Den 2015-08-21 kl. 22:33, skrev Bo Johansson via: > > EMIBAS: > > Liljenstråle, Carl Bernhard > Skomakare [shoemaker] (unmarried man) > > b. 17 Dec 1869 in Stockholms stad > > Emigrated 5 May 1887 > from Göteborgs Karl Johan, Göteborgs och Bohus län (Västergötland) > to Amerika CORRECTION: emigrated 5 Jan 1887 He is found with moving-out number 10 of 1887 in Göteborgs Karl Johan BI:5 (1881-1888) Image 301 (AID: v34186.b301, NAD: SE/GLA/13186). And in the household record in Göteborgs Karl Johan AI:37 (1883-1889) Image 228 / page 1072 (AID: v35144.b228.s1072, NAD: SE/GLA/13186): - shoemaker C. Bernhard Liljenstråle, born 1869-12-17 Stockholm, arrived 1886-10-02, emigrated 1887-01-05 to N.America. But I don't see him in the moving-in list in October 1886... Göteborgs Karl Johan BI:5 (1881-1888) Image 293 (AID: v34186.b293, NAD: SE/GLA/13186). His parents and two sisters are recorded 27 Nov 1869 in the Stockholm tax rolls for 1870, at the block Styckjunkaren number 5 in Hedvig Eleonora parish, but registered in the Artillery parish. http://digitalastadsarkivet.stockholm.se/Bildarkiv/Egenproducerat/SE-SSA-0032/mantalsbok/M7012010519_150dpi.pdf - artillerist at number 57 of 1st battery, Magnus Liljenstråle, born 1842-07-01. - wife Zenobia, born 1841-07-30. - d. Selma Zenobia, born 1864-05-17. - d. Hilma Elisabeth, born 1867-08-22. Artillerist number 57 of 1st battery Magnus Andersson Liljenstråle, born 1842-07-01 Nedre Ullerud (Värmland county), married 1866-12-24 to Zenobia Ås (page 305), came 1865-04-21 from klara. She is found on page 305 with 3 children: - wife Zenobia Carlsson Ås liljestråle, born 1841-09-30 Ölme (Värmland county). - d. Selma Zenobia, born 1864-05-17 Stockholm. - d. Hilma Elisabeth, born 1867-08-22 Svea Artilleri parish. - d. Carl Bernhard, born 1869-12-17 Svea Artilleri parish. In Swedish Census 1880 the father is a shoemaker (and the older children's birth-places in error): Andersson Liljenstråle, Magnus Skomakare b. 1842 in Nedre Ullerud (Värmlands län, Värmland) Man, married, father Karlsson Ås, Zenobia b. 1841 in Ölme (Värmlands län, Värmland) h. Woman, married, mother Selma Zenobia b. 1864 in Ölme (Värmlands län, Värmland) D. Woman, single, child Hilma Elisabeth b. 1867 in Ölme (Värmlands län, Värmland) D. Woman, single, child Karl Bernhard b. 1869 in Ölme (Värmlands län, Värmland) S. Man, single, child Josefina Bernhardina b. 1872 in Kristinehamn (Värmlands län, Värmland) D. Woman, single, child Hildur Evelina b. 1875 in Kristinehamn (Värmlands län, Värmland) D. Woman, single, child Anna Maria b. 1877 in Kristinehamn (Värmlands län, Värmland) D. Girl, child 3:e Quarteret N:ris 129 130 1341/2 Kristinehamn (Värmlands län, Värmland) Hugo Heribert Valentin b. 1880 in Kristinehamn (Värmlands län, Värmland) S. Boy, child 3:e Quarteret N:ris 129 130 1341/2 Kristinehamn (Värmlands län, Värmland) ----------------------------- // Bo Johansson

Den 2015-08-21 kl. 22:15, skrev Jo Ann Croft via: > > I have found on ancestry.com a birth for a Carl Bernhard Liljestrale on 17 > Dec 1869 in Allmänna Barnbördshuset, Stockholm, but cannot decipher the > rest of the information. Also I have no way of determining if this is my > "Carl B Lilliestrale". Allmänna barnbördshusets kyrkoarkiv CI:6 (1867-1872) Image 112 (AID: v82983.b112, NAD: SE/SSA/6039): Birth date: 17 Dec 1869 Sex: M Name: Carl Bernhard Status: live birth, legitimate, male Parents: artillerist's wife Zenobia Liljestråle Address: "Artillerits Styckjunk p. 5"(??) Mother's status: married Mother's age: 28 // Bo Johansson

Den 2015-08-21 kl. 22:15, skrev Jo Ann Croft via: > > I would like to find information on my half-brother's maternal > great-grandparents. His grandfather died young (aged 45) and his > grandmother remarried and seldom spoke of her first husband. > > I have found on ancestry.com a birth for a Carl Bernhard Liljestrale on 17 > Dec 1869 in Allmänna Barnbördshuset, Stockholm, but cannot decipher the > rest of the information. Also I have no way of determining if this is my > "Carl B Lilliestrale". > > He emigrated in 1886 according to the US 1900 census and settled in > Brooklyn, New York where he became a citizen and worked as a letter carrier. EMIBAS: Liljenstråle, Carl Bernhard Skomakare [shoemaker] (unmarried man) b. 17 Dec 1869 in Stockholms stad Emigrated 5 May 1887 from Göteborgs Karl Johan, Göteborgs och Bohus län (Västergötland) to Amerika --------------------- EMIHAN: Surname: LILJENSTRÅLE Given name: C B Age: 20 Sex: M Born: 1866/1867 Parish: Coynty: OA [Göteborg city] Departure port: GÖTEBORG Departure date: 1887-02-11 Destination: NEW YORK Fellows: NEJ [Alone] Source code: 31:93:1914 // Bo Johansson

I just cannot figure out where Charles was born. It's time for me to ask the experts for help. Here's what I know about Charles... Thanks so much for any help. Yvonne Morehouse ______________________________ 1883 Minnesota, Marriages Index, 1849-1950 - Charles Stenholm. Gender: Male. Marriage Date: 3 Jul 1883. Marriage Place: Minneapolis, Hennepin, Minnesota. Spouse's Charles (Chas) Stenholm. County: Morrison. Reel: 1. Code: 3. Volume: 1. Page: 399. Document Type: Declaration. YEARS: 1890 -1904. Numbers: 1-480. Source Information Peterzen, Conrad, ed.. Minnesota, Naturalization Records Index, 1854-1957 [database on-line]. Provo, UT, USA: Ancestry.com Operations Inc, 1999. 1895 Minnesota, Territorial and State Censuses, 1849-1905 - Charles Stenholm. Age: 32. Census Date:1895. County: Morrison. Locality: Elmdale. Birth Location: Sweden. Gender: Male. Estimated Birth Year: abt 1863. Race: White. Line: 32. Roll: V290_77. [How Long A Resident of This State? 13 years. How Long A Resident of this edsmgration district: 4 years 6 months. Regular Occupation: Farmer. Listed family members: Johanna C. age 32, female, white born in Sweden. Anna M. age 4, female, white, born in Minnesota. Hilda M. 1 years white female born in Minnesota.] Source Information: Ancestry.com. Minnesota, Territorial and State Censuses, 1849-1905 [database on-line]. Provo, UT, USA: Ancestry.com Operations Inc, 2007. Original data: Minnesota Historical Society. Minnesota State Population Census Schedules, 1865-1905. St. Paul, MN, USA: Minnesota Historical Society, 1977. Microfilm. Reels 1-47 and 107-164. 1900 U.S. Census - C* Stenholm [Carl Stenholm]. Age: 37. Birth Date: Jul 1862. Birthplace: Sweden. Home in 1900: Elmdale, Morrison, Minnesota. Race: White. Gender: Male. Immigration Year: 1882. Relation to Head of House: Head. Marital Status: Married. Spouse's Name: Johannah Stenholm. Marriage Year: 1890. Years Married: 10. Father's Birthplace: Sweden. Mother's Birthplace: Sweden. Household Members: C* Stenholm 37, Johannah Stenholm 37, Anna A Stenholm 9, Hilda M Stenholm 6. Source Citation: Year: 1900; Census Place: Elmdale, Morrison, Minnesota; Roll: 776; Page: 25A; Enumeration District: 0098; FHL microfilm: 1240776. 1917 Naturalization. Minnesota Naturalization Records Index, 1854-1957 about Charles (Chas) Stenholm. County: Morrison. Reel: 1. Code: 3. Volume: 1. Page: 399. Document Type: Declaration. Years: 1890 -1904. Numbers: 1-480. Source Information: Peterzen, Conrad, ed.. Minnesota Naturalization Records Index, 1854-1957 [database on-line]. Provo, UT, USA: Ancestry.com Operations Inc, 1999.

Den 2015-08-21 kl. 17:04, skrev Barbara Young: > > It wasn't finalized until much later, as I understand it, There was a > great a amount of shuffling because they didn't accept all of it all at > once. I don't recall where I read it. Sweden had its own calendar. > February had 30 days at one point. --- The idea was to gradually change to the Gregorian calender 1700-1740 by omitting leap days, but because of the Great Nordic War only the leap day in 1700 was omitted, and the peculiar Swedish calendar was only in use 1700-1711. Then they returned to the Julian calender and February 1712 had a 30th day, but that was only in that year. And then finally changed to the Gregorian calender in 1753. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swedish_calendar // Bo Johansson

Den 2015-08-21 kl. 07:20, skrev dianna charles: > > HI Bo Thanks for that all very confusing really. It may tie in with the > family saying he was a Merchant seaman but the only "Sailor" I could > find went from Hamburg to Brazil by the name of Carl Frederick > Hallgren. Thanks anyway can't seem to get anywhere really. Regards Dianna It seems reasonably likely that the Carl Fredrik Hallgren born 1869-11-19 in Söderhamn is your Charles Frederick Hallgren. He was born about the correct time, used the surname Hallgren, and went missing at about the right time to get to Australia in time. It was not unusual for emigrants to hide their illegitimate status by inventing a father with at least the same surname. Notice that sailors often are missing in the emigration databases, because they often did not emigrate as passengers, but just left their ships in foreign ports. Alternatively, your Charles Frederick Hallgren might have taken the surname Hallgren after emigrating, it was not unusual for Swedes to change to a non-patronymic surname when they emigrated. // Bo Johansson

Thank you, Bo, for that translation of the birth record and the emigration information which connects the dots. Is there a reason no father's name is given? Jo-Ann On Fri, Aug 21, 2015 at 4:50 PM, Bo Johansson <bo.h.johan56@bredband.net> wrote: > Den 2015-08-21 kl. 22:15, skrev Jo Ann Croft via: > >> >> I have found on ancestry.com a birth for a Carl Bernhard Liljestrale on >> 17 >> Dec 1869 in Allmänna Barnbördshuset, Stockholm, but cannot decipher the >> rest of the information. Also I have no way of determining if this is my >> "Carl B Lilliestrale". >> > > Allmänna barnbördshusets kyrkoarkiv CI:6 (1867-1872) Image 112 (AID: > v82983.b112, NAD: SE/SSA/6039): > > Birth date: 17 Dec 1869 > Sex: M > Name: Carl Bernhard > Status: live birth, legitimate, male > Parents: artillerist's wife Zenobia Liljestråle > Address: "Artillerits Styckjunk p. 5"(??) > Mother's status: married > Mother's age: 28 > > // Bo Johansson >

Den 2015-08-20 kl. 21:55, skrev Barbara Young via: > > Have you sorted out the Swedish calendar to make sure the dates are > correct? They finally, adopted the Gregorian calendar in 1844, I > think. It got very complicated. I don't how it was affected about the > change of the New Year from March to January. Sweden introduced the Gregorian calender in 1753. // Bo Johansson

Barbara, It was the US 1890 census that was lost. The official in charge of the fire cleanup just trashed it. It didn't burn but got soaked. The US 1900 census is alive & digitized. Let me know if you need lookups. Jo-Ann On Fri, Aug 21, 2015 at 4:31 PM, Barbara Young <bayofcc@comcast.net> wrote: > Hi JoAnn, > The U.S. Census jumped out at me because that year was lost in a fire - is > it a typo or where did you find it? > > All the best > Barbara in MA > > On 8/21/2015 4:15 PM, Jo Ann Croft via wrote: > >> I would like to find information on my half-brother's maternal >> great-grandparents. His grandfather died young (aged 45) and his >> grandmother remarried and seldom spoke of her first husband. >> >> I have found on ancestry.com a birth for a Carl Bernhard Liljestrale on >> 17 >> Dec 1869 in Allmänna Barnbördshuset, Stockholm, but cannot decipher the >> rest of the information. Also I have no way of determining if this is my >> "Carl B Lilliestrale". >> >> He emigrated in 1886 according to the US 1900 census and settled in >> Brooklyn, New York where he became a citizen and worked as a letter >> carrier. >> >> Thank you in advance for any help. >> >> Jo-Ann Croft >> . > >

Sorry it was my error - it 1890 that burned sorry about that Barbara On 8/21/2015 4:15 PM, Jo Ann Croft via wrote: > I would like to find information on my half-brother's maternal > great-grandparents. His grandfather died young (aged 45) and his > grandmother remarried and seldom spoke of her first husband. > > I have found on ancestry.com a birth for a Carl Bernhard Liljestrale on 17 > Dec 1869 in Allmänna Barnbördshuset, Stockholm, but cannot decipher the > rest of the information. Also I have no way of determining if this is my > "Carl B Lilliestrale". > > He emigrated in 1886 according to the US 1900 census and settled in > Brooklyn, New York where he became a citizen and worked as a letter carrier. > > Thank you in advance for any help. > > Jo-Ann Croft > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SWEDEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' (without the quotes) in the subject and the body of the message. If you wish to switch from List to Digest mode, or vice versa, unsubscribe from the list then send an email to SWEDEN-request@rootsweb.com with 'subscribe' (without the quotes) in both the subject and message body. When you confirm the new subscription you will have the option of subscribing to either "Digest" or "List." In digest mode you will receive a number of individual messages in one mailing. In list mode each message to the list is delivered individually. > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SWEDEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi JoAnn, The U.S. Census jumped out at me because that year was lost in a fire - is it a typo or where did you find it? All the best Barbara in MA On 8/21/2015 4:15 PM, Jo Ann Croft via wrote: > I would like to find information on my half-brother's maternal > great-grandparents. His grandfather died young (aged 45) and his > grandmother remarried and seldom spoke of her first husband. > > I have found on ancestry.com a birth for a Carl Bernhard Liljestrale on 17 > Dec 1869 in Allmänna Barnbördshuset, Stockholm, but cannot decipher the > rest of the information. Also I have no way of determining if this is my > "Carl B Lilliestrale". > > He emigrated in 1886 according to the US 1900 census and settled in > Brooklyn, New York where he became a citizen and worked as a letter carrier. > > Thank you in advance for any help. > > Jo-Ann Croft > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SWEDEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' (without the quotes) in the subject and the body of the message. If you wish to switch from List to Digest mode, or vice versa, unsubscribe from the list then send an email to SWEDEN-request@rootsweb.com with 'subscribe' (without the quotes) in both the subject and message body. When you confirm the new subscription you will have the option of subscribing to either "Digest" or "List." In digest mode you will receive a number of individual messages in one mailing. In list mode each message to the list is delivered individually. > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SWEDEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I would like to find information on my half-brother's maternal great-grandparents. His grandfather died young (aged 45) and his grandmother remarried and seldom spoke of her first husband. I have found on ancestry.com a birth for a Carl Bernhard Liljestrale on 17 Dec 1869 in Allmänna Barnbördshuset, Stockholm, but cannot decipher the rest of the information. Also I have no way of determining if this is my "Carl B Lilliestrale". He emigrated in 1886 according to the US 1900 census and settled in Brooklyn, New York where he became a citizen and worked as a letter carrier. Thank you in advance for any help. Jo-Ann Croft

Den 2015-08-20 kl. 16:26, skrev Mary Swanson via: > > *Does anyone on this list have any idea where Konkkin in Jönköping is > located?* I think it probably is not spelled correctly? This is the > birthplace of John Fredrick Petersson, according to his obituary from > Rockford, Illinois. He was born on 1 January 1834. --- Perhaps a badly written and mis-read "Kristine", for Jönköping Kristine parish? > > The following is from the Rockford, Illinois newspaper concerning his > Swedish roots. > > *"The deceased was born in Konkkin, Jönköping, Småland, Sweden, on New > Year's Day, 1834. He became affiliated with the Masonic Order in Sweden > and the highest honors obtainable, the thirty-third degree were conferred > upon him by the late Swedish king."* --- According to the Växjö HFL Johan Fredrik Petersson was born 1834-01-31 in Jönköping (presumably the city), and had come 1856 from Jönköping. There is a Johan Fredrik born 1834-01-31 in Jönköping Kristine parish (in Jönköping county), parents "karduansmakare" Anders Petersson and Katrina Elisabet Billström. [F] Jönköpings Kristina C:8 (1833-1855) Image 17 / page 27 (AID: v34664.b17.s27, NAD: SE/VALA/00170). This would imply that Johan Fredrik used his father's surname Petersson instead of the patronymic Andersson. A "karduansmakare" was a tanner handling fine leather. BTW, there are no births recorded 1 January 1834 in Jönköping Kristine or Jönköping Sofia parishes. [F] Jönköpings Kristina C:8 (1833-1855) Image 16 / page 25 (AID: v34664.b16.s25, NAD: SE/VALA/00170). [F] Jönköpings Sofia CI:4 (1820-1853) Image 50 / page 93 (AID: v34699.b50.s93, NAD: SE/VALA/00171). // Bo Johansson

Have you sorted out the Swedish calendar to make sure the dates are correct? They finally, adopted the Gregorian calendar in 1844, I think. It got very complicated. I don't how it was affected about the change of the New Year from March to January. On 8/20/2015 10:26 AM, Mary Swanson via wrote: > *Does anyone on this list have any idea where Konkkin in Jönköping is > located?* I think it probably is not spelled correctly? This is the > birthplace of John Fredrick Petersson, according to his obituary from > Rockford, Illinois. He was born on 1 January 1834. > > The following is from the Rockford, Illinois newspaper concerning his > Swedish roots. > > *"The deceased was born in Konkkin, Jönköping, Småland, Sweden, on New > Year's Day, 1834. He became affiliated with the Masonic Order in Sweden > and the highest honors obtainable, the thirty-third degree were conferred > upon him by the late Swedish king."* > > > Once again I have to ask the generous people on this list. Thank you! Mary > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SWEDEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' (without the quotes) in the subject and the body of the message. If you wish to switch from List to Digest mode, or vice versa, unsubscribe from the list then send an email to SWEDEN-request@rootsweb.com with 'subscribe' (without the quotes) in both the subject and message body. When you confirm the new subscription you will have the option of subscribing to either "Digest" or "List." In digest mode you will receive a number of individual messages in one mailing. In list mode each message to the list is delivered individually. > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SWEDEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

*Does anyone on this list have any idea where Konkkin in Jönköping is located?* I think it probably is not spelled correctly? This is the birthplace of John Fredrick Petersson, according to his obituary from Rockford, Illinois. He was born on 1 January 1834. The following is from the Rockford, Illinois newspaper concerning his Swedish roots. *"The deceased was born in Konkkin, Jönköping, Småland, Sweden, on New Year's Day, 1834. He became affiliated with the Masonic Order in Sweden and the highest honors obtainable, the thirty-third degree were conferred upon him by the late Swedish king."* Once again I have to ask the generous people on this list. Thank you! Mary

Den 2015-08-20 kl. 05:51, skrev Mary Swanson via: > > I would like to find this family in Växjö, Kronoberg in the HFL record > of 1859. > Johan Fredrick Pettersson > his wife: Christina Charlotta Wahlin > 1st child: Ivar born: 14 June 1859, Växjö / > his birth record: AID: v30881.b199.s385 / entry 41 > > I have looked for this family in the HFL records but records do not > seem to be indexed or alphabetical. > Ivar's birth record states the family lives at *no. 88*, but does > not have the farm name. --- This is a city parish, and number 88 means city block number 88. There is an index first in the HFL volumes, and block number 88 "Stormen" is on page 471-478 in AI:24. > > So, how can I find the farm no. 88 in the HFL records? > > In 1861-1865 Växjö, HFL record they are at Stormen #92 / AID: > v21359.b217.s709 --- You find them at block number 88 "Stormen" in [G] Växjö AI:24 (1858-1861) Image 50 / page 471 (AID: v21347.b50.s471, NAD: SE/VALA/00457). // Bo Johansson

HI Peter and Bo Thanks for your reply, wow not getting too far with the Hallgren family, I do thank you both for your constant help though. Just wanted to ask if there is anyone on the list that can translate a Swedish document with Karl Frederick Hallgrens name on it, listed as Sailor (I think). I could scan and send it!!!!! Thanks very much regards Dianna

I would like to find this family in Växjö, Kronoberg in the HFL record of 1859. Johan Fredrick Pettersson his wife: Christina Charlotta Wahlin 1st child: Ivar born: 14 June 1859, Växjö / his birth record: AID: v30881.b199.s385 / entry 41 I have looked for this family in the HFL records but records do not seem to be indexed or alphabetical. Ivar's birth record states the family lives at *no. 88*, but does not have the farm name. So, how can I find the farm no. 88 in the HFL records? In 1861-1865 Växjö, HFL record they are at Stormen #92 / AID: v21359.b217.s709 Frustrating! Thank you for any help. Mary

Den 2015-08-19 kl. 08:46, skrev dianna charles via: > > Looking for any information on BROR OLOF HALLGREN born > 1849-09-30 Son of Bro August Hallgren and Signe Olofsdotter. Swedish Census 1890 and 1900: Hallgren, Bror Olof Snickare [carpenter] b. 1849 in Järvsö (Gävleborgs län, Hälsingland) Man, married, father Nystedt, Emelia Matilda b. 1843 in Kalmar (Kalmar län, Småland) h. [wife] Woman, married, mother Sundsvall Sundsvall (Västernorrlands län, Medelpad) -------------------------- Swedish Census 1880: Hallgren, Bror Olof Snickare [carpenter] b. 1849 in Järvsö (Gävleborgs län, Hälsingland) Man, married, father Nystedt, Emilie Matilda b. 1843 in Kalmar (Kalmar län, Småland) h. Woman, married, mother Tredje Qvarteret Söderhamn (Gävleborgs län, Hälsingland) --------------------------- So it seems they had no children. Swedish Death index 1901-2013: 18490930 Hallgren, Bror Olof (No address) Dead 2 Sep 1911. Registered in Sundsvall, Sundsvalls stad (Västernorrlands län, Medelpad). Born 30 Sep 1849 in Järvsö (Gävleborgs län, Hälsingland). Married man (13 Sep 1878). -------------- 18430315 Hallgren f. Nystedt, Emilie Matilda Ålderdomshemmet [the retirement home] Dead 26 July 1927. Registered in Sundsvall, Sundsvalls stad (Västernorrlands län, Medelpad). Born 15 mar 1843 in Kalmar stadsförs (Kalmar län, Småland). Widow (2 Sep 1911). -------------- // Bo Johansson

HI Looking for any information on BROR OLOF HALLGREN born 1849-09-30 Son of Bro August Hallgren and Signe Olofsdotter. Bro August was a master Carpenter and bakery porprietor. Bror Olof was the witness at the baptism of his nephew Carl Frederick Hallgren. I thought this maybe another way to find some information on Carl F. HALLGREN b 1869 Soderhamn. Did Bror marry in Sweden, emigrate etc. Kind regards Dianna