Thank you Bo for all the leads. Poor Johannus needed some career counseling. He moved 1845, and then again in 1847 and again in 1852. It is time to search in the next HFL. I did find the information on SweGGate about farm ownership and I did not know that Oct 24 was the moving date. I knew that it was in October but I did not realize that it was a specific date by law. So how did it work? Did the drang change positions by choice or was his "contract" not renewed when that date came around in Oct. I could see that they got room and board but how much money did they earn? I have visited a few farms and if I recall the board part of the agreement was pretty sparse. What a life. Thanks for your help. Carol in Kentucky (Guess I should appreciate my air conditioning.) -----Original Message----- From: Bo Johansson <[email protected]> To: sweden <[email protected]> Sent: Tue, Jul 1, 2014 1:59 pm Subject: Re: [SWEDEN] Searching in Södra Ving Carol Larson wrote 2014-07-01 18:37: > > Thanks so much and there he was...of course he moves again in 1845 > and there is the next puzzle. I can see that he moves to Smedså??? > I have checked my Sverige vägatlas and Cradled in Sweden and the parish > index and I am not putting the puzzle pieces together correctly. > I also checked that he didn't leave the parish. --- Try Ortnamsregistret, they have a farm named Smedsås in Toarp parish, which was in the same "pastorat". http://www.sprakochfolkminnen.se/sprak/namn/ortnamn/ortnamnsregistret/sok-i-registret.html > > I saw that Espered was a by. Does that mean it was a little villiage > or was it a large farm? Äspered is a parish, and in the parish is a village named Äspered, that village had 5 farms (which were probably sub-divided) in the 1826-1845 HFL. Äspered AI:3 (1826-1845) Image 3 (AID: v44921.b3, NAD: SE/GLA/13664). // Bo Johansson ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

And the next mystery in poor Johannus's life. I found him in the Toarp HFL AI:11 1859-1867 image 104 page 200. Johannus moves in 1862 back to Ving. I found him in the moving out record and it states Ving. I have read the in moving record for Ving for 1862 (and 1861 and 1863) but he seems to be missing. Did he just disappear? What happens if someone had the moving out paper for one church but does not go there? Now how can I find him? Would he be on a death data base? Where should I look next? I have checked the other members of the family like at the torp where they are but no Johannus Svensson. Thanks for any suggestions and ideas. Carol in Kentucky ++++++++ Thank you Bo for all the leads. Poor Johannus needed some career counseling. He moved 1845, and then again in 1847 and again in 1852. It is time to search in the next HFL. I did find the information on SweGGate about farm ownership and I did not know that Oct 24 was the moving date. I knew that it was in October but I did not realize that it was a specific date by law. So how did it work? Did the drang change positions by choice or was his "contract" not renewed when that date came around in Oct. I could see that they got room and board but how much money did they earn? I have visited a few farms and if I recall the board part of the agreement was pretty sparse. What a life. Thanks for your help. Carol in Kentucky (Guess I should appreciate my air conditioning.) message

Here is Johannes (not Johannus) in the incoming and 3 HFLs: Södra Ving B:2 (1852-1870) Bild 32 (AID: v44535.b32, NAD: SE/GLA/13540) Södra Ving AI:7 (1857-1870) Bild 122 / sid 115 (AID: v44529.b122.s115, NAD: SE/GLA/13540) Södra Ving AI:8 (1871-1880) Bild 150 / sid 141 (AID: v44530.b150.s141, NAD: SE/GLA/13540) Södra Ving AI:9 (1871-1880) Bild 51 / sid 507 (AID: v44531.b51.s507, NAD: SE/GLA/13540) Aloha, Pono Norman A. Sandin POB 1602 Kihei, HI 96753 http://www.sandinfamily.com [pau] -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Carol Larson Sent: Tuesday, July 01, 2014 10:22 AM To: [email protected] Subject: [SWEDEN] Fwd: Searching in Södra Ving And the next mystery in poor Johannus's life. I found him in the Toarp HFL AI:11 1859-1867 image 104 page 200. Johannus moves in 1862 back to Ving. I found him in the moving out record and it states Ving. I have read the in moving record for Ving for 1862 (and 1861 and 1863) but he seems to be missing. Did he just disappear? What happens if someone had the moving out paper for one church but does not go there? Now how can I find him? Would he be on a death data base? Where should I look next? I have checked the other members of the family like at the torp where they are but no Johannus Svensson. Thanks for any suggestions and ideas. Carol in Kentucky

Thank you thank you...what a great surprise to wake up to this message. So I should not be too critical of my research skills (but they definitely need work) I missed the moving in record because he was listed as born in 1829 but it was corrected on the next HFL. I was able to follow him through 1899 when the HFL's ended. I then read through the death records and I found his death (Johannus/Johannes) 6 May, 1913. Now I can look for the rest of his brothers and sisters. So far I have found only one sibling who went to America. (That was the ancestor in our family.) Thanks again for your wonderful help. Happy Fourth of July, Carol in Kentucky -----Original Message----- From: Pono (Norm) <[email protected]> To: sweden <[email protected]> Sent: Wed, Jul 2, 2014 12:24 am Subject: Re: [SWEDEN] Fwd: Searching in Södra Ving Here is Johannes (not Johannus) in the incoming and 3 HFLs: Södra Ving B:2 (1852-1870) Bild 32 (AID: v44535.b32, NAD: SE/GLA/13540) Södra Ving AI:7 (1857-1870) Bild 122 / sid 115 (AID: v44529.b122.s115, NAD: SE/GLA/13540) Södra Ving AI:8 (1871-1880) Bild 150 / sid 141 (AID: v44530.b150.s141, NAD: SE/GLA/13540) Södra Ving AI:9 (1871-1880) Bild 51 / sid 507 (AID: v44531.b51.s507, NAD: SE/GLA/13540) Aloha, Pono Norman A. Sandin POB 1602 Kihei, HI 96753 http://www.sandinfamily.com [pau] -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Carol Larson Sent: Tuesday, July 01, 2014 10:22 AM To: [email protected] Subject: [SWEDEN] Fwd: Searching in Södra Ving And the next mystery in poor Johannus's life. I found him in the Toarp HFL AI:11 1859-1867 image 104 page 200. Johannus moves in 1862 back to Ving. I found him in the moving out record and it states Ving. I have read the in moving record for Ving for 1862 (and 1861 and 1863) but he seems to be missing. Did he just disappear? What happens if someone had the moving out paper for one church but does not go there? Now how can I find him? Would he be on a death data base? Where should I look next? I have checked the other members of the family like at the torp where they are but no Johannus Svensson. Thanks for any suggestions and ideas. Carol in Kentucky ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message