Mr. Johansson, Thanks for your response. The ship's manifest of the Saale which arrived in New York on Oct 25, 1886 from Bremmen had an Ida Erikson and her children Ida, Anna and Ellen (or Hellen) passengers 240-243, all from Sweden. Various children were noted on either the 1892 New York State Census and the 1900 Federal Census. (My grandmother, Grace, was listed on both as the daughter of Charles and Ida, even though her birth certificate noted her mother as Eva Erickson.) The ages noted on the census correspond to the passenger listings. I think that a Karl (Charles) may have arrived in June 23, 1884 aboard the Chip Britannic from Liverpool and Queenstown, passenger 450. I don't have any naturalization papes to verify since Charles was not listed as naturalized on the 1900 census and I don't have his naturalization application if in fact it exists. Thanks. Ken Dreitlein -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Bo Johansson Sent: Wednesday, April 30, 2014 1:03 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [SWEDEN] Karl and Ida Erickson Kenneth Dreitlein wrote 2014-04-29 22:01: > > I am a decendent of Grace Erickson (b. 1887, New York City) who was > the daughter of a Eva Erickson born ~ 1862 in Sweden. Grace was > raised by Charles ( born 9/13/1854 Sweden and died 2/23/1906 in > Brooklyn, NY) and Ida Erickson (born April 1855 Sweden and died March > 21, 1911 Brooklyn, N.Y.) I believe that either Charles or Ida was a > sibling in Eva. Ida immigrated to New York in 1886 and Charles in > 1885 and Eva sometime prior to the birht of Grace in Oct. 1887. The > ship passenger list for Ida listed her as a resident of Stockholm. On > the death certificates, Charles' parents were listed as Oscar and Ida > Erickson and Ida's parents were listed as Charles and Anna. Charles > and Ida has other children including Ida (1877), Senia (Nov. 1879), > Anna (1882), Helen (Sept. 1884), Frank (Nov. 1890), Albert > (1896) and Henry (1896). They lived in Brooklyn from at least 1892 to 1905. I don't see Karl and Ida in Swedish Census 1880, so perhaps some of the information you have is in error. There is for example no Senia/Zenia at all. And no Ida born 1877 with mother Ida born 1855 and father *arl born 1854. What is the ship passenger list you have seen? // Bo Johansson ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

i Kenneth, Voting lists of places where he lived might establish citizenship. He would not have been nturalized before residency of 5 years unless he served in the Armed Forces. All the best Barbara in MA ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kenneth Dreitlein" <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Wednesday, April 30, 2014 8:18:25 AM Subject: Re: [SWEDEN] Karl and Ida Erickson Mr. Johansson, Thanks for your response. The ship's manifest of the Saale which arrived in New York on Oct 25, 1886 from Bremmen had an Ida Erikson and her children Ida, Anna and Ellen (or Hellen) passengers 240-243, all from Sweden. Various children were noted on either the 1892 New York State Census and the 1900 Federal Census. (My grandmother, Grace, was listed on both as the daughter of Charles and Ida, even though her birth certificate noted her mother as Eva Erickson.) The ages noted on the census correspond to the passenger listings. I think that a Karl (Charles) may have arrived in June 23, 1884 aboard the Chip Britannic from Liverpool and Queenstown, passenger 450. I don't have any naturalization papes to verify since Charles was not listed as naturalized on the 1900 census and I don't have his naturalization application if in fact it exists. Thanks. Ken Dreitlein -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Bo Johansson Sent: Wednesday, April 30, 2014 1:03 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [SWEDEN] Karl and Ida Erickson Kenneth Dreitlein wrote 2014-04-29 22:01: > > I am a decendent of Grace Erickson (b. 1887, New York City) who was > the daughter of a Eva Erickson born ~ 1862 in Sweden. Grace was > raised by Charles ( born 9/13/1854 Sweden and died 2/23/1906 in > Brooklyn, NY) and Ida Erickson (born April 1855 Sweden and died March > 21, 1911 Brooklyn, N.Y.) I believe that either Charles or Ida was a > sibling in Eva. Ida immigrated to New York in 1886 and Charles in > 1885 and Eva sometime prior to the birht of Grace in Oct. 1887. The > ship passenger list for Ida listed her as a resident of Stockholm. On > the death certificates, Charles' parents were listed as Oscar and Ida > Erickson and Ida's parents were listed as Charles and Anna. Charles > and Ida has other children including Ida (1877), Senia (Nov. 1879), > Anna (1882), Helen (Sept. 1884), Frank (Nov. 1890), Albert > (1896) and Henry (1896). They lived in Brooklyn from at least 1892 to 1905. I don't see Karl and Ida in Swedish Census 1880, so perhaps some of the information you have is in error. There is for example no Senia/Zenia at all. And no Ida born 1877 with mother Ida born 1855 and father *arl born 1854. What is the ship passenger list you have seen? // Bo Johansson ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

This looks like them. They came from Finland and left Stockholm 6 Oct 1886. Ida Amalia Eriksson, 37, going to New York, ticket prepaid. Dau. Ida, 7 Dau. Unreadable, 4 Dau. Ellen, 2 https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/19384775/1886-A0069179_00036.jpg Martin Kenneth Dreitlein skrev 2014-04-30 14:18: > Mr. Johansson, > > Thanks for your response. The ship's manifest of the Saale which arrived in > New York on Oct 25, 1886 from Bremmen had an Ida Erikson and her children > Ida, Anna and Ellen (or Hellen) passengers 240-243, all from Sweden. > Various children were noted on either the 1892 New York State Census and the > 1900 Federal Census. (My grandmother, Grace, was listed on both as the > daughter of Charles and Ida, even though her birth certificate noted her > mother as Eva Erickson.) The ages noted on the census correspond to the > passenger listings. I think that a Karl (Charles) may have arrived in June > 23, 1884 aboard the Chip Britannic from Liverpool and Queenstown, passenger > 450. I don't have any naturalization papes to verify since Charles was not > listed as naturalized on the 1900 census and I don't have his naturalization > application if in fact it exists. > > Thanks. > Ken Dreitlein > --- Detta epostmeddelande innehåller inget virus eller annan skadlig kod för avast! antivirus är aktivt. http://www.avast.com

Martin wrote 2014-05-01 12:24: > > This looks like them. They came from Finland and left Stockholm 6 Oct 1886. > > Ida Amalia Eriksson, 37, going to New York, ticket prepaid. > Dau. Ida, 7 > Dau. Unreadable, 4 > Dau. Ellen, 2 > > https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/19384775/1886-A0069179_00036.jpg Perhaps the unreadable name is Aina? // Bo Johansson

I really appreciate everyone's including Martin's, input to my search. Since my mother said her mother's ancestors came from Sweden and the 1892 NY State Census listed Sweden as Karl's and Ida's home country, I may the rookie mistake of believing that was the case. Any advice as to how I can determine the specific location of their home city from those who have had experiencs with finding relatives in Finland would be greatly appreciated. Note that Karl, who was a seaman, was listed as an alien in both the 1900 Federal and 1905 NY State Census so I am not sure he ever applied for citizenship. This seems inconsistant with other immigrant's who applied for citizenship shortly after arriving as he immigrated in 1884. Ken Dreitlein -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Bo Johansson Sent: Thursday, May 01, 2014 7:19 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [SWEDEN] Karl and Ida Erickson Martin wrote 2014-05-01 12:24: > > This looks like them. They came from Finland and left Stockholm 6 Oct 1886. > > Ida Amalia Eriksson, 37, going to New York, ticket prepaid. > Dau. Ida, 7 > Dau. Unreadable, 4 > Dau. Ellen, 2 > > https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/19384775/1886-A0069179_00036.jpg Perhaps the unreadable name is Aina? // Bo Johansson ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

These are the Finnish links I know of. http://boards.ancestry.com/localities.scan-balt.finland.general/mb.ashx http://www.genealogia.fi/indexgb.html http://www.migrationinstitute.fi/index_e.php Finland was a part of Sweden until 1809. The Erikssons were a part of the Swedish population in Finland. Martin Kenneth Dreitlein skrev 2014-05-02 01:35: > I really appreciate everyone's including Martin's, input to my search. > Since my mother said her mother's ancestors came from Sweden and the 1892 NY > State Census listed Sweden as Karl's and Ida's home country, I may the > rookie mistake of believing that was the case. Any advice as to how I can > determine the specific location of their home city from those who have had > experiencs with finding relatives in Finland would be greatly appreciated. > Note that Karl, who was a seaman, was listed as an alien in both the 1900 > Federal and 1905 NY State Census so I am not sure he ever applied for > citizenship. This seems inconsistant with other immigrant's who applied for > citizenship shortly after arriving as he immigrated in 1884. > > Ken Dreitlein > > - --- Detta epostmeddelande innehåller inget virus eller annan skadlig kod för avast! antivirus är aktivt. http://www.avast.com