I have a rudimentary rendition of the Sweeney arms under the "Resources" section of my website at http://www.cafes.net/swinney along with a midi version of the clan march. There's a smaller, neater version of the arms at http://www.sweeneyclan.com which I strongly encourage everyone to visit. If you don't have their pamphlets on Irish Sweeney history, you can order them there online. There is also a crest version at http://www.ireland-information.com/heraldichall/irishsurnames.htm Does anyone know when or to whom the original grants of arms occurred? David Swinney Tullahoma, TN __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com