Thank you, Martin. So it would seem that she moved to Torgilsrud before the marriage. Annette On 12/28/12, Martin <martin48@telia.com> wrote: > > Annette Bowen skrev 2012-12- lördag 02:37: >> Below are the two marriages of Anne Persdotter, born 1749. She first >> married an older man, Jon Andersson of Lasserud, with children almost >> as old as she was. What is the word in front of his name in this >> marriage record? 1777 June 22 near bottom of right page >> Köla EI:1 (1750-1861) Image 31/ page 53 > > Nämndemannen = Member of the district court >> >> I have found her with Jon in Lasserud in HFL with the indication that >> he was dead and she had married and moved to Torgilsrud (I think). >> >> Her second marriage to Olof Tholsson is image 39/ page 69, third from >> bottom on right page. What is the word after Anne Persdotter's name? >> I thought it might be where she lived but it doesn't look like >> Lasserud. > > It could be "dersammastädes" = at the same place. Some marriages have > that word, while other marrages have the latin "ibidem" instead. >> >> Thank you. >> >> Annette >> (from the Texas Gulf Coast but now enjoying snowy Arkansas!) >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> SWEDEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes >> in the subject and the body of the message >> > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > SWEDEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message >

Excellent, Bo, Thanks !

Ricrac186@aol.com wrote 2012-12-28 22:52: > > I found the marriage for Sven Friberg and Stina Nilsdotter > > Kyrkefalla C3 (1752-1781) Image 124 Page 117 20 Oct 1776 > > What would be his parents names? Is Friberg a military name? There is a > Nils Friberg that married a few days before Sven and Stina. What do the > notes mean? Oct 20: "ryttare"(?) (cavalry soldier?) Sven Friberg and maid Stina Nilsdotter. His parents: Anders Pehrsson(?) and Kierstin Jonsdotter Her parents: Nils Anderson, Elin Pehrsdotter. He (or his parents?) from Baggebo She (or her parents?) from Vasen Morning gift: 30 "lod" silver. The Nils Friberg above doesn't seem to be a soldier, he is son of Håkan Friberg and Margareta Lossberg(?), and from Hönebo. // Bo Johansson

Brenda wrote 2012-12-28 08:39: > > I see Maja Stina Magnusdotter's estate inventory on AD OnLine at > Västra häradsrätt FI:29 (1827-1828) Image 48 / page 91 > (AID: v78015.b48.s91, NAD: SE/VALA/01635) in Stockaryd, Jonkopings. > > What does the first main paragraph say? Also, it appears she was > not poor or old when she died? My records show she was born about 1800? Year 1827 the 10th January appeared the undersigned after request in Stockaryd Mellangård to conduct estate inventory after the deceased wife Maja Stina Magnusdotter who with death departed the 16th last October, and was survived by widower Anders Svensson and three under-age children... The farm was of size 1/6 mantal, recalculated to 1/8, so it wasn't large. Under "Boskaps Kreatur" they had 2 oxen, 3 cows and 1 heifer, some sheep, and 3 bee-hives. // Bo Johansson

Naomi Swanson wrote 2012-12-28 23:16: > > The family you are looking for is listed on page 135 > > Kyrkefalla AI:2 (1780-1793) Image 68 / page 135 (AID: v46371.b68.s135, NAD: SE/GLA/13300) > > They are shown about the middle of the page under Torp > Kyttare Boftrillet. The father's name is Sven Friberg. "Ryttare Bostället" = cavalry soldier's residence. // Bo Johansson

Ricrac186@aol.com wrote 2012-12-28 17:46: > > I found this family..Jonas Andersson..have the births of the children and > the death of Vilhelm... > > Then in AD Kyrkefalla AI:4 (1818-1833) Image 85 / page 157 (AID: > v46373.b85.s157, NAD: SE/GLA/13300)... > > Can you tell by this..where the family goes? There was sure a messy > Priest writing these records. > I did look at the other earlier household record you sent - but that was a > different family..children etc. --- It doesn't look like ha family moves out. Carl Gustaf moves out and comes back. Anders Petter moves out and comes back twice, then moves out 1829(?) to Grefbäck (Grevbäck parish?). The family was in the previous book at lower left in AD Kyrkefalla AI:3 (1801-1819) Image 92 / page 171 (AID: v46372.b92.s171, NAD: SE/GLA/13300). And in the next volume in AD Kyrkefalla AI:5 (1833-1841) Image 90 / page 165 (AID: v46374.b90.s165, NAD: SE/GLA/13300). Anders Petter Jonsson has moving-out number 101 in the 1829 moving-out list, destination Grefbäck, in AD Kyrkefalla B:2 (1808-1836) Image 136 / page 75 (AID: v46387.b136.s75, NAD: SE/GLA/13300). // Bo Johansson

So she died 16 Oct. 1826 at Stockaryd, Jonkopings. I see her death entry at v36193.b114.s217 on A.D. OR at GID Number:186.22.34100 Volume:C:2 Roll/Fiche Number:IJ-1440 Page Number:375 on Ancestry.com. The entry goes onto the next page so it is 19 lines long but appears to be mostly legible. I would love a translation, maybe she died in childbirth? I also see a short entry #14, that states her name also. Is that her child? Brenda in Seattle

Thanks Bo...for all your help... Ricky Harris

Thanks for this translation, Bo.

Annette Bowen skrev 2012-12- lördag 00:48: > Continuing with this Olof Tholsson family, I have found a possibility > for the son Nils in Norra By, Eda AI:9 (1796-1802) Image 226 / page > 443 with the family of Anders Pärsson, but it doesn't give his year of > birth or a moving in date. What is the word in front of Nils? It could be "Gåssen" = Gossen = the boy. > > At what age would the description change from Gosse to Dr? Around fifteen, after their confirmation. > > Is Thol the same name as Tol, Tohl, and Toll? Yes, spellings varied a lot. Martin

Annette Bowen skrev 2012-12- fredag 22:20: > When children were orphaned, did the church find homes for them or did > other relatives take them in? In this case John and his youngest > brother Olof were both living on Gryttved, but they were listed on > different pages of the HFL. Would that seem to indicate that they > were living with different families? Jon was old enough to work on > the farm (12 or 13), but his brother was only 4 or 5. Siblings were often split up between different families. It would probably be too much for another family to take in several siblings. I think they tried relatives first, but the children could also be auctioned to the lowest bidder. Martin

Annette Bowen skrev 2012-12- lördag 02:37: > Below are the two marriages of Anne Persdotter, born 1749. She first > married an older man, Jon Andersson of Lasserud, with children almost > as old as she was. What is the word in front of his name in this > marriage record? 1777 June 22 near bottom of right page > Köla EI:1 (1750-1861) Image 31/ page 53 Nämndemannen = Member of the district court > > I have found her with Jon in Lasserud in HFL with the indication that > he was dead and she had married and moved to Torgilsrud (I think). > > Her second marriage to Olof Tholsson is image 39/ page 69, third from > bottom on right page. What is the word after Anne Persdotter's name? > I thought it might be where she lived but it doesn't look like > Lasserud. It could be "dersammastädes" = at the same place. Some marriages have that word, while other marrages have the latin "ibidem" instead. > > Thank you. > > Annette > (from the Texas Gulf Coast but now enjoying snowy Arkansas!) > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SWEDEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Thank you Bo for correcting my spelling of the Torp where the Sven Friberg family lived. Naomi in Illinois ----------------------------------- Bo Johansson wrote Sat, 29 Dec 2012 04:34:47 Naomi Swanson wrote 2012-12-28 23:16: > > The family you are looking for is listed on page 135 > > Kyrkefalla AI:2 (1780-1793) Image 68 / page 135 (AID: v46371.b68.s135, NAD: SE/GLA/13300) > > They are shown about the middle of the page under Torp > Kyttare Boftrillet. The father's name is Sven Friberg. "Ryttare Bostället" = cavalry soldier's residence. // Bo Johansson

Sven Friberg, ryttare (hussar or cavalry soldier), Stina Nilsdotter. Kyrkefalla AI:2 (1780-1793) Image 68 / page 135 (AID: v46371.b68.s135, NAD: SE/GLA/13300) Martin Ricrac186@aol.com skrev 2012-12- fredag 21:43: > Hi, > > Can someone please take a look at the birth record for Catherina? > > It is at Kyrkefalla C4 (1782-1836) Image 15 Page 23 > > I think the father is Sven Friberg? Mother Stina something..what is his > occupation? I see they live in Baggebo, but are not there when the records > for that area start. > > This is the first time in all my meanderings through the Swedish records > I've come across different names like these... > > Any help appreciated > > I live in Northern Illinois...if anyone needs anything in this area..I'd be > happy to help... > > Ricky Harris > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SWEDEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Thank you, Norman. I thought Doctor Noreen was the person who married them. Annette On 12/28/12, Pono (Norm) <kapono@maui.net> wrote: > Namdemannen - lay judge > > I can't make out all the letters, but it appears she may have been a > servant > of Doctor Noreen - tjänste???stades > > Maybe someone who knows the language can work it out. > > Aloha, > Pono > > Norman A. Sandin > POB 1602 > Kihei, HI 96753 > http://www.sandinfamily.com > > [pau] > > > -----Original Message----- > From: sweden-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:sweden-bounces@rootsweb.com] On > Behalf Of Annette Bowen > Sent: Friday, December 28, 2012 3:38 PM > To: sweden > Subject: [SWEDEN] Two marriages in Köla Parish, Värmland, Köla EI:1 > (1750-1861) > > Below are the two marriages of Anne Persdotter, born 1749. She first > married an older man, Jon Andersson of Lasserud, with children almost as > old > as she was. What is the word in front of his name in this marriage record? > 1777 June 22 near bottom of right page Köla EI:1 (1750-1861) Image 31/ page > 53 > > I have found her with Jon in Lasserud in HFL with the indication that he > was > dead and she had married and moved to Torgilsrud (I think). > > Her second marriage to Olof Tholsson is image 39/ page 69, third from > bottom > on right page. What is the word after Anne Persdotter's name? > I thought it might be where she lived but it doesn't look like Lasserud. > > Thank you. > > Annette > (from the Texas Gulf Coast but now enjoying snowy Arkansas!) > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > SWEDEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > SWEDEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message >

Below are the two marriages of Anne Persdotter, born 1749. She first married an older man, Jon Andersson of Lasserud, with children almost as old as she was. What is the word in front of his name in this marriage record? 1777 June 22 near bottom of right page Köla EI:1 (1750-1861) Image 31/ page 53 I have found her with Jon in Lasserud in HFL with the indication that he was dead and she had married and moved to Torgilsrud (I think). Her second marriage to Olof Tholsson is image 39/ page 69, third from bottom on right page. What is the word after Anne Persdotter's name? I thought it might be where she lived but it doesn't look like Lasserud. Thank you. Annette (from the Texas Gulf Coast but now enjoying snowy Arkansas!)

Thanks, Pono, for the link to your info. I have been keeping it in mind as I recall you are well rehearsed in the estate inventories. It is the first paragraph I am most interested in. If I don't get a translation I will use yours and see what I can do. Brenda ----- Original Message ----- From: "Pono (Norm)" <kapono@maui.net> To: <sweden@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, December 28, 2012 5:32 PM Subject: Re: [SWEDEN] Maja Stina Magnusdotter Estate Inventory on A.D. Brenda I'm not sure whether you got an answer to this. I have 11 bouppteckning translations online now and you may find it useful to compare yours to some of those. The one I'm working on now was almost a copy of a previous one so it was pretty easy. I've had help with all of the others. Just go to the following and pick one (or several). http://www.sandinfamily.com/genealogy-resources/bp-xlat-intro.htm Aloha, Pono Norman A. Sandin POB 1602 Kihei, HI 96753 http://www.sandinfamily.com [pau] -----Original Message----- From: sweden-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:sweden-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Brenda Sent: Thursday, December 27, 2012 9:39 PM To: sweden@rootsweb.com Subject: [SWEDEN] Maja Stina Magnusdotter Estate Inventory on A.D. I see Maja Stina Magnusdotter's estate inventory on AD OnLine at Västra häradsrätt FI:29 (1827-1828) Image 48 / page 91 (AID: v78015.b48.s91, NAD: SE/VALA/01635) in Stockaryd, Jonkopings. What does the first main paragraph say? Also, it appears she was not poor or old when she died? My records show she was born about 1800? Brenda in Seattle ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SWEDEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Continuing with this Olof Tholsson family, I have found a possibility for the son Nils in Norra By, Eda AI:9 (1796-1802) Image 226 / page 443 with the family of Anders Pärsson, but it doesn't give his year of birth or a moving in date. What is the word in front of Nils? And he wasn't with this family on the next HFL. There is a Västby in the index for Eda parish, but I didn't find Marit Olofsdotter there. At what age would the description change from Gosse to Dr? Is Thol the same name as Tol, Tohl, and Toll? Thank you. Annette On 12/28/12, Annette Bowen <annette.bowen@gmail.com> wrote: > Martin, > Thank you so much for this information. I have enough trouble > tracking them when they stay in the same parish. This family kept > moving. I assume they were poor and had no land. They went wherever > they could find work. I just discovered that Olof Tholsson married > again, but he died not long after his second marriage. > > When children were orphaned, did the church find homes for them or did > other relatives take them in? In this case John and his youngest > brother Olof were both living on Gryttved, but they were listed on > different pages of the HFL. Would that seem to indicate that they > were living with different families? Jon was old enough to work on > the farm (12 or 13), but his brother was only 4 or 5. > > Thank you. > Annette > > On 12/27/12, Martin <martin48@telia.com> wrote: >> >> Annette Bowen skrev 2012-12- torsdag 05:50: >>> My ancestor Jon Olsson's mother died in 1800 and the children went to >>> different places. I can read Gryttved, but what are the other place >>> names? >>> Köla AI:16 (1796-1802) image 74/page 137 >> >> Norra By and Västra By. There is a Norra By in the neighboring Eda >> parish. It starts here. >> >> Eda AI:9 (1796-1802) Image 222 / page 435 (AID: v10740.b222.s435, NAD: >> SE/VA/13091) >> >> Don't know where Västra By is. >> >>> >>> Olof Tholsson and his daughter Karin are listed again in the middle of >>> the same page. Does it say he is step-father and widow? >> >> Step-father and widow (Enkling, now spelled Änkling) >> >>> Is Pår >>> Jonsson adm. the same person as Pehr Jonsson 4 lines above? >> >> Seems to be the same Pär (not Pår) Jonsson, as Olof Tholsson is his >> step-father, whereas Per was previously his step-son. >> >>> What does >>> Adm. mean? >> >> Adm. usually means that they were admitted to the communion. >> >>> And where did Olof's daughter Karin move? >> >> Långlanda, a village in Eda. >> Olof to Bålstad in Köla in 1801 and 1803 (first line). >> >>> >>> I found Jon on Gryttved. What is the abbreviation in front of his name? >>> Köla AI:16 (1796-1802) image 136/page 261 >> >> Gosse = Boy >> >>> >>> Thank you. >>> Annette >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> SWEDEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>> quotes >>> in the subject and the body of the message >>> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> SWEDEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes >> in the subject and the body of the message >> >

Yeah, that would make better sense - I see that name a lot now that I look around. Aloha, Pono Norman A. Sandin POB 1602 Kihei, HI 96753 http://www.sandinfamily.com [pau] -----Original Message----- From: sweden-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:sweden-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Annette Bowen Sent: Friday, December 28, 2012 5:13 PM To: sweden@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [SWEDEN] Two marriages in Köla Parish, Värmland, Köla EI:1 (1750-1861) Thank you, Norman. I thought Doctor Noreen was the person who married them. Annette On 12/28/12, Pono (Norm) <kapono@maui.net> wrote: > Namdemannen - lay judge > > I can't make out all the letters, but it appears she may have been a > servant of Doctor Noreen - tjänste???stades > > Maybe someone who knows the language can work it out. > > Aloha, > Pono > > Norman A. Sandin > POB 1602 > Kihei, HI 96753 > http://www.sandinfamily.com > > [pau] > > > -----Original Message----- > From: sweden-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:sweden-bounces@rootsweb.com] > On Behalf Of Annette Bowen > Sent: Friday, December 28, 2012 3:38 PM > To: sweden > Subject: [SWEDEN] Two marriages in Köla Parish, Värmland, Köla EI:1 > (1750-1861) > > Below are the two marriages of Anne Persdotter, born 1749. She first > married an older man, Jon Andersson of Lasserud, with children almost > as old as she was. What is the word in front of his name in this > marriage record? > 1777 June 22 near bottom of right page Köla EI:1 (1750-1861) Image 31/ > page > 53 > > I have found her with Jon in Lasserud in HFL with the indication that > he was dead and she had married and moved to Torgilsrud (I think). > > Her second marriage to Olof Tholsson is image 39/ page 69, third from > bottom on right page. What is the word after Anne Persdotter's name? > I thought it might be where she lived but it doesn't look like Lasserud. > > Thank you. > > Annette > (from the Texas Gulf Coast but now enjoying snowy Arkansas!) > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > SWEDEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > SWEDEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SWEDEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thanks again Martin... This brings up another question... I found the marriage for Sven Friberg and Stina Nilsdotter Kyrkefalla C3 (1752-1781) Image 124 Page 117 20 Oct 1776 What would be his parents names? Is Friberg a military name? There is a Nils Friberg that married a few days before Sven and Stina..What do the notes mean? It's interesting to see a couple of famous names in this book...Moberg and Fogelberg, author and singer/musician. Ricky