Milly, your Owens family starts in 1810. where were they before that time? You have a very nice web site. Nancy in GA

A big ole Merry Christmas to all. My most memorable Christmas was the year I got nothing. Dad had been hurt in the mines and out of work for a while. There was no money for toys. It was the only time I had ever seen my dad cry. It was the year I learned there was no Santa Clause and that Christmas has a lot bigger meaning in our life. It was 1937 and I was five years old. Bob Crabtree (formerly of Boissevain)

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Just wanted to say Merry Christmas to all on the list . We always went to Grandma and grandpas on Christmas eve. Had dinner and open gifts. Then Christmas morning was our Christmas gift opening at home. Wonderful memories of family getting together. So Merry Christmas and may God Bless each and everyone. We are all family under God. Virginia Othic

My family has always opened gifts on Christmas morning. Was so much fun when the children were small to get up BEFORE them and see the looks on their faces. Wishing you all the joy of Children at Christmas. Pat

"Edgar A. Howard" wrote: > My most memorable Christmas was the year that Santa > came on Christmas Eve. Our family in SW VA always had the Santa visit on Christmas Eve. When we were children, we went to town for a "goody bag" or something, and when we returned home, Santa had been there. As we grew older, we "set" a time that we would exchange gifts on Christmas Eve with the youngest doing the work of handing out presents. If I were lucky enough to be HOME FOR CHRISTMAS today, we would open gifts tonight. Alas, the tradition changed when my son married and had children. I will be visiting my grandkids early Christmas morning to see them overwhelmed with too many commerical toys. Happy Holidays to all in SW VA. SueBee

Volks, Wow! It's Christmas time again. I must be getting old.<g> Why couldn't it come this fast when I wanted my "Wanted: Dead or Alive" toy gun. Anyway, Merry Christmas to all members and their families. My most memorable Christmas was the year that Santa came on Christmas Eve. We must have been at the top of his list. For some reason, I never knew, dad took us all to town on Christmas Eve around 8 PM. We weren't gone long and when we got back Santa had come and gone. And believe it or not, mom did not even hear him. <g> God bless your Christmas memories. And let's never forget Whose birthday it is. And what He ask of us. -eddie owner SW_VA-L NC . . . for there is wrath gone out from the Lord; the plague is begun. - Num. 16:46

To All: Instead of sending Xmas cards to Everyone, I invite you to go to my website and read a Christmas story I wrote about my GGGrandfather who lived in Poor Valley. It is part fact, part fiction. You get to decide which is what! Go to this address and click on "Story Listings" then click on "Hughie's Dream".. http://hearlshill.freeservers.com/index.html Merry Xmas & Happy New Year! G. Lee Hearl

"Edgar A. Howard" wrote: > Dear Volks, > > I wish everyone a Happy Thanksgiving. This message JUST arrived at my computer at 11:30 a.m., December 22, 2002. It was dated November 27, 2002. It must be a long way from there to here!!!! Thanks for thinking of us and I will accept this as a seasonal message. Have a happy holiday. May you locate many ancestors. SueBee

Eddie,      I'm just getting around to reading your comments about the Clay County War.  I might add my own rendition of shootings that happened in earlier years.     Yes, Manchester, KY, is in Clay county.  My dad built the old courthouse during the CCC program in 1938 that has been/is being demolished to build a new courthouse.   Protests weren't strong enough to save the historic building.     I was a baby.  We moved to Manchester and lived in a two-story frame house across the street from the construction job.  Considering the Depression times and lack of employment, it's true that one had to protect himself from whatever violence might occur in the community.  Firearms were often carried.  Our frontdoor was riddled with bullet holes.  The jailer lived next door.  His wife prepared meals for the prisoners.  It was said that men would perform illegal acts to get arrested so they would have food to eat.  People in Manchester were good to my family, often giving us garden produce and meat.       My mother used to tell me the story about a shooting that took place just a few doors from us.  We lived in the business district of town.  One night, my parents heard several gunshots and the following day it was learned that the local judge (Lyttle), his brother, and two Manning brothers had exchanged gunfire in the square.  Judge Lyttle crawled into a small cafe/tea room owned by his aunt and died under a table.  Newspaper reported he had as many as 18 gunshots.  The aunt waited several hours before getting up enough courage to go out into the street.  When she opened the door, she stumbled over the other brother's body.  No one was prosecuted for the murders because there were no witnesses.     It seems there had been other shootings/deaths in this same Lyttle family a short time before this incident.       Somewhere in my files, I have the detailed newspaper reports of this shooting.            Pat

I have a couple of articles on the Clay Co. feud. One is from the AMERICAN WEEKLY, April 30, 1944, entitled "Will Law or Bullets End the Mountain Feud", with several pictures and illustrations. The article states "The petition and affadavits name some 12 families who have been engaged in a violent feud in Clay County during the preceding seven or eight in which more than 50 persons have been killed..." From the article, it appears that the CUPP's and BENGE's were some of the main culprits. The CUPP's mentioned were descendants of Charles CUPP, who was killed by Confederate soldiers during the Civil War because he refused to sell them his horses. I had thought that the feud had originated from circumstances surrounding Charles' death; however, I recently received an article entitled, "Four Young People Died" http://echandgs0.tripod.com/feuds/id4.html which says that four children of Christopher and Barbara Smith were found murdered, March 23, 1855, fifteen miles west of Manchester(that would have been "before" the Civil War), and that Walter CUPP, aged 23, and Ruben Hibbard were arrested and indicted for the murders. I wonder who this Walter Cupp was, since he would have been contemporary with Charles, and I wonder if this was the same feud mentioned in the AMERICAN WEEKLY article, since there were almost 100 years between the incidents? Many Clay Countians had migrated from Lee Co., including John Hyden (namesake of Hyden, KY.), who was Clay Co. judge for many years after the Civil War, so I'm sure he had to deal with many of the feuders. John was the brother of my g-g-g grandfather, Samuel Monroe Hyden, whose grandson, Samuel Slater Hyden, married Charles Cupp's brother's daughter. If there are no books written on this feud, it would seem a good subject for an aspiring writer to search the newspapers and court records and write a book. Don A. Hyden ________________________________________________________________ Sign Up for Juno Platinum Internet Access Today Only $9.95 per month! Visit www.juno.com

Hi All, I`m kin to the Whites. I did`nt get to see this. Do you know any more about wher to find informatiom. Barker, White ,Penley,Pennington,Lee,Napier, etc. Carol ----- Original Message ----- From: "Edgar A. Howard" <swvaroot@earthlink.net> To: <SW_VA-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, December 12, 2002 9:55 PM Subject: [SW_VA] Clay Co. war > Volks, > > Did ya see the History Ch. show Vendettas? It was about E. Ky mtn > feuds. Baker vs. White? Clay Co. I think the county seat is > Manchester. That's where the yankee I knew in the army went > home with a guy from there. The NYC yankee came back white as a > sheet mumbling something about the shootings. > > The bad part was that a Howard, Jim Howard, was mentioned. I'm > suing!!! <g> That must be a different Howards. It seems that a > Sheriff White murdered a Baker as he stood in front of the > courthouse. But a different man confessed on his death bed. I would > love to read a book on all this. They said when it ended during WW > II over 150 people had been killed. > > One historian says it was the isolation of the mtn, the mix of the > Indian and Scots-Irish blood and the Civil War that caused this > fighting and feuding. > > They said the murderers became preachers later and there were > death bed comfessions. > > -eddie > . . . for there is wrath gone out from the Lord; > the plague is begun. - Num. 16:46 > > > ==== SW_VA Mailing List ==== > #6 HELP is available from the sysop/owner anytime at: > swvaroot@swva.net > > > >

I have recently come into possession of a book written about the history of Saltville. It was printed in the 1950's. If you might be interested in this book please let me know. Becky, Anything about the Civil War battle there? -eddie . . . for there is wrath gone out from the Lord; the plague is begun. - Num. 16:46

I have recently come into possession of a book written about the history of Saltville. It was printed in the 1950's. If you might be interested in this book please let me know. Becky

SURNAMES BEING RESEARCHED ARE MORRIS, COOPER IN NC AND VA

Any Matney researchers want to meet other Matney researchers? Dan Matney

We have uploaded our preliminary "1800" index for Lee County, the 1799 Personal Property and Land Tax Lists indexes, to our "1790 / 1800 County Tax Lists of Virginia" website. Please follow the county link found at: http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~ysbinns/vataxlists/index.htm Please send any comments to us at: mailto:binnsgeno@aol.com or mailto:ysbinns@msn.com As with any transcription effort of old records you may find transcription errors and missing names. We will gladly update these indexes with corrections at any time. Your help is greatly appreciated! Steve and Bunny "1790" / "1800" County Tax Lists of Virginia Alternative 1790 and 1800 Virginia Censuses --------- Subscribe to BINNS-L surname email list: mailto:BINNS-L-request@rootsweb.com?subject=subscribe&body=subscribe American Binns Families and Individuals: http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~ysbinns/americanb/index.htm "1790" / "1800" County Tax Lists of Virginia: http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~ysbinns/vataxlists/index.htm

LOOKING FOR INFO. ON JOHN BABB BORN ABT. 1791? TO BENJANIN BABB (BORN ABT 1774) AND MARY ??. JOHN PROBABLY HAD CHILDREN NAMED GEORGE,JOHN,SAMPSON, SARAH, MARY. JNSBABB@CHARTERTN.NET

Subject: [SW_VA] DECENDANTS OF ADAM DARNELL SORRY BUT I NEED ANCESTORS OF ADAM PATTON DARNELL INSTEAD OF DESCENDANTS. > NEED INFO ON ADAM PATTON DARNELL BORN ABT 1815 SCOTT CO. > VA. DIED 6 MAY 1883 AND IS BURIED IN THE CEME. ON BART SALLINGS FARM. MARRIED TO POLLY "MARY" BABB BORN ALSO ABOUT 1815 IN > SCOTT CO. VA. THEY HAD 11 CHILDREN. > > JNSBABB@CHARTERTN.NET > > > ==== SW_VA Mailing List ==== > #7 Please send your SURNAMES to: Fred Preston <ohhenry@bigfoot.com> > They will be added to the database website. Go to: > http://www.fortunecity.com/millennium/quarrybank/194/swabc.htm >

NEED INFO ON ADAM PATTON DARNELL BORN ABT 1815 SCOTT CO. VA. DIED 6 MAY 1883 AND IS BURIED IN THE CEME. ON BART SALLINGS FARM. MARRIED TO POLLY "MARY" BABB BORN ALSO ABOUT 1815 IN SCOTT CO. VA. THEY HAD 11 CHILDREN. JNSBABB@CHARTERTN.NET