Wow,, Bo, thank you for all that information. That helps enormously. You should write a book because the kind of information you and colleagues give us here just cannot be found anywhere else. My ability to read the old Swedish has improved a lot just by following your "translations" for everyone. It is astounding to find out this family lived at Ringvagen 10 ...when I lived in Stockholm in the 80s, I lived at Ringvagen 88 and my Skogstrom cousins around the corner!! Thank you sooo much, Nina -----Original Message----- From: Bo Johansson <[email protected]> To: sweden <[email protected]> Sent: Sat, May 31, 2014 2:57 am Subject: Re: [SWEDEN] military duty? [email protected] wrote 2014-05-31 02:27: > > This time, I am studying the Gustaf Skogström family at Göteborgs > Domkyrkoförsamling AIIa:44 (1913-1927) Bild 46 / sid 642 (AID: > v82267.b46.s642, NAD: SE/GLA/13180). It says he is a bookkeeper but > then adds 8/453. Can anyone help me with what does that mean? --- I SUSPECT it is the address, but I don't know. > > On the next line, his wife Adelina has a 4.22,23....what do the > numbers refer to? Are they codes for some sort of profession? --- I don't know, but I notice that most do not have numbers like that, there is usually only one set of numbers per family. > > Further to the right, under military duty for Gustaf, it says > "v stamamt" (?) which must have taken place when they moved to Wasa. --- "v stamamt" ("varit stamanställd" = had been employed as soldier), that is not just a conscript. > > I find them in Wasa at Göteborgs Vasa AIIa:13 (1913-1929) Bild 80 > / sid 2476 (AID: v82581.b80.s2476, NAD: SE/GLA/15475), second family > and here Gustaf is a bookkkeeper 15:259. What are the numbers? They > don't seem to refer to another book number 15. --- I SUSPECT it is the address, but I don't know. > > Here, his military duty is again "v stamaust" (?) to Engelbrekt, > Stockholm 3 May 1915. > > In Engelbrekt, I find them in the inflyttningsbok (Engelbrekt BI:10 > (1915-1915) Bild 2890 / sid 285 (AID: v227264.b2890.s285, NAD: > SE/SSA/6003)) but there is no information on Gustaf's military duty. --- There is no column for military satus, so no-one on the page has such information. > > > Also there are no Husförhörslängd or församlings books at all for > Engelbrekt. If I proceed to Stockholms stad, I find only the choice > of Stockholms Militärkompani (which covers only 1835-1875), > Generalmönsterrullor (in which I have never been able to find a > single person) or the rannsackningsfängelse (several reads through > the Ss there yielded nothing and I don't think he was in prison). > So what has happened to all the HFL church query books for Stockholm > in the early 1900s? --- For Stockholm city the HFL system more or less broke down, so 1878 to 1926 they had instead the roteman records. The roteman archives are available (but not yet complete) online at http://www2.ssa.stockholm.se/Rotemannen2012/Search.aspx Your people can be found 1915-1916: Skogström, Gustaf 1884-07-22 Skogström /Henriksson/, Adelina 1885-09-03 Skogström, Margit Kristina 1913-11-30 Name:Gustaf Skogström Title: Bokhållare Birth: 1884-07-22 (Grava), Värmlands län Status: Gift, Sammanboende med barn [married, cohabiting with child(ren)] Street address: Grefturegatan 39 Property: Hedenbacken mindre, 9 Littera: 6.2 Parish: Hedvig Eleonora "Rote" and district: 10 (Östermalm) Moved in 1915-12-22 from rote 28 Moved out 1916-10-23 to rote 24 Military information: 433-50-07, f st [conscript number 433 50/07, former employed] Tax registration: new from Göteborgs Vasa -------------- The military information means he was conscript number 433 of area 50 year 1907. And this should mean he was discharged as employed soldier in 1907 and then became a conscript. If he had not already been a soldier one would expect him to become a conscript at age 21 in 1905. Then in 1923-1925: Skogström, Gustaf 1884-07-22 Skogström /F.Henrikson/, Adelina 1885-09-03 Skogström, Margit Kristina 1913-11-30 Skogström, Åke Gösta 1917-03-02 Skogström, Inga Maria 1921-01-11 Name: Gustaf Skogström Title: Bokhållare Birth: 1884-07-22 (Grava), Värmlands län Status: Gift, Sammanboende med barn Street address: Ringvägen 10 Street address: Hornsgatan 104 Property: Tapeten, 2 Littera: B 2 Parish: Maria "Rote" and district: 31 (Södermalm) Moved in 1923-11-01 from rote 24 > > I would like to follow this family after the birth of their third > child in 1921, whom I can find in birth books (but find no HFLs), > but really I would like to know what military duty Gustaf Skogström > did and when and where. How can one find this out? --- Trace him backwards from Göteborgs Domkyrko in 1913, or forwards from birth, and you will see when he was employed as soldier. In Swedish census 1900 he is with his parents in Karlstad: Skogström, Erik Johan 1841 Father Jonsson, Kristina 1844 Mother - Hilma Kristina 1866 Child - Anna Matilda 1876 Child - Elin Maria 1879 Child - Gustaf 1884 Child Gustaf b. 1884 in Grava (Värmlands län, Värmland) b. [child of both?] Boy, child Staden 127 Karlstads stadsförs (Värmlands län, Värmland) -------------------------------------- > > Is there a way to translate a few numbers under "värnplikt" to the > Generalmönsterrullor? --- No, the conscripts were not registered in the general muster rolls. Read about military matters at Hans Högman's site http://hhogman.se/swegen.htm Area 50 was "Karlstad Östra", so one can suspect he lived in Värmland in 1907 when he became a conscript, and had been employed at Värmlands Regemente. But ArkivDigital has records only up to 1884 for the regiment. > > Thank you again. I have only access to ArkivDigital, but I thought > that it was supposed to yield military information. --- Not about conscription, and not 20th century military records. // Bo Johansson ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message