This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Williams,Sweat Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/FdQBAEB/281.1.2 Message Board Post: Sande I would greatly appreciate getting that book about the Sweat family. My ggreatgrandmother was Martha Sweat she lived in the early 1800s she married Berry H. Williams. I am really up against a brick wall about this family. They lived in Georgia but I believe they migrated from South Carolina.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Sweat, Williams, Gideon, Sanders Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/FdQBAEB/288.1.1.3 Message Board Post: I am looking for information about Martha Sweat. She lived around 1830. She married Berry H. Williams. They lived in Bulloch County,Georgia. And may have lived in South Carolina earlier.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/FdQBAEB/288.1.1.1.1.1.1.2.1.1.1 Message Board Post: You are so right about how the Indians were mis-treated. I live in Arkansas, and it will be along time before I can afford a trip to Georgia to do the research I need to do. I do have family in Georgia, but am not in contact with any of them. My dad passed away in 1975 and we have not heard from his side of the family since. I have tried to find them, but with the last name of Johnson and them living in or around the Atlanta area, well it is just impossible to locate them. (We are caucasion, by the way) I would try to find their marriage certificate, but would not even know what year to begin looking for it. What I posted earlier about their background is, literally, all I know. Thank you for the offer of help though. Pam ( you may email me dirrectly at co44ee@hotmail.com)

All Sweat researchers: Has anyone mentioned Melungeon. I recall an article on the Melungeon which referenced a Sweat migration. I can't find the paper right now. I have always thought the Sweat lineage was tied to the Melungeon, a tri-racial group of unknown origin. I suspicion there is some mixed blood in my ancestry and focused on the Melungeon connection. Charity Sweat is my g-grandmother and the daughter of Lydia Miller who was married to Nathan F. Sweat. However; Charity is not the daughter of Nathan so for the time being my Sweat research is on hold............JLJ ----- Original Message ----- From: <lovechoc@bellsouth.net> To: <SWEAT-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, April 25, 2002 6:17 PM Subject: [SWEAT] Re: Sweat Indian to Christy or anyone > This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. > > Classification: Query > > Message Board URL: > > http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/FdQBAEB/288.1.1.1.1.1.2.2 > > Message Board Post: > > oh yea, let me all you guys what i had read in the indian history books,,""i read everything i can about indian history to try and understand what has happen in the past with the indians""..therefore,, in reading i read that the indians also had a religoius side which we all know, but they had celerbrations--with the family or friends or the tribe to go into what they called """THE SWEAT HOUSE""", which meant they were in the sweat house to sweat out all the bad things and bring in the good things--meaning to get ride of the evil by sweating it out of our bodies and making our bodies purfied which is true even today..people go to saunas to clean their bodies out of the bad and drink alot of water..which is good for the bodies...but sometimes i wonder if maybe this is how the indians came up with this last name...SWEAT...from the religious side...what do you think???christy > > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > >

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/FdQBAEB/288.1.1.1.1.1.1.2.1.1 Message Board Post: HEY PAM, YOU ARE RIGHT THEY DID DENY THEIR INDIAN HERITAGE, BECAUSE THEY WERE LOOKED DOWN ON..MY GRANDMOTHER TOLD ME AT HER AGE 90 YEARS OLD..SHE BEGAN TO CRY A MORNFULL CRY AND SHE CRIED AND I ASK "WHAT IS WRONG, WHY ARE YOU CRYING?" SHE SAID "ALL MY LIFE WE WERE LOOKED DOWN ON AS I GREW UP, ALL MY BROTHERS AND SISTERS, LIKE UNDERLYNS, BECAUSE WE WERE HALF INDIAN." THE WORD UNDERLYNS MEANS==TO LOOK DOWN ON AS IF YOU ARE NO ONE.BUT TO SEE MY PRECIOUS SWEET GRANDMOTHER AT AGE 90 YEARS OLD CRYING LIKE THIS REALLY HURT ME..THEY REALLY DID GO THROUGH ALOT OF HURT...JUST FOR BEING AN INDIAN....TO ME THE INDIANS WAS THE MOST MISTREATED....THEY TOOK OVER THEIR WHOLE COUNTRY!!!!AND NEVER LET THEM HAVE ANY RIGHTS, NONE!!!GUESS WHO IS THE POOREST CULTURE???YOU GUESSED IT ""THE INDIANS""...HOW SO??THE GOVERMENT DID GIVE THEM SOME LAND..BUT NOT MUCH COMPARED TO THE WHOLE COUNTRY THE UNITED STATES WAS THEIRS!!!!!!!!!NOW LOOK...PEOPLE COMPLAIN ABOUT HAVING MORE GIVEN TO THEM. ANYWAY, THIS! IS REALLY WRONG... MY HEART GOES OUT TO THE INDIANS...BECAUSE ALSO WE ARE INDIAN TOO..... IT REALLY HURT ME TO SEE MY GRANDMOTHER CRY ABOUT THIS!!!!!!! I HAVE NEVER FORGOTTON THE HURT... ****MY DREAM IS TO FIND OUT THE UNTOLD STORIES OF OUR HISTORYS AND TO MARRY A FULL-BLOODED INDIAN (CHEROKEE) TO CONTINUE THIS HERITAGE!!!**** PAM, I HAVE COME ACROSS THE SAME THING WITH THEM BEING LISTED AS WHITES TOO. WHAT HAPPEN IS WHAT YOU KNOW...THEY DID NOT SIGN UP FOR THE INDIAN NAMES...THEY WERE AFRAID.. WHERE DO YOU LIVE? IS IT IN GA. CLOSE TO THE ARCHIVES? WELL, ANYWAY I CAN HELP, I SURE WILL. YOUR FRIEND, CHRISTY

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/FdQBAEB/288.1.1.1.1.1.2.2.1 Message Board Post: That may be a possibility on one certain line of Sweats. Sweat is a name that has come from England and Germany, long before any settlers came to these lands. I beleive that they may have taken last names just as the African slaves did. Some Indians were kept as slaves by the white man also and then there were some that "adopted" children or had affairs but took the children in. This is very interesting and I hope that everyone involved in this line continues to research all the possibilities. Try to get some documentation on what you find and cite the references here where you found the info.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/FdQBAEB/288.1.1.1.1.1.1.2.1 Message Board Post: The only reason I know of my Indian heritage is that my dad told me his mom was a full blood Cherokee. His birth certificate states her race as white, which tells me that she denied her heritage. Someone once searched the Dawes rolls for her surname and could not find it. I am limited in my research because I cannot afford to travel. But thank you for the hint. Pam

Christy - I've read about the possibility of the Sweats having some Indian connections. If you study the history of what it took for our Sweat ancestors to travel from the homeland to where they established a homestead here, there's a great possibility that we have some Indian blood. It's all a part of being Southern. It's a most rich heritage. I hope you enjoy what your ancestors wanted to leave behind for you as much as we do. And I hope you take the time to read the history and explore the riches of our past. It's not always pretty, but if you understand the times they lived in, you'll just be amazed. --- lovechoc@bellsouth.net wrote: > This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to > this mailing list. > > Classification: Query > > Message Board URL: > > http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/FdQBAEB/288.1.1.1.1.1.2.2 > > Message Board Post: > > oh yea, let me all you guys what i had read in the > indian history books,,""i read everything i can > about indian history to try and understand what has > happen in the past with the indians""..therefore,, > in reading i read that the indians also had a > religoius side which we all know, but they had > celerbrations--with the family or friends or the > tribe to go into what they called """THE SWEAT > HOUSE""", which meant they were in the sweat house > to sweat out all the bad things and bring in the > good things--meaning to get ride of the evil by > sweating it out of our bodies and making our bodies > purfied which is true even today..people go to > saunas to clean their bodies out of the bad and > drink alot of water..which is good for the > bodies...but sometimes i wonder if maybe this is how > the indians came up with this last > name...SWEAT...from the religious side...what do you > think???christy > > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion > online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Games - play chess, backgammon, pool and more http://games.yahoo.com/

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/FdQBAEB/288.1.1.1.1.1.2.2 Message Board Post: oh yea, let me all you guys what i had read in the indian history books,,""i read everything i can about indian history to try and understand what has happen in the past with the indians""..therefore,, in reading i read that the indians also had a religoius side which we all know, but they had celerbrations--with the family or friends or the tribe to go into what they called """THE SWEAT HOUSE""", which meant they were in the sweat house to sweat out all the bad things and bring in the good things--meaning to get ride of the evil by sweating it out of our bodies and making our bodies purfied which is true even today..people go to saunas to clean their bodies out of the bad and drink alot of water..which is good for the bodies...but sometimes i wonder if maybe this is how the indians came up with this last name...SWEAT...from the religious side...what do you think???christy

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/FdQBAEB/286.1 Message Board Post: call the county they lived in when they were married...give the dates when they were married and they have a listing on who everyone married...for women and men...if it is close to you go to the state archives and all this information will be there waiting for you...have fun. christy

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/FdQBAEB/288.1.1.1.1.1.2.1 Message Board Post: JESSE SWEAT married NANCY PARR, they were both from chesterfield, SC, they both had 4 children each from other marriages and then after they married they moved to south ga. in 1860, and had 5 more children together....and one of them was my greatgrandfather FERMAN SWEAT, I have heard different stories about this one goes like this::::::::My grandmother said "ferman was an orphan child and a full blooded cherokee indian" that he was taken in by the Sweat Family because his parents were killed..he was born in 1864 during the Civil War...when war was on..therefore people got killed and there the children were with no family or homes and the soldiers took kids like this home to live with them on the farm....but another story says alot of this is true but he loved his mother so much""his true mother""which shows on the census "i beleive" was Henreitta they called her "Hannie" that he wanted to be buried beside her when he died and he is, instead of being buried with his family---! wife and children...it is still unsolved but soon i hope to find out alot of answers...if you want i could send you copies via of e-mail of some names and census and affidavids,,,just let me know...christy

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/FdQBAEB/288.1.1.1.1.1.1.2 Message Board Post: you already have the connections if her father was a indian chief, because the indians kept records as well as the federal goverment....in the federal archives they have books for ONLY the indians counted...like in the 1900's i believe it was called ""the Dawggs" book--for the indian census...and there was others with different names, when you go to the archives, which is located in East Point, GA,,,behind the Krystals off of Main Street...they will be glad to help you there in locating any information on your family and of course, the information is free.....sounds good the info..you have ....myself i am still trying to make my connection or proof of the indian connection on paper...but i know i still can...it is just a matter of time...let me know what you find out...christy

----- Original Message ----- From: "l m" <laurae_1998@yahoo.com> To: <SWEAT-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, April 24, 2002 10:17 PM Subject: Re: [SWEAT] Cemeteries in Blackshear or Ware County Georgia > Jeeze Cynthia. Wish I could get around as fast as you > do! What's your home base? > I live in Riverdale Ga just about 5 minutes south of the Atlanta Airport. Went to Eastview cemetery in Atlanta yesterday and one in Forest Park GA. Got some Sweat photos. Today I went to Duncan Creek Cemetery and Hog Mountain Cemetery in and around Lawrenceville, Gwinett County....Got a lot of BUREL Photos there. Then swung over to Gainesville and went to Dawsonville, GA. (Bill Elliot, Nascar Driver's home and also my father's birth place) Got some PERKINS and LOOPER photos there. I'm hoping to get to South Ga tomorrow but I'm looking at a 4 hour drive min. Got directions to Union County South Carolina in case I change my mind by morning. That's only a 3 hour drive. My mother took a weeks vacation so we have until Monday afternoon to travel around. We've cover about 300 miles in two days so far....kinda tired but excited and wired at the same time. Can't wait til we get the film developed. Gonna get it on CD so I can share with all my cousins. Cindy

Does anyone have names and directions (addresses) to any cemeteries in Ware County, Blackshear, Pierce County or any surrounding areas where the Southern line of Sweats lived? I plan on making a trip either tomorrow or Friday. Just wanted some places to visit. Cindy

Courtesy of genweb - while you are in Waycross, ask somebody about how to get here as well... This listing is not quite correct. I know of quite a few Sweat relations who are buried here and are not listed... BEULAH CEMETERY 12 MILES NORTHWEST OF BLACKSHEAR NAME BIRTH DATE DEATH DATE SPOUSE JOHNSON, (infant) 1919 1-21-1919 (father) H.D.JOHNSON BARNARD, Mary 1885 3-27-1920 E.R. BARNARD BOWEN, Wm. Rudolph 1-15-1924 2-15-1924 (father) L.A. BOWEN SWEAT, Merritt Aldine 10-8-1923 6-7-1924 BARNARD, Lonnie 10-11-1868 2-21-1925 McCALL, Maggie Summerlin 9-9-1906 8-21-1925 DAVIS, Hiram Allen 3-22-1859 9-4-1925 Annie F. DIXON SWEAT, J.Q. 11-27-1870 10-23-1925 Rosie RIGGINS HOWARD, Tyson Fitzgerald 10-7-1928 11-27-1928 Clarence L. HOWARD (father) BUNTON, (Mrs.) abt 1904 2-21-1930 W. Harley BUNTON MATTOX, Oveida Jordan 7-26-1912 9-13-1930 L.M. MATTOX SWEAT, Nellie Carter 7-31-1908 10-6-1933 Simon P. SWEAT SWEAT, Nathan 8-24-1879 3-26-1934 O'BRINE, Johnnie 1839 11-20-1935 MIXON, (infant) 5-21-1936 5-24-1936 Porter H. MIXON (father) BARNARD, E.R. 8-16-1882 7-12-1937 ODUM, DUNK "OVER AGE 60" 2-27-1939 TILLMAN, A.M. 6-3-1874 5-24-1939 Katie C. DAVIS, Annie Frances 9-20-1859 6-21-1939 H.A. DAVIS BOWEN, Ella (Mrs.) 3-28-1875 12-4-1940 H.G. BOWEN TILLMAN, Walter Percy 5-21-1870 9-12-1942 Nancy JOHNSON PITTS, Sarah abt. 1862 11-29-1942 PEACOCK, Joseph Daniel 12-25-1875 7-30-1945 Agnes SAPP JORDAN, Virginia Murray 2-20-1882 6-14-1946 T.J. JORDAN SWEAT, Alfed Colquitt 8-16-1868 9-13-1946 Angie DAVIS WESTBERRY, Malachi Causey 4-7-1893 1-13-1948 Kizzie DAVIS MELTON, Leona White 4-29-1885 12-18-1948 Owen MELTON MELTON, Sarah M. 1885 12-20-1948 Ben MELTON BETHUNE, Claude J. 6-17-1894 6-7-1949 Mamie DAVIS SWEAT, Rosa R. abt. 1876 2-11-1952 Quarterman SWEAT DAVIS, Elmira Sumnerlin 8-4-1869 12-21-1952 Joseph DAVIS SWEAT, Alfred Q. 6-5-1893 1029-1953 Mary BENNETT MATTOX, Charles Foster 6-28-1880 4-27-1954 Lula E. SWEAT SWEAT, Etta Summerlin 7-22-1866 10-22-1954 Peyton R. SWEAT DAVIS, Randall James 7-18-1875 7-29-1955 Carrie B. JOHNSON HUTCHINSON, James Monroe 9-7-1874 8-28-1955 Annie SMITH JOHNSON, Ella Little 6-11-1869 8-18-1956 Andrew J. JOHNSON DAVIS, Cassie Mae James 4-30-1887 8-29-1956 Jacob Loye DAVIS DAVIS, Joseph Otto 10-14-1885 11-26-1957 Addie CREWS HAYES, Mattie Davis 3-22-1893 1-9-1958 O. Frank HAYES SWEAT, Wm. Randall 6-5-1886 1-11-1958 Mary Anne PEACOCK NORMAN, Jim G. 2-14-1874 12-18-1958 Cenia DIXON JORDAN, Thomas Leon 7-5-1880 7-14-1959 Eliza MOSES NORMAN, Ceina Dixon 3-14-1872 12-12-1960 James NORMAN SWEAT, Angie Davis 5-4-1875 9-20-1961 Alfred C. SWEAT DAVIS, Carrie Bell Johnson 4-20-1877 12-10-1961 Randall James DAVIS LEWIS, Offie Vernon 11-22-1894 8-28-1963 Elmira TILLMAN DAVIS, Katie Elizabeth 1886 12-20-1963 Colquit Q. DAVIS Peacock BOATRIGHT, Ernest Marion 12-25-1898 11-15-1964 Jessie McCARTHY __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Games - play chess, backgammon, pool and more http://games.yahoo.com/

Jeeze Cynthia. Wish I could get around as fast as you do! What's your home base? In Waycross, there are Sweats in the Kettle Creek Cemetery. It's a big one sort of in town. Don't have directions but you can ask anybody once you get there. There are also some very old Sweat headstones in the Beulah Baptist Church cemetery at the forks of the "herricane" creeks - out toward Alma. James Quarterman, Four Acre, and quite a few more Sweats are buried there. It's a really neat place. I think you might find directions in a Google search. You can find Sweats in "the Kirkland" cemetery but I'm not sure where that is in Pierce County. Hope this helps some. Regards, Laura --- Cynthia Perkins <cynthiaperkins@hotmail.com> wrote: > Does anyone have names and directions (addresses) to > any cemeteries in Ware County, Blackshear, Pierce > County or any surrounding areas where the Southern > line of Sweats lived? > > I plan on making a trip either tomorrow or Friday. > Just wanted some places to visit. > > Cindy > > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion > online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Games - play chess, backgammon, pool and more http://games.yahoo.com/

I don't know if this relates to your search but in Irwin Co.: Children of Aaron Van Buren Yarborough and Flora Ellen Swett are in either the Silas Coleman Cem. or the Ebeneezer Cemetery [these are probably the same] Roscoe D. Aikman and wife Myrtle Aikman Swett are buried in the Ocilla Cemetery in Ocilla, GA. Rebecca A. Swett is buried in Boone Cemetery, east of Ocilla. Hope this helps.....JLJ ---- Original Message ----- From: "Cynthia Perkins" <cynthiaperkins@hotmail.com> To: <SWEAT-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, April 24, 2002 4:53 PM Subject: [SWEAT] Cemeteries in Blackshear or Ware County Georgia > Does anyone have names and directions (addresses) to any cemeteries in Ware County, Blackshear, Pierce County or any surrounding areas where the Southern line of Sweats lived? > > I plan on making a trip either tomorrow or Friday. Just wanted some places to visit. > > Cindy > > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > >

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/FdQBAEB/288.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.2 Message Board Post: What I have on Joseph Thomas Johnson and Easter Katie Sweat: Easter Katie Sweat b. 1890 in Alpharetta , Ga d. before 1957 in Fulton County, Ga full Cherokee m. Joseph Thomas Johnson believed to be Swedish b. 1872 in Lawrenceville, Gwinnett county, Ga d. 1/17/1955 in Fulton County, Ga They had 13 children, I believe all were born in Atlanta, Ga.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/FdQBAEB/288.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1 Message Board Post: Thank you, but they are both buried in Atlanta, at least as far as I know. My dad passed away in 1975, and I really do not know much of his family. I do know that he and all of his 12 siblings were born in Atlanta.

Do you know of a Lebanon Church cemetery? I could use some directions. There's another cemetery in Cumming where I have some relatives buried but I don't know the name.....that's going to be a tuff one. Cindy ----- Original Message ----- From: "l m" <laurae_1998@yahoo.com> To: <SWEAT-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, April 23, 2002 4:20 PM Subject: Re: [SWEAT] Sweat headstones > I'm in Cumming. Let me know where you were planning > on going and I can help you out there. Will send tree > when I'm at home and have a minute. Thanks! > --- Cynthia Perkins <cynthiaperkins@hotmail.com> > wrote: > > Laura, > > > > Any help you can give us would be great. Basically > > I had planned to > > photograph some headstones in Atlanta and in Gwinnet > > County for Burels and > > Sweats. Also Dawsonville and Cumming for Perkins, > > Looper. Was hoping to go > > to Waycross Ga area for more Sweats. Figured I'd > > just take as many pics as > > possible and post them for all to use. There are > > also many civil war > > cemeteries around the Atlanta area that could be > > Saturday outings. > > > > If you would like to send me your tree, I can figure > > out how to work it in. > > We all have small pieces to one great big puzzle. > > If you'd like to > > volunteer to photograph some headstones that would > > be great. No one person > > can do it all. I had even thought of photographing > > some local cemeteries > > and maybe trading with others. > > > > Let me know if you're interested. > > > > Cindy > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "l m" <laurae_1998@yahoo.com> > > To: <SWEAT-L@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Sunday, April 21, 2002 10:14 PM > > Subject: [SWEAT] Sweat headstones > > > > > > > Hi - my mama was a Sweat (and she's still around). > > > Ware County, Georgia. Am interested in the > > headstone > > > project. I know where an old branch is buried - > > in > > > Pierce County, Ga. Four Acre Sweat and the whole > > > bunch. I have many of them on tape but no pics. > > Am a > > > descendant of the William/Nathan branch. Would > > like > > > information about the project and would like to > > try to > > > donate my branch. Grandaddy was Scotch/Irish. > > This > > > could be great! > > > > > > Thanks - Laura > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > > Do You Yahoo!? > > > Yahoo! Games - play chess, backgammon, pool and > > more > > > http://games.yahoo.com/ > > > > > > > > > ============================== > > > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion > > online genealogy records, > > go to: > > > > > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > > > > > > > > > > > ============================== > > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion > > online genealogy records, go to: > > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Games - play chess, backgammon, pool and more > http://games.yahoo.com/ > > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > >