Amen Eddie You forgot to say the grandkids are also the cutest :-) Kathy Rogers > Dear Volks, > > I wish everyone a Happy Thanksgiving. I hope you get to > be with friends and family especially those grandchildren > that are smarter than any others. <g> > > May we always give thanks to God for our many blessings. > Even those that are routine and easily taken for granted. > We owe Him for every breathe we take. Serve Him by > loving and serving others. > > Thanks for making this the most civil and productive List in > all of Rootswebdom. See ya in the mall. <g> > > May God bless America and may America trust in Him. > > -eddie > List owner > > > > > . . . for there is wrath gone out from the Lord; > the plague is begun. - Num. 16:46 > > > ==== SW_VA Mailing List ==== > #9 As of 3/22/2000 we have 550 members. Traffic can get heavy so check your > mailbox often. We should regulate traffic so it don't get out of hand. > There is an average of ten members coming and going each week. > -sysop > >

Dear Volks, I wish everyone a Happy Thanksgiving. I hope you get to be with friends and family especially those grandchildren that are smarter than any others. <g> May we always give thanks to God for our many blessings. Even those that are routine and easily taken for granted. We owe Him for every breathe we take. Serve Him by loving and serving others. Thanks for making this the most civil and productive List in all of Rootswebdom. See ya in the mall. <g> May God bless America and may America trust in Him. -eddie List owner . . . for there is wrath gone out from the Lord; the plague is begun. - Num. 16:46

We will be trying to form a new DAR chapter in Dickenson County. If you are interested in becoming an organizing member, please contact me. To add to the existing list of proven ancestors, for SW VA, I have just had a set of papers approved for George Fuller, father of John and Thomas Fuller. Many of you probably qualify through this line. Peggy C Fuller Keen Corresponding Secretary Levisa River Chapter Daughters of the American Revolution President Buchanan County Historical Society http://www.bcplnet.org/ Old Bones Website http://www.geocities.com\Heartland\Valley\5049 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.419 / Virus Database: 235 - Release Date: 11/13/02

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hi I was wondering if there are any marriage records for any Bradley's in the Fincastle area? Or any land grants? My ancestor John Bradley was a member of the Fincastle troops in the Rev. War Becki

Eddie, Seems to me that what you are talking of is a New York "thang". Every day I hear news commentators saying "the exact same", such as the exact same time or the exact same color. Grace Dotson

Volks, Speaking of mtn culture, I have a question for those who have lived there: Do you recall the use of "redundancy" in the common language? Like "killed dead" ?? Seems I remember them, but can't recall them now. -eddie . . . for there is wrath gone out from the Lord; the plague is begun. - Num. 16:46

Volks, Some lowlife stole my old Fincastle Mailing List. I was going to make it into a Southern Appalachian Culture discussion list. I would still like to do it. A List for the few that would like to chat more about the mtn lifestyle and culture. We could talk about SWVA accents, religion, cooking & recipes, clothing styles, living poor and being happier, etc. I don't have to be the owner if someone else is interested. -eddie Owner - SW_VA-L roots . . . for there is wrath gone out from the Lord; the plague is begun. - Num. 16:46

Now my question: Exactly what is "base born?" I have found that the ancestor evidently had a child while the husband was away at war. How would I go about finding maybe a record of that birth? Thanks, <<<>>> In VA there was a period about 1855 - 70 when birth and death were kept locally. They give some date. The info was record when someone just dropped by the courthouse and reported it. I notice the 'thoughtful' neighbors usually reported the base born. [base born meant illigetimate. base meaning immoral ] -eddie . . . for there is wrath gone out from the Lord; the plague is begun. - Num. 16:46

Gotta a question, again, this also relates to my search for an ancestor and goes along with the divorce question. Eddie writes: The dates cited in association with the "forbidden to remarry" reminded me of a pattern that I saw in my research. I have found a pattern of divorce and "base born" children during the time of the Civil War. 1855-1868 . Now my question: Exactly what is "base born?" I have found that the ancestor evidently had a child while the husband was away at war. How would I go about finding maybe a record of that birth? Thanks, _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8 with e-mail virus protection service: 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus

Base-born means illegitimate. --- Brenda Rae Wimmer <brwimmer@hotmail.com> wrote: > > Now my question: Exactly what is "base born?" I > have found that the ancestor > evidently had a child while the husband was > away at war. How would I go > about finding maybe a record of that birth? __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Web Hosting - Let the expert host your site http://webhosting.yahoo.com

Regarding Civil War era marriages...I have the same situation in my family. I have found a boy and a girl in the 1840 census from two seperate families growing up in the same hollow. Then I find my great grandmother's death certificate with the boy's name listed as her father (my great grandmother was born in 1862). When I look at the 1870 census, I find the man,with a wife, with children born in odd years (1863, 1865, 1867, 1869), and my great-great grandmother with 3 daughters born in the even years (1862, 1864, 1866). They never married. The only way I figured it out was his listing on the death certificates for the daughters. He was a captain in the Confederate army, she was from a Union family. I have always assumed a romantic forbidden affair....he may have just been a letch, who will ever know.

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Volks, The dates cited in association with the "forbidden to remarry" reminded me of a pattern that I saw in my research. I have found a pattern of divorce and "base born" children during the time of the Civil War. 1855-1868 . The only two illegitimates in my direction live were two years apart. Both around 1860. It would not be a surprised that there was fooling around and family breaking up during a very turbulent time like a civil war. But mine could have been coincidents. Has anyone else see this pattern?? -eddie . . . for there is wrath gone out from the Lord; the plague is begun. - Num. 16:46

Dear Rooters, This statement was also found in the Scott County records in 1852. 9/29/1853 Scott County, Virginia Chancery Court Order Book 1 p. 288 Angilina Bays divorced Joel Bays per Scott Co. court recs. She stated he had abandoned her for more than 5 years. The court ordered a divorce and gave the complainant the right to remarry but not the defendant who was Joel. The defendant was further ordered to pay the complainant her cost in the prosecution of this suit. Angelina remarried almost immediately but the next record that I found for a marriage for Joel was in Lee County twenty years later. At that time he stated that he was a widower. So it does not appear that the court order had any "teeth" since Joel did marry again and possibly more than one time. Anne Bays (Richmond, Virginia)

> Subject: [SW_VA] Re: Early VA divorce question > Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2002 12:33:29 -0500 > From: "Edgar A. Howard" <swvaroot@earthlink.net> > To: SW_VA-L@rootsweb.com > > <<<<<<< >>>>>>>>>> > While looking through some old divorce records I noticed that most > all of > them stated: "was forbidden to marry again, etc". > My question is, was the accused party always forbidden to marry > again? I am > interested in this because I am searching for a woman who was > divorced in > 1866 and her husband was the one who brought about the suit. I > found where > he had later married but can find no record of her ever regarding > any > manner, so I thought that if they were allowed to remarry even > though she > was the one guilty, maybe I need to start checking on another name. > I would appreciate any information regarding my question. > Thanks for your help, > Brenda > > <<<<<<<<<< >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > Brenda, > > I have never seen that in association with a divorce. What > county is that? The date is interesting. Divorce was rare > then, or so I thought. > << no record of her ever regarding any > manner >> > > You mean she never remarried? > > I did not know a court had the power to order that. Wouldn't > that cause them to "live in sin?" > -eddie > > Subject: [SW_VA] Re: "forbidden to marrry again" > Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2002 20:35:53 -0500 > From: "Peggy C Fuller Keen" <muff@netscope.net> > To: SW_VA-L@rootsweb.com > > "was forbidden to marry again, etc". > > This phrase is in early divorces in Buchanan County, also. > > Peggy C Fuller Keen > > Subject: Re: [SW_VA] Re: "forbidden to marrry again" > Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2002 21:31:48 -0500 > From: "Annette Damron" <annetted@tgtel.com> > To: SW_VA-L@rootsweb.com > > This is also on divorce records in Wise Co. Va. > > ______________________________ > It's also in early Russell Co. records. Mike

--WebTV-Mail-2224-3928 Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit " with full permission to each to marry again" "forever divorced from each other" --WebTV-Mail-2224-3928 Content-Disposition: Inline Content-Type: Message/RFC822 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit Received: from smtpinvite-2001-4.public.lawson.webtv.net (172.16.213.204) by storefull-2373.public.lawson.webtv.net with WTV-SMTP; Tue, 12 Nov 2002 21:00:10 -0800 (PST) Received: from lists5.rootsweb.com (lists5.rootsweb.com [207.40.200.41]) by smtpinvite-2001-4.public.lawson.webtv.net (WebTV_Postfix+sws) with ESMTP id 5E6AFFE20; Tue, 12 Nov 2002 22:00:08 -0800 (PST) Received: (from slist@localhost) by lists5.rootsweb.com (8.12.4/8.12.4) id gAD5ph9O023126; Tue, 12 Nov 2002 22:51:43 -0700 Resent-Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2002 22:51:43 -0700 X-Original-Sender: glocliff@swbell.net Tue Nov 12 22:51:38 2002 Message-ID: <3DD1E829.DD01FC8F@swbell.net> Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2002 23:50:33 -0600 From: Owens Family <glocliff@swbell.net> X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en]C-CCK-MCD {Yahoo;SBC! Yahoo} (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Old-To: "SW VA-L@rootsweb.com\" \"" <SW_VA-L@rootsweb.com> Subject: Re: [SW_VA] Re: "forbidden to marrry again" References: <MABBKFBCHBNHBJEHFBEOKEGGCCAA.muff@netscope.net> <000a01c28abc$d27409e0$9f969dce@default> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <qohmr.A.CoF.vhe09@lists5.rootsweb.com> To: SW_VA-L@rootsweb.com Resent-From: SW_VA-L@rootsweb.com X-Mailing-List: <SW_VA-L@rootsweb.com> archive/latest/9823 X-Loop: SW_VA-L@rootsweb.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SW_VA-L-request@rootsweb.com My great grandparents lived in Carroll County, Virginia and got their divorce in August 1868. Their divorce decree stated that "each party would be forever divorced from the other, with full permission to each to marry again" . So it looks like both of them had to have permission to remarry. Gloria Annette Damron wrote; This is also on divorce records in Wise Co. Va. > > ==== SW_VA Mailing List ==== #5 It is YOUR responsibility to know how to SUBSCRIBE & UNSUBSCRIBE. It is done by computer. Put the word SUBSCRIBE in the body of the message with nothing else. The address is sw_va-l-request@rootsweb.com . or -d- for DIGEST mode. All this is in the Welcome statement I ask you to save. -sysop --WebTV-Mail-2224-3928--

My great grandparents lived in Carroll County, Virginia and got their divorce in August 1868. Their divorce decree stated that "each party would be forever divorced from the other, with full permission to each to marry again" . So it looks like both of them had to have permission to remarry. Gloria Annette Damron wrote; This is also on divorce records in Wise Co. Va. > >

This is also on divorce records in Wise Co. Va.

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