Annette Bowen wrote 2014-05-01 06:15: > > I am following the family of Johannes Andersson & his wife Gustafva > Gabrielsdotter. This moving out record looks to me like they were > going to America: No. 1 on 17/3 1854 > > Hångsdala B:4 (1852-1860) Image 12 / page 15 (AID: v27775.b12.s15, > NAD: SE/GLA/13238) --- Definitely looks like moving-out date 17 Mar 1854, destination America. And it looks like destination America also in the HFL, Östra Gerum AI:3 (1849-1860) Image 64 / page 59 (AID: v27919.b64.s59, NAD: SE/GLA/13688). > > By accident I found people with the same names in Slöta, and that led > me to this moving in record, No. 52 on Mar. 17, 1854. It looks to me > like the same family. > > Slöta BI:3 (1839-1869) Image 55 (AID: v28487.b55, NAD: SE/GLA/13491) --- Definitely looks like them moving in 17 Mar 1854 to Öland in Slöta. Slöta "pastorat", it seems Öland is actually in Karleby parish. They are found at Öland leasing the mill, but with only one son with wrong birth-date, in Karleby AI:8 (1849-1860) Image 101 / page 93 (AID: v28527.b101.s93, NAD: SE/GLA/13272). Then in Karleby AI:8 (1849-1860) Image 210 / page 105 (AID: v28527.b210.s105, NAD: SE/GLA/13272). Then they move 1857 to Leaby Skattegården, now with more children, in Karleby AI:8 (1849-1860) Image 194 / page 89 (AID: v28527.b194.s89, NAD: SE/GLA/13272). > > Am I missing something, or was the moving out record just incorrect > about where they were going? --- Perhaps the priest made an error? Or they changed their minds, but didn't get new moving certificates? It looks a bit suspicious that they had the same moving-out and moving-in dates, usually there is at least a couple of days difference. // Bo Johansson
Dusty Gorman wrote 2014-05-01 04:58: > > Can someone help me translate the Swedish word "laggar?" I am working on > scanning several Swedish pictures. Some of them have writing on the back. > On a few in front of the persons name is the word "laggar." I remember > coming across the word before in my research of this families house > records. I can't seem to find a translation for the word though. Can > anyone help? It COULD be a Dalarna-type farm name, for example Laggar Anders Ersson. // Bo Johansson
Thanks, Bo. That seems like a big difference in location, but it looks like the same family. I would think that they would have had tickets to America before they got moving certificates. Did the priest write it in his book at the same time he gave them a certificate? Maybe he recorded the place incorrectly. Perhaps another family was going to America and he confused them in the books. Johannes Andersson was a common name, but I haven't seen another with a wife named Gustafva Gabrielsdotter. Her sister moved to Karleby and that is how I found Gustafva's family there. I thought they might have come back from America until I found the moving in record. I know copying can cause erroneous "facts" to appear in official records. I have a burial record for my great-grandmother in the US that says she was buried 3 days before her death. I couldn't figure it out until I learned recently that the records in the book were copied later from other records. I have seen several families in this area with the same date on the moving in and out records. I wondered if it was the date on the certificate rather than the actual date of the move. Annette On 5/1/14, Bo Johansson <[email protected]> wrote: > Annette Bowen wrote 2014-05-01 06:15: > > >> I am following the family of Johannes Andersson & his wife Gustafva >> Gabrielsdotter. This moving out record looks to me like they were >> going to America: No. 1 on 17/3 1854 >> >> Hångsdala B:4 (1852-1860) Image 12 / page 15 (AID: v27775.b12.s15, >> NAD: SE/GLA/13238) > > --- Definitely looks like moving-out date 17 Mar 1854, destination America. > > And it looks like destination America also in the HFL, Östra Gerum AI:3 > (1849-1860) Image 64 / page 59 (AID: v27919.b64.s59, NAD: SE/GLA/13688). > >> >> By accident I found people with the same names in Slöta, and that led >> me to this moving in record, No. 52 on Mar. 17, 1854. It looks to me >> like the same family. >> >> Slöta BI:3 (1839-1869) Image 55 (AID: v28487.b55, NAD: SE/GLA/13491) > > --- Definitely looks like them moving in 17 Mar 1854 to Öland in Slöta. > > Slöta "pastorat", it seems Öland is actually in Karleby parish. > > They are found at Öland leasing the mill, but with only one son with > wrong birth-date, in Karleby AI:8 (1849-1860) Image 101 / page 93 (AID: > v28527.b101.s93, NAD: SE/GLA/13272). > > Then in Karleby AI:8 (1849-1860) Image 210 / page 105 (AID: > v28527.b210.s105, NAD: SE/GLA/13272). > > Then they move 1857 to Leaby Skattegården, now with more children, in > Karleby AI:8 (1849-1860) Image 194 / page 89 (AID: v28527.b194.s89, NAD: > SE/GLA/13272). > >> >> Am I missing something, or was the moving out record just incorrect >> about where they were going? > > --- Perhaps the priest made an error? Or they changed their minds, but > didn't get new moving certificates? > > It looks a bit suspicious that they had the same moving-out and > moving-in dates, usually there is at least a couple of days difference. > > // Bo Johansson > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message
[email protected] wrote 2014-04-30 18:53: > > I think I found a death notice for Smångs Per Andersson > online at the national library of Sweden > > it is at the very bottom of column 3 and 1 sentence at the top of column 4) http://magasin.kb.se:8080/searchinterface/page.jsp?id=kb:59834&recordNumber=353&totalRecordNumber=483 > > kungl. biblioteket > National Library of Sweden > Titel: Dalpilen > Datum: 1907-12-24 > -- Sida 4 -- Död i ensamhet. --- Dead alone. I söndags anträffades ensamboende muraren Smångs Per Andersson liggande död på golfvet i sin bostad i Åsen i Gustafs. --- On Sunday was found alone-living mason/bricklayer Smångs Per Andersson lying dead on the floor in his residence in Åsen in Gustafs. Dödsorsaken antages vara slag. --- The cause of death is supposed to be stroke. Den aflidne var bördig från Siljansnäs. --- The deceased was born in Siljansnäs. Han afflyttade därifrån till Torsäng och har nu senast varit bosatt i Gustafs. --- He moved from there to Torsäng and have now lately been living in Gustafs. Han var född 1830 samt i goda ekonomiska omständigheter. --- He was born 1830 and [was] in good economic circumstances. // Bo Johansson
I am following the family of Johannes Andersson & his wife Gustafva Gabrielsdotter. This moving out record looks to me like they were going to America: No. 1 on 17/3 1854 Hångsdala B:4 (1852-1860) Image 12 / page 15 (AID: v27775.b12.s15, NAD: SE/GLA/13238) By accident I found people with the same names in Slöta, and that led me to this moving in record, No. 52 on Mar. 17, 1854. It looks to me like the same family. Slöta BI:3 (1839-1869) Image 55 (AID: v28487.b55, NAD: SE/GLA/13491) Am I missing something, or was the moving out record just incorrect about where they were going? Annette
Hej, Can someone help me translate the Swedish word "laggar?" I am working on scanning several Swedish pictures. Some of them have writing on the back. On a few in front of the persons name is the word "laggar." I remember coming across the word before in my research of this families house records. I can't seem to find a translation for the word though. Can anyone help? Thanks in advance, Dusty
I think I found a death notice for Smångs Per Andersson online at the national library of Sweden I can get the idea of what is being said, but would appreciate a translation. kungl. biblioteket National Library of Sweden Titel: Dalpilen Datum: 1907-12-24 <-- Sida 4 --> Död i ennattthet. I söndags anträffades ensamboende muraren Smångs Per Andersson liggande död pa golfvet i sin bostad i Åsen i Gustafs. Dödsorsaken antages vara slag. Den aflidne var bördig från Siljansnäs. Han afflyttade därifrån till Torsäng och har nu senast varit bosatt i Gustafs. Han var född 1830 samt i goda ekonomiska omständigheter. (if you want to look at the image, it is at the very bottom of column 3 and 1 sentence at the top of column 4) http://magasin.kb.se:8080/searchinterface/page.jsp?id=kb:59834&recordNumber=353&totalRecordNumber=483 Joy -----Original Message----- RECORD FROM SWEDEN DEATH CD 1901-2009 18300322 Andersson, Smångs Per Uddsarvet Dead 12/15/1907. Registered in Gustafs (Kopparbergs län, Dalarna). Born 3/22/1830 in Leksand (Kopparbergs län, Dalarna). Widower (4/13/1895).
i Kenneth, Voting lists of places where he lived might establish citizenship. He would not have been nturalized before residency of 5 years unless he served in the Armed Forces. All the best Barbara in MA ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kenneth Dreitlein" <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Wednesday, April 30, 2014 8:18:25 AM Subject: Re: [SWEDEN] Karl and Ida Erickson Mr. Johansson, Thanks for your response. The ship's manifest of the Saale which arrived in New York on Oct 25, 1886 from Bremmen had an Ida Erikson and her children Ida, Anna and Ellen (or Hellen) passengers 240-243, all from Sweden. Various children were noted on either the 1892 New York State Census and the 1900 Federal Census. (My grandmother, Grace, was listed on both as the daughter of Charles and Ida, even though her birth certificate noted her mother as Eva Erickson.) The ages noted on the census correspond to the passenger listings. I think that a Karl (Charles) may have arrived in June 23, 1884 aboard the Chip Britannic from Liverpool and Queenstown, passenger 450. I don't have any naturalization papes to verify since Charles was not listed as naturalized on the 1900 census and I don't have his naturalization application if in fact it exists. Thanks. Ken Dreitlein -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Bo Johansson Sent: Wednesday, April 30, 2014 1:03 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [SWEDEN] Karl and Ida Erickson Kenneth Dreitlein wrote 2014-04-29 22:01: > > I am a decendent of Grace Erickson (b. 1887, New York City) who was > the daughter of a Eva Erickson born ~ 1862 in Sweden. Grace was > raised by Charles ( born 9/13/1854 Sweden and died 2/23/1906 in > Brooklyn, NY) and Ida Erickson (born April 1855 Sweden and died March > 21, 1911 Brooklyn, N.Y.) I believe that either Charles or Ida was a > sibling in Eva. Ida immigrated to New York in 1886 and Charles in > 1885 and Eva sometime prior to the birht of Grace in Oct. 1887. The > ship passenger list for Ida listed her as a resident of Stockholm. On > the death certificates, Charles' parents were listed as Oscar and Ida > Erickson and Ida's parents were listed as Charles and Anna. Charles > and Ida has other children including Ida (1877), Senia (Nov. 1879), > Anna (1882), Helen (Sept. 1884), Frank (Nov. 1890), Albert > (1896) and Henry (1896). They lived in Brooklyn from at least 1892 to 1905. I don't see Karl and Ida in Swedish Census 1880, so perhaps some of the information you have is in error. There is for example no Senia/Zenia at all. And no Ida born 1877 with mother Ida born 1855 and father *arl born 1854. What is the ship passenger list you have seen? // Bo Johansson ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message
Found family on 1880 census, nothing subsequent. Had wife Brita Larsdotter's year of birth as 1824 Andersson, Smångs Per Census 1880 *Name* Andersson, Smångs Per *Home parish* Siljansnäs *Place of residence* Westra Ahlmo *Deanery* Leksand *County* Kopparberg *Birth year* 1830 *Birth parish* Leksand Kopparbergs län *Occupation* Jordägare *Marital status* Gift *Gender* Man *Family status code* Far/man *Family no* 1 *Page* 11 *Row* 13 *Created by* Riksarkivet SVAR-Svensk arkivinformation *About the household* *Persons in the household* *Fam. no 1* Andersson, Smångs Per, b. 1830 in Leksand Kopparbergs län, /Jordägare/ ** Larsdotter, Brita <http://sok.riksarkivet.se/folkrakningar?Fornamn=brita&Efternamn=larsdotter&DatumFran=1824&DatumTill=1824&Fodelseforsamling=leksand&Folk1860=true&Folk1870=true&Folk1880=true&Folk1890=true&Folk1900=true&Folk1910=true&AvanceradSok=False&page=2&postid=Folk_117275895#tab>, b. 1824 in Leksand Kopparbergs län ** Margreta <http://sok.riksarkivet.se/folkrakningar?Fornamn=brita&Efternamn=larsdotter&DatumFran=1824&DatumTill=1824&Fodelseforsamling=leksand&Folk1860=true&Folk1870=true&Folk1880=true&Folk1890=true&Folk1900=true&Folk1910=true&AvanceradSok=False&page=2&postid=Folk_117275896#tab>, b. 1861 in Leksand Kopparbergs län ** Per <http://sok.riksarkivet.se/folkrakningar?Fornamn=brita&Efternamn=larsdotter&DatumFran=1824&DatumTill=1824&Fodelseforsamling=leksand&Folk1860=true&Folk1870=true&Folk1880=true&Folk1890=true&Folk1900=true&Folk1910=true&AvanceradSok=False&page=2&postid=Folk_117275897#tab>, b. 1863 in Leksand Kopparbergs län ** Carin <http://sok.riksarkivet.se/folkrakningar?Fornamn=brita&Efternamn=larsdotter&DatumFran=1824&DatumTill=1824&Fodelseforsamling=leksand&Folk1860=true&Folk1870=true&Folk1880=true&Folk1890=true&Folk1900=true&Folk1910=true&AvanceradSok=False&page=2&postid=Folk_117275898#tab>, b. 1870 in Leksand Kopparbergs län *Fam. no 2* Persson, Anders <http://sok.riksarkivet.se/folkrakningar?Fornamn=brita&Efternamn=larsdotter&DatumFran=1824&DatumTill=1824&Fodelseforsamling=leksand&Folk1860=true&Folk1870=true&Folk1880=true&Folk1890=true&Folk1900=true&Folk1910=true&AvanceradSok=False&page=2&postid=Folk_117275899#tab>, b. 1855 in Leksand Kopparbergs län, /Dräng/ ** Larsdotter, Brita <http://sok.riksarkivet.se/folkrakningar?Fornamn=brita&Efternamn=larsdotter&DatumFran=1824&DatumTill=1824&Fodelseforsamling=leksand&Folk1860=true&Folk1870=true&Folk1880=true&Folk1890=true&Folk1900=true&Folk1910=true&AvanceradSok=False&page=2&postid=Folk_117275900#tab>, b. 1849 in Leksand Kopparbergs län ** Anders <http://sok.riksarkivet.se/folkrakningar?Fornamn=brita&Efternamn=larsdotter&DatumFran=1824&DatumTill=1824&Fodelseforsamling=leksand&Folk1860=true&Folk1870=true&Folk1880=true&Folk1890=true&Folk1900=true&Folk1910=true&AvanceradSok=False&page=2&postid=Folk_117275901#tab>, b. 1875 in Leksand Kopparbergs län ** Anna <http://sok.riksarkivet.se/folkrakningar?Fornamn=brita&Efternamn=larsdotter&DatumFran=1824&DatumTill=1824&Fodelseforsamling=leksand&Folk1860=true&Folk1870=true&Folk1880=true&Folk1890=true&Folk1900=true&Folk1910=true&AvanceradSok=False&page=2&postid=Folk_117275902#tab>, b. 1879 in Siljansnäs Kopparbergs län ** Margreta <http://sok.riksarkivet.se/folkrakningar?Fornamn=brita&Efternamn=larsdotter&DatumFran=1824&DatumTill=1824&Fodelseforsamling=leksand&Folk1860=true&Folk1870=true&Folk1880=true&Folk1890=true&Folk1900=true&Folk1910=true&AvanceradSok=False&page=2&postid=Folk_117275903#tab>, b. 1880 in Siljansnäs Kopparbergs län Record for moving into Gustaf (said he moved to Åsen, Gustaf)....Gustafs B:1 (1861-1894) Image 92 (AID: v130320.b92, NAD: SE/ULA/10349) HFL: Gustafs AI:19a (1889-1899) Image 133 / page 125 (AID: v130318.b133.s125, NAD: SE/ULA/10349)...Brita Larsdotter b. 29 Nov 1824 dies 13 Apr 1895 and Per moves to Torsång Dec !896....on that page they were svärföraldrar...father and mother-in-law...daughter Anna's family is on the same page...no indication of any travel between moving in in 1890 and out in 1896. RECORD FROM SWEDEN DEATH CD 1901-2009 18300322 Andersson, Smångs Per Uddsarvet Dead 12/15/1907. Registered in Gustafs (Kopparbergs län, Dalarna). Born 3/22/1830 in Leksand (Kopparbergs län, Dalarna). Widower (4/13/1895). -------------- Corresponding parish(es) as of Jan 1, 2010: Säterbygden, Säters kn (Dalarnas län, Dalarna) Parish of birth in the records: Leksand (Kopparberg) Source records: DB, FS Lo in Flo Lois Kälander Casson Pensacola, Florida USA On 4/29/2014 11:22 PM, Joy Kersteter wrote: > Siljansnäs Kopparbergs län > Source Citation > Swedish Church Records Archive; Johanneshov, Sweden; Volume: AI:4; Record Type: Husförhör (Household examination); Year: 1887 - 1896; Roll/Fiche: CE7249; Handwritten/Stamped Page Number: 194/0 > Description > Year Range : 1887 - 1896 (AI:4) > > This record shows Smångs Per Andersson (born 22 March 1830 in Leksand, Kopparberg) and his wife Brita Larsdotter moving to Gustafs on 6 May 1890. Their daughter Carin goes to America. > > I didn’t find Per and Brita in Gustafs, Kopparberg (Ancestry doesn’t have any moving in records, but I did scroll through the HFLs for the time period). > > The family on the previous HFL was here: > Siljansnäs AI:3 (1878-1886) Image 91 / page 85 (AID: v131600.b91.s85, NAD: SE/ULA/11215) > > > > I’m trying to help someone who is trying to track down Per in America (King County, Washington) where he supposedly witnessed his son’s marriage (Peter Lind) in 1890. > > http://www.digitalarchives.wa.gov/Record/View/B79CE5866C3FB28DE032858835C404A7 > > (The signature on the certificate is P Anderson - which could be someone other than Peter’s father). > > > It’s possible that Per traveled to America as did two of his other children (Anders Persson, and Carin “Petterson” [on emigration] “Lind” [on her marriage record in 1890). The son Anders returned to Sweden. (I found his moving in record). > > I don’t know if Per went to America because I can’t find him leaving, but I did find him in the Swedish Death Index: > Births from the Swedish Death Index, 1901-2006 > Name: SmÂngs Per Andersson > Birth Date: 22 mar 1830 > Birth Place: Leksand, Kopparberg (Dalarna), Sverige (Sweden) > > Can anyone locate him on the 1890 or 1900 Swedish Census (Gustafs, Kopparberg or Siljansnäs). Wife Brita Larsdotter was born in 1834. > > Also, does the death index give any more information than listed above. > > Thanks for your time! > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > --
Mr. Johansson, Thanks for your response. The ship's manifest of the Saale which arrived in New York on Oct 25, 1886 from Bremmen had an Ida Erikson and her children Ida, Anna and Ellen (or Hellen) passengers 240-243, all from Sweden. Various children were noted on either the 1892 New York State Census and the 1900 Federal Census. (My grandmother, Grace, was listed on both as the daughter of Charles and Ida, even though her birth certificate noted her mother as Eva Erickson.) The ages noted on the census correspond to the passenger listings. I think that a Karl (Charles) may have arrived in June 23, 1884 aboard the Chip Britannic from Liverpool and Queenstown, passenger 450. I don't have any naturalization papes to verify since Charles was not listed as naturalized on the 1900 census and I don't have his naturalization application if in fact it exists. Thanks. Ken Dreitlein -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Bo Johansson Sent: Wednesday, April 30, 2014 1:03 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [SWEDEN] Karl and Ida Erickson Kenneth Dreitlein wrote 2014-04-29 22:01: > > I am a decendent of Grace Erickson (b. 1887, New York City) who was > the daughter of a Eva Erickson born ~ 1862 in Sweden. Grace was > raised by Charles ( born 9/13/1854 Sweden and died 2/23/1906 in > Brooklyn, NY) and Ida Erickson (born April 1855 Sweden and died March > 21, 1911 Brooklyn, N.Y.) I believe that either Charles or Ida was a > sibling in Eva. Ida immigrated to New York in 1886 and Charles in > 1885 and Eva sometime prior to the birht of Grace in Oct. 1887. The > ship passenger list for Ida listed her as a resident of Stockholm. On > the death certificates, Charles' parents were listed as Oscar and Ida > Erickson and Ida's parents were listed as Charles and Anna. Charles > and Ida has other children including Ida (1877), Senia (Nov. 1879), > Anna (1882), Helen (Sept. 1884), Frank (Nov. 1890), Albert > (1896) and Henry (1896). They lived in Brooklyn from at least 1892 to 1905. I don't see Karl and Ida in Swedish Census 1880, so perhaps some of the information you have is in error. There is for example no Senia/Zenia at all. And no Ida born 1877 with mother Ida born 1855 and father *arl born 1854. What is the ship passenger list you have seen? // Bo Johansson ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message
Joy Kersteter wrote 2014-04-30 06:22: > > Siljansnäs Kopparbergs län [...] Volume: AI:4; Record Type: > Husförhör (Household examination); Year: 1887 - 1896; > Roll/Fiche: CE7249; Handwritten/Stamped Page Number: 194/0 > Description > Year Range : 1887 - 1896 (AI:4) --- ArkivDigital Siljansnäs AI:4 (1886-1896) Image 204 / page 194 (AID: v131601.b204.s194, NAD: SE/ULA/11215) > > This record shows Smångs Per Andersson (born 22 March 1830 in > Leksand, Kopparberg) and his wife Brita Larsdotter moving to > Gustafs on 6 May 1890. Their daughter Carin goes to America. --- OK. > > I didn’t find Per and Brita in Gustafs, Kopparberg (Ancestry > doesn’t have any moving in records, but I did scroll through > the HFLs for the time period). --- Swedish Census 1890: Andersson, Per f. 1830 i Leksand (Kopparbergs län, Dalarna) Svärfar [father-in-law] Gift man, far i familjen [married man, father] Larsd:r, Brita f. 1824 i Leksand (Kopparbergs län, Dalarna) h. Gift kvinna, mor i familjen Åsen Gustafs (Kopparbergs län, Dalarna) ----------------------- They live with this family, Anna is presumably their daughter: Persson, Lars 1847 Leksand Persd:r, Anna 1853 Leksand - Brita 1874 Leksand - Anna 1879 Leksand - Karin 1883 Leksand - Victor Gabriel 1886 Gustafs - Carl Bernhard 1888 Gustafs - Maria 1889 Gustafs ---------- Andersson, Per 1830 Leksand Larsd:r, Brita 1824 Leksand This COULD be Per in 1900: Andersson, Per Murare [mason, bricklayer] b. 1830 in Leksand (Kopparbergs län, Dalarna) Widower Kårtylla Torsång (Kopparbergs län, Dalarna) --------------------------- They are number 4 in the 1890 moving-in list in Gustafs B:1 (1861-1894) Image 92 (AID: v130320.b92, NAD: SE/ULA/10349). They are found with the above family at Åsen, in Gustafs AI:19a (1889-1899) Image 133 / page 125 (AID: v130318.b133.s125, NAD: SE/ULA/10349). Brita Larsdotter dies 1895-04-13 (or 1895-07-13?), Per Andersson moves 1896-12-28 to Torstång. No indication that he had been in America. > > The family on the previous HFL was here: > Siljansnäs AI:3 (1878-1886) Image 91 / page 85 (AID: v131600.b91.s85, > NAD: SE/ULA/11215) --- OK. Before that in Siljansnäs AI:2 (1868-1878) Image 71 / page 67 (AID: v131599.b71.s67, NAD: SE/ULA/11215). They had come from page 81, where there is also a daughter Anna born 1853, who moves 1874 to number 48 "i byn" (in the village) > > I’m trying to help someone who is trying to track down Per in America > (King County, Washington) where he supposedly witnessed his son’s > marriage (Peter Lind) in 1890. > > http://www.digitalarchives.wa.gov/Record/View/B79CE5866C3FB28DE032858835C404A7 > > (The signature on the certificate is P Anderson - which could be > someone other than Peter’s father). > > > It’s possible that Per traveled to America as did two of his other > children (Anders Persson, and Carin “Petterson” [on emigration] > “Lind” [on her marriage record in 1890). The son Anders returned > to Sweden. (I found his moving in record). > > I don’t know if Per went to America because I can’t find him leaving, > but I did find him in the Swedish Death Index: > Births from the Swedish Death Index, 1901-2006 > Name: SmÂngs Per Andersson > Birth Date: 22 mar 1830 > Birth Place: Leksand, Kopparberg (Dalarna), Sverige (Sweden) > > Can anyone locate him on the 1890 or 1900 Swedish Census (Gustafs, > Kopparberg or Siljansnäs). Wife Brita Larsdotter was born in 1834. --- See above > > Also, does the death index give any more information than listed above. --- Yes: 18300322 Andersson, Smångs Per Uddsarvet Dead 12/15/1907. Registered in Gustafs (Kopparbergs län, Dalarna). Born 3/22/1830 in Leksand (Kopparbergs län, Dalarna). Widower (4/13/1895). -------------- // Bo Johansson
Kenneth Dreitlein wrote 2014-04-29 22:01: > > I am a decendent of Grace Erickson (b. 1887, New York City) who was the > daughter of a Eva Erickson born ~ 1862 in Sweden. Grace was raised by > Charles ( born 9/13/1854 Sweden and died 2/23/1906 in Brooklyn, NY) and > Ida Erickson (born April 1855 Sweden and died March 21, 1911 Brooklyn, N.Y.) > I believe that either Charles or Ida was a sibling in Eva. Ida immigrated > to New York in 1886 and Charles in 1885 and Eva sometime prior to the birht > of Grace in Oct. 1887. The ship passenger list for Ida listed her as a > resident of Stockholm. On the death certificates, Charles' parents were > listed as Oscar and Ida Erickson and Ida's parents were listed as Charles > and Anna. Charles and Ida has other children including Ida (1877), Senia > (Nov. 1879), Anna (1882), Helen (Sept. 1884), Frank (Nov. 1890), Albert > (1896) and Henry (1896). They lived in Brooklyn from at least 1892 to 1905. I don't see Karl and Ida in Swedish Census 1880, so perhaps some of the information you have is in error. There is for example no Senia/Zenia at all. And no Ida born 1877 with mother Ida born 1855 and father *arl born 1854. What is the ship passenger list you have seen? // Bo Johansson
Thank you very much Bo! Your help is greatly appreciated Joy Kersteter On Apr 29, 2014, at 10:27 PM, Bo Johansson <[email protected]> wrote: > Joy Kersteter wrote 2014-04-30 06:22: >> >> Siljansnäs Kopparbergs län [...] Volume: AI:4; Record Type: >> Husförhör (Household examination); Year: 1887 - 1896; >> Roll/Fiche: CE7249; Handwritten/Stamped Page Number: 194/0 >> Description >> Year Range : 1887 - 1896 (AI:4) > > --- ArkivDigital Siljansnäs AI:4 (1886-1896) Image 204 / page 194 (AID: > v131601.b204.s194, NAD: SE/ULA/11215) > >> >> This record shows Smångs Per Andersson (born 22 March 1830 in >> Leksand, Kopparberg) and his wife Brita Larsdotter moving to >> Gustafs on 6 May 1890. Their daughter Carin goes to America. > > --- OK. > >> >> I didn’t find Per and Brita in Gustafs, Kopparberg (Ancestry >> doesn’t have any moving in records, but I did scroll through >> the HFLs for the time period). > > --- Swedish Census 1890: > > Andersson, Per > f. 1830 i Leksand (Kopparbergs län, Dalarna) > Svärfar [father-in-law] > Gift man, far i familjen [married man, father] > > Larsd:r, Brita > f. 1824 i Leksand (Kopparbergs län, Dalarna) > h. > Gift kvinna, mor i familjen > > Åsen > Gustafs (Kopparbergs län, Dalarna) > ----------------------- > > They live with this family, Anna is presumably their daughter: > > Persson, Lars 1847 Leksand > Persd:r, Anna 1853 Leksand > - Brita 1874 Leksand > - Anna 1879 Leksand > - Karin 1883 Leksand > - Victor Gabriel 1886 Gustafs > - Carl Bernhard 1888 Gustafs > - Maria 1889 Gustafs > ---------- > Andersson, Per 1830 Leksand > Larsd:r, Brita 1824 Leksand > > > This COULD be Per in 1900: > > Andersson, Per > Murare [mason, bricklayer] > b. 1830 in Leksand (Kopparbergs län, Dalarna) > Widower > > Kårtylla > Torsång (Kopparbergs län, Dalarna) > --------------------------- > > > They are number 4 in the 1890 moving-in list in Gustafs B:1 (1861-1894) > Image 92 (AID: v130320.b92, NAD: SE/ULA/10349). > > They are found with the above family at Åsen, in Gustafs AI:19a > (1889-1899) Image 133 / page 125 (AID: v130318.b133.s125, NAD: > SE/ULA/10349). > > Brita Larsdotter dies 1895-04-13 (or 1895-07-13?), Per Andersson moves > 1896-12-28 to Torstång. > > No indication that he had been in America. > >> >> The family on the previous HFL was here: >> Siljansnäs AI:3 (1878-1886) Image 91 / page 85 (AID: v131600.b91.s85, >> NAD: SE/ULA/11215) > > --- OK. > > Before that in Siljansnäs AI:2 (1868-1878) Image 71 / page 67 (AID: > v131599.b71.s67, NAD: SE/ULA/11215). > > They had come from page 81, where there is also a daughter Anna born > 1853, who moves 1874 to number 48 "i byn" (in the village) > >> >> I’m trying to help someone who is trying to track down Per in America >> (King County, Washington) where he supposedly witnessed his son’s >> marriage (Peter Lind) in 1890. >> >> http://www.digitalarchives.wa.gov/Record/View/B79CE5866C3FB28DE032858835C404A7 >> >> (The signature on the certificate is P Anderson - which could be >> someone other than Peter’s father). >> >> >> It’s possible that Per traveled to America as did two of his other >> children (Anders Persson, and Carin “Petterson” [on emigration] >> “Lind” [on her marriage record in 1890). The son Anders returned >> to Sweden. (I found his moving in record). >> >> I don’t know if Per went to America because I can’t find him leaving, >> but I did find him in the Swedish Death Index: >> Births from the Swedish Death Index, 1901-2006 >> Name: SmÂngs Per Andersson >> Birth Date: 22 mar 1830 >> Birth Place: Leksand, Kopparberg (Dalarna), Sverige (Sweden) >> >> Can anyone locate him on the 1890 or 1900 Swedish Census (Gustafs, >> Kopparberg or Siljansnäs). Wife Brita Larsdotter was born in 1834. > > --- See above > >> >> Also, does the death index give any more information than listed above. > > --- Yes: > > 18300322 > Andersson, Smångs Per > Uddsarvet > > Dead 12/15/1907. > > Registered in Gustafs (Kopparbergs län, Dalarna). > > Born 3/22/1830 in Leksand (Kopparbergs län, Dalarna). > > Widower (4/13/1895). > -------------- > > > // Bo Johansson > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message
Siljansnäs Kopparbergs län Source Citation Swedish Church Records Archive; Johanneshov, Sweden; Volume: AI:4; Record Type: Husförhör (Household examination); Year: 1887 - 1896; Roll/Fiche: CE7249; Handwritten/Stamped Page Number: 194/0 Description Year Range : 1887 - 1896 (AI:4) This record shows Smångs Per Andersson (born 22 March 1830 in Leksand, Kopparberg) and his wife Brita Larsdotter moving to Gustafs on 6 May 1890. Their daughter Carin goes to America. I didn’t find Per and Brita in Gustafs, Kopparberg (Ancestry doesn’t have any moving in records, but I did scroll through the HFLs for the time period). The family on the previous HFL was here: Siljansnäs AI:3 (1878-1886) Image 91 / page 85 (AID: v131600.b91.s85, NAD: SE/ULA/11215) I’m trying to help someone who is trying to track down Per in America (King County, Washington) where he supposedly witnessed his son’s marriage (Peter Lind) in 1890. http://www.digitalarchives.wa.gov/Record/View/B79CE5866C3FB28DE032858835C404A7 (The signature on the certificate is P Anderson - which could be someone other than Peter’s father). It’s possible that Per traveled to America as did two of his other children (Anders Persson, and Carin “Petterson” [on emigration] “Lind” [on her marriage record in 1890). The son Anders returned to Sweden. (I found his moving in record). I don’t know if Per went to America because I can’t find him leaving, but I did find him in the Swedish Death Index: Births from the Swedish Death Index, 1901-2006 Name: SmÂngs Per Andersson Birth Date: 22 mar 1830 Birth Place: Leksand, Kopparberg (Dalarna), Sverige (Sweden) Can anyone locate him on the 1890 or 1900 Swedish Census (Gustafs, Kopparberg or Siljansnäs). Wife Brita Larsdotter was born in 1834. Also, does the death index give any more information than listed above. Thanks for your time!
I found them in Hornborga on Måns Svensgård, and it says they moved in from Segerstad on 26/11 78. That is definitely not where the Segerstad moving out record said they were going! Thank you so much for the census information! Annette On 4/29/14, Annette Bowen <[email protected]> wrote: > Bo, > Thank you so much. I should be able to work forward and backward from > 1880. They kept moving every year or so, and I had lost them. > > Annette > > On 4/29/14, Bo Johansson <[email protected]> wrote: >> Annette Bowen wrote 2014-04-28 23:05: >> > >>> In the moving out records, numbers 42-44 Per Gustaf Svensson and his >>> two children Josefina and Frans Gustaf - where are they going? I >>> looked for them in Broddetorp and Broddarp without success. The >>> handwriting is difficult, and those were the only parishes that looked >>> like possibilities to me. Are any of these people in a census or >>> death record? >> >> Looks like Broddtorp, I think. >> >> Heer from Swedish Census 1880: >> >> Svensson, Pehr Gustaf >> Arrendator af utmark [lease-holder] >> b. 1824 in Slöta (Skaraborgs län, Västergötland) >> Widower, father >> >> Frans Gustaf >> b. 1858 in Karleby (Skaraborgs län, Västergötland) >> s. >> Man, single, child >> >> Svensson, Carl Fredrik >> Inhyses [lodger] >> b. 1830 >> broder [brother] >> Man, single >> >> Måns Svensgård >> Hornborga (Skaraborgs län, Västergötland) >> ----------------------------- >> >> >> Probably the daughter: >> >> Alin, Adolf Reinhold >> Soldat >> b. 1855 in Slöta (Skaraborgs län, Västergötland) >> Man, married, father >> >> Persdotter, Josefina >> b. 1856 in Karleby (Skaraborgs län, Västergötland) >> h. >> Woman, married, mother >> >> Henrik Linus >> b. 1880 in Kinneved (Skaraborgs län, Västergötland) >> s. >> Boy, child >> >> Halsäng >> Kinneved (Skaraborgs län, Västergötland) >> ------------------------------- >> >> >> Swedish Death Index 1901-2009: >> >> 18240102 >> Svensson, Per Gustav >> Vallen, Måns Svensgården, Hornborga >> Dead 11/10/1913. >> >> Registered in Hornborga (Skaraborgs län, Västergötland). >> >> Born 1/2/1824 in Slöta (Skaraborgs län, Västergötland). >> >> Widower. >> ---------------------------- >> >> >> I don't see Frans Gustaf and Josefina in the Death Index, but that is >> not complete before 1947. >> >> >> // Bo Johansson >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes >> in the subject and the body of the message >> >
Bo Johansson wrote 2014-04-29 07:23: > >> For no. 15, Gustafva Gabrielsdotter, what was the cause of death? > > --- "Kronisk lufirös(?) inflammation", but I don't know what that is > supposed to be. --- Perhaps "Kronisk luftrörsinflammation" (Chronic bronchitis) // Bo Johansson
Bo, Thank you so much. I should be able to work forward and backward from 1880. They kept moving every year or so, and I had lost them. Annette On 4/29/14, Bo Johansson <[email protected]> wrote: > Annette Bowen wrote 2014-04-28 23:05: > > >> In the moving out records, numbers 42-44 Per Gustaf Svensson and his >> two children Josefina and Frans Gustaf - where are they going? I >> looked for them in Broddetorp and Broddarp without success. The >> handwriting is difficult, and those were the only parishes that looked >> like possibilities to me. Are any of these people in a census or >> death record? > > Looks like Broddtorp, I think. > > Heer from Swedish Census 1880: > > Svensson, Pehr Gustaf > Arrendator af utmark [lease-holder] > b. 1824 in Slöta (Skaraborgs län, Västergötland) > Widower, father > > Frans Gustaf > b. 1858 in Karleby (Skaraborgs län, Västergötland) > s. > Man, single, child > > Svensson, Carl Fredrik > Inhyses [lodger] > b. 1830 > broder [brother] > Man, single > > Måns Svensgård > Hornborga (Skaraborgs län, Västergötland) > ----------------------------- > > > Probably the daughter: > > Alin, Adolf Reinhold > Soldat > b. 1855 in Slöta (Skaraborgs län, Västergötland) > Man, married, father > > Persdotter, Josefina > b. 1856 in Karleby (Skaraborgs län, Västergötland) > h. > Woman, married, mother > > Henrik Linus > b. 1880 in Kinneved (Skaraborgs län, Västergötland) > s. > Boy, child > > Halsäng > Kinneved (Skaraborgs län, Västergötland) > ------------------------------- > > > Swedish Death Index 1901-2009: > > 18240102 > Svensson, Per Gustav > Vallen, Måns Svensgården, Hornborga > Dead 11/10/1913. > > Registered in Hornborga (Skaraborgs län, Västergötland). > > Born 1/2/1824 in Slöta (Skaraborgs län, Västergötland). > > Widower. > ---------------------------- > > > I don't see Frans Gustaf and Josefina in the Death Index, but that is > not complete before 1947. > > > // Bo Johansson > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message >
I am a decendent of Grace Erickson (b. 1887, New York City) who was the daughter of a Eva Erickson born ~ 1862 in Sweden. Grace was raised by Charles ( born 9/13/1854 Sweden and died 2/23/1906 in Brooklyn, NY) and Ida Erickson (born April 1855 Sweden and died March 21, 1911 Brooklyn, N.Y.) I believe that either Charles or Ida was a sibling in Eva. Ida immigrated to New York in 1886 and Charles in 1885 and Eva sometime prior to the birht of Grace in Oct. 1887. The ship passenger list for Ida listed her as a resident of Stockholm. On the death certificates, Charles' parents were listed as Oscar and Ida Erickson and Ida's parents were listed as Charles and Anna. Charles and Ida has other children including Ida (1877), Senia (Nov. 1879), Anna (1882), Helen (Sept. 1884), Frank (Nov. 1890), Albert (1896) and Henry (1896). They lived in Brooklyn from at least 1892 to 1905. If anyone could provide any additional information on this family, I would be especially grateful. Ken Dreitlein [email protected]
Thank you, Bo. Annette On 4/29/14, Bo Johansson <[email protected]> wrote: > Bo Johansson wrote 2014-04-29 07:23: >> >>> For no. 15, Gustafva Gabrielsdotter, what was the cause of death? >> >> --- "Kronisk lufirös(?) inflammation", but I don't know what that is >> supposed to be. > > --- Perhaps "Kronisk luftrörsinflammation" (Chronic bronchitis) > > // Bo Johansson > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message
Annette Bowen wrote 2014-04-29 00:35: > > For no. 15, Gustafva Gabrielsdotter, what was the cause of death? --- "Kronisk lufirös(?) inflammation", but I don't know what that is supposed to be. > > Did she die at a hospital in Falköping? --- Yes "Lasarettet i Falköping". // Bo Johansson