Hi, I wish I was full of beans.....I think we will be having some for dinner right soon! Pinto beans are a mottled kidney bean Navy bean is a white kidney bean, or white bean Black eyed peas are also cow peas We grew all of these in Virginia. Wonder why they are so much better than the store bought dried beans. In California some of the Mexican food has Pinquito beans a small pink-brown bean, they are about the size of a black bean. Lived in S. CA 15 years and N. CA for 14, but never have seen a Cramberry bean here. Maybe it is another name for Pinquito bean. Can someone please pass the corn bread? BTW, Many Virginian's came out to CA during the 1800's. I have traced several branches of my family to Northern CA. They built homes, businesses, towns and ran stage coach lines. Petaluma, CA during the War Between the States was divided as to which side you believed in. There is a Civil War Fort at the base of the Golden Gate Bridge. Take time to find it and visit if you are ever in the San Francisco area. I took my 73 year old father, a born and raised SW Virginian, there when he visited. He was surprised and enjoyed it very much. My best, Rebecca Sonoma Co., CA Researching in NC-VA-WV: BAILEY*BLACKBURN*BLANKENSHIP*BROOKS BROWN*CEYPHERS*CLANCY*COPENHAVER*COX FERRELL*GOODE*HARDY*LILLY*LOCKE*MALLERY MEADOR*MENDENHALL*MOODY*MOSIER*NAPIER PITTMAN*RAGLAND*ROLLER*SHUPE*SLEMP*SMITH STEELE*TUCKER*WHISMAN

Kathy, Do you have a Mandy Johnson Mullins from Coeburn, VA (Wise Co)? Thanks, Gloria Dixon gldixon@rhtc.net Kathy Bemisdarfer wrote: > > I just got home after being gone for 3 days, Had 101 E-mails. But loved > everyone of them. > I am only 46 years old, but do remember my Grandmother feather bed, Shuck > Beans, (or Leather Britches) I even help to string the Green Beans on the > heavy twin and got my fingers stuck many time. > I had forgotten about taking the broom to smooth at the feather bed. It > came back to me as soon as I > read the story of making the bed. Now we called the bacon that you put in > the Pinto Beans, Fat Back. > To those of you who do not know what that is, It is Salt cured pork. > Thanks for all the stories, it makes > me Homesick. I live in the Midwest now. > > I am Researching on Davis, Vance, Horn, 2-Lester sides, Webbs, Baker's, > Mullins, Stewarts, Rife's, > Peaks, These Names reach from Wise Co., VA, to Buchanan Co., VA, Letcher > Co., Ky and then into > Southern WV. > Kathy > > ==== SW_VA Mailing List ==== > #7 "Roll Calls" or such by other names are to be called > by the SYSOP ONLY. NO WARNINGS!! Each member is free to post their > SURNAMES anytime they please.

Lancaster, KY RE: Map order PLEASE CONTACT ME. -sysop

you talked about pickled beans!!!! have you ever had mixed pickles or as some call it pickle lilly.. you fix it in a churn and let it work before you can it. you take green beans ( half white runners) cabbage green tomatoes onions corn, hot pepper and put in the churn. with a little salt cover the churn with cheese cloth let it work for a about two to three weeks then you put it canning jars and seal. in the winter you fix some soup beans (pinto) boiled potatoes, corn bread turnip greens open up a jar of the mixed pickles fry it and you have a meal fit for a king . OH!! I almost for got get you a good piece of salt bacon slice it and fry some of it also and watch your old blood ps. go up but the meal is worth it. -----Original Message----- From: zandra s walker <ZWALKERMBROWN@prodigy.net> To: SW_VA-L@rootsweb.com <SW_VA-L@rootsweb.com> Date: Sunday, February 21, 1999 7:21 PM Subject: Unidentified subject! >Hi all, >I have really enjoyed all the talk about leather britches and feather beds >and how about pickled beans my favorate. Without the stories about the >times and the lives of the people, genealogy is nothing but a name and a >date. I had forgotten about my grandmothers beans until ya'll started >talking about them and all the old memories came flooding in. The stories >about the depression have given me new insite into my grandmothers' >personality. >Thanks to all >Zandra > > > >==== SW_VA Mailing List ==== >#8 Anyone interested and researching SW VA and Appalachian history might >be interested in the Fincastle History Forum list. Contact Edgar at >ehoward@conknet.com or swvaroot@swva.net for a copy of the rules. >

Several years ago a fellow named Wiley J. Smith of Bristol Tn.-Va. wrote a book which all bean lovers should have. I think the title was "The Bean Bible" and it had every recipe for every knid of bean there ever was..Three or four hundred pages! Beans! Beans! Beans and more Beans! It was sold at several tourists spots in southwest Va. and East Tn....and probably in bookstores..This man is also a song writer, having written several songs recorded by Conway Twitty and Loretta Lynn...His father was recorded by the National Archives for posterity.. G. Lee Hearl Abingdon, Va...

On Jan. 30, 1852 John CAYLOR of Washington Co., VA made his will. A court held for Washington County the 26th day of Dec., 1853 shows John is deceased. In John's will one of the children was Catherine POE. Catherine's part was later sold by Jonathan GOBBLE and his wife, Amelia CAYLOR GOBBLE, this was on 26th Nov., 1859. We don't know if Amelia was a daughter left off of will or as we believe a granddaughter. Several years later in Texas CO., MO Willis CAYLOR, great grandson of John CAYLOR hired a man named James Everett POE to work for him. According to some old newspapers in that area the day that James heard his father had died in VA., Willis CAYLOR and his wife came to spend the day. James Everett POE was the son of Jeremiah Thomas and Celia ANDERS POE. Jeremiah died April 15, 1917, Grayson Co., VA. His death certificate shows parents unknown, that he was born 1833 in Pittsyvania CO., VA. Jeremiah POE, age 17 was living with Enoch OSBORN on the 1850 Grayson CO., VA census. In 1860, Grayson CO., VA census he was married to Celia and they had one child. Has anyone researched this POE line and does anyone know who his parents were? I am trying to find out if he could be the son of Catherine POE who was sister of George CAYLOR both children of John CAYLOR of Washington Co., VA. Marguerette zmpowell@horizon.hit.net

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Are you referring to Piccalilli which is also called Green Tomato Relish? My mother canned that every year we were kids. I never had a fondness for Green Fried Tomatoes but my youngest daughter can't wait to raid our garden for them. Now, myself, I liked the fried Eggplant or a good Zucchini Casserole (substitute Zucchini rather than lasagne noodles except you have to dip in egg and roll in flour to brown first). It's a must at our family reunion every July. I get stuck with making two 15" baking dishes. The eggplant can also be used as the Zucchini casserole. To each persons individual taste, says I. Can also be doctored up with some hot peppers mixed in the sauce. Antoinette roger napier wrote: > you talked about pickled beans!!!! have you ever had mixed pickles or as > some call it pickle lilly.. > > you fix it in a churn and let it work before you can it. you take green > beans ( half white runners) cabbage green tomatoes onions corn, hot pepper > and put in the churn. with a little salt cover the churn with cheese cloth > let it work for a about two to three weeks then you put it canning jars and > seal. in the winter you fix some soup beans (pinto) boiled potatoes, corn > bread turnip greens open up a jar of the mixed pickles fry it and you have a > meal fit for a king . OH!! I almost for got get you a good piece of salt > bacon slice it and fry some of it also and watch your old blood ps. go up > but the meal is worth it. > -----Original Message----- > From: zandra s walker <ZWALKERMBROWN@prodigy.net> > To: SW_VA-L@rootsweb.com <SW_VA-L@rootsweb.com> > Date: Sunday, February 21, 1999 7:21 PM > Subject: Unidentified subject! > > >Hi all, > >I have really enjoyed all the talk about leather britches and feather beds > >and how about pickled beans my favorate. Without the stories about the > >times and the lives of the people, genealogy is nothing but a name and a > >date. I had forgotten about my grandmothers beans until ya'll started > >talking about them and all the old memories came flooding in. The stories > >about the depression have given me new insite into my grandmothers' > >personality. > >Thanks to all > >Zandra > > > > > > > >==== SW_VA Mailing List ==== > >#8 Anyone interested and researching SW VA and Appalachian history might > >be interested in the Fincastle History Forum list. Contact Edgar at > >ehoward@conknet.com or swvaroot@swva.net for a copy of the rules. > > > > ==== SW_VA Mailing List ==== > #3 Support the fight against unrequested junk e-mail (SPAM). > Visit the webpage at: http://www.cauce.org/ > -sysop -- Researching: Alkire, Breckenridge, Burton, Cann, Claypool(e), Denton, Daugherty, Dunbar, Evans, Gorrell, Hagan, Jimenez, Keel, Keith, Kern/es, Ladner, Lawler, Leffler, Littell, Merrifield, Norris, Pettyjohn, Ponsler, Robertson, Robinson, Rogers, Sinex, Sinnickson, Stiddem/Stidham, Tossawa/Tussey, Vantreese, Wachtel/Waughtel, Walker, White, Wilcox, Winfield

Well, I don't cook soup beans myself . But I do love them. I buy Luck's Beans in the can and they are the closest to home cooked as you can get, but I'm not used to the fatback in them. I am not an expert on beans but I have made the following observations: Soup beans to my family is October beans the bag of dry beans says Cranberry beans). Occasionally, we have white beans, Great Northern beans on the bag. Then there is Navy beans. Navy beans are smaller than Great Northern beans and Navy beans are used by my family for pork and beans and baked beans. I've enjoyed the discussions on family traditions. Searching: KENT, CLARK, TOLBERT, CATES, BOUTON, BOND & others Thanks, Angie jadds@bellatlantic.net

If I hear any more 'bout beans, I think I may not eat them anymore.....and I may cough up a few feathers! (just light-hearted humor guys.) I thought this was a genealogy linked chat.

As a kid, when we had to snap beans on the back porch, I remember sometimes the whole family would get involved. My Dad, who is a tease, used to always comment on a bean that was hard to "string"... Dad would say, "That's a tough one." We'd ask: "What's tough?" Dad: "Life." We'd ask: "What's Life?" Dad: "A magazine." We'd ask: "How much it cost?" Dad: "50 cents." We'd say: "Haven't got 50 cents." Dad: "That's tough..." Anyway, you get the idea. One of us would always chime in and play the game. Sometimes we'd go round and round with it while we were snapping those beans. And there always was at least a bushel of them it seemed. I'm sure my Dad was probably trying to make the work seem less tedious. Mostly though, it was an opportunity for our parents to talk about the old times, the stories, and the people they used to know. It was at times like this that I learned the names of great and great great grandparents, uncles, aunts, etc. Oral history is a lost art. When I take my kids to see their grandparents today, I encourage my parents to tell the stories so that my children can hear them. We seldom have the television on at Grampa's. Next time I'll tell you about my Granny threatening us that she'd sew us up with purple thread... Cheers! This is the most enjoyable list! S. Henrichsen

>But maybe I am just a "poor dumb Hick". After all, I grew up poor and my great grandmother was a Hicks. Though, as I recall, SHE wasn't dumb at all!< Charles,Wondering if your Hicks and my Hicks are connected? My GGGM was Elizabeth Hicks d/o William & Elizabeth Hicks. William was the s/o John Hicks a Rev War vet b 1759 in Henrico Co Va. He died in Hw Co Tn 1840. Roy/Ala

In a message dated 2/22/99 10:20:24 AM EST, rdnapier@citlink.net writes: << you talked about pickled beans!!!! have you ever had mixed pickles or as some call it pickle lilly.. >> I will definitely have to make some of that! What we used to make..we also called piccalilly but it did not have the beans it it..it had cabbage, any kind of peppers, spices and was pickled and served over hot pinto beans! Yumm Deborah

Well Eddie we knock heads again....thansk for responding to my private email to you on the list! Eddie: I am under 40....and...as you said many people form all over subscribe to this list...not everyone celebrates Sabbath on Sundays...sorry if I bored you! PS.Yes this is a FLAME. Deborah Shelton Wood your msg below: Date sent: Sun, 21 Feb 1999 01:43:17 EST To: ehoward@conknet.com Subject: Re: Beans & beds <<Please tell me you are kidding? When I ask for clarification of the terms it was not for myself. Remember that I speak for the List and not just myself. I know what a feather tick is. We never dried green beans, we canned them. Why would someone dry what they could can?? Remember that there are 500 people out there when you post. Please be mindful in several ways. 1) Don't bore people. 2) Most of those 500 people didn't grow up in YOUR home, or town , or state. Some may even be under 40 years old and don't recall the olden days. God forbid they may have had to grow up in the city. 3) Define terms that are not heard on the TV. There is nothing more boring than reading something you don't understand. This List is not here for a few people to chat but to help EVERYONE. 4) These discussions of the old ways are very interesting, entertaining, and helpful but please restrain yourself from telling old family stories that convey no historic or genealogical info. Thank you all and good Sabbath. -sysop

Beans by any other name tastes as sweet! My 2 cents worth..you are all right! Having lived in several areas of the US..I can say with some authority that.....Pintos beans are not the same beans everywhere you go..for example..habichuelos rosadas (red beans) are also called pintos in some area of the Southwest....being from SW Virginia the pintos here are speckled two shades of brown..turn brownish red when cooked....Eddie..please tell me you are not serious about your remarks regarding CA food...I'd rather think you are open minded enough to realize that he "melting pot" of this country contains yes....all kinds of beans! I'm hoping you are just using your good sense of humor to "stir" the pot a little? Or is it true what they say about us hicks being narrow minded? Deborah Shelton Wood soon to be ex-ed from the list? oops! did I spill the beans?

My roots run deep into the mountains of TN, GA, SC, NC, and VA. But they also include some fine Yankee people. I love southern food but I readily eat northern and western food too. I even eat food that comes from other Non-American cultures. My ancestors fought on both sides in the Civil War, War Between the States, War for States Rights, War to Preserve/Abolish Slavery.... In one of my NC families, twin brothers fought on opposite sides! I've voted for Dwight Eisenhower and John Kennedy. I've met Ronald Reagan and Bobby Kennedy and I don't think Ronnie was a fascist nor Bobby was a socialist. But maybe I am just a "poor dumb Hick". After all, I grew up poor and my great grandmother was a Hicks. Though, as I recall, SHE wasn't dumb at all! Now if you would like to help me with my genealogy problems..... How about helping me find where and to what parents my ggg-grandparents, John STARNES and Sarah Jane ADAMS were born, somewhere in SW VA around 1775? Lots of <g>'s so nobody takes offense! Charles Ed Starnes "Edgar A. Howard" wrote: > > << the movie OCTOBER SKY > > If we are treated fairly, yes, I want to see it. Even TN Williams, > and Falkner made us look nuts and wild.<g> > > That was Bobby Kennedy trying to sell socialism because us > dumb hicks were so poor. Have you eat yankee food or food in CA?? I > won't feed my dog that stuff. As others have said, we had the best > cooks in the world. If my mother had raised those Kennedy boys they > would have been better presidients, and men.<g.> > -eddie > > > ==== SW_VA Mailing List ==== > #9 As of 2/7/1999 we have 475 members. Traffic can get heavy so check your > mailbox often. We should regulate traffic so it don't get out of hand. > There is an average of ten members coming and going each week. > -sysop

In Shreveport I ate red beans (with rice). In Miami I ate black beans (also with rice). In Houston I ate kidney beans in chilli and brown beans with cornbread. In Detroit I ate white Northern (also called Navy) beans with cornbread and the cornbread had SUGAR in it. :-( Here in Kentucky when the menu says "Soup Beans and C/B" you can bet it will be brown pintos cooked for hours and served with chopped onions. Accompaniments are usually fried potatoes, sauerkrout or a green tomato relish. To the writer who had never heard of green beans: What do the labels in your grocery say? My Stokely and Del Monte labels don't say snap or string, but they do say Green Beans. Sue McN.

I just got home after being gone for 3 days, Had 101 E-mails. But loved everyone of them. I am only 46 years old, but do remember my Grandmother feather bed, Shuck Beans, (or Leather Britches) I even help to string the Green Beans on the heavy twin and got my fingers stuck many time. I had forgotten about taking the broom to smooth at the feather bed. It came back to me as soon as I read the story of making the bed. Now we called the bacon that you put in the Pinto Beans, Fat Back. To those of you who do not know what that is, It is Salt cured pork. Thanks for all the stories, it makes me Homesick. I live in the Midwest now. I am Researching on Davis, Vance, Horn, 2-Lester sides, Webbs, Baker's, Mullins, Stewarts, Rife's, Peaks, These Names reach from Wise Co., VA, to Buchanan Co., VA, Letcher Co., Ky and then into Southern WV. Kathy

I think you are all full of beans. <g> Pinto are not red. Red beans are red. Pinto are speckled with dry and brown. We called them Pintos, brown beans, or soup beans. Some people call the white, or Navy beans, soup beans too. In S. CA. they were called something else. I think cramberry beans. The Mexicans eat them like crazy. Have you heard of October beans? Are they different from pintos?? I think it is time to move on to another course in this meal. Did any of your people make cheese?? We made cottage cheeze. -eddie

When my Pinto Beans are cooked they are red, not brown unless I am cooking them to have with Bar-b-que, we even call them "red beans"and they are for sopping, or covered with onions and tomatoes or even pica deguyo. They are cooked fro about 4/5 hours real slow in a certian kind of pot ( and they get really red), adding water (hot) when needed. , and then just the last few minutes I had butter adn salt. I cook my black eyed peas the same. And both come out delicous. I also add bacon to the beans while cooking. My beans and my deviled eggs are very popular in our family and hte neighborhood. Margie -----Original Message----- From: RENA WORTHEN <doreatr@rbnet.com> To: SW_VA-L@rootsweb.com <SW_VA-L@rootsweb.com> Date: Sunday, February 21, 1999 8:53 PM Subject: Pinto Beans /Correction >Kidney Beans are RED excellent in Chili. >Pinto beans are brown and white when cooked they are brown. and are eaten >with Cornbread. Pinto beans is a good source of protein >Green Beans cooked with new potatos and bacon yummm > >Time for a snack.. > >---------- >From: Diane Taylor <djtaylor@puc.edu> >To: SW_VA-L@rootsweb.com >Subject: Re: Green Beans >Date: Sunday, February 21, 1999 7:50 PM > >Just another perspective: > >In Washington State, where I grew up, the fresh green beans were called >snap beans or green beans. They were picked green and my grandmother and >mother used to sit for hours and "snap" (break) them into about >inch-size pieces to can. They were also sometimes called string beans, I >assume because of the "string" along the one side that was pulled off >during the snapping process. > >We also raised lima beans (you shelled those) and pinto beans, which >were indeed, red. > >Diane > > >==== SW_VA Mailing List ==== >#3 Support the fight against unrequested junk e-mail (SPAM). >Visit the webpage at: http://www.cauce.org/ > -sysop > > >==== SW_VA Mailing List ==== >#5 It is YOUR responsibility to know how to SUBSCRIBE & UNSUBSCRIBE. It is done >by computer. Put the word SUBSCRIBE in the body of the message with nothing >else. The address is sw_va-l-request@rootsweb.com . or -d- for DIGEST mode. >All this is in the Welcome statement I ask you to save. -sysop >