Annette Bowen wrote 2014-05-31 18:58: > > The death record for Kristina Andersdotter, no. 13, says she died in > Falköpings stadsf. Would you assume that she was in a hospital there? > I didn't see her in the death records for that parish. I'm not sure how it worked, but perhaps for people who died at the hospital, only the home parish was notified. And since she died of cancer, it was probably at the hospital. // Bo Johansson

Dear Bo, Thank you for the tip to look at Karlstad's prison records, where I found Eric Johan Skogstrom who falsified something in 1868 and did go to the prison for a year. At Fångvårdsanstalten i Karlstad DIIIfb:9(1868-1868) Bild 131 (AID: v167834.b131, NAD: SE/VA/11582) in the third main column it says "Förfalskningsbrott – Magistraten i Carlstad." Does that mean he falsified records AT the Magistrate in Carlstad or they were the ones who caught him? Could you help with a few words in the next column? I read "Den 22 dennes under?? ?? inför Rådstafs(?) Rätten i Carlstad -- 1868 den 25 Juli ankom och kunggjördes Rådstafs Rätten i Carlstad Utslag af den 22 i samma månad ??? Skogström för förfalskning af skuld, förbindelse ?? 900 Riksdaler blifit dömd att undergå ett års straffarbete samt under tio år vara förlustig medborgerligt förtroende. Skogström med utslaget nöjd, började den 25 Juli undergå bestraffningen." So it sounds like he falsified some records, maybe at Carlstad's Magistrate, that involved a debt of 900 Riksdaler and we have already been through his sentence (thank you for that information earlier). He was satisfied with the sentence and started it 25 July. There is some more information about this at Fångvårdsanstalten i Karlstad DIIIaa:12(1868-1868) Bild 66 / sid 55 (AID: v167746.b66.s55, NAD: SE/VA/11582). In the column describing his looks, after hair is "ansigt" (or ansikt) and I cannot read the answer, it looks like "vvart". Under height, it looks like they used feet (?) so he was 5 feet 7 ?? In the next column, it says "förfalskning ??? af ?? Rätten i Carlstad." Thank you so much for your help, Nina

Thanks, Bo. We learn the bad as well as the good. Annette On 5/31/14, Bo Johansson <[email protected]> wrote: > Annette Bowen wrote 2014-05-31 19:14: > > >> The death record for Alfred Johansson, no. 13, says he committed >> suicide, I think. What else does it say in the cause of death field? >> Gunshot wound something? I couldn't read enough letters to figure it >> out in Google translate. > > Yes, suicide, gunshot wound in right temple. > > // Bo Johansson > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message >

Thank you, Bo. On 5/31/14, Bo Johansson <[email protected]> wrote: > Annette Bowen wrote 2014-05-31 18:58: > > >> The death record for Kristina Andersdotter, no. 13, says she died in >> Falköpings stadsf. Would you assume that she was in a hospital there? >> I didn't see her in the death records for that parish. > > I'm not sure how it worked, but perhaps for people who died at the > hospital, only the home parish was notified. > > And since she died of cancer, it was probably at the hospital. > > // Bo Johansson > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message

Annette Bowen wrote 2014-05-31 01:19: > > Marriage no. 2 - Alfred Johansson and Kristina Andersdotter - what > does the 1st column on the right side say? --- Bruden enligt läkarbetyg hinderslös = the bride according to physician's certificate free to marry. > > Does the last column say they were married in Slöta? --- Yes, the marriage is also recorded, but without banns dates, in Slöta EI:2 (1890-1904) Image 8 (AID: v55655.b8, NAD: SE/GLA/13491). // Bo Johansson

Annette Bowen wrote 2014-05-31 05:53: > > Where did Alfred Johansson and his wife go? They are number 507 in > the moving out records. It looks to me like it says H. Berghem 4. I > looked for them in the moving in records for Berghem & Hajoms (back of > same book) and in Bergum but did not find them. I didn't know where > else to look. It seems they stayed in Jönköping (or came back), Swedish Census 1900: Johansson, Alfred Tändsticksfabriksarbetare b. 1860 in Karleby (Skaraborgs län, Västergötland) Man, married, father Andersdotter, Kristina b. 1844 in Grolanda (Skaraborgs län, Västergötland) h. Woman, married, mother Lägenheter å Bymarken Jönköpings västra (Jönköpings län, Småland) ----------------------------------- Later it seems they had moved to Slöta, Swedish Death Index 1901-2009: 18440803 Johansson f. Andersdotter, Kristina Fattighuset Dead 5/14/1907. Registered in Slöta (Skaraborgs län, Västergötland). Born 8/3/1844 in Grolanda (Skaraborgs län, Västergötland). Married woman (8/20/1893). Comments: Död i Falköping -------------- // Bo Johansson

Bo Johansson wrote 2014-05-31 11:53: > > In Swedish census 1900 he is with his parents in Karlstad: > > Skogström, Erik Johan 1841 Father > Jonsson, Kristina 1844 Mother > - Hilma Kristina 1866 Child > - Anna Matilda 1876 Child > - Elin Maria 1879 Child > - Gustaf 1884 Child > > Gustaf > b. 1884 in Grava (Värmlands län, Värmland) > b. [child of both?] > Boy, child > > Staden 127 > Karlstads stadsförs (Värmlands län, Värmland) > -------------------------------------- They are found at "Staden 127" in Karlstad stadsförsamling AIIa:2 (1901-1905) Image 560 / page 495 (AID: v173719.b560.s495, NAD: SE/VA/13275). Gustaf has a remark about certificate for military service 14 Feb 1902, and has "stam." (stamanställd = employed soldier) in the conscription column. In the next volume he still has "stam" in the conscription column, but also occupation bookkeeper and a remark "korporal i reserven" (Corporal in the Army Reserve), so he must have been discharged as employed soldier during this period, and before he moved to Göteborgs Domkyrko 1910-12-09. So one can assume he was employed as soldier 1902-1907, and was promoted to Corporal during that time. And since he was recorded with his parents in Karlstad, he presumably served in Värmlands Regemente in Karlstad. // Bo Johansson

[email protected] wrote 2014-05-31 02:30: > > I am following the Erik Johan Skogstrom family at Grava AI:19 > (1866-1870) Bild 297 / sid 294 (AID: v11302.b297.s294, NAD: SE/VA/13155) > and note that 20/7 1868 Erik Johan was sentenced to one year > straffarbete and 10 years loss of civic confidence (förlust af > medborgerlig förtroende för förfalskningsbrott) for falsifying something. > In the record quoted there are 2 words I cannot read which come after > "förfalskning" in the first line. It would be great to know where he > was working when this happened and maybe they relate to the place. --- "dömd till", so it didn't tell what he falsified/counterfeited. > > The pastor was so thrilled with this story, he repeated it in the > next book: Grava AI:20 (1871-1875) Bild 350 / sid 345 (AID: > v11303.b350.s345, NAD: SE/VA/13155), but there are no new details > except the number "350" under Moved out. But Erik Johan doesn't show > up on page 350 of the HFL or the moving-out book or the missing > person book. He seems to stay put with his family in Norra Skived. --- It had to be repeated at least until the loss of confidence was over. Could "350" be the page in the next volume? And an error for 250... > > The next pastor tells the story again at Grava AI:22 (1876-1880) > Bild 254 / sid 250 (AID: v11305.b254.s250, NAD: SE/VA/13155) and > this time he gives the number 233 under moving out (no year). > Cannot find anything anywhere at 233. --- PAge 233 in next volums, in the came from column is 345, which was the page in the previous volume. > > And finally, the pastor at Grava AI:24 (1881-1885) Bild 238 / > sid 233 (AID: v11307.b238.s233, NAD: SE/VA/13155) gives a > much shorter story, but interestingly says "Dömd 68 20/7> _ sc (?) G.B.." I thought this might mean Gillberga or Göteborg, > but I find no prison reports for Skogstrom in either place. --- "se G.B." ("se gamla boken" = see the previous volume). Perhaps it is less important now, when he has civic confidence again. > > I would really appreciate any help with my 4 questions: > 1) can anyone please read the two words I cannot decipher > in Grava AI:19 (1866-1870) Bild 297 / sid 294, --- Se above. 2) can anyone think of a way to see if Erik Johan Skogstrom > got a prison record somewhere, --- There are prison archives for Karlstad ("Fångvårdsanstalten i Karlstad") > 3) what does "loss of civic confidence" actually mean for a person, > was he barred from working for the community or did people stop > speaking to him and --- Not eligible for government employment at any level, not able to take oath, not allowed to vote, and other stuff... > 4) does straffarbete mean "hard labor" in a prison or some sort of > public service he had to perform. --- Prison labor. > > Of course, if there is any way to find out what he actually did, > that would be great! Thank you for your consideration. --- Perhaps there are details in the prison records? And there are court records, unfortunately not on-line. // Bo Johansson

The death record for Alfred Johansson, no. 13, says he committed suicide, I think. What else does it say in the cause of death field? Gunshot wound something? I couldn't read enough letters to figure it out in Google translate. Thank you. Annette

The death record for Kristina Andersdotter, no. 13, says she died in Falköpings stadsf. Would you assume that she was in a hospital there? I didn't see her in the death records for that parish. Annette

[email protected] wrote 2014-05-31 02:27: > > This time, I am studying the Gustaf Skogström family at Göteborgs > Domkyrkoförsamling AIIa:44 (1913-1927) Bild 46 / sid 642 (AID: > v82267.b46.s642, NAD: SE/GLA/13180). It says he is a bookkeeper but > then adds 8/453. Can anyone help me with what does that mean? --- I SUSPECT it is the address, but I don't know. > > On the next line, his wife Adelina has a 4.22,23....what do the > numbers refer to? Are they codes for some sort of profession? --- I don't know, but I notice that most do not have numbers like that, there is usually only one set of numbers per family. > > Further to the right, under military duty for Gustaf, it says > "v stamamt" (?) which must have taken place when they moved to Wasa. --- "v stamamt" ("varit stamanställd" = had been employed as soldier), that is not just a conscript. > > I find them in Wasa at Göteborgs Vasa AIIa:13 (1913-1929) Bild 80 > / sid 2476 (AID: v82581.b80.s2476, NAD: SE/GLA/15475), second family > and here Gustaf is a bookkkeeper 15:259. What are the numbers? They > don't seem to refer to another book number 15. --- I SUSPECT it is the address, but I don't know. > > Here, his military duty is again "v stamaust" (?) to Engelbrekt, > Stockholm 3 May 1915. > > In Engelbrekt, I find them in the inflyttningsbok (Engelbrekt BI:10 > (1915-1915) Bild 2890 / sid 285 (AID: v227264.b2890.s285, NAD: > SE/SSA/6003)) but there is no information on Gustaf's military duty. --- There is no column for military satus, so no-one on the page has such information. > > > Also there are no Husförhörslängd or församlings books at all for > Engelbrekt. If I proceed to Stockholms stad, I find only the choice > of Stockholms Militärkompani (which covers only 1835-1875), > Generalmönsterrullor (in which I have never been able to find a > single person) or the rannsackningsfängelse (several reads through > the Ss there yielded nothing and I don't think he was in prison). > So what has happened to all the HFL church query books for Stockholm > in the early 1900s? --- For Stockholm city the HFL system more or less broke down, so 1878 to 1926 they had instead the roteman records. The roteman archives are available (but not yet complete) online at http://www2.ssa.stockholm.se/Rotemannen2012/Search.aspx Your people can be found 1915-1916: Skogström, Gustaf 1884-07-22 Skogström /Henriksson/, Adelina 1885-09-03 Skogström, Margit Kristina 1913-11-30 Name:Gustaf Skogström Title: Bokhållare Birth: 1884-07-22 (Grava), Värmlands län Status: Gift, Sammanboende med barn [married, cohabiting with child(ren)] Street address: Grefturegatan 39 Property: Hedenbacken mindre, 9 Littera: 6.2 Parish: Hedvig Eleonora "Rote" and district: 10 (Östermalm) Moved in 1915-12-22 from rote 28 Moved out 1916-10-23 to rote 24 Military information: 433-50-07, f st [conscript number 433 50/07, former employed] Tax registration: new from Göteborgs Vasa -------------- The military information means he was conscript number 433 of area 50 year 1907. And this should mean he was discharged as employed soldier in 1907 and then became a conscript. If he had not already been a soldier one would expect him to become a conscript at age 21 in 1905. Then in 1923-1925: Skogström, Gustaf 1884-07-22 Skogström /F.Henrikson/, Adelina 1885-09-03 Skogström, Margit Kristina 1913-11-30 Skogström, Åke Gösta 1917-03-02 Skogström, Inga Maria 1921-01-11 Name: Gustaf Skogström Title: Bokhållare Birth: 1884-07-22 (Grava), Värmlands län Status: Gift, Sammanboende med barn Street address: Ringvägen 10 Street address: Hornsgatan 104 Property: Tapeten, 2 Littera: B 2 Parish: Maria "Rote" and district: 31 (Södermalm) Moved in 1923-11-01 from rote 24 > > I would like to follow this family after the birth of their third > child in 1921, whom I can find in birth books (but find no HFLs), > but really I would like to know what military duty Gustaf Skogström > did and when and where. How can one find this out? --- Trace him backwards from Göteborgs Domkyrko in 1913, or forwards from birth, and you will see when he was employed as soldier. In Swedish census 1900 he is with his parents in Karlstad: Skogström, Erik Johan 1841 Father Jonsson, Kristina 1844 Mother - Hilma Kristina 1866 Child - Anna Matilda 1876 Child - Elin Maria 1879 Child - Gustaf 1884 Child Gustaf b. 1884 in Grava (Värmlands län, Värmland) b. [child of both?] Boy, child Staden 127 Karlstads stadsförs (Värmlands län, Värmland) -------------------------------------- > > Is there a way to translate a few numbers under "värnplikt" to the > Generalmönsterrullor? --- No, the conscripts were not registered in the general muster rolls. Read about military matters at Hans Högman's site http://hhogman.se/swegen.htm Area 50 was "Karlstad Östra", so one can suspect he lived in Värmland in 1907 when he became a conscript, and had been employed at Värmlands Regemente. But ArkivDigital has records only up to 1884 for the regiment. > > Thank you again. I have only access to ArkivDigital, but I thought > that it was supposed to yield military information. --- Not about conscription, and not 20th century military records. // Bo Johansson

Bo, I found where they moved. Jönköpings Sofia AIIa:11 (1897-1911) Image 51 / page 3766 (AID: v170922.b51.s3766, NAD: SE/VALA/00171) It was Berghem but a place in Jönköpings vestra, not a parish name. Too many similar names, but my problem is solved! Thanks so much for your help. Annette On 5/31/14, Annette Bowen <[email protected]> wrote: > Thank you, Bo. I found them in Slöta with death dates for both. > Since they had no children, this branch is complete as soon as I look > up the death records. > > Slöta AII:1 (1895-1927) Image 800 / page 70 (AID: v83195.b800.s70, > NAD: SE/GLA/13491) > > Annette > > On 5/31/14, Bo Johansson <[email protected]> wrote: >> Annette Bowen wrote 2014-05-31 05:53: >> > >> > Where did Alfred Johansson and his wife go? They are number 507 in >>> the moving out records. It looks to me like it says H. Berghem 4. I >>> looked for them in the moving in records for Berghem & Hajoms (back of >>> same book) and in Bergum but did not find them. I didn't know where >>> else to look. >> >> It seems they stayed in Jönköping (or came back), Swedish Census 1900: >> >> Johansson, Alfred >> Tändsticksfabriksarbetare >> b. 1860 in Karleby (Skaraborgs län, Västergötland) >> Man, married, father >> >> Andersdotter, Kristina >> b. 1844 in Grolanda (Skaraborgs län, Västergötland) >> h. >> Woman, married, mother >> >> Lägenheter å Bymarken >> Jönköpings västra (Jönköpings län, Småland) >> ----------------------------------- >> >> >> Later it seems they had moved to Slöta, Swedish Death Index 1901-2009: >> >> 18440803 >> Johansson f. Andersdotter, Kristina >> Fattighuset >> Dead 5/14/1907. >> >> Registered in Slöta (Skaraborgs län, Västergötland). >> >> Born 8/3/1844 in Grolanda (Skaraborgs län, Västergötland). >> >> Married woman (8/20/1893). >> >> Comments: Död i Falköping >> -------------- >> >> >> // Bo Johansson >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes >> in the subject and the body of the message >> >

Thank you...that is great information. Thank you for all the time you take to help all of us with our questions. Nina -----Original Message----- From: Bo Johansson <[email protected]> To: sweden <[email protected]> Sent: Sat, May 31, 2014 3:28 am Subject: Re: [SWEDEN] military duty? Bo Johansson wrote 2014-05-31 11:53: > > In Swedish census 1900 he is with his parents in Karlstad: > > Skogström, Erik Johan 1841 Father > Jonsson, Kristina 1844 Mother > - Hilma Kristina 1866 Child > - Anna Matilda 1876 Child > - Elin Maria 1879 Child > - Gustaf 1884 Child > > Gustaf > b. 1884 in Grava (Värmlands län, Värmland) > b. [child of both?] > Boy, child > > Staden 127 > Karlstads stadsförs (Värmlands län, Värmland) > -------------------------------------- They are found at "Staden 127" in Karlstad stadsförsamling AIIa:2 (1901-1905) Image 560 / page 495 (AID: v173719.b560.s495, NAD: SE/VA/13275). Gustaf has a remark about certificate for military service 14 Feb 1902, and has "stam." (stamanställd = employed soldier) in the conscription column. In the next volume he still has "stam" in the conscription column, but also occupation bookkeeper and a remark "korporal i reserven" (Corporal in the Army Reserve), so he must have been discharged as employed soldier during this period, and before he moved to Göteborgs Domkyrko 1910-12-09. So one can assume he was employed as soldier 1902-1907, and was promoted to Corporal during that time. And since he was recorded with his parents in Karlstad, he presumably served in Värmlands Regemente in Karlstad. // Bo Johansson ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Wow,, Bo, thank you for all that information. That helps enormously. You should write a book because the kind of information you and colleagues give us here just cannot be found anywhere else. My ability to read the old Swedish has improved a lot just by following your "translations" for everyone. It is astounding to find out this family lived at Ringvagen 10 ...when I lived in Stockholm in the 80s, I lived at Ringvagen 88 and my Skogstrom cousins around the corner!! Thank you sooo much, Nina -----Original Message----- From: Bo Johansson <[email protected]> To: sweden <[email protected]> Sent: Sat, May 31, 2014 2:57 am Subject: Re: [SWEDEN] military duty? [email protected] wrote 2014-05-31 02:27: > > This time, I am studying the Gustaf Skogström family at Göteborgs > Domkyrkoförsamling AIIa:44 (1913-1927) Bild 46 / sid 642 (AID: > v82267.b46.s642, NAD: SE/GLA/13180). It says he is a bookkeeper but > then adds 8/453. Can anyone help me with what does that mean? --- I SUSPECT it is the address, but I don't know. > > On the next line, his wife Adelina has a 4.22,23....what do the > numbers refer to? Are they codes for some sort of profession? --- I don't know, but I notice that most do not have numbers like that, there is usually only one set of numbers per family. > > Further to the right, under military duty for Gustaf, it says > "v stamamt" (?) which must have taken place when they moved to Wasa. --- "v stamamt" ("varit stamanställd" = had been employed as soldier), that is not just a conscript. > > I find them in Wasa at Göteborgs Vasa AIIa:13 (1913-1929) Bild 80 > / sid 2476 (AID: v82581.b80.s2476, NAD: SE/GLA/15475), second family > and here Gustaf is a bookkkeeper 15:259. What are the numbers? They > don't seem to refer to another book number 15. --- I SUSPECT it is the address, but I don't know. > > Here, his military duty is again "v stamaust" (?) to Engelbrekt, > Stockholm 3 May 1915. > > In Engelbrekt, I find them in the inflyttningsbok (Engelbrekt BI:10 > (1915-1915) Bild 2890 / sid 285 (AID: v227264.b2890.s285, NAD: > SE/SSA/6003)) but there is no information on Gustaf's military duty. --- There is no column for military satus, so no-one on the page has such information. > > > Also there are no Husförhörslängd or församlings books at all for > Engelbrekt. If I proceed to Stockholms stad, I find only the choice > of Stockholms Militärkompani (which covers only 1835-1875), > Generalmönsterrullor (in which I have never been able to find a > single person) or the rannsackningsfängelse (several reads through > the Ss there yielded nothing and I don't think he was in prison). > So what has happened to all the HFL church query books for Stockholm > in the early 1900s? --- For Stockholm city the HFL system more or less broke down, so 1878 to 1926 they had instead the roteman records. The roteman archives are available (but not yet complete) online at http://www2.ssa.stockholm.se/Rotemannen2012/Search.aspx Your people can be found 1915-1916: Skogström, Gustaf 1884-07-22 Skogström /Henriksson/, Adelina 1885-09-03 Skogström, Margit Kristina 1913-11-30 Name:Gustaf Skogström Title: Bokhållare Birth: 1884-07-22 (Grava), Värmlands län Status: Gift, Sammanboende med barn [married, cohabiting with child(ren)] Street address: Grefturegatan 39 Property: Hedenbacken mindre, 9 Littera: 6.2 Parish: Hedvig Eleonora "Rote" and district: 10 (Östermalm) Moved in 1915-12-22 from rote 28 Moved out 1916-10-23 to rote 24 Military information: 433-50-07, f st [conscript number 433 50/07, former employed] Tax registration: new from Göteborgs Vasa -------------- The military information means he was conscript number 433 of area 50 year 1907. And this should mean he was discharged as employed soldier in 1907 and then became a conscript. If he had not already been a soldier one would expect him to become a conscript at age 21 in 1905. Then in 1923-1925: Skogström, Gustaf 1884-07-22 Skogström /F.Henrikson/, Adelina 1885-09-03 Skogström, Margit Kristina 1913-11-30 Skogström, Åke Gösta 1917-03-02 Skogström, Inga Maria 1921-01-11 Name: Gustaf Skogström Title: Bokhållare Birth: 1884-07-22 (Grava), Värmlands län Status: Gift, Sammanboende med barn Street address: Ringvägen 10 Street address: Hornsgatan 104 Property: Tapeten, 2 Littera: B 2 Parish: Maria "Rote" and district: 31 (Södermalm) Moved in 1923-11-01 from rote 24 > > I would like to follow this family after the birth of their third > child in 1921, whom I can find in birth books (but find no HFLs), > but really I would like to know what military duty Gustaf Skogström > did and when and where. How can one find this out? --- Trace him backwards from Göteborgs Domkyrko in 1913, or forwards from birth, and you will see when he was employed as soldier. In Swedish census 1900 he is with his parents in Karlstad: Skogström, Erik Johan 1841 Father Jonsson, Kristina 1844 Mother - Hilma Kristina 1866 Child - Anna Matilda 1876 Child - Elin Maria 1879 Child - Gustaf 1884 Child Gustaf b. 1884 in Grava (Värmlands län, Värmland) b. [child of both?] Boy, child Staden 127 Karlstads stadsförs (Värmlands län, Värmland) -------------------------------------- > > Is there a way to translate a few numbers under "värnplikt" to the > Generalmönsterrullor? --- No, the conscripts were not registered in the general muster rolls. Read about military matters at Hans Högman's site http://hhogman.se/swegen.htm Area 50 was "Karlstad Östra", so one can suspect he lived in Värmland in 1907 when he became a conscript, and had been employed at Värmlands Regemente. But ArkivDigital has records only up to 1884 for the regiment. > > Thank you again. I have only access to ArkivDigital, but I thought > that it was supposed to yield military information. --- Not about conscription, and not 20th century military records. // Bo Johansson ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thank you, Bo. I found them in Slöta with death dates for both. Since they had no children, this branch is complete as soon as I look up the death records. Slöta AII:1 (1895-1927) Image 800 / page 70 (AID: v83195.b800.s70, NAD: SE/GLA/13491) Annette On 5/31/14, Bo Johansson <[email protected]> wrote: > Annette Bowen wrote 2014-05-31 05:53: > > > > Where did Alfred Johansson and his wife go? They are number 507 in >> the moving out records. It looks to me like it says H. Berghem 4. I >> looked for them in the moving in records for Berghem & Hajoms (back of >> same book) and in Bergum but did not find them. I didn't know where >> else to look. > > It seems they stayed in Jönköping (or came back), Swedish Census 1900: > > Johansson, Alfred > Tändsticksfabriksarbetare > b. 1860 in Karleby (Skaraborgs län, Västergötland) > Man, married, father > > Andersdotter, Kristina > b. 1844 in Grolanda (Skaraborgs län, Västergötland) > h. > Woman, married, mother > > Lägenheter å Bymarken > Jönköpings västra (Jönköpings län, Småland) > ----------------------------------- > > > Later it seems they had moved to Slöta, Swedish Death Index 1901-2009: > > 18440803 > Johansson f. Andersdotter, Kristina > Fattighuset > Dead 5/14/1907. > > Registered in Slöta (Skaraborgs län, Västergötland). > > Born 8/3/1844 in Grolanda (Skaraborgs län, Västergötland). > > Married woman (8/20/1893). > > Comments: Död i Falköping > -------------- > > > // Bo Johansson > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message >

Thank you, Bo. My great-grandfather was named Alfred, and this is so far the only Alfred I have found among his relatives. The parents of these Alfreds were siblings, brother and sister married brother & sister. Annette On 5/31/14, Bo Johansson <[email protected]> wrote: > Annette Bowen wrote 2014-05-31 01:19: > > >> Marriage no. 2 - Alfred Johansson and Kristina Andersdotter - what >> does the 1st column on the right side say? > > --- Bruden enligt läkarbetyg hinderslös = the bride according to > physician's certificate free to marry. > > > >> Does the last column say they were married in Slöta? > > --- Yes, the marriage is also recorded, but without banns dates, in > Slöta EI:2 (1890-1904) Image 8 (AID: v55655.b8, NAD: SE/GLA/13491). > > // Bo Johansson > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message

Where did Alfred Johansson and his wife go? They are number 507 in the moving out records. It looks to me like it says H. Berghem 4. I looked for them in the moving in records for Berghem & Hajoms (back of same book) and in Bergum but did not find them. I didn't know where else to look. Thank you. Annette

Hi, I am following the Erik Johan Skogstrom family at Grava AI:19 (1866-1870) Bild 297 / sid 294 (AID: v11302.b297.s294, NAD: SE/VA/13155) and note that 20/7 1868 Erik Johan was sentenced to one year straffarbete and 10 years loss of civic confidence (förlust af medborgerlig förtroende för förfalskningsbrott) for falsifying something. In the record quoted there are 2 words I cannot read which come after "förfalskning" in the first line. It would be great to know where he was working when this happened and maybe they relate to the place. The pastor was so thrilled with this story, he repeated it in the next book: Grava AI:20 (1871-1875) Bild 350 / sid 345 (AID: v11303.b350.s345, NAD: SE/VA/13155), but there are no new details except the number "350" under Moved out. But Erik Johan doesn't show up on page 350 of the HFL or the moving-out book or the missing person book. He seems to stay put with his family in Norra Skived. The next pastor tells the story again at Grava AI:22 (1876-1880) Bild 254 / sid 250 (AID: v11305.b254.s250, NAD: SE/VA/13155) and this time he gives the number 233 under moving out (no year). Cannot find anything anywhere at 233. And finally, the pastor at Grava AI:24 (1881-1885) Bild 238 / sid 233 (AID: v11307.b238.s233, NAD: SE/VA/13155) gives a much shorter story, but interestingly says "Dömd 68 20/7 _ sc (?) G.B.." I thought this might mean Gillberga or Göteborg, but I find no prison reports for Skogstrom in either place. I would really appreciate any help with my 4 questions: 1) can anyone please read the two words I cannot decipher in Grava AI:19 (1866-1870) Bild 297 / sid 294, 2) can anyone think of a way to see if Erik Johan Skogstrom got a prison record somewhere, 3) what does "loss of civic confidence" actually mean for a person, was he barred from working for the community or did people stop speaking to him and 4) does straffarbete mean "hard labor" in a prison or some sort of public service he had to perform. Of course, if there is any way to find out what he actually did, that would be great! Thank you for your consideration. Best regards, Nina

Thanks again for all your help. This time, I am studying the Gustaf Skogström family at Göteborgs Domkyrkoförsamling AIIa:44 (1913-1927) Bild 46 / sid 642 (AID: v82267.b46.s642, NAD: SE/GLA/13180). It says he is a bookkeeper but then adds 8/453. Can anyone help me with what does that mean? On the next line, his wife Adelina has a 4.22,23....what do the numbers refer to? Are they codes for some sort of profession? Further to the right, under military duty for Gustaf, it says "v stamamt" (?) which must have taken place when they moved to Wasa. I find them in Wasa at Göteborgs Vasa AIIa:13 (1913-1929) Bild 80 / sid 2476 (AID: v82581.b80.s2476, NAD: SE/GLA/15475), second family and here Gustaf is a bookkkeeper 15:259. What are the numbers? They don't seem to refer to another book number 15. Here, his military duty is again "v stamaust" (?) to Engelbrekt, Stockholm 3 May 1915. In Engelbrekt, I find them in the inflyttningsbok (Engelbrekt BI:10 (1915-1915) Bild 2890 / sid 285 (AID: v227264.b2890.s285, NAD: SE/SSA/6003)) but there is no information on Gustaf's military duty. Also there are no Husförhörslängd or församlings books at all for Engelbrekt. If I proceed to Stockholms stad, I find only the choice of Stockholms Militärkompani (which covers only 1835-1875), Generalmönsterrullor (in which I have never been able to find a single person) or the rannsackningsfängelse (several reads through the Ss there yielded nothing and I don't think he was in prison). So what has happened to all the HFL church query books for Stockholm in the early 1900s? I would like to follow this family after the birth of their third child in 1921, whom I can find in birth books (but find no HFLs), but really I would like to know what military duty Gustaf Skogström did and when and where. How can one find this out? Is there a way to translate a few numbers under "värnplikt" to the Generalmönsterrullor? Thank you again. I have only access to ArkivDigital, but I thought that it was supposed to yield military information. Best regards, Nina

Marriage no. 2 - Alfred Johansson and Kristina Andersdotter - what does the 1st column on the right side say? Does the last column say they were married in Slöta? This makes me wonder how they got together. She was 16 years older then the groom and they lived in different parishes. Thank you. Annette