For an example of what you might see in the manuscripts, you can look at my webpage at: http://home.southwind.net/~crowther/Cocke/Draper.htm I also ran across letters which included a paragraph description of each of several early settlers. A real treasure trove! Phil

The following webpage has information on the collection and it states that the microfilm is also available at the following Virginia Locations; http://www.shsw.wisc.edu/military/draper/index.html Virginia: Virginia State Archives (Richmond); Virginia State Library (Richmond); Virginia Polytechnic Institute (Blacksburg); University of Virginia (Charlottesville); Washington and Lee University (Lexington); College of William and Mary (Williamsburg). I imagine that you could get these through interlibrary loan The following site at Rootsweb also has some letters sent to Draper http://www.rootsweb.com/~usgenweb/special/draper/ You also mentioned the calendars and they are available from; Calendars All are available in hard copy from McDowell Publications, 11129 Pleasant Ridge Road, Utica, Ky. 42376, (502) 275-4075, and on microfiche from Chadwyck-Healey. Calendar of the George Rogers Clark Papers (1979). Calendar of the Frontier Wars Papers (1977). Calendar of the Kentucky Papers (1925). Calendar of the Tennessee and King's Mountain Papers (1929). Calendar of the Preston and Virginia Papers (1915). Calendar of the David Shepard Papers (1979) in same volume as Calendar of the Frontier Wars Papers. Calendar of the South Carolina Papers (1979) in same volume as Calendar of the Frontier Wars Papers. Calendar of South Carolina in the Revolution Miscellanies (1979) in same volume as Calendar of the Frontier Wars Papers. Calendar of the Thomas Sumter Papers (1979). Tami Ramsey

You can find out about the Draper collection at familysearch.org then go to family history library catalog then do a author seach (just type in Draper) when it comes up highlight the author, Lyman Copeland Draper, go to view film notes at the top right hand corner. There are about 147 rolls of film in the Draper Collection at the FHC in Salt Lake. You can order in a film to come to the nearest Family History Center for $3.25 for 6 week loan. A Daniels ----- Original Message ----- From: "Edgar A. Howard" <swvaroot@earthlink.net> To: <SW_VA-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, August 23, 2002 4:27 PM Subject: [SW_VA] Draper Collection: Calendar of TN and King's Mtn papers > Volks, > > Anyone heard of the subject docs? These are the well > known Draper Collection. Vol 3, 1929 pub Hist. Society of > Wis. One page mentions Michael Fleenor. That's my > interest. Anyone know where I could get a copy? > -eddie > > > > . . . there was given to me a thorn in the flesh, > the messager of Satan to buffet me, > lest I should be exalted above measure. > - 2 Corinthians 12:7 > > > ==== SW_VA Mailing List ==== > #2 A large database of SURNAMES and the researcher's email address can > be found at http://www.fortunecity.com/millennium/quarrybank/194/swabc.htm > You may have your SURNAMES included by emailing them to FRED @ > <ohhenry@bigfoot.com> and NOT to the sysop/owner. >

Eddie, I believe if you go to the Google search engine, you will get over 1,000 hits on the Draper Manuscripts. I know at one time I found a site with a search engine on those manuscripts, but I have lost that url. Good luck! Nancy

Actually, as Edie indicates, some of the papers have been indexed. The papers have been broken down into 45 categories, as follows: A George M. Bedinger Papers B Draper's Life of Boone C Border Forays E Brady and Wetzel Papers F-G Joseph Brant Papers H Daniel Brodhead Papers J George Rogers Clark Papers K George Rogers Clark Miscellany L Jonathan Clark Papers M William Clark Papers N William Croghan Papers O Daniel Drake Papers P Draper's Biographical Sketches Q Draper's Historical Miscellanies R Draper's Memoranda Books S Draper's Notes T Thomas Forsyth Papers U Frontier Wars Papers V Georgia, Alabama and South Carolina Papers W Josiah Harmer Papers X William Henry Harrison Papers Y Thomas S. Hinde Papers Z Illinois Papers AA William Irvine Papers BB Simon Kenton Papers CC Kentucky Papers EE Mecklenburg Declaration HH Mecklenburg Declaration Miscellanies JJ Newspaper Extracts KK North Carolina Papers LL Paris Documents at Albany MM Robert Pattern Papers NN Pittsburgh and Northwest Virginia Papers OO Pension Statements PP John and James Potter Papers QQ William Preston Papers RR Randolph-Nevada Papers SS David Shepherd Papers TT South Carolina Papers UU South Carolina in the Revolution Miscellanies VV Thomas Sumter Papers WW John Cleves Symmes Papers XX Tennessee Papers YY Tecumseh Papers ZZ Virginia Papers The following Calendars (Indices) have been created: The Preston & Virginia Papers, Vol. 1 (covers sectons ?? and ZZ) Calendar of the Kentucky Papers, Vol. 2 (covers section CC) Calendar of the Tennessee & King's Mountain Papers, Vol. 3 (covers sections XX and ??) Calendar of the George Rogers Clark Papers, Vol. 4 (covers sections J and K?) Calendar of the Thomas Sumter Papers, Vol. 5 (covers section VV) Calendar of the Frontier Wars Papers, Vol. 6 (covers section U) That's it as far as I know. The breakdowns are not always clean. For example, I found material on SWVA in the Tennessee papers. Once you have the reference, you have to find a library that has the microfilm rolls to read the actual documents and the writing can be pretty hard to read. But, it's like a treasure trove of interesting information about our SWVA ancestors- including narratives and genealogies. You could probably spend a lifetime going through the information in those files and discover something new every day. Phil "Clair D. \"Skip\" Whitlam" wrote: > Eddie, > Speaker we had once at monthly genealogy meeting had been to Wisconsin > searching the Draper Papers for her ancestors. > Draper was hired by a wealthy publisher to travel the United States and > document live historical individuals. > > The papers never were published and ended up in Wis U. They have been > microfilmed but not indexed. SOooooo, > Our speaker and her husband spend nearly a full week going through the > films one by one. > > Good Luck & God Bless, > > Skip > > ==== SW_VA Mailing List ==== > #3 Support the fight against unrequested junk e-mail (SPAM). > Visit the webpage at: http://www.cauce.org/ > -sysop

Hi, Edgar... We're very fortunate to have copies of the Draper Manuscripts at ETSU (East Tennessee State University) here in Johnson City. A couple of years ago, I did a lengthy study and lecture on the Draper Papers... They are a world of information, but not always easy to read and are poorly indexed and unpaginated in many cases. Best wishes, Shelia Steele Hunt

Eddie, Speaker we had once at monthly genealogy meeting had been to Wisconsin searching the Draper Papers for her ancestors. Draper was hired by a wealthy publisher to travel the United States and document live historical individuals. The papers never were published and ended up in Wis U. They have been microfilmed but not indexed. SOooooo, Our speaker and her husband spend nearly a full week going through the films one by one. Good Luck & God Bless, Skip

In addition to the U. of Wisconsin, which I believe has the original Draper Collection, there is a copy of its King's Mountain papers at the U. of TX. I believe films of the collection are available at some other large libraries. Search the web for possible locations. Anyone who's interested can read about the Battle of King's Mountain at any number of sites online - it's an interesting part of our history. "Edgar A. Howard" wrote:Anyone heard of the subject docs? These are the well known Draper Collection. Vol 3, 1929 pub Hist. Society of Wis. One page mentions Michael Fleenor. That's my interest. Anyone know where I could get a copy? --------------------------------- Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Finance - Get real-time stock quotes

Volks, Anyone heard of the subject docs? These are the well known Draper Collection. Vol 3, 1929 pub Hist. Society of Wis. One page mentions Michael Fleenor. That's my interest. Anyone know where I could get a copy? -eddie . . . there was given to me a thorn in the flesh, the messager of Satan to buffet me, lest I should be exalted above measure. - 2 Corinthians 12:7

Have you looked at the 1880 census? I found them in Maiden Springs, Tazewell, Va. Davis W. Hatfield, Occ. Blacksmith, 30 Born Va. Father & Mother born Va. Nancy J. Hatfield, Keeping House, 29 Born Va. Father & Mother born Va. Mag B. Hatfield, 6 Born Va. Candis Hatfield, 5 Born Va. Mollie Hatfield, 2 Born Va. Samuel G. Hatfield, Brother , Blacksmith 20, Born Va. There is also a neighboring Crabtree family: William Crabtree, Farmer, 44, Born Va., Father & Mother Born Va. Nancy Crabtree, Keeping House, 39, Born Va. Father & Mother born Va. Helen H. Crabtree, Dau 21 single Born Va. James B.Crabtree, Son, Laborer, 18 Born Va. John H. Crabtree, Son, Laborer, 15 Born Va. William F. Crabtree, Son, Laborer, 12, Born Va. Julia Crabtree Dau, 8 Born Va. George W. Crabtree, son, 3 Born Va. Mary Crabtree, Mother, widow, 73, Born Va. Father & Mother born Va. Mary D. Crabtree, granddau, 4, Born Va. There is also some Fields: William H. Fields, Farmer, 63, Born Va. Father & Mother Born Va. Isabells Fields, Keeping house, 45, Born Va. Father & Mother Born Va. there is a Catherine Fields, Servant living with Thomas Gillespie family. She is 19 Born Va and Father & Mother born Va. Another Fields: Palina Fields, keeping house, 50, Widow, Born Va. Father & Mother born Va. George Fields, Farmer, Son, 22 Born Va, Catherine Fields, At home, 19 Dau , Born Va James Fields, Son 8 not listed where born I hope this helps. A. Daniels ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike Curtis" <mcurtis@gopinnacle.com> To: <SW_VA-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, August 21, 2002 9:11 AM Subject: [SW_VA] Suggestions for finding HATFIELD-CRABTREE obituaries? > Hi Everyone, > > I'm hoping for a bit of advice here, as I'm not having much luck tracking > down my great great grandparents, Davis Wesley HATFIELD and Nancy Jane > (FIELD) CRABTREE. > > Davis W. HATFIELD died 28 March 1928 in Saltville, Smyth County, VA. His > death certificate says he was buried in Riverside, VA. The undertaker is > D.R. Henderson. I would like to a) find his grave and b) find his obituary. > I have been unsuccessful at both. Among other things, I have done the > following: > > - Sent a letter to Henderson Funeral Home in Saltville. They gave me > limited information, but neither of the two items I am looking for. > > - Visited the Smyth-Bland Library in Marion. Went through the microfilm for > the Marion newspaper looking for the obituary. It wasn't there. > > - Visited the library in Saltville. I was told that they only have > obituaries going back to the 1950s. > > - Visited the library in Tazewell. Looked in the Obituary Index compiled by > Ashley Nuckols. Other related HATFIELDs appear there, but no Davis. > > - Visited the cemetery at Riverside United Methodist Church off of Long > Hollow Road. Davis HATFIELD had been a trustee there at one time. I checked > all of the marked graves but there were no HATFIELDs at all. > > - Visited the OSBORNE Cemetery north of Tannersville where Davis's brother, > Samuel Greer HATFIELD, and other family members are buried. No Davis. > > - Visited the Smyth County Courthouse and looked through birth, marriage, > death records, will books and deed books. While there was a lot of > information on these families, I couldn't find anything to specifically > resolve these issues. > > My problem with his wife, Nancy (FIELD) CRABTREE is worse because she died > sometime around 1902, which means I don't even have a death certificate for > her since they weren't available in Virginia during that period. In all my > searches for Davis HATFIELD I also searched for Nancy, to no avail. I even > went through the entire year of 1902 in the Marion paper looking for an > obituary but came up empty. > > As a side issue, Davis HATFIELD married Nancy's sister, Emma (FIELD) > CRABTREE on 25 Feb 1903. She apparently died prior to 1910, but I can't > find her anywhere either. > > Does anyone have additional suggestions of where I might look further? I > welcome your ideas. Thanks in advance for you help! > > Best regards, > > Mike Curtis > <mcurtis@gopinnacle.com> > Sojourn Through Time: http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~curtis/ > > > ==== SW_VA Mailing List ==== > #4 Chain letters, gossip, non-genealogical notes, commercial ads, pleas for help, etc. are > PROHIBITED on this List. -sysop >

To All: For those of you who can't come to visit Southwest Va., I invite you to visit my website and click on "Scenes of Interest". http://hearlshill.freeservers.com/index.html You may wander down other paths on the site if you like! Thanks, G. Lee Hearl Authentic Appalachian Storyteller Abingdon, Va.

Mike, I suggest you visit the Washington County Historical Society at Depot Square, Abingdon, Va.. Ask about about old newspapers there. It may have been published in the Abingdon paper.. G. Lee Hearl Authentic Appalachian Storyteller Abingdon, Va.

Hi Everyone, I'm hoping for a bit of advice here, as I'm not having much luck tracking down my great great grandparents, Davis Wesley HATFIELD and Nancy Jane (FIELD) CRABTREE. Davis W. HATFIELD died 28 March 1928 in Saltville, Smyth County, VA. His death certificate says he was buried in Riverside, VA. The undertaker is D.R. Henderson. I would like to a) find his grave and b) find his obituary. I have been unsuccessful at both. Among other things, I have done the following: - Sent a letter to Henderson Funeral Home in Saltville. They gave me limited information, but neither of the two items I am looking for. - Visited the Smyth-Bland Library in Marion. Went through the microfilm for the Marion newspaper looking for the obituary. It wasn't there. - Visited the library in Saltville. I was told that they only have obituaries going back to the 1950s. - Visited the library in Tazewell. Looked in the Obituary Index compiled by Ashley Nuckols. Other related HATFIELDs appear there, but no Davis. - Visited the cemetery at Riverside United Methodist Church off of Long Hollow Road. Davis HATFIELD had been a trustee there at one time. I checked all of the marked graves but there were no HATFIELDs at all. - Visited the OSBORNE Cemetery north of Tannersville where Davis's brother, Samuel Greer HATFIELD, and other family members are buried. No Davis. - Visited the Smyth County Courthouse and looked through birth, marriage, death records, will books and deed books. While there was a lot of information on these families, I couldn't find anything to specifically resolve these issues. My problem with his wife, Nancy (FIELD) CRABTREE is worse because she died sometime around 1902, which means I don't even have a death certificate for her since they weren't available in Virginia during that period. In all my searches for Davis HATFIELD I also searched for Nancy, to no avail. I even went through the entire year of 1902 in the Marion paper looking for an obituary but came up empty. As a side issue, Davis HATFIELD married Nancy's sister, Emma (FIELD) CRABTREE on 25 Feb 1903. She apparently died prior to 1910, but I can't find her anywhere either. Does anyone have additional suggestions of where I might look further? I welcome your ideas. Thanks in advance for you help! Best regards, Mike Curtis <mcurtis@gopinnacle.com> Sojourn Through Time: http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~curtis/

Does anyone have any information regarding any cemeteries where either Huffman's or Wimmer's would be buried, possibly in Buchanan/Tazewell/Russell Counties. I found 1 cemetery in Buchanan. Or, would anyone know of a cemetery where either of these two surnames are listed? Thanks, Brenda _________________________________________________________________ Join the world’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com

Does anyone have any information on a MARY(SABRA OR SOBRARY) HUFFMAN B. 1830. She married Robert Wymer in 1859 and has not been able to be located since that time. She was from Franklin County but married Robert Wymer in Buchanan County. Any help would be appreciated. Thanks, Brenda _________________________________________________________________ Join the world’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com

Eddie, That is so interesting about the links to Alsace. Tell me if you see any Myers/Moyers/Majors/Mayors in Alsace (any spelling will do). Refresh my memory. Which of the sects did they belong to? Katie -------------Original Message------------ >From : "Edgar A. Howard" <swvaroot@earthlink.net> To : SW_VA-L@rootsweb.com Subject : [SW_VA] Germans from Alsace to SW_VA Date : Mon, 19 Aug 2002 17:38:42 -0400 Volks, The following is an expert opinion on some records I found in Strassbourg, Germany/France. It was records of a protestant church, and the earliest dates are circa. 1560. There is mounting evidence that the Germans that came to SW VA came in groups, usually religious groups, that had lived together for generations. -eddie << There are two columns, and the first readible word in the left column is "Sontag". The first words in the second column are "Johaness Flinner". The names I reacted to were "Margaret Andes" and "Jobst Schwinfelder", which I take to be a corruption of Schwenkfelder. I note now that there is a Kegley on the list. The Andes were the inlaws of Kaspar Fleenor, and the Kegleys are thick around Lone Star north of Benhams. The Schwenkfelder reference is to that faith, and underlines that there were Schwenkfelders associated with the ancestors of the Rich Valley Germans. It is amazing how many rich valley names are on those Alsace lists. One of my best friends is a Fraley, and that name and Flinner are next to each other on those 1656 Strausburg church records. This underlines two facts: A) the people in Alsace were of mixed religious backgrounds B) The families of Rich Valley have been moving in lock step across the globe for at least 450 years.>> _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx

Volks, This site has some nice photos of SW VA old buildings, etc. -eddie http://www.geocities.com/lookinforancestors/ ------- End of forwarded message ------- . . . there was given to me a thorn in the flesh, the messager of Satan to buffet me, lest I should be exalted above measure. - 2 Corinthians 12:7

Volks, The following is an expert opinion on some records I found in Strassbourg, Germany/France. It was records of a protestant church, and the earliest dates are circa. 1560. There is mounting evidence that the Germans that came to SW VA came in groups, usually religious groups, that had lived together for generations. -eddie << There are two columns, and the first readible word in the left column is "Sontag". The first words in the second column are "Johaness Flinner". The names I reacted to were "Margaret Andes" and "Jobst Schwinfelder", which I take to be a corruption of Schwenkfelder. I note now that there is a Kegley on the list. The Andes were the inlaws of Kaspar Fleenor, and the Kegleys are thick around Lone Star north of Benhams. The Schwenkfelder reference is to that faith, and underlines that there were Schwenkfelders associated with the ancestors of the Rich Valley Germans. It is amazing how many rich valley names are on those Alsace lists. One of my best friends is a Fraley, and that name and Flinner are next to each other on those 1656 Strausburg church records. This underlines two facts: A) the people in Alsace were of mixed religious backgrounds B) The families of Rich Valley have been moving in lock step across the globe for at least 450 years.>> . . . there was given to me a thorn in the flesh, the messager of Satan to buffet me, lest I should be exalted above measure. - 2 Corinthians 12:7

JOHN W SMITH was born Bef. September 1782 in Henry Co(?), Virginia, and died Betw. April 12th, 1828 and May 2, 1829 in Franklin Co, Virginia. He married ROSANNAH BOLFE January 01, 1807 in Franklin Co, Virginia, daughter of EDWARD(?) BOLFE and MARY HOSPLEHORN(?). She was born Abt. 1786 in Franklin Co(?), Virginia, and died Aft. 1850 in Franklin Co, Virginia(?). John was possibly the son of Daniel SMITH and Elizabeth _______ or Gideon SMITH and Mary HAIRSTON, or ? Known children: 1. Byrd/Burd/Bird SMITH, b. 15 July 1809, Franklin [Co.], VA; m. 13 Sept. 1832, Lydia IDDINGS, Floyd Co., VA; d. 22 Feb. 1896, Floyd. 2. Creed SMITH, b. ca. 1812, d. Aft. August 16, 1870 (census), Franklin [Co.] VA; MB 3 Nov. 1834, Mary RADFORD, Franklin Co., VA, d.April 24, 1857. Second wife: Elizabeth UNKNOWN, m. before July 02, 1860 (census). 3. Willis SMITH, b. 13 Feb. 1826, Franklin [Co.] VA; MB 28 Dec. 1847, Lucy J. PETERS, dau. of Willis PETERS; d. 19 Jan. 1902. 4. Robert (?) SMITH b. ca. 1815, Franklin [Co.] VA, m. Martha _____ (census records). 5. Nancy SMITH, b. 1825-30 (census), Franklin [Co.] VA; MB 17 Oct 1842, James W. RADFORD. 6. Martha SMITH, b. 1815-20 (census), Franklin [Co.] VA; MB 15 Feb 1845, Burwell UNDERWOOD, s/o Jesse. 7. Mary SMITH, b. ca. ????, Franklin [Co.] VA; MB 11 Dec 1834, John VEST. 8. Jane SMITH (?), b. ca. 1815?; MB 18 June 1825, John RICHARDSON. Please forgive any duplications, as I am posting to several relavant lists. Thanks. Any help appreciated. Carolyn HALE BRUCE Co-author of Rebel King, Hammer of the Scots See our site at www.Robert-de-Bruce.com about the Scottish Wars of Independence

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