I think you are all full of beans. <g> Pinto are not red. Red beans are red. Pinto are speckled with dry and brown. We called them Pintos, brown beans, or soup beans. Some people call the white, or Navy beans, soup beans too. In S. CA. they were called something else. I think cramberry beans. The Mexicans eat them like crazy. Have you heard of October beans? Are they different from pintos?? I think it is time to move on to another course in this meal. Did any of your people make cheese?? We made cottage cheeze. -eddie