Eddie, RE: MAPS I would be interested in maps Nos. 1 &2. -- Carlisle Skeen 220 Wolf Hall U of Delaware Newark, DE 19716 Phone: (302) 831-8060 Fax: (302) 831-3645

Edgar, A coal tipple is the huge hopper that coal is stored in until loading on to trucks or rail cars, also coal processing/wash plants are referred to as tipples. Jonah At 01:18 AM 01/27/1999 -0500, Edgar A. Howard wrote: >All, > > Some have ask what a coal tipple is. Someone was injured on >one. I'm sure someone can give us more detail. Coal is a big part of >the history of SW VA. In the "Back Counties" as my father called >them. > >> A tipple performs several functions, the essential features are that >> coal is brought in on one conveyance at a higher level, dumped into >the >> tipple where it may be only stored, or may be processed, and then is >> dumped at a lower lever into another conveyance. A tipple for steam >> engine use consisted of a side track with entry high on a hill. A train >> would back a coal car onto the side track and park it there. The side >> track would gain altitude toward its distal end and be high enough >that >> another steam engine could back its coal tender under it. The dump >> doors under the coal car on top would be opened and dump coal >through >> the track on top of the tipple into the coal tender. A mining tipple >> serves to receive the coal from the mine and dump it into coal cars. > >-eddie > > >==== SW_VA Mailing List ==== >#6 HELP is available from the sysop/owner anytime at: > ehoward@conknet.com or swvaroot@swva.net >

Diane The Botetourt County map is great!! I wish I had such a map for every county in the country in which my ancestors abided! love joan

Hi gang, Judy writes: << " . . .Know ye that by Virtue of a Certificate in Right of Settlement given by the Commissioners for adjusting the Titles to unpatented lands in the district of Washington and Montgomery. . . " >> My notes: In 1778, the state of Virginia made known to the settlers of Virginia, primarily aimed at the western parts of Virginia, that even though they were living on the lands, they were going to have to prove ownership or apply for ownership from the State of Virginia. This was done because Virginia was taking over control of the land of Virginia. This was supposed to take effect and be bound by law, I believe in the year 1783 or 84. Early settlers could prove ownership by "squatter's rights" in a lot of cases. Some could go to the state and prove ownership by showing the state where they had purchased the land from a land company. Some could prove ownership of where they had purchased the land from another legal owner. The state then, for a small fee, registered the land in the name of the applicant and gave them a Certificate in Right of Settlement to prove to anyone the ownership of the land. Until later, good hunting, Jerry in Kingsport, TN www.penjaccphoto.com

On a census record @1920 for pittsylvania county,the district was Tunstall, What city would that be considered???....Maybe Danville??

All, Some have ask what a coal tipple is. Someone was injured on one. I'm sure someone can give us more detail. Coal is a big part of the history of SW VA. In the "Back Counties" as my father called them. > A tipple performs several functions, the essential features are that > coal is brought in on one conveyance at a higher level, dumped into the > tipple where it may be only stored, or may be processed, and then is > dumped at a lower lever into another conveyance. A tipple for steam > engine use consisted of a side track with entry high on a hill. A train > would back a coal car onto the side track and park it there. The side > track would gain altitude toward its distal end and be high enough that > another steam engine could back its coal tender under it. The dump > doors under the coal car on top would be opened and dump coal through > the track on top of the tipple into the coal tender. A mining tipple > serves to receive the coal from the mine and dump it into coal cars. -eddie

It's probably old news to some, but can anyone tell me where and when or who originated the belief that JAMES BOGGS from Ireland/Scotland was the son of JOHN LIVINGSTON, and how much weight does this story hold in origins? thanks! e.g.boggs

Edgar, I also would like to have a Betetourt County Map. Thanks, Diane

Can anyone tell me what the following excerpt from a 1796 Wythe County land grant indicates? " . . .Know ye that by Virtue of a Certificate in Right of Settlement given by the Commissioners for adjusting the Titles to unpatented lands in the district of Washington and Montgomery. . . " Judy

Judy, I don't know the details or exact law but settlers had a right to a certain parcel or acreage of land if they settle on the land, cleared it and grew crops on it. Once there was something called a 'corn right' which meant they got 'x' amount of land for every acre they planted in corn. I hope someone very knowledgable can give detailed explanation. -eddie Can anyone tell me what the following excerpt from a 1796 Wythe County land grant indicates? " . . .Know ye that by Virtue of a Certificate in Right of Settlement given by the Commissioners for adjusting the Titles to unpatented lands in the district of Washington and Montgomery. . . " Judy ==== SW_VA Mailing List ==== #4 Chain letters, gossip, non-genealogical notes, commercial ads, pleas for help, etc. are PROHIBITED on this List. Violators will be promptly locked out. -sysop

Members, Please remember that if you change email addresses you must change the address on the SURNAME webpage that Fred Preston runs for the benefit of all of us. If you are new Post your SURNAMES or send them to Fred at: Fred Preston <ohhenry@bigfoot.com> Please read all the taglines {little notes at the bottom of all addresses} for this List. They are important. -eddie, sysop

ROANOKE TIMES Copyright (c) 1999, Roanoke Times DATE: Sunday, January 24, 1999 TAG: 9901250202 SECTION: VIRGINIA PAGE: B1 EDITION: METRO RESEARCHERS DISCOVER WHO FIRST AFRICANS IN VA. WERE 'WHAT WE'RE FINDING OUT IS REVOLUTIONARY' SUMMARY: Evidence suggests that these unwilling immigrants were likely to have been Christians and spoke a common language. In the scant history of forgotten persons, many people are faceless. But few have been swallowed by the dark shadows that obscure the first blacks known to have lived in Virginia. Except for a few passing references from Capt. John Smith and members of theVirginia Company, these ''20-odd Negroes'' left virtually no trace after disembarking from a Dutch ship in late summer 1619. And for nearly 400 years that lack of evidence made it hard for anyone, including many determined scholars, to talk about one of early America's most historic moments. A recent survey of Portuguese colonial shipping records, however, may have turned up the very vessel in which these unwilling immigrants came to the New World. New studies of the Portuguese African colony of Angola have shed unexpected light on the subject. ''When I gave a talk on the arrival of the first Africans in 1994, I really had very little to say,'' said Jamestown Settlement curator Tom Davidson. ''But in five years the whole story has changed - almost completely. Gradually, we're taking what was the poorest known segment of 17th-century Virginia's population and moving into a realm where we can talk about them as people.'' Davidson gave a lecture recently that focused on several studies, including two pioneering works that appeared in the scholarly journal William & Mary Quarterly over the past two years. The first revolutionized the field, he says, by pinpointing the name, nationality and port of origin of the ship that carried the blacks from Africa to the New World. Sifting through Colonial shipping records, California historian Engel Sluiter came across a Portuguese merchant-slaver that lost its human cargo to English and Dutch privateers in the West Indies. The timing and description of the attack almost certainly tie that ship, known as the San Juan Bautista, to the Dutch adventurers who brought the first blacks to Virginia. They also link that human cargo to the Angolan port town of Luanda. ''Before this, we knew nothing about the Africans themselves. We didn't know if they were slaves. We didn't even know if they were Africans or Creoles from the West Indies,'' Davidson said. ''Now we have not only a probable origin - the Portuguese ship sailed from Angola - but a specific locale in Angola. And that's enabled us to discover what kind of people these first Africans were.'' Other scholars, including William & Mary Quarterly editor Philip Morgan, an award-winning author in the field, believe Sluiter's careful work leaves little doubt about the identity of the Portuguese vessel. And that crucial missing link has led to a fast-growing chain of information about the first blacks who landed in Virginia, he says. In 1998, the journal published a study by Pennsylvania historian John Thornton that examined the Portuguese colony of Angola during the early 17th century. Thornton's search through the records of the period turned up not only the region in Angola from which the blacks came, but also the military campaign in which they were probably captured. He also turned up evidence suggesting that these Africans were likely to have been Christians, that they had years of experience in trading and dealing with Europeans and that they spoke a common language. Such traits would have made them better able to adapt to their lot in Virginia than the ethnically and linguistically diverse groups of blacks that began to arrive from West Africa later in the 1600s, Davidson says. Continued trading with Portuguese Angola, he adds, may help explain why the first generations of Africans were so much more successful in working their way out of servitude than those that followed. It may also help scholars understand why attitudes about race hardened in the late 1600s, when the concept of limited-term indenture began to mutate into the institution of lifelong slavery. ''What we're finding out is revolutionary,'' Davidson said.

And I just got the Botetourt map and found sites and names of several persopns in my genealogy search. I was surprised, however, not to find my direct ancestor listed -- he had land there around Big Meadows from around 1750=something until his death in 1770 -- and Ws a member of Sinking Springs church. But the family moved on after his death so they probably did not make that big of an impact on the land. Anyway, I am delighted with the map. thank you so much, Edgar!! I want to order another one or two when I know which ones I need. love joan

I just received a copy of the Pulaski map...it is great! Thanks for sharing, E. Do you have the same type map for Carroll and Wythe? Judy

I too have some wills that mention Slaves by name and how they were left to various members of the family. Also my story about the battle at Gaines Mill mentions a number of slaves and how they took care of the baby in the middle of a battle and one sold food from the family garden to yankees during the siege of Richmond. These are at http://www.lcc.net/~fpreston/prestonf.htm and look for DOCUMENTS for the wills and for the Civil War story go to either TINSLEY or GAINES listed as major SURNAMES. Fred Preston

Rena, my ancestors were just like those you cited. The references were made about their "people". They were family---they carried the family names and most of them stayed around the homeplace even after gaining their freedom. Those of us with roots in the South must record this part of our heritage too. Diana Kinzer Heath ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ USGenWeb County Coordinator for: Roanoke Co., Roanoke City & Salem City, VA at: http://www.rootsweb.com/~varoanok/index.html Wood Co., WV at: http://www.rootsweb.com/~wvwood/indexa.htm Mason Co., WV at: http://www.rootsweb.com/~wvmason/ Rootsweb Mail List Owner/Admin for: VAROANOK-L@Rootsweb.com WVWOOD-L@Rootsweb.com KINZER-L@Rootsweb.com GRALEY-L@Rootsweb.com MILLER-L@Rootsweb.com SCHMIDT-L@Rootsweb.com BERNHARD-L@Rootsweb.com KARP-L@Rootsweb.com GenConnect Surname Boards Admin. for: KINZER, CORNS & MILLER. MY HOME PAGE: http://www.familytreemaker.com/users/h/e/a/Diana-K-Heath/ ***Proud Rootsweb Sponsor*** -----Original Message----- From: RENA WORTHEN <doreatr@rbnet.com> To: SW_VA-L@rootsweb.com <SW_VA-L@rootsweb.com> Date: Tuesday, January 26, 1999 11:09 AM Subject: Wills >Eddie >Many of the wills at my site have mentioned their slaves in the will. as a >matter of Fact the Hatcher family gave the slaves use of their last name . >There are many Hatcher of color that decend from the Hatcher family owners. >i find this intriging. almost like they are family. I feel sure that is the >case in many other families. especially those who treated their "slaves" >well. The wills i speak of can be viewed at this site. >http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Woods/3798/index.html > >They make for some intresting reading. >Rena > ----------snip------- > > > >==== SW_VA Mailing List ==== >#4 Chain letters, gossip, non-genealogical notes, commercial ads, pleas for help, etc. are >PROHIBITED on this List. Violators will be promptly locked out. -sysop >

Eddie Many of the wills at my site have mentioned their slaves in the will. as a matter of Fact the Hatcher family gave the slaves use of their last name . There are many Hatcher of color that decend from the Hatcher family owners. i find this intriging. almost like they are family. I feel sure that is the case in many other families. especially those who treated their "slaves" well. The wills i speak of can be viewed at this site. http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Woods/3798/index.html They make for some intresting reading. Rena ----------snip-------

This is very interesting. I would love to see some post about families who owned slaves. (Without judgements) Several of my families owned slaves. One freed them. -eddie PLEASE HELP! Here is the URL to post information that you may have about former slaves. THANKS so much!!! http://members.aol.com/slavedata/Public/index.htm

PLEASE HELP! Here is the URL to post information that you may have about former slaves. THANKS so much!!! http://members.aol.com/slavedata/Public/index.htm PACJ1945@aol.com wrote: > > Hello group, > > Several weeks ago, I received an email from a member of this list concerning a > website that was for the genealogy of slaves. I have information about slaves > in Bedford County Virginia 1811-1817 & 1823-1827. > > I will gladly forward this information if that person would please contact me > again privately. > > Thank you > > Pat Corbitt Johns > > ==== VA-SOUTHSIDE Mailing List ==== > Happy 2nd Birthday VAGenWeb Project! > Welcome to the VA-SOUTHSIDE mailing list! This list is for > genealogy researchers of the counties of: Amelia, Appomattox, > Brunswick, Charlotte, Dinwiddie, Franklin, Greensville, > Halifax, Henry, Isle of Wight, Lunenburg, Mecklenburg, > Nottway, Patrick, Pittsylvania, Prince Edward, Prince George, > Southampton, Surry, and Sussex. It also includes the cities > of: Petersburg, Colonial Heights, Hopewell, Danville, Suffolk, > Emporia, South Boston, Franklin, and Martinsville.

Hello Listers, I've been rereading some of the postings on Pioneer Roads, specifically the one from Sue McLaughlin about the group who cut the trace into KY from VA. According to the account by Felix Walker which Sue quotes a man named John Hart was part of that group of men. Does anyone have any information on this man? I have seen the name HURT spelled both as HURT and as HART; was John HART the same man as John HURT? I'd appreciate any information anyone has to share. Thanks. Jean