Thank you, Bo. On 5/4/14, Bo Johansson <[email protected]> wrote: > Annette Bowen wrote 2014-05-04 21:29: > > >> Thank you, Bo. I don't read Swedish well enough to attempt the estate >> inventories. This one seems to prove that the Lars Larsson whose >> death I found is the correct father of Catharina and that Christina >> and Anders were he siblings. I'll look again for Johannes. Were >> Johannes Larsson and Anders Sandberg the men who made the inventory? > > --- Yes, "nämndemannen" (jury-man/court-member) "wälförståndige" > (well-sensible) Johannes Larsson and "Sockensmeden" (parish smith) > Anders Sandberg "biträdde såsom wärderingsmän" (assisted as evaluators). > >> >> I think number 9 is Lars Larsson from Yllestad moving in to Kullag. in >> 1764. >> Hångsdala B:1 (1762-1799) Image 8 / page 7 (AID: v27772.b8.s7, NAD: >> SE/GLA/13238) > > --- Farmhand(?) Lars Larsson came from Yllesta, is in Kullagård. > > // Bo Johansson > >>> >>> In 1798 Lars Larsson is recorded as survived by widow Elin >>> Svensdotter and children Johannes, Anders, Christina and Catharina. >>> Dimbo häradsrätt FII:19 (1798-1799) Image 275 / page 539 (AID: >>> v143555.b275.s539, NAD: SE/GLA/11025) > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message

Thank you, Bo. I don't read Swedish well enough to attempt the estate inventories. This one seems to prove that the Lars Larsson whose death I found is the correct father of Catharina and that Christina and Anders were he siblings. I'll look again for Johannes. Were Johannes Larsson and Anders Sandberg the men who made the inventory? I think number 9 is Lars Larsson from Yllestad moving in to Kullag. in 1764. Hångsdala B:1 (1762-1799) Image 8 / page 7 (AID: v27772.b8.s7, NAD: SE/GLA/13238) Annette On 5/4/14, Bo Johansson <[email protected]> wrote: > Annette Bowen wrote 2014-05-04 04:25: > > >> Anders was born at Nolgården, so that is probably correct for his >> parents' address. >> >> Since they married in Skörstorp, would that probably mean that >> Catharina's family had moved there? I have found what I think is the >> marriage of her parents, Lars Larsson and Elin Svensdotter, no. 85 in >> 1763, and it looks like they lived in Kullagården. >> >> Hångsdala C:1 (1702-1793) Image 1490 / page 289 > > --- Address Kullagård, her(?) parents Svens Bryngelsson and Ingrid. > >> >> Going through the births and baptisms, I have found two additional >> children that may be siblings of Catharina. >> >> Christina, born 10 Jan 1774. >> Hångsdala C:1 (1702-1793) Image 920 / page 175 (AID: >> v27779a.b920.s175, NAD: SE/GLA/13238) > > --- Parents Lars Larsson and Elin Svensdotter in Kullagård. > >> >> And possibly Anders, born 26 Apr 1777. >> Hångsdala C:1 (1702-1793) Image 980 / page 187 (AID: >> v27779a.b980.s187, NAD: SE/GLA/13238) > > --- Parents Lars and wife Elin in Kullagård. > >> >> I didn't find anything else after Catharina's birth on 9 Dec 1780, >> except her marriage in 1804. That leaves a huge gap before the HFLs >> begin in 1824. Most of the birth and death records for all of this >> pastorat are combined. I found only one Elin Svinsdotter that might >> be a possibility but the parents' names don't fit those on the >> marriage record. >> Hångsdala C:2 (1794-1835) Image 155 / page 301 (AID: v27783.b155.s301, >> NAD: SE/GLA/13238) > > --- Wrong reference I think, she would have been born around 1740. > >> >> I think I may have done all I can do on this family. > > --- Perhaps estate inventories? > > In 1798 Lars Larsson is recorded as survived by widow Elin Svensdotter > and children Johannes, Anders, Christina and Catharina. > Dimbo häradsrätt FII:19 (1798-1799) Image 275 / page 539 (AID: > v143555.b275.s539, NAD: SE/GLA/11025) > > Or "mantalslängder" (taxation population registers), they are found > under "Vartofta häradsskrivare" > > // Bo Johansson > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message

Thank you, Bo. I couldn't figure out enough of the letters to look up the words. I appreciate your help. Annette On 5/4/14, Bo Johansson <[email protected]> wrote: > Annette Bowen wrote 2014-05-04 07:11: > > >> I need help reading the death record for Lars Larsson who died > > June 4, 1798. > > Death date: 4 June ("Junii" = of June) 1798 > Burial date: 10 June > Name: Lars Larsson > Parents (here address): lodger(?) at Ledsgården(??) "Hdla" (Hångsdala) > Address (here parents): father Lars Nås/Nilsson(?), mother Stina N(?) > living(?) in Backegård(?) Yllestad. > Age: 56 > Circumstances: After a ??? hit on the head ??? ??? ??? at a timber > transport(??) helped ??? ??? in Hvalstad(?), died next day(?) during sleep. > > The text was difficult, but I think it means a death by accident. > > // Bo Johansson > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message >

Annette Bowen wrote 2014-05-04 04:25: > > Anders was born at Nolgården, so that is probably correct for his > parents' address. > > Since they married in Skörstorp, would that probably mean that > Catharina's family had moved there? I have found what I think is the > marriage of her parents, Lars Larsson and Elin Svensdotter, no. 85 in > 1763, and it looks like they lived in Kullagården. > > Hångsdala C:1 (1702-1793) Image 1490 / page 289 --- Address Kullagård, her(?) parents Svens Bryngelsson and Ingrid. > > Going through the births and baptisms, I have found two additional > children that may be siblings of Catharina. > > Christina, born 10 Jan 1774. > Hångsdala C:1 (1702-1793) Image 920 / page 175 (AID: > v27779a.b920.s175, NAD: SE/GLA/13238) --- Parents Lars Larsson and Elin Svensdotter in Kullagård. > > And possibly Anders, born 26 Apr 1777. > Hångsdala C:1 (1702-1793) Image 980 / page 187 (AID: > v27779a.b980.s187, NAD: SE/GLA/13238) --- Parents Lars and wife Elin in Kullagård. > > I didn't find anything else after Catharina's birth on 9 Dec 1780, > except her marriage in 1804. That leaves a huge gap before the HFLs > begin in 1824. Most of the birth and death records for all of this > pastorat are combined. I found only one Elin Svinsdotter that might > be a possibility but the parents' names don't fit those on the > marriage record. > Hångsdala C:2 (1794-1835) Image 155 / page 301 (AID: v27783.b155.s301, > NAD: SE/GLA/13238) --- Wrong reference I think, she would have been born around 1740. > > I think I may have done all I can do on this family. --- Perhaps estate inventories? In 1798 Lars Larsson is recorded as survived by widow Elin Svensdotter and children Johannes, Anders, Christina and Catharina. Dimbo häradsrätt FII:19 (1798-1799) Image 275 / page 539 (AID: v143555.b275.s539, NAD: SE/GLA/11025) Or "mantalslängder" (taxation population registers), they are found under "Vartofta häradsskrivare" // Bo Johansson

Annette Bowen wrote 2014-05-04 07:11: > > I need help reading the death record for Lars Larsson who died > June 4, 1798. Death date: 4 June ("Junii" = of June) 1798 Burial date: 10 June Name: Lars Larsson Parents (here address): lodger(?) at Ledsgården(??) "Hdla" (Hångsdala) Address (here parents): father Lars Nås/Nilsson(?), mother Stina N(?) living(?) in Backegård(?) Yllestad. Age: 56 Circumstances: After a ??? hit on the head ??? ??? ??? at a timber transport(??) helped ??? ??? in Hvalstad(?), died next day(?) during sleep. The text was difficult, but I think it means a death by accident. // Bo Johansson

I need help reading the death record for Lars Larsson who died June 4, 1798. Thank you. Annette

Anders was born at Nolgården, so that is probably correct for his parents' address. Since they married in Skörstorp, would that probably mean that Catharina's family had moved there? I have found what I think is the marriage of her parents, Lars Larsson and Elin Svensdotter, no. 85 in 1763, and it looks like they lived in Kullagården. Hångsdala C:1 (1702-1793) Image 1490 / page 289 Going through the births and baptisms, I have found two additional children that may be siblings of Catharina. Christina, born 10 Jan 1774. Hångsdala C:1 (1702-1793) Image 920 / page 175 (AID: v27779a.b920.s175, NAD: SE/GLA/13238) And possibly Anders, born 26 Apr 1777. Hångsdala C:1 (1702-1793) Image 980 / page 187 (AID: v27779a.b980.s187, NAD: SE/GLA/13238) I didn't find anything else after Catharina's birth on 9 Dec 1780, except her marriage in 1804. That leaves a huge gap before the HFLs begin in 1824. Most of the birth and death records for all of this pastorat are combined. I found only one Elin Svinsdotter that might be a possibility but the parents' names don't fit those on the marriage record. Hångsdala C:2 (1794-1835) Image 155 / page 301 (AID: v27783.b155.s301, NAD: SE/GLA/13238) I think I may have done all I can do on this family. Thanks so much for your help. Annette On 5/3/14, Bo Johansson <[email protected]> wrote: > Annette Bowen wrote 2014-05-03 06:31: > > >> Thank you, Bo. Several of their children were born in >> Skattevraksgården so they must have lived there for a while. >> >> I was hoping it gave Catharina's address. There are no HFLs in this >> pastorat until 1824. I found her birth record but I can't read the >> place name. It may just say brukare in Hångsdala. >> >> Hångsdala C:1 (1702-1793) Image 1060 / page 203 (AID: >> v27779a.b1060.s203, NAD: SE/GLA/13238) > > --- Yes, "brukare i Hångsdala" > > Perhaps the marriage record has his parents living in "Sktrp" (Skörstorp > parish), in the same "pastorat". Possibly at Nolgården?? > > // Bo Johansson > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message

Annette Bowen wrote 2014-05-03 06:31: > > Thank you, Bo. Several of their children were born in > Skattevraksgården so they must have lived there for a while. > > I was hoping it gave Catharina's address. There are no HFLs in this > pastorat until 1824. I found her birth record but I can't read the > place name. It may just say brukare in Hångsdala. > > Hångsdala C:1 (1702-1793) Image 1060 / page 203 (AID: > v27779a.b1060.s203, NAD: SE/GLA/13238) --- Yes, "brukare i Hångsdala" Perhaps the marriage record has his parents living in "Sktrp" (Skörstorp parish), in the same "pastorat". Possibly at Nolgården?? // Bo Johansson

Thank you, Bo. Several of their children were born in Skattevraksgården so they must have lived there for a while. I was hoping it gave Catharina's address. There are no HFLs in this pastorat until 1824. I found her birth record but I can't read the place name. It may just say brukare in Hångsdala. Hångsdala C:1 (1702-1793) Image 1060 / page 203 (AID: v27779a.b1060.s203, NAD: SE/GLA/13238) Annette On 5/2/14, Bo Johansson <[email protected]> wrote: > Annette Bowen wrote 2014-05-02 06:06: > > >> I need help reading the marriage record of Dr. Anders Jonsson & Pig. >> Catherina LarsDtr, the first entry on the right page. I can't read >> this handwriting. > > Year: 1804 > Couple: bachelor Anders(?) Jonasson, maid Catharina Larsdotter in > Skattevraksgården Gerum. > Parents: Jonas Andersson, Annika Carlssdotter in ??? > Address: will remain in service/employment in ??? but they ??? ??? in > Skattevraksgården Gerum. > Marriage date: the 8th July > Banns fee: 8 skilling > Morning gift: according to law > > There is a Gerum Skattevraksgården in Östra Gerum parish, in the same > "pasorat". > > // Bo Johansson > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message >

[email protected] wrote 2014-05-02 20:17: > > Siljansnäs, Kopparberg > I need some assistance deciphering a comment on the following Household > Examination: Siljansnäs, Kopparberg, Household Examination 1887-1896 AI:4 > Page 209 (image 214 of 366) > > The family of Smångs Anders Persson is entered twice on the page. > The first entry shows all pertinent data for Per Andersson and that he > went to Amerika in 1887. His wife and children follow about 2 years later. > > The second entry shows no information for Per Andersson other than his > name, and that his wife and children had returned from Amerika in > November of 1890. --- Brita is recorded as Smångs Anders Persson's wife Brita Larsdotter. Nothing mentioned where the husband can be. Notice the little "s" after Persson. > > There is a comment for Brita on the second entry of the family > that says something about Anders dated 1893 22/1. > That note is what I'm having trouble reading. It may say > something about him staying in Amerika or dying or divorcing???? --- 1893 22 January has wife Brita Larsdotter as her own let be recorded the child Anders. > > Brita and the kids moving in record in 1890: > Kopparberg, Siljansnäs, Inflyttning (Moving in) 1875-1894 > (Image 24 of 31) > 1890 #14 15/11 page 209 Smångs A.P.T Hustru och Barn, > from N. Amerika, to Ahlmo, 2 males, 4 females (so they returned > WITHOUT Anders Persson, or there would have been 3 males) --- Smångs A.P.Ss (Smångs Anders Persson's) wife and children. > > Page 195 where they move to from page 209 still has > Pers Andersson's name listed, but no data, so I assume he's still gone > Siljansnäs, Kopparberg, Household Examination 1887-1896 AI:4 > Page 195 (image 200 of 366) --- Brita is recorded as Smångs Anders Persson's wife Brita Larsdotter. Nothing mentioned where the husband can be. Notice the little "s" after Persson. > > This image says the family is on page 135 in the next book, but > ancestry, where I am accessing the images, does not have the book > starting in 1896/1897. --- Siljansnäs AIIa:1 (1896-1909) Image 1470 / page 135 (AID: v131603.b1470.s135, NAD: SE/ULA/11215). Here with a remark: the husband resides in USA. Then in Siljansnäs AIIa:3 (1909-1922) Image 1570 / page 141 (AID: v184368.b1570.s141, NAD: SE/ULA/11215) The same remark, Brita Larsdotter dies 1918-04-27. // Bo Johansson

Siljansnäs, Kopparberg I need some assistance deciphering a comment on the following Household Examination:   Siljansnäs, Kopparberg, Household Examination 1887-1896 AI:4 Page 209 (image 214 of 366)   The family of Smångs Anders Persson is entered twice on the page. The first entry shows all pertinent data for Per Andersson and that he went to Amerika in 1887. His wife and children follow about 2 years later.   The second entry shows no information for Per Andersson other than his name, and that his wife and children had returned from Amerika in November of 1890. There is a comment for Brita on the second entry of the family that says something about Anders dated 1893 22/1. That note is what I'm having trouble reading.  It may say something about him staying in Amerika or dying or divorcing????   Brita and the kids moving in record in 1890: Kopparberg, Siljansnäs, Inflyttning (Moving in) 1875-1894 (Image 24 of 31) 1890 #14 15/11 page 209 Smångs A.P.T Hustru och Barn, from N. Amerika, to Ahlmo, 2 males, 4 females (so they returned WITHOUT Anders Persson, or there would have been 3 males)   Page 195 where they move to from page 209 still has Pers Andersson's name listed, but no data, so I assume he's still gone Siljansnäs, Kopparberg, Household Examination 1887-1896 AI:4 Page 195 (image 200 of 366)   This image says the family is on page 135 in the next book, but ancestry, where I am accessing the images, does not have the book starting in 1896/1897.   Thanks for your assistance   Joy  

These are the Finnish links I know of. http://boards.ancestry.com/localities.scan-balt.finland.general/mb.ashx http://www.genealogia.fi/indexgb.html http://www.migrationinstitute.fi/index_e.php Finland was a part of Sweden until 1809. The Erikssons were a part of the Swedish population in Finland. Martin Kenneth Dreitlein skrev 2014-05-02 01:35: > I really appreciate everyone's including Martin's, input to my search. > Since my mother said her mother's ancestors came from Sweden and the 1892 NY > State Census listed Sweden as Karl's and Ida's home country, I may the > rookie mistake of believing that was the case. Any advice as to how I can > determine the specific location of their home city from those who have had > experiencs with finding relatives in Finland would be greatly appreciated. > Note that Karl, who was a seaman, was listed as an alien in both the 1900 > Federal and 1905 NY State Census so I am not sure he ever applied for > citizenship. This seems inconsistant with other immigrant's who applied for > citizenship shortly after arriving as he immigrated in 1884. > > Ken Dreitlein > > - --- Detta epostmeddelande innehåller inget virus eller annan skadlig kod för avast! antivirus är aktivt. http://www.avast.com

Annette Bowen wrote 2014-05-02 06:06: > > I need help reading the marriage record of Dr. Anders Jonsson & Pig. > Catherina LarsDtr, the first entry on the right page. I can't read > this handwriting. Year: 1804 Couple: bachelor Anders(?) Jonasson, maid Catharina Larsdotter in Skattevraksgården Gerum. Parents: Jonas Andersson, Annika Carlssdotter in ??? Address: will remain in service/employment in ??? but they ??? ??? in Skattevraksgården Gerum. Marriage date: the 8th July Banns fee: 8 skilling Morning gift: according to law There is a Gerum Skattevraksgården in Östra Gerum parish, in the same "pasorat". // Bo Johansson

Swedish Census 1880 has 6 people living in Boda parish named Laggar: Laggar Per Johan Andersson, born 1834 Laggar Anders Hansson, born 1829 Laggar Hans Hansson, born 1852 Laggar Anna Jonsdotter, born 1825 Laggar Brita Olsdotter, born 1827 Laggar Olof Olsson, born 1826 The last one living at Ovanmyra: Olsson, Laggar Olof Hemmansägare [farm-owner] b. 1826 in Boda (Kopparbergs län, Dalarna) Man, married, father Andersdotter, Brita Stina b. 1828 in Ore (Kopparbergs län, Dalarna) h. Woman, married, mother Anna b. 1860 in Boda (Kopparbergs län, Dalarna) d. Woman, single, child Ofvanmyra Boda (Kopparbergs län, Dalarna) --------------------------- // Bo Johansson Dusty Gorman wrote 2014-05-02 04:55: > > They were in the Dalarna area. They are listed in Ovanmyra, Boda, > Kopparberg. >>> >>> Can someone help me translate the Swedish word "laggar?" >> >> It COULD be a Dalarna-type farm name, for example Laggar Anders Ersson. >> >> // Bo Johansson

I need help reading the marriage record of Dr. Anders Jonsson & Pig. Catherina LarsDtr, the first entry on the right page. I can't read this handwriting. Thank you, Annette

Hi Bo, They were in the Dalarna area. They are listed in Ovanmyra, Boda, Kopparberg. Dusty On Thu, May 1, 2014 at 1:06 AM, Bo Johansson <[email protected]>wrote: > Dusty Gorman wrote 2014-05-01 04:58: > > > > Can someone help me translate the Swedish word "laggar?" I am working on > > scanning several Swedish pictures. Some of them have writing on the > back. > > On a few in front of the persons name is the word "laggar." I remember > > coming across the word before in my research of this families house > > records. I can't seem to find a translation for the word though. Can > > anyone help? > > It COULD be a Dalarna-type farm name, for example Laggar Anders Ersson. > > // Bo Johansson > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

I really appreciate everyone's including Martin's, input to my search. Since my mother said her mother's ancestors came from Sweden and the 1892 NY State Census listed Sweden as Karl's and Ida's home country, I may the rookie mistake of believing that was the case. Any advice as to how I can determine the specific location of their home city from those who have had experiencs with finding relatives in Finland would be greatly appreciated. Note that Karl, who was a seaman, was listed as an alien in both the 1900 Federal and 1905 NY State Census so I am not sure he ever applied for citizenship. This seems inconsistant with other immigrant's who applied for citizenship shortly after arriving as he immigrated in 1884. Ken Dreitlein -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Bo Johansson Sent: Thursday, May 01, 2014 7:19 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [SWEDEN] Karl and Ida Erickson Martin wrote 2014-05-01 12:24: > > This looks like them. They came from Finland and left Stockholm 6 Oct 1886. > > Ida Amalia Eriksson, 37, going to New York, ticket prepaid. > Dau. Ida, 7 > Dau. Unreadable, 4 > Dau. Ellen, 2 > > https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/19384775/1886-A0069179_00036.jpg Perhaps the unreadable name is Aina? // Bo Johansson ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Martin wrote 2014-05-01 12:24: > > This looks like them. They came from Finland and left Stockholm 6 Oct 1886. > > Ida Amalia Eriksson, 37, going to New York, ticket prepaid. > Dau. Ida, 7 > Dau. Unreadable, 4 > Dau. Ellen, 2 > > https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/19384775/1886-A0069179_00036.jpg Perhaps the unreadable name is Aina? // Bo Johansson

Ida Amalia Eriksson is 31, not 37. Martin --- Detta epostmeddelande innehåller inget virus eller annan skadlig kod för avast! antivirus är aktivt. http://www.avast.com

This looks like them. They came from Finland and left Stockholm 6 Oct 1886. Ida Amalia Eriksson, 37, going to New York, ticket prepaid. Dau. Ida, 7 Dau. Unreadable, 4 Dau. Ellen, 2 https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/19384775/1886-A0069179_00036.jpg Martin Kenneth Dreitlein skrev 2014-04-30 14:18: > Mr. Johansson, > > Thanks for your response. The ship's manifest of the Saale which arrived in > New York on Oct 25, 1886 from Bremmen had an Ida Erikson and her children > Ida, Anna and Ellen (or Hellen) passengers 240-243, all from Sweden. > Various children were noted on either the 1892 New York State Census and the > 1900 Federal Census. (My grandmother, Grace, was listed on both as the > daughter of Charles and Ida, even though her birth certificate noted her > mother as Eva Erickson.) The ages noted on the census correspond to the > passenger listings. I think that a Karl (Charles) may have arrived in June > 23, 1884 aboard the Chip Britannic from Liverpool and Queenstown, passenger > 450. I don't have any naturalization papes to verify since Charles was not > listed as naturalized on the 1900 census and I don't have his naturalization > application if in fact it exists. > > Thanks. > Ken Dreitlein > --- Detta epostmeddelande innehåller inget virus eller annan skadlig kod för avast! antivirus är aktivt. http://www.avast.com