbert and Lyman, the sons of Michael and Cynthia, married there. In fact, they married sisters -- Gilbert married Ada Carlisle in 1871, Lyman married Polly Carlisle in 1877 -- who were both the daughters of Ira D. Carlisle. If you take a look at the 1870 census, you will see that Ira Carlisle and his family (including Ada and Polly) were living next door to Thomas J. Sweet. In the 1880 census, Lyman was in Polkton, Ottawa, MI. By the time of the 1884 MI State Census, Gilbert, Alexander, Lyman, and Mandana were all listed in Polkton twp. By 1900, the family began to spread out as Lyman and Gilbert had both moved -- Lyman to Newaygo Cty, not too far to the north, and then Gilbert to Cheboygan, MI, where it appears they both remained. Michael's children never seem to agree as to the birthplace of their father. For example, in the 1880 census back in Ottawa Cty, both Alexander Sweet and Mandana (Sweet) Archibald indicate that their father was born in Vermont. As for Michael himself, it says VT in the 1850 census and NY in the 1860 census. From "Commemorative Biographical Record of Northwestern Ohio", p. 192-196, paraphrasing, Fanny Sweet, daughter of Thomas J. Sweet and Ormanda Bowker Sweet. Fanny was born 24 June 1835 St. Lawrence Co., NY. She m1 Emanual ford who died in Farmer Twp., Defiance Co., OH in 1872 - you'll find them in the census there easily. They had four children. Fanny m2 William Price and they are found in the same location in 1880 - along with Elvira B.Crocker, 44, step sister-in-law, b. NY, and Fanny's children Carrie and Ida Wolford. I did not have this information. However, I was able to glean some information from the Defiance, OH marriage records, including Fanny Sweet's marriage to E. Woolford 26 Nov 1857. I never looked for a second marriage. Another marriage record from Defiance I thought was interesting was that of Elizabeth Sweet to Matthew Preston 4 Nov 1869. Michael and Cynthia had a daughter Elizabeth, born 1844 in NY. This could be her, but I am not sure. I will have to go back to the census records and see if I can find the Prestons. There is another Sweet family in Potsdam that may or may not tie in. That is the family of N. Sweet and his wife Damarias. "N" died after 1847 and by 1850; his wife Damaris was b. ca. 1803 Connecticut and d. after 14 November 1857 when she made her will. They had three children that I know of, Julia Maria who m. before 14 November 1857 Asahel E. Fuller; Emily D.; and Jane Elizabeth Sweet. Upon her mother's death, Charles C. Eastman was appointed Jane Elizabeth's guardian. I've not yet been able to positively link Michael Sweet and/or Thomas Sweet to any of the other Sweets living in St. Lawrence, NY. However, from looking through the archives of the SWEET-L mailing list, it appears that others have raised the question before. One thought is that in Michael Sweet's household in the 1840 census, there was a female 60-70 yrs old. This could have been Michael's mother but that is only speculation. Well, I am not sure how much this helps or if it muddies the water. However, the more information that gets out can only help us tie up a lot of loose ends. The hunt is on!!

does anyone know anything about an Olive sweet, born 1820's NY married to Joseph Baum?

Hi Paul, The Michael & Cynthia Sweet family is a family I've been trying to tie into other St. Lawrence Co. Sweets for several years. I can't answer your question about their parentage or verify a relationship between Michael and Thomas, but will throw out a few thoughts in case it will help. Cynthia filed a pension claim in June 1867 after her son Zenas Sweet's death. Have you ordered a copy of that pension file? If you're trying to track down descendants of the Michael/Cynthia family, I believe I've traced the two youngest children's lines down to 1900-1920 (Mandana and Lyman) through census records. I can send you that information if it will be helpful. There is another Sweet family in Potsdam that may or may not tie in. That is the family of N. Sweet and his wife Damarias. "N" died after 1847 and by 1850; his wife Damaris was b. ca. 1803 Connecticut and d. after 14 November 1857 when she made her will. They had three children that I know of, Julia Maria who m. before 14 November 1857 Asahel E. Fuller; Emily D.; and Jane Elizabeth Sweet. Upon her mother's death, Charles C. Eastman was appointed Jane Elizabeth's guardian. This family is found at Potsdam as follows: Census Information 1840 Potsdam Village, St. Lawrence Co., NY, p. 214. N. Sweet 1850 Potsdam, St. Lawrence Co., NY, p. 5. Damarias Sweet There are several other Sweet families in St. Lawrence County as well. Did you notice that in 1880 there are two Sweets living side by side in Farmer Twp., Defiance Co., OH (p. 219 D). Gilbert Sweet, 32, indicates his father was b. NY, mb NY; Henry Sweet, 45, indicates his father was b. VT, mb NY. From "Commemorative Biographical Record of Northwestern Ohio", p. 192-196, paraphrasing, Fanny Sweet, daughter of Thomas J. Sweet and Ormanda Bowker Sweet. Fanny was born 24 June 1835 St. Lawrence Co., NY. She m1 Emanual Wolford who died in Farmer Twp., Defiance Co., OH in 1872 - you'll find them in the census there easily. They had four children. Fanny m2 William Price and they are found in the same location in 1880 - along with Elvira B. Crocker, 44, step sister-in-law, b. NY, and Fanny's children Carrie and Ida Wolford. The Bowkers seem to have been in St. Lawrence Co. for quite some time: There are seven Bowkers listed in the 1840 census index for St. Lawrence Co., New York. There are three Bowkers listed in the 1830 census index for St. Lawrence Co., New York. There are four Bowkers listed in the 1820 census index for St. Lawrence Co., New York. There is only Thomas Bowker in the 1810 index for St. Lawrence Co. (Potsdam). I hope this doesn't add to the confusion - my intention is to put out more puzzle pieces that may be of help. Cyndi Sweet -----Original Message----- From: pksweet@juno.com [mailto:pksweet@juno.com] Sent: Friday, December 10, 2004 8:27 AM To: SWEET-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Greetings! I am seeking information regarding Michael and Thomas J. Sweet, whom I believe to be brothers. The first census record I have found for them is from 1840 when they were living next door to each other in Lisbon, St. Lawrence, NY. Ten years later, Michael Sweet was living in Potsdam, St. Lawrence, NY, while Thomas J. Sweet had moved to Farmer, Defiance, OH. Michael later moved to Polkton, Ottawa, MI, where he died sometime after the 1860 census. His wife, Cynthia (Fisk) Sweet died in 1867, at which time she was listed as a widow. Meanwhile, Thomas J. Sweet remained in Defiance, OH, until his death in 1889. I would like to identify, if possible, the parents of Michael and Thomas J. Sweet. The census records do not agree as to the birthplace of Michael -- he was born c. 1815 in either NY or VT. However, all of the census records indicate that Thomas J. Sweet was born in Vermont. His tombstone indicates that he was born there about January 30, 1806. I could not find Thomas J. Sweet in the 1880 census, which could have given me some information as to the birthplaces of his parents. I have encouraged a descendent of Michael Sweet to participate in the DNA study, but I am not sure whether or not he will do so. However, I would like to know if we can connect these two men to any known Sweet families. Thanks!!! Paul Sweet Hudsonville, MI ==== SWEET Mailing List ==== Visit Daisy's Sweet Home Page! http://www.rootsweb.com/~daisy/sweet.htm

Rex wrote: > Looking for info about Gilbert Sweet, born in Canada c. 1830, and > his descendants. Gilbert's birth surname was apparently 'Ladouceur' > per family lore. Gilbert 'Ladocea'(sic) immigrated to US (Bershire > Co., MA) by 1850 Census. Thereafter, surname translated from French > to 'Sweet'... I wonder whether the willingness to translate the name means that it had already been translated once before (i.e., that the family was originally English and changed the name after settling in the French-speaking part of Canada). It would be interesting to see what a DNA test would show for one of the male descendants of this line. John Chandler

I am wondering if your Sweet was born in Gwillimbury, Ont. Canada.? Snake Island would be where they lived? Thanks Bonnie

Greetings! I am seeking information regarding Michael and Thomas J. Sweet, whom I believe to be brothers. The first census record I have found for them is from 1840 when they were living next door to each other in Lisbon, St. Lawrence, NY. Ten years later, Michael Sweet was living in Potsdam, St. Lawrence, NY, while Thomas J. Sweet had moved to Farmer, Defiance, OH. Michael later moved to Polkton, Ottawa, MI, where he died sometime after the 1860 census. His wife, Cynthia (Fisk) Sweet died in 1867, at which time she was listed as a widow. Meanwhile, Thomas J. Sweet remained in Defiance, OH, until his death in 1889. I would like to identify, if possible, the parents of Michael and Thomas J. Sweet. The census records do not agree as to the birthplace of Michael -- he was born c. 1815 in either NY or VT. However, all of the census records indicate that Thomas J. Sweet was born in Vermont. His tombstone indicates that he was born there about January 30, 1806. I could not find Thomas J. Sweet in the 1880 census, which could have given me some information as to the birthplaces of his parents. I have encouraged a descendent of Michael Sweet to participate in the DNA study, but I am not sure whether or not he will do so. However, I would like to know if we can connect these two men to any known Sweet families. Thanks!!! Paul Sweet Hudsonville, MI

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Sweet, Ladouceur Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/HBRBAIB/1359 Message Board Post: Looking for info about Gilbert Sweet, born in Canada c. 1830, and his descendants. Gilbert's birth surname was apparently 'Ladouceur' per family lore. Gilbert 'Ladocea'(sic) immigrated to US (Bershire Co., MA) by 1850 Census. Thereafter, surname translated from French to 'Sweet'. Married Catherine (surname unkn) by 1860. Children all born in MA: Daniel (c. 1852), Sophronia (c. 1854), Elizabeth (c. 1857), Gilbert,Jr. (c.1860), Caroline (c. 1861) and Lewis (c. 1864). Occupation was 'wood chopper' in 1860 census. Found working with son Gilbert in Gunnison City, CO, in 1880 census. No records thereafter. Son Gilbert, Jr. married Sarah (surname unkn), lived in Gloversville, NY, in early 1890s and moved to Chicago, IL, area by 1900. Died between 1900 and 1910.

The Sweet DNA project has, as one of its goals, the connection of the various Sweet lines to their ancestral homes. One way to do that, of course, is to find Sweets still living in the Old World and verify that they are genetically linked to a line in the New. However, there is another way: emigrants in the 19th century to places like Australia, New Zeeland, Canada, and the United States often left a record of their place of origin, and the descendants of those emigrants can therefore serve as tracers almost as well as people who never left at all. What's more, descendants of emigrants usually are much more interested in genealogy than the stay-at-homes. Thus the question: are you such a descendant, or do you know of one? We could use you in the project. (Specifically, we need male Sweets because the project tests the Y chromosome.) There is a time constraint here. We have a pool of subsidy funds to help pay for the testing, but half of the pool will expire at the end of December. If you are thinking about joining, please try to make up your mind very soon. To read more about the project, see the web site: http://www.fairleafarm.harvard.ma.us/dnasweet.htm John Chandler

Joe wrote: > Seeking verification by secondary source, e.g Bible entry, burial > record, gravestone, etc. re 1758 year of birth in Rhode Island on > April 11 that year of twins Gideon and James, sons of Job Sweet and > Sarah Kingsley Sweet Note: Year of birth is missing from primary > record, the extant N. and S. Kingston, RI birth records, which were > partially destroyed by fire in the late 1800s. The story on James is a bit complicated. Arnold's transcription of the half-burned vital records does indeed show the same birthday for him and Gideon, without showing the year for either, but there are other sources. First, there is a veteran's pension file for James (S21517), which states his birth as 1760 Apr 11 in North Kingsto[w]n, RI. It also says James resided in Shaftsbury, VT, and died (there??) in 1847. His son-in-law Joseph Ellsworth was living in Shaftsbury in 1852. If that's when the application was filed, the birth information is necessarily secondary. In any case, the names of James' children (such as Joseph Ellsworth's wife) are not given. Note: this pension file is one of many that Cyndi Sweet abstracted and posted to the list in 1999. The other source is a family Bible that came through a great grandson of James' younger brother Jonathan (-> William -> Mary Ann -> Grover). The Bible was probably a wedding gift to Mary Ann and, as such, contained a copy of the information in what may have been the original family Bible of that line of Sweets. A transcript of the Underwood Bible shows the birth of Gideon as 1758 Apr 11 and James as 1760 Oct 17. Note the completely different dates. I believe the vital records (or at least Arnold's transcription) were in error because of copying the date Apr 11 twice by mistake from information supplied all at once by the family. John Chandler

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Sweet Classification: Birth Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/HBRBAIB/1358 Message Board Post: Seeking verification by secondary source, e.g Bible entry, burial record, gravestone, etc. re 1758 year of birth in Rhode Island on April 11 that year of twins Gideon and James, sons of Job Sweet and Sarah Kingsley Sweet Note: Year of birth is missing from primary record, the extant N. and S. Kingston, RI birth records, which were partially destroyed by fire in the late 1800s.

cool. Our Olive Sweet was born sometime in the 1820's. we think her parents were Robert and Olive Sweet-this olive's maiden name not known, but there is no evidence besides that Robert and Olive Sweet were living near Joseph and Olive (Sweet) Baum on the 1850 census in New York, and they are the right age to be her parents. Lauren.

My Great Great Grandfather is William Sweet b. 1839 My Great Grandfather is Alexander Sweet b. Oct. 31, 1864 My Grandmother was the daughter of Alexander Sweet . B. May 12, 1888, d. 1975 William Sweet had 6 children and his son Alexander had 3 children. They were born in North Gwillimbury, York County, Ontario, Canada, It mentioned Snake Island. I haven't checked to see if that individual is related, but could very well be. Bonnie Kingston, Ontario, Canada. I am originally from Toronto, Ont. Canada

Bonnie, Do you have any Olive Sweet's in your genealogy? My Olive Sweet married Joseph Baum in New York state in 1846, but they were in Canada inby 1857 when their son, William, was born. Thanks, Lauren

Try automatedgenealogy.com I found my Sweet's there. Bonnie My Sweet's are from North of Toronto, Ontario, Canada

Looking for family of David Sweet b 1800 in Wayne co. Tenn. Cannot find info on his parents or where they came from.I'd be gratefull for any help. Jim Sweet

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Sweet, Swett Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/HBRBAIB/1357 Message Board Post: I am looking for info on John C (Swett) Sweet (1822-1895). He married Matilda Rothermel. I know they had 10 children, Ida, Sarah, Anna, Martha, Emma, Mary, Alice, Cuba, Matilda, and finally a son John Jr. All of the children were born in Cincinnati and everyone except John Jr. moved to Indianapolis about 1874.

In a message dated 11/19/2004 10:35:51 AM Central Standard Time, susan-k@mindspring.com writes: Lovina Sweet is my ggreatgrandmother, married to John Ransom Gleason. He was born in N.Y. and migrated to Wisconsin. I have not seen a reply to your request. So I am suppling where I found my information on the family. If you go to the LDS search site LDS Family Search Service and do a search on Lovina Sweet or any of her siblings you will find an Ancestral file and IGI submissions on the family. I have not verified all the information but can attest to the basic submission on birth and death dates for those buried in Darien, WI. I contacted one of the submitters for these files but now notice the contact information is missing online. I have lost the email address but may be able to come up with a name if you are interested. The information on line has Lovina married to a different individual but she may have been married more than once or the information may be incorrect. I hope this is of some help to you. Bob Sommerfeldt