Hello everyone, Since Eddie said I should post parts of the King Mt. story to the list I guess that is what I'll do. You still need to e-mail me if you want the battllefield diagram. Ward, Christopher, 1952, The War of the Revolution, MacMillan Company, W5644 CHAPTER 67 King's Mountain Sir Henry Clinton in New York was commander in chief of all His Majesty's forces in America. He had instructed Cornwallis to make the security of South Carolina, with its important port of Charleston, his main object, aiming to hold fast to what was won and not to risk it by bold and hazardous adventure. He had in mind as his next possible move the occupation of Delaware, perhaps during the following summer, with the considerable Tory element to render his army's subsistence there easy. But, even if this were not undertaken, he felt that, holding New York, South Carolina, and Georgia, he could carry on a war of attrition until the rebels were worn out and save for Britain at least a considerable part of her colonies, if not all. After the destruction of Gates's army at Camden, Cornwallis was in practically undisputed possession of South Carolina and Georgia; a period of mere holding on to what he had would have fulfilled his duty to his superior. Clinton had, however, guardedly suggested that the conquest of North Carolina would be acceptable, provided that it could be accomplished without jeopardizing his hold on the other two states. This suggestion gave Cornwallis a chance to do what he wanted; he Was all for an aggressive war. Unless North Carolina were conquered and possessed, he said, it would endanger his posts to the southward; he might be compelled to abandon all he had gained and take refuge within the fortifications of Charleston. After North Carolina, he saw himself taking Virginia; then the rest of the south up to Pennsylvania "would fall without much resistance and be retained without much difficulty."'He had arranged with Clinton to send his reports directly to the Ministry in London as well as to New York, thus in effect short-circuiting Clinton. The home government was induced to believe in his plans and later instructed Clinton to fall in with them. Now, it seemed to Cornwallis, was the opportune time to carry them out. Cornwallis had concentrated his forces at Camden after Gates's defeat. There he had been reenforced by the arrival of the 7th British regiment (Royal Fusiliers) from Charleston and by some additions to his Tory regiments. From that point he now moved north in two divisions. The principal one, led by himself, comprised the 7th, 23rd, 33rd, and 71st regiments of infantry, the Volunteers of Ireland, Hamilton's and Bryan's North Carolina Tory regiments, and a detachment of horse, with four guns. It marched, on September 8, north up the left (east) side of the Wateree towards the Waxhaws. A secondary force led by Tarleton, comprising the British Legion cavalry and infantry and an additional detachment of light infantry with one small field piece, marched parallel with the other up the right side of the river. At the Waxhaws, Cornwallis encamped on the left side of the river, there called the Catawba, its course at that point being from west to east. Tarleton's force made its camp on the right side at Wahab's plantation some distance away. The American Colonel William Davie was in the neighborhood with 80 dragoons and two small companies of riflemen, commanded by Major George Davidson, the only regularly armed body of patriot troops in the whole state. Early in the morning of September 21, Davie approached Wahab's plantation. He found the cavalry of the Legion already in their saddles in a body near the house. He sent Davidson with most of the riflemen around through a cornfield, which would conceal their approach, to take the house in the rear. Leading his horsemen and the rest of the Sorry to end this mid sentence,but this is one full page ready to print. I'll send the next parts latter on. Debra Clark ASBURY,JONES,LINKOUS,WHITT,CECIL,CLAYPOOLE

KENTUCKY ROAD The early trails/roads of SW VA is one of my favorite subject over the past three years. I have posted an article I wrote two years ago to the List. What makes it hard is that most trails or roads had more than one name, or a different name for a different segment of the roads, and often had different branches or spurs. Larry Fleenor in The Bear Grass says the Kentucky Road was also called the Wilderness Road, the Great Warrior's Path, the Boone Trail, or the Main Western Road. I used primarily his data to show the Road on the Scott Co. map. It shows it running from south of Weber City thru Gate City, then to Speers Ferry, up to Duffield, then over the mtn. to Jonesville passing Stickleyville. I also included the Fincastle Road he discribes. In Scott Co. it runs from east of Dungannon down the river and "through Fort Blackmore to state [route] 649. It joins the Wilderness/KY Road "on Stock Creek via the Rainbow Bridge." He says that some locals still call it the Fincastle Road. I have traced the Fincastle Road from Fincastle to Newport, Giles Co. thru the Narrows and up Wolf Creek to Tazewell and then to near Castlewood. The USGS topo maps show a Blue Grass trail running from Newport Giles Co. to Saltville following State route #42 and further down the North Fork. There was a Cumberland road they went from Narrows up Green River to Bluefield and Tazewell. There is some question after that but I suppose that it goes to the Cumberland Gap give its name. Roads get names from where they go. I believe that a major road came down the Great Valley of VA mostly following U.S. Hwy 11, the Robert E. Lee Hwy. In Wash. Co. there was a Reedy Creek road and Island Creek Road. Part of Reedy Creek road is the Black Hollow road. A major road is mentioned on deeds in that area. I don't say that this is for sure. I only know that this is what my limited research shows. I'm open to documented correction. -eddie . . . get a life. Eternal Life!

I am researching on the Henry Davis family that appears on the 1850 Tazewell Co., VA Census Family listed is; #1003 Henry Davis 40 Cyphy (Sytha or Sitha) 36 Betsy 17 Kissia 15 Adam 12 Ben 10 John 8 Gerry (Jerimiah) 6 Henry 4 I have no proof of who the parents are for Henry Davis, I assume to be Henry Davis and Sarah Mallett, If anyone is working on these Davis please email me direct thank you. Adam was in the 39th Ky. Mounted Infantry and was killed on Jan 1, 1863, He was shot, also killed at the same time was George Washington Charles. They were considered deserters, but had never joined the Confedrate lines. They were captured by the Conf Unit and executed while all were made to watch. I have no proof yet but think that George Washington Charles was Adam Davis' brother in law, as Adam's wifes name was Clarissa Charles. The obit. for Elder David Davis of the Elkhorn Prmitive Baptist Church Minutes states that She and Adam were Elder David Davis parents. He died in 1925. this is the date of the Minutes that I have. That he was a son of a Civil War Veteran that was killed in the Civil War.

Hello everyone, I have a copy of the story and history of King's Mountain from "The War of the Revolution" by Christopher Ward, 1952, MacMilan Company, Chapter 67, with the battlefield diagram from Vol 1 of 2 Volumns. Anyone who would like a copy can privately e-mail me, no cost involved and I would be happy to email the story and diagram (8 pages). Debra Clark debradclark@worldnet.att.net

Mary, <<Does anyone know just where the "Kentucky Road" was in 1790 in SW VA?>> It is shown on my Scott Co. map. It is described in detail in Larry Fleenor's book, The Bear Grass. I'm boxing up so I don't have the details. It went from Gate City to Duffield, to Jonesville, and on to the Gap. -eddie . . . get a life. Eternal Life!

Does anyone know just where the "Kentucky Road" was in 1790 in SW VA? Mary msouth@ic.net

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I am researching the following family: GENERATION 1 THOMAS BILL SHORT -m-[bef 1850’s or 1860’s] ELLA HARRIS (see note: 1) children of THOMAS BILL & ELLA HARRIS: 1. THOMAS PATTON (PAT) SHORT d: 1942 -m- PEARLIE MASSINGILL 2. WILLIAM J. SHORT -m- DONA LAWSON 3. JOHN SHORT -m- SALLY SANDERS 4. ANDY SHORT -m- ??? LIFORD 5. CHARLIE SHORT 6. MILTON BURG SHORT (see note: 2) b: abt 1850’s or 1860's in WASHINGTON CO., VA d: abt 1918 in or near CHELSIA or TULSA, OK -m- bef 1898 to BETTY ELIZABETH SAUL (see note: 3 & 4) 7. MARTHA SHORT 8. RILDIE SHORT GENERATION 2 children of MILTON BURG SHORT & BETTY ELIZABETH SAUL: 1. CHARLIE SHORT b: 1898 d: 1898 2. FOY BLAIN SHORT b: 4-28-1900 in VA d: 12-13-1942 in LEE CO., ROSE HILL, VA buried: MACLIN CEMETERY, ROSE HILL, VA -m- TAMAR ELLISON abt 1925 3. NONA WILLIE SHORT b: July 1902 d: 1902 4. ORA CAMM SHORT b: 6-1-1905 in WASHINGTON CO., VA -m- WILLIAM H. GENTRY 5. KATHERINE ELIZABETH SHORT b: 4-3-1905 in WASHINGTON CO., VA -m- ??? BLACKWELL 6. ROSA MAE SHORT b: 5-24-1913 in SPOTTSYLVANIA CO., VA -m- HORACE KING SANDRIDGE NOTES: 1. ELLA HARRIS is suppose to have a brother named JOHN HARRIS 2. Known as BURG SHORT. 3. MILTON BURG & BETTY ELIZABETH divorced aft 1913. 4. BETTY ELIZABETH SAUL d/o THOMAS H. SAUL & MARY ELIZABETH STEPHENS ----------------------------- Thanks, Kathy

Hello Mary, You write: << Does anyone know just where the "Kentucky Road" was in 1790 in SW VA? >> My notes: In the land grants and deeds around Dungannon, Scott County, VA., of that period and time 1780-1800+), the deeds show that the Kentucky Road came from Castewood (Castle's Woods at that time) down to Dungannon. Of course at that time, there was no Dungannon but the area was called "Hunter's Ford" and later "Osborne's Ford" because of a ford of the Clinch River here. The road then proceeded northwest over to Hunter's Valley and then southwest down Hunter's Valley to what is today Duffield, Scott County, Va. where it joined up with the Wilderness Road to Kentucky. Jerry in Kingsport, TN

sysop, What's the Netscape-MAC problem? email me direct. -- Carlisle Skeen 220 Wolf Hall U of Delaware Newark, DE 19716 Phone: (302) 831-8060 Fax: (302) 831-3645

It runs parallel with State Rd 659 which extends from Beech Spring to basically Ben Hur. About 10 miles in length.

My grandmother served corn at nearly every meal. I especially remember having it for breakfast. Anyone got any ideas why? It's one of those questions you have as a kid and no one could/would answer. Sharon

This was sent to the wrong address. -sysop ------- Forwarded Message Follows ------- Date sent: Tue, 23 Feb 1999 18:27:36 -0800 (PST) From: dtc-jlc@ix.netcom.com To: SW_VA-D-request@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: BEANS No, although I am related by marriage to them...just wanted to note my preference is for Navy Beans over Pintos. And where I come from you cook the **** out of them for about a day and a half with salt pork (the fattier the better). Same is true of leatherbritches and plain old string beans. Buon appetit! And if any of ya'll have seen my relatives, please give me a holler: CHAFIN, HORN, CRUM, SALMONS, LEWIS, MILLS, CARTMELL, JOHNSON, BURCHETT, HAMMOND(S), MULLENS, ROWLAND, SIMPKINS, HENSLEY, FRANKLIN, FRALEY/FRILEY, CUMPTON, VANBIBBER, SLOAN, VAWTER, CARTER (Bailey Carter), GIDDENS, and many more from the region. Always willing to share... David David & Jayne Chafin . . . get a life. Eternal Life!

Okay, I know there were forty-'leven James MONTGOMERYs in SW Virginia in the early to mid 1800s. In seven years of searching I have not found one link to mine. Maybe someone on this list will recognize a spouse's name. James was born in VA in 1815. He m. Lucretia Belle NORRIS (b. 1819 TN). He appears on the 1840,50,60 and 70 Washington Co. Census. Moved to KY in 1873. Marriage license not yet found. His children of record are Thomas King Montgomery, b. 1836, m. Sarah Ellen DAVIDSON in Smythe Co. and daughter Louisa, b. 1839. She m. first Samuel SAUL, Washington Co. 1855 and second, Benjamine MOREFIELD in 1858. A deed in Washington Co. says James, Sr. (was there a James, Jr.??) and Thomas together purchased 132 acres in Poor Valley in 1863 for $1000. My grandfather's (son of Thomas) birth record gave their address as Saltville. Family tradition is that two brothers came from Ireland as stowaways during the French and Indian Wars. Their family later sent them a shipment of linen to sell. I spent a wonderful week in beautiful Abingdon and Marion. This, plus the fact that Thomas had been a Constable, was all I could find. Does anyone have any suggestions,please? Sue McNaught

I just returned after 3 days and was overwhelmed with all the email messages. RE: Pinto Beans aka Soup Beans. Yes, Pintos are speckled and when they are cooked, they do have a brownish color. Green Beans: There are various varieties. My mother always preferred White Half-runners. They were also string beans. When the beans were what she considered "too full", she shelled the beans, throwing away the hulls, calling them Shelly Beans. I had an older brother who would have eaten soup beans for breakfast. Without soup beans (pintos) in the winter and green beans in the summer, feeding a large family would have been quite a task for my mother. But, while the whole family was enjoying those beans with fried potatoes, onions, and cornbread, I was fixing myself a scrambled egg sandwich. Never liked beans of any kind!

Eddie (and others), Thanks for the suggestion, Eddie! I hope you don't mind me adding the list to my reply because I have a follow up question. I followed your suggestion and found a John STARNES listed on Russell County tax lists for years 1798-1800. Don't know if that is my John STARNES but it very well could be. I also went to the local LDS Family History Center and searched their databases for marriage of my John STARNES and Sarah Jane ADAMS. I found that somebody (unidentified) had filed a report showing a marriage of John STARNES and Jane ADAMS (no mention of first name Sarah) for 1794 in Surry County, VA. No further information or source notes were given. Now my question. I am pretty sure that John and Sarah were both living in SW VA at the time; but Surry County is all the way over to the Tidewater coast. How likely, given what you know of the history of that time and area, is it that this couple would have gone over there to get married? Since there is a Surry Co., NC, just over the border, is it more likely that they were married there and the LDS file is in error? Was the border between VA and NC even firmly established in 1794? Just more puzzles for me to ponder. Any thoughts would be appreciated. Charles Ed Starnes "Edgar A. Howard" wrote: > > Date sent: Sun, 21 Feb 1999 21:13:01 -0800 > From: "Charles E. Starnes" <starnesc@ucs.orst.edu> > To: "Edgar A. Howard" <ehoward@conknet.com> > Copies to: SW_VA-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: not exactly genealogy > > John STARNES and Sarah Jane ADAMS were born, somewhere in SW VA around > 1775? > > For STARNES I would look in Russell and Scott Co. I can't help > more than that. > -eddie

Can anyone help sysop w/ Netscape on apple MAC ?? Click reply. Thanks. -eddie

Dispite the very cold mornings I will drive to Manchester tomorrow to copy all the maps an start mailing them. Everything is great except the Comt. Frontier Map will be closer to 24" X 18" If that is not acceptable to those who ordered it please let me know. Upon arrival in SW VA I will start with a Lee, Russell & Tazewell Co. map. Of course I will announce it here. -eddie

I think I may have sent more than one copy of my last message..Sorry... GLH