Not trying to sound morbid, but I work for the Police Dept. here, and we have dug up a few old graves like those mentioned, and about the only things found are large skeletal remains. All other bones were gone, and what was left of the large bones wasn't in the best shape. Just a point of interest. Danny Freeman -----Original Message----- From: Larry A. Overbay <laoverbay@naxs.com> To: SW_VA-L@rootsweb.com <SW_VA-L@rootsweb.com> Date: Sunday, February 21, 1999 6:35 PM Subject: Burial Practices >I'm not an old man but most of the info shared recently, I have >participated in during my childhood and continue some practices now. > >While talking to my Dad, the other day we talked about how cemeteries seem >to be so much better cared for than they were in the past. With the advent >of vaults, we no longer see the deely sunken graves that were so common in >old cemeteries. I can remember, as a child, playing in cemeteries where >you could lie completely hidden in a sunken grave while playing at soldiers >or kick the can. > >I knew that when the coffins rotted away that naturally the graves would >collapse but did not realize until Dad told me that when graves were dug >that just above the level of the casket a shelf was dug on each side and >boards were laid across the shelf to cover the casket. This further >contributed to the extreme sunken condition of old graves when that shelf >also collased. > >Also, at the close of the funeral ceremony and in the presence of the >family, the grave was closed. Men would step into the grave and straddle >the coffin while shovels of dirt were handed down until the boards were >completely covered as to not create an unpleasant sound, a further sign of >respect for the dead and the family. > > > >==== SW_VA Mailing List ==== >#4 Chain letters, gossip, non-genealogical notes, commercial ads, pleas for help, etc. are >PROHIBITED on this List. Violators will be promptly locked out. -sysop > >

Researching WILCOX, GRAY, DAVIS, CARICO, CARRICO of SW Virginia predominately it appears Grayson CO. George gebasden@worldnet.att.net http://www.basden.com

hi fred thank you for sharing the web site of surnames. I have a lot of ancestors from va. loretta

Please excuse this message if it went through this morning. I am not sure it did as it didn't come back to me as a mail as posts usually do. I am looking for more information on the following interrelated families: Frederick J. Vicars, b. 1823, Virginia, married to Martha?? Dau. of Frederick and Martha Vicars was Mary Lucinda Vicars, b. Aug. 11, 1860, Scott Co., VA, married to Silas R. Gulley, b. Sept. 1855, VA. Parents of Silas R. Gulley: James P. Gulley and Nancy Osborne Gulley. James P. Gulley was born abt. 1810 in Hawkins Co., TN. Nancy Osborne was born abt. 1814 in VA., d. Mar. 21, 1878, Scott Co., VA. Nancy is buried in the Redwine/Osborne Cemetery, Scott Co., VA. James P. and Nancy Gulley's children were: Samuel, Elizabeth, Louis F., James S.I., Abraham, Winney B., Polly B., Bryant G., Alvis, Sarah J. and Silas R. Gulley. Parents of Nancy Osborne Gulley were: Samuel Osborne, b. Oct. 8, 1788, VA., d. Aug. 25, 1870, Scott, Co.,VA., buried in the Redwine/Osborne Cemetery, and Winney Ratliff b. abt. 1791, VA. Besides Nancy, they had a son Samuel Osborne also, b. abt. 1813. Any information on any of the above people would be greatly appreciated. Lisa Sloan-Limmer

> Subject: SURNAMES MARTIN & GIBSON 1870 KY CENSUS > Date: Sunday, February 21, 1999 2:21 PM > > Can anyone with the surnames of MARTIN > & GIBSON tell me who are these people > in the following 1870 Floyd Co. KY census: > > PRECINCT 2 > > 156 MARTIN, ELIZABETH age 58 born VA > GIBSON, SAMUEL 17 VA > > I sure will appreciate any help I can get; thanks. > > Sarah Ann

For those of you new to this list group, there is a list of SURNAMES that are being researched by members of this group and the email address is shown for the researcher...it can be found at http://www.fortunecity.com/millenium/quarrybank/194/swabc.htm if you want to add your surnames simply send email to ohhenry@bigfoot.com and list the names. Fred Preston

Kidney Beans are RED excellent in Chili. Pinto beans are brown and white when cooked they are brown. and are eaten with Cornbread. Pinto beans is a good source of protein Green Beans cooked with new potatos and bacon yummm Time for a snack.. ---------- From: Diane Taylor <djtaylor@puc.edu> To: SW_VA-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: Green Beans Date: Sunday, February 21, 1999 7:50 PM Just another perspective: In Washington State, where I grew up, the fresh green beans were called snap beans or green beans. They were picked green and my grandmother and mother used to sit for hours and "snap" (break) them into about inch-size pieces to can. They were also sometimes called string beans, I assume because of the "string" along the one side that was pulled off during the snapping process. We also raised lima beans (you shelled those) and pinto beans, which were indeed, red. Diane ==== SW_VA Mailing List ==== #3 Support the fight against unrequested junk e-mail (SPAM). Visit the webpage at: http://www.cauce.org/ -sysop

Hi all, I have really enjoyed all the talk about leather britches and feather beds and how about pickled beans my favorate. Without the stories about the times and the lives of the people, genealogy is nothing but a name and a date. I had forgotten about my grandmothers beans until ya'll started talking about them and all the old memories came flooding in. The stories about the depression have given me new insite into my grandmothers' personality. Thanks to all Zandra

You are right, Rena. I misstated! Pinto beans are "pinto-looking" brown and white ones. Kidney beans are the red ones. Oops! Diane

Just another perspective: In Washington State, where I grew up, the fresh green beans were called snap beans or green beans. They were picked green and my grandmother and mother used to sit for hours and "snap" (break) them into about inch-size pieces to can. They were also sometimes called string beans, I assume because of the "string" along the one side that was pulled off during the snapping process. We also raised lima beans (you shelled those) and pinto beans, which were indeed, red. Diane

I'm not an old man but most of the info shared recently, I have participated in during my childhood and continue some practices now. While talking to my Dad, the other day we talked about how cemeteries seem to be so much better cared for than they were in the past. With the advent of vaults, we no longer see the deely sunken graves that were so common in old cemeteries. I can remember, as a child, playing in cemeteries where you could lie completely hidden in a sunken grave while playing at soldiers or kick the can. I knew that when the coffins rotted away that naturally the graves would collapse but did not realize until Dad told me that when graves were dug that just above the level of the casket a shelf was dug on each side and boards were laid across the shelf to cover the casket. This further contributed to the extreme sunken condition of old graves when that shelf also collased. Also, at the close of the funeral ceremony and in the presence of the family, the grave was closed. Men would step into the grave and straddle the coffin while shovels of dirt were handed down until the boards were completely covered as to not create an unpleasant sound, a further sign of respect for the dead and the family.

Most old hay rakes were pulled by a couple of horses and the driver had to manually pull this big old lever to raise the tongs and leave it all in large neat rows to be picked up and placed in a wagon. I was just sent a most wonderful photo of a family member riding a hay rake taken in 1918. It is being pulled by a car, which looks like one of the old bathtub roadsters of a make and model I do not recognize. Behind the car and hay rake is a loaded hay wagon pulled by two horses and with three other unidentified men standing by. The photo was taken on Brushfork, near Bluefield VA/WV. The elderly lady that sent the photo said it was on McCue's Farm. I could not get a good spelling on this. If anyone should know of this farm I would be very interested in learning it's history. The family member is George Washington Crabtree. He died a short time after the photo was taken during the big flu epidemic. Robert Crabtree

I am in Texas and we call them Green Beans and/or String Beans.. Green Beans and New potatoes. And my Lima beans are cooked with butter and called Butter Beans and are for from green. And my Pinto Beans are very red. margie -----Original Message----- From: Tom Robertson <kf6dav@home.com> To: SW_VA-L@rootsweb.com <SW_VA-L@rootsweb.com> Date: Sunday, February 21, 1999 2:59 PM Subject: Green Beans >Hi, guys -- > >What are green beans? String/snap beans? I remember Kentucky Wonders >as being yellow -- at least when they came out of a can. Lima beans -- >aren't they green? I grew up in the suburbs of Richmond from the 30's >on, and I never heard anyone say "green beans." Except for a New >Yorker, once, and I think he'd been drinking. > >Maybe it's the advertising people who did it, trying to get away from >the idea of the strings -- which were a nuisance. First we had string >beans (though my country relatives called them snaps, and the Department >of Agriculture called them snap beans)-- then we had stringless beans -- >are they now green beans? Why such an ambiguous term? > >Interestingly enough, I was surprised recently when preparing string >beans for the first time since the 50's. I snapped them and tried to >pull the strings -- and guess what? They didn't have any! What hath God >wrought? > >Tom Robertson >------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >> Subject: Re: Beans & beds >> Date: Sun, 21 Feb 1999 10:08:33 -0500 >> From: "Edgar A. Howard" <ehoward@conknet.com> >> To: SW_VA-L@rootsweb.com >> >> Date sent: Sun, 21 Feb 1999 01:43:17 EST >> To: ehoward@conknet.com >> Subject: Re: Beans & beds >> >> <<Please tell me you are kidding? >> >> When I ask for clarification of the terms it was not for myself. >> Remember that I speak for the List and not just myself. I know what a >> feather tick is. We never dried green beans, we canned them. Why >> would someone dry what they could can?? > > >==== SW_VA Mailing List ==== >#6 HELP is available from the sysop/owner anytime at: > ehoward@conknet.com or swvaroot@swva.net >

This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --part0_919654797_boundary Content-ID: <0_919654797@inet_out.mail.aol.com.1> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII --part0_919654797_boundary Content-ID: <0_919654797@inet_out.mail.aol.com.2> Content-type: message/rfc822 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Content-disposition: inline Return-Path: <HARRIS-HUNTERS-L-request@rootsweb.com> Received: from rly-yd03.mx.aol.com (rly-yd03.mail.aol.com [172.18.150.3]) by air-yd05.mx.aol.com (v56.26) with SMTP; Sun, 21 Feb 1999 22:34:19 -0500 Received: from bl-14.rootsweb.com (bl-14.rootsweb.com [204.212.38.30]) by rly-yd03.mx.aol.com (8.8.8/8.8.5/AOL-4.0.0) with ESMTP id WAA25197; Sun, 21 Feb 1999 22:34:11 -0500 (EST) Received: (from slist@localhost) by bl-14.rootsweb.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id TAA07907; Sun, 21 Feb 1999 19:17:50 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Sun, 21 Feb 1999 19:17:50 -0800 (PST) From: WKelly4901@aol.com Message-ID: <53d32116.36d0ce0e@aol.com> Date: Sun, 21 Feb 1999 22:25:02 EST Old-To: HARRIS-VA-L@rootsweb.com Old-Cc: HARRIS-HUNTERS-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Nathanielmand Martha Byars HARRIS, Again! X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 4 Resent-Message-ID: <"MQS1GC.A.b6B.axM02"@bl-14.rootsweb.com> To: HARRIS-HUNTERS-L@rootsweb.com Resent-From: HARRIS-HUNTERS-L@rootsweb.com X-Mailing-List: <HARRIS-HUNTERS-L@rootsweb.com> archive/latest/2395 X-Loop: HARRIS-HUNTERS-L@rootsweb.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: HARRIS-HUNTERS-L-request@rootsweb.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Dear List, I hope you all have not grown weary of my query. Thanks to all who answered my message. It seems that I should have posted my lines down, complete with locations before. If I had they would not have been as complete or as together as now. Nathaniel Harris and Martha Byars were ma. on May 29, 1788, now this is the same day that their baby daughter, Polly (b. Apr. 1, 1788) was baptized. Their wedding date is recorded in "Thomasson Traces", "History of Louisa" and "The Douglas Register." I have found in my research that Nathan and Nathaniel were names that were used interchangeably. In 1792 I have record of a deed conveying land from Nathaniel and Martha to Dudley P. Ellis "...in Louisa on Gideon's line." The record of Nathaniel's death in Smyth Co., VA indicates he was a Junior. He died 1854 and the age at death (91) indicates he was born Jan. 20, 1763. He served in the VA Continental Army and guarded prisoners. He received a pension at age 58. Martha and Nathaniel lived in KY for a short time because one of their children was born their. By 1810 they were in Washington Co. in a location that became Smyth Co. (My grandmother was born in Seven Mile Ford. Smyth Co. is the location of "Hungry Mother Mountain". Nathaniel and Martha's Children: Polly b. Apr. 1, 1788 Garrett b. Feb. 19 1792 M. Elizabeth Halfacre (I have more about them and a contact or two if any one wants more). John Harris (no information) Susan b. Jun 1, 1796 m. Zadock Sexton. I do not have their children at this time but I think I can get it. James b. about 1797 in KY. m. Nancy Heninger (they were on the 1750 census with children Alfred b. 1830, NATHAN b. 1832 and Louisa b. 1843. No other information at this time. However I may be able to get more). NATHAN b. about 1798 or '99 m. Rachel Cowden and in 1850 they had one child James b. 1835. When Martha died, Old Nathaniel lived with them. NATHANIEL (3RD?) b. 1801 m. Mary Morris (This is my line and as their are so MANY Nathan's and Nathaniel's you can see why I might believe their is a connection to Nathaniel and Catherine Walton HARRIS. However with the response I have receive these last two days, it can't be) Children of Nathaniel and Mary Morris HARRIS: George Epperson HARRIS b. 1824 m. Mary J. Anderson Children: Alonzo N. Harris b. 1855 Margaret H. Harris b. 1856 John H. Harris b. 1858 Lelia J. Harris b. 1859 James Augustus HARRIS m. 1st Martha Jane Patrick 2nd Margaret M. Patrick ( I Have more about their descendants, please ask). William C. HARRIS m. Sarah Hazelett and moved to Indiana (I have some information, but not much) Henry C. HARRIS m. Fannie Fry and moved to Indiana (I have very little about them) NATHANIEL John HARRIS m. Sarah Ann Copenhaver (Again I have some but not much.) John Thomas HARRIS m. Rachel Caroline Porter (these are my g-grandparents who move to Iowa in 1885 or so. I have tons on them, including pictures and a memoirs of the civil war from J.T. himself. I have just found two second cousins who I found because they were stuck at John Thomas Harris) I have some other Unrelated Iowa Harrises that I would be glad to share. Alfred J. HARRIS b. 1840 m. Mary Elizabeth Box (no other info) Susannah J. HARRIS b. 1842 not married. Mary C. HARRIS b. 1844 m. George Fog Wolfe (no other info) Now, the 1850 Census of Smyth has some other Harrises who I have not yet identified. It seems that they could have all come to Washington Smyth at the same time. 1. Lysander age 21 2. Thomas age 62 and his wife Mary age 52. Children Martha A. age 24; Emily B. age 19; Hiram A. age 15; Walter L. age 13; Rees T age 11; and William H. age 9. 3. Henry and Lucinda Chapman Harris both age 40 with children, Mary E. age 15; Nancy age 13; Susan age 11; John age 9; Helen age 7; NATHAN age 5: and Henry T. age 1. The child Nathan is a clue to me that they may be related to my line. 4. Lilburn H. age 31 and Phebe age 28 and children Mary Elizabeth age 8; Rebecca Jane age 5; William A. age 3; and Anna or Hannah Caroline age 1. Someone working on this line has more information than I do. The birth, death, deed and will records are in good shape in Smyth. 5. Mary HARRIS AGE 22 I also have a Benjamin HARRIS who was deeded land in 1799 in Washington Co. I have not found him later. If this is helpful to anyone and I can provide more I will be very happy. If anyone is searching any of these lines and has more, lets share. I will be looking for more information about the "unidentified but who are possibly related" group. If any of you know more about them let me know the may give me a clue about the origin of "Old Nathaniel Jr. from Louisa. Cheers, Wilma Kelly Wkelly4901@aol.com --part0_919654797_boundary--

hi helen I am new to the list. I am searching for an Isaac Jackson' s parents. he had a son named Elijah and a daughter (my 2nd great grandmother). could this be your Elijah? loretta

Hello, is anyone out there doing any work on the JACKSON and HALL families? I am searching for any information I can find on ELIJAH JACKSON and ELIZABETH HALL who were married in Scott Co. VA in l818. They were listed in the l820 census of Scott Co. but they had moved to KY by l830 and later moved to Wayne Co. VA/WV. I have good documentation on this couple's descendants and would be willing to share information. Thanks for any help. Helen

Hi, guys -- What are green beans? String/snap beans? I remember Kentucky Wonders as being yellow -- at least when they came out of a can. Lima beans -- aren't they green? I grew up in the suburbs of Richmond from the 30's on, and I never heard anyone say "green beans." Except for a New Yorker, once, and I think he'd been drinking. Maybe it's the advertising people who did it, trying to get away from the idea of the strings -- which were a nuisance. First we had string beans (though my country relatives called them snaps, and the Department of Agriculture called them snap beans)-- then we had stringless beans -- are they now green beans? Why such an ambiguous term? Interestingly enough, I was surprised recently when preparing string beans for the first time since the 50's. I snapped them and tried to pull the strings -- and guess what? They didn't have any! What hath God wrought? Tom Robertson ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Subject: Re: Beans & beds > Date: Sun, 21 Feb 1999 10:08:33 -0500 > From: "Edgar A. Howard" <ehoward@conknet.com> > To: SW_VA-L@rootsweb.com > > Date sent: Sun, 21 Feb 1999 01:43:17 EST > To: ehoward@conknet.com > Subject: Re: Beans & beds > > <<Please tell me you are kidding? > > When I ask for clarification of the terms it was not for myself. > Remember that I speak for the List and not just myself. I know what a > feather tick is. We never dried green beans, we canned them. Why > would someone dry what they could can??

sorry

Mr. Howard: I've just recently subscribed to SW VA rootsweb and will need to know the definitions of some of the abbreviations and words used in geneology lists. Would you please tell me what "'Roll Calls' or such by other names" means, as stated as your footnote at the of some messages. Hope I don't sound too stupid. Thanks a lot. Ruth Doss Hanley

after listening to all this talk I feel like I must have been a Prince. Can't remember not having my own room and full size bed (which I still have and use), born and raised in the big city of Charleston, WV, youngest of 3 boys -- 8 years younger than the closest so almost like an only child.. food I remember and long for that my grandmother made ocassionally ... spoon bread and brown betty and hard sauce.. Fred P.