Things seem to be rather quiet lately. I may jar your memory a bit with my question. How many of you remember a "Burma Shave" Jingle? During those long drives with restless, fidgety kids in the backseat, the Burma Shave signs sure came in handy for my parents. They often kept a fight from ensuing in the backseat, causing my dad to threaten us within an inch of our lives. It really doesn't seem that long ago, but "50 years", that's a long time ago! The advertising gimmick began in 1925 and continued to 1963, although they began to disappear long before the early sixties. The jingles covered subject matter pertaining to the times. I, for one, was entertained by them. Not only were the jingles entertaining, but recalling them also jogs the memory re living conditions at the time and those trips we took to Grandma's house. They sometimes helped get my mind off of "upchucking," as I was prone to do every five miles of a long journey over narrow road and hairpin curves. If I may be permitted, I'll give you a sample or two. When the War ended, you may have seen this one: "Hinky Dinky Parlee Voo/Cheer up face/The War is Through/Burma Shave." For a man seeking a lady's affection there was: "He had the ring/He had a flat/But she felt his chin/And that was that/Burma Shave." Also, "The chick he wed/Let out a Whoop/Felt his chin/And flew the Coop/Burma Shave." My favorite was a Safety public service jingle: "They missed the turn/Car was whizz'n/Fault was her'n/Funeral His'n/Burma Shave." Have I jarred your memory? Pat

List, I give up on Eddie's definition of muslin, but I believe the stitching referred to was called smocking. And, what in the world are hipins? That's a new one to me. But it makes me think of step-ins. Anyone know what they are? Once when I was a teen-aged clerk in a dept. store an old fellow asked me for step-ins. I thought of mules, the step-in type houseslippers, and took him there. He turned very red and muttered that his wife needed drawers! Sue McN. > Well, I guess I am wrong. I was thinking of something else. It is a fine >woven cotton from Iraq. > > What is the fine stitching on the front of a dressed called?? You know, the >little stitching on the chested of a little girls dress? My mother used to make >dresses for others and that stitching took forever. I thought that was called >muslin. Memory is the 2d thing to go.<g> >-eddie > > > > ><<Muslin in general is the cheapest type material used for sheets..combed >cotton was the finest type...One could make anything from either >material...but after washing, muslin wasn't much..I have woven both types >of sheeting material..>>> > > >G. Lee Hearl Abingdon, Va.... > > >==== SW_VA Mailing List ==== >#9 As of 2/27/1999 we have 485 members. Traffic can get heavy so check your >mailbox often. We should regulate traffic so it don't get out of hand. >There is an average of ten members coming and going each week. >-sysop > >"Toto, I don't think we are in NH any more." > > >==== SW_VA Mailing List ==== >#5 It is YOUR responsibility to know how to SUBSCRIBE & UNSUBSCRIBE. It is done >by computer. Put the word SUBSCRIBE in the body of the message with nothing >else. The address is sw_va-l-request@rootsweb.com . or -d- for DIGEST mode. >All this is in the Welcome statement I ask you to save. -sysop >

From "Washington County, VA Survey records abstracts 1781-1797 Part 4 of 5 (pages 301-400) Submitted to the USGenWeb archives and copyrighted by Rhonda Robertson rsr@mounet.com" Page 330 - George Gibson - 400 ac - in Powells Valley on the waters of Indian Creek, the waters of Powells River - Commissioners Certificate - beginning at the foot of Cumberland Mountain - on the Kentucky road - crossing the road twice - along the foot of Cumberland Mountain - December 8, 1785...Ambrose Fletcher - 400 ac by settlement made in 1775 - in Powells Valley and known by the name of the Indian old field - August 11, 1781...Assigned to George Gibson August 10, 1785. Signed: Ambrs Fletcher Is this where Gibson Station is today? Part of Lee Co? Thank you Chuck Gibson

Margie, I didn't have any photos to send, I was just interested in the rules. I agree with your comments. G. Lee Hearl Abingdon, Va...

All, <<<Are attachments (scanned photos) allowed on this list? Or, should they be sent to individuals as requested? How about it Eddie? G. Lee Hearl Abingdon, Va...>> The Rootsweb computer/list program will not allow attachments/Rich Text/HTML file, etc. Simple text only. If you have something of general interest ask the List if someone will put it on their Website. I support the desire to share. -sysop "Toto, I don't think we are in NH any more."

Are attachments (scanned photos) allowed on this list? Or, should they be sent to individuals as requested? How about it Eddie? G. Lee Hearl Abingdon, Va...

Hi Everyone, Is there anyone who could possibly help me with Eddie's suggestion..??? I am new at this scanning and sending things but I'd like to give it a try if anyone can help out.... Pam Wrote: Hi Eddie, I wanted to get your feelings about posting an email which contained a photo of a coal miner and his gear...?? I didn't want to do it without your permission...will that open up a can of worms you'd rather keep the lid on..?? we've been talking about the miner's so much lately..I thought maybe some new and younger members might get a better picture (no pun intended) if they could see a miner... If it's not appropriate or acceptable for the list just let me know.. I realize photos take longer to load.. Thanx Pam Eddie Replied: Pam, It's a great idea. But the rootsweb system won't allow post of attached files. It will kick it back to you and send a notice to me. Is there a webpage where you could upload it and then post the URL?? Or maybe another member has a website and would install it. You could ask. Let me know. Thanks. -eddie Researching the following surnames: BURKE, CARTER, PATRICK, WINGO, McGRADY, WIMBERLEY, WITT/WHITT, HENSLEY, ROBERTSON.

Do any of you know where Tinkling Springs is located? I may have had family that owned land near there in the late 1700's. I thought it was in the vicinity of Natural Bridge, VA but I haven't been able to locate it. Phyllis Zerr

David, I think that Chicken Ridge is one of the scariest mountain roads I have ever been on. I have always been scared of Heights and I think that is so steep and windy. My Dad just about gave me a Heart attack its almost as bad as some of the roads leading to the breaks. (Not the new road) but the ones that you can go from Buchanan Co., VA on. Kathy B.

On Andrew Jackson genealogy: PRESIDENT ANDREW JACKSON The parents of the future American President lived at Boneybefore, Carrickfergus, prior to emigrating from Ulster to a new life in North America. The ancestral home of Andrew Jackson was demolished in the 1860's. The Andrew Jackson Centre is housed in a similar period cottage adjacent to the site. The family cottage houses a fascinating display gallery illustrating the life and times of the President and the Jackson Family. The Andrew Jackson Centre is a splendid, living reminder of the Ulster connection with North America, and provides hours of pleasure for visitors of all ages. Andrew Jackson Senior, with his wife Elizabeth and sons Hugh and Robert, departed from the Province in 1765, encouraged in their adventure by Arthur Dobbs of Dobbs Castle, who was Governor of North Carolina. The family travelled to the Waxhaws settlement in the Carolinas and the young Andrew Jackson was born, just after the death of his father, in 1767. The man who was to occupy the White House 62 years later lost his mother and two brothers in the War of Independence, and he was brought up by aunts who had emigrated earlier. "Toto, I don't think we are in NH any more."

Hi Rena I see that you are researching a JOHN BAXTER. I don't know of him but am researching CHARLES BAXTER who was suppost to have come from Mass. Do you happen to know of him. Thanks, Corinna SW_VA-D-request@rootsweb.com wrote: > Subject: > > SW_VA-D Digest Volume 99 : Issue 116 > > Today's Topics: > #1 Re: GHOSTS [jfmcs@geocities.com] > #2 Re: Expressions [jfmcs@geocities.com] > #3 Re: SW_VA-D Digest V99 #115 [libslane@webtv.net (Elizabeth WADE] > #4 RE: Appreciation [Pam Moehling <moehling@mc.net>] > #5 Meals [Pam Moehling <moehling@mc.net>] > #6 Re: Hamlin's in Lee County ["L. Carlyine Ritter" <jessee@harbo] > #7 Re: MEALS [B4solong@aol.com] > #8 Re: MEALS ["G. Lee Hearl" <glh@naxs.com>] > #9 Lost website [amoore@networksplus.net (Ann Moore] > #10 MEALS [scotlandforever@webtv.net (Edward ] > #11 TOGETHER [scotlandforever@webtv.net (Edward ] > #12 Appreciation for Storytelling ["Pat Oneal" <peon@icx.net>] > #13 Belcher Family [Love4023@aol.com] > #14 Tellin' stories~~~ ["Edgar A. Howard" <swvaroot@swva.n] > #15 School Lunches [Bill and Sue McNaught <pp02570@ema] > #16 Maps [NSieck@aol.com] > #17 Jewell Ridge ["RENA WORTHEN" <doreatr@rbnet.com>] > #18 Re: Bluegrass music... [Talley Duncan <duncant@znet.groupz] > #19 Lee Co. VA [DreamSun39@aol.com] > #20 Re: Jewell Ridge [Barbara <barbiluv@erinet.com>] > > Administrivia: > To unsubscribe from SW_VA-D, send a message to > > SW_VA-D-request@rootsweb.com > > that contains in the body of the message the command > > unsubscribe > > and no other text. No subject line is necessary, but if your software > requires one, just use unsubscribe in the subject, too. > PLEASE DOUBLE CHECK THE SPELLING OF THE WORD: UNSUBSCRIBE > ______________________________ > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Subject: Re: GHOSTS > Date: Sat, 02 Jan 1999 02:35:14 -0500 > From: jfmcs@geocities.com > To: SW_VA-L@rootsweb.com > > My mother lived in a house in Draper Virginia in the late 1930's/early > 1940's that had been built from other houses from the area. The door > that led to my mother's bedroom was from another room in another house > where a woman and her two children had been locked in and they > supposedly starved to death. The door could be locked, but would unlock > itself and open a few inches. She says that you could HEAR it unlock > but you couldn't WATCH it. All the members of my mothers family went > outside and left the door locked inside...theya ll went in together and > the door was unlocked. Strangely enough they weren't afraid, but just > learned to leave the door unlocked. > Anybody else got any ghost stories--so that I don't feel so silly??? :-) > ________________________________________________________ > NetZero - We believe in a FREE Internet. Shouldn't you? > Get your FREE Internet Access and Email at > http://www.netzero.net/download.html > > ______________________________ > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Subject: Re: Expressions > Date: Sat, 02 Jan 1999 02:35:19 -0500 > From: jfmcs@geocities.com > To: SW_VA-L@rootsweb.com > > As far as I know...it came from The Wizard of OZ, in the scene where > they go into the Emerald City and everyone gets a makeover....they all > get into a cart/buggy pulled by the horse of a different color which > they say is the only one of his sort. I don't know if Frank Baum made > it up, or if he borrowed an expression more commonly known. > jfmcs@geocities.com > ________________________________________________________ > NetZero - We believe in a FREE Internet. Shouldn't you? > Get your FREE Internet Access and Email at > http://www.netzero.net/download.html > > ______________________________ > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Subject: Re: SW_VA-D Digest V99 #115 > Date: Sun, 21 Mar 1999 10:19:49 -0600 (CST) > From: libslane@webtv.net (Elizabeth WADE Carden) > To: SW_VA-L@rootsweb.com > > Cecil, I grew up in BSG also CADET I remember that give away food as my > grandma called it. I used to stand in line with her when she went to get > it. I just wish I had some of that meat. ,First in the 1 lb. cans then > in the big round ones. It would make my day. I remember those good ole > days. Elizabeth > > ______________________________ > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Subject: RE: Appreciation > Date: Sun, 21 Mar 1999 10:08:57 -0600 > From: Pam Moehling <moehling@mc.net> > To: SW_VA-L@rootsweb.com > > Hi Sue and List Members, > > I printed this post Sue and added it to my "Genie" workbook..because it "covers it all in a nutshell""...and I know > it's been stated before by several of us but we do appreciate it Eddie..I think you keep us in line pretty good..we now have a new saying in our house.."I know honey, your just gonna go and check your email".<g> ..I thank God for husbands with > patience and understanding...and good mailing lists..I have learned so much from all of you and I thank you for > sharing what you do..sometimes I laugh till I cry...sometimes I just cry..but it's all wonderful just the same..in some ways > I feel like we all buddies... > > Aynbody heard: The blind leading the blind..they all fall in a ditch.. > Eddie, margin problem should be fixed soon ( as soon as I can get my son out of bed this morning) <g> > Pam > > Researching the following surnames: BURKE, CARTER, PATRICK, WINGO, McGRADY, WIMBERLEY, WITT/WHITT, HENSLEY, ROBERTSON. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Bill and Sue McNaught [SMTP:pp02570@email.kcc.edu] > Sent: Friday, March 19, 1999 4:00 PM > To: SW_VA-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: Appreciation > > Dear Eddie and List, > I, too, want to thank you for allowing the diversity of subjects on this > list. I have unsubbed several others as this list meets all my needs. > You are providing a forum for our cultural heritage. This is the WHO we > are, WHAT we did, WHY it was the way it was. This is just as important as > the WHERE and WHEN. > Thanks to all the contributors who are sharing such wonderful stories and > interesting facts. Somehow I feel we are all related. If not by blood, it > must be through our common culture. > I'm glad you are enjoying your new home. I came "back home" to NE KY > seven years ago and found that the fellow who said "you can't go home > again" must have been from some other part of the country. > > Sue McN. > > ==== SW_VA Mailing List ==== > #7 "Roll Calls" or such by other names are to be called > by the SYSOP ONLY. NO WARNINGS!! Each member is free to post their > SURNAMES anytime they please. > > ______________________________ > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Subject: Meals > Date: Sun, 21 Mar 1999 10:36:50 -0600 > From: Pam Moehling <moehling@mc.net> > To: SW_VA-L@rootsweb.com > > Gosh I love this list..speaking of meals in a little different way..there were things I remember growing up that > we could not and never were supposed to eat.. > One was Lamb...my Mom said her father taught her you never eat Lamb..because Christ was the Lamb..sounds > funny but I have never to this day tasted any kind of Lamb chops or Lamb anything.. > another one I remember was never eat anything with "webbed feet"..such as duck or goose, etc., when I asked Mom > why..she just said he fahter said it was in the Bible..so don't do it..??? I have had duck and my mother-in-law's > house and really liked it (but didn't tell my Mom till a long time afterwards) ....don't care much for squirrels tho... > > Another thing that comes to mind..at least in our family..chickens were used, all types of pork...but we never had > Beef until we came to live in Chicago..folks down home where we came from didn't eat beef...anybody else have > the same or similar things in your families..??? > > Pam > Researching the following surnames: BURKE, CARTER, PATRICK, WINGO, McGRADY, WIMBERLEY, WITT/WHITT, HENSLEY, ROBERTSON. > > ______________________________ > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Subject: Re: Hamlin's in Lee County > Date: Sun, 21 Mar 1999 08:52:50 -0800 > From: "L. Carlyine Ritter" <jessee@harborside.com> > To: SW_VA-L@rootsweb.com > > FamileeMom@aol.com wrote: > > > The following information came from James Hubert Hamblin in the form of > a > > Hamblin Newsletter and from the "History of Scott County" by Robert Addington, published in 1977 the Baltimore Regional Publishing Co. > > > > Henry Hamlin, my 4th GGrandfather, married Marry/Polly Dickenson. Mary/Polly was a sister to Henry Dickenson ( Deligate to the Virginia Constitutional Convention) (snip) > > > I am going next month to Lee County area. I would very much like to find > > something of their past while I am there. (snip) > > -------- > Dear Friends, > > This post, with questions about county history, reminds me of a question > I've been meaning to ask of the more experienced of you regarding what's > available on the Net: > > You know that "Genealogist's Handy Helper" book that's available in > virtually all LDS Family History Centers and gives a complete history of > every county in America, along map which locates each county within its > state? Is its equivalent available on the Net? If you know of such a > site, I'd surely appreciate learning of it. > -- > - - - > Carlyine Ritter > Jessee@harborside.com > ICQ #9189377 > JESSEE, BROWNING, HABRON/HAYTON - SW VA > BLACK/SCHWARTZ, PARSONS - Ashe Co NC > RITTER, MEIER, VANDER HEIU, SE IA, WA > > ______________________________ > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Subject: Re: MEALS > Date: Sun, 21 Mar 1999 12:53:01 EST > From: B4solong@aol.com > To: SW_VA-L@rootsweb.com > > I remember thoise biscuits with jam - blackberry and by lunch time you had > purple biscuits. I promised myself that when I grew up, I would never eat a > purple biscuit again. :) > > ______________________________ > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Subject: Re: MEALS > Date: Sun, 21 Mar 1999 13:23:52 -0500 > From: "G. Lee Hearl" <glh@naxs.com> > To: SW_VA-L@rootsweb.com > > Boy! That message made me feel GOOD!!....I thought I was the ONLY person in > the United States who had to take BLACKBERRY BISCUITS to school!! In a JFG > coffee "poke" they really turned PURPLE! Mama couldn't afford enough sugar > to make jelly or jam and the juice would run halfway up my arm when I ate > them!! > I also took a lot of "tater cake" biscuits to school and when I opened that > coffee poke the odor seemed to fill the whole room..I still like tater > cakes!! > Boy! do these little stories bring back memories of "The Good Ole' Days" ! > If it had not been for my Ancestors I wouldn't be reliving those > days..So..Ancestor..where ever you were....I'll find you! Researching: John > HERRELL of Yancey and Mitchell co. N.C... > G. Lee Hearl Abingdon, Va..... > > ______________________________ > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Subject: Lost website > Date: Sun, 21 Mar 1999 12:42:19 -0600 > From: amoore@networksplus.net (Ann Moore) > To: SW_VA-L@rootsweb.com > > Could someone please tell me how to get to the website that lists the > surnames that have lists? I had it in my bookmark but I somehow lost it. > Thanks. Ann Moore > Ann Moore > 5209 SW 32nd Ter. > Topeka, KS 66614-4014 > amoore@networksplus.net > > ---------- > > ______________________________ > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Subject: MEALS > Date: Sun, 21 Mar 1999 13:45:20 -0500 (EST) > From: scotlandforever@webtv.net (Edward Boggs) > To: SW_VA-L@rootsweb.com > > I don't mean to get off the subject boundaries, Eddie, sometimes these > subjects help to jog our memories for things that might help in our > search. > > ______________________________ > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Subject: TOGETHER > Date: Sun, 21 Mar 1999 13:56:30 -0500 (EST) > From: scotlandforever@webtv.net (Edward Boggs) > To: SW_VA-L@rootsweb.com > > Just a comment. I am glad there is a unity here among us too! > (REMEMBER; THE OPPOSITE OF UNITED IS U N T I E D! > > ______________________________ > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Subject: Appreciation for Storytelling > Date: Sun, 21 Mar 1999 14:17:45 -0500 > From: "Pat Oneal" <peon@icx.net> > To: SW_VA-L@rootsweb.com > > Eddie and All, > Since I subscribed to this website, it has become my favorite. Although > we may get off track a tad, I find the material so valuable, especially for > those who don't know the backgrounds of their ancestors, their daily lives > and traditions. That, too, is the memorable part of our family history. > Don't ask me to remember a birthdate, what year it was, or who begat who, > but ask me to tell you their stories, the very few I know, that I can do!! > Isn't that what we're about? > I've heard some of the best stories in the last few weeks and I'm making > a file of them. When we get through, we'll all know what it was like to > live back then. We'll feel like neighbors from CA to IL to TN and back to > VA. In a way, I feel related to all of you. > I just called a distant cousin in Michigan about the Carmack Reunion to > be held in April. Never met the man in my life. Never talked to him > before. But, he was able to tell me about my grandmother who I never knew, > and my grgrandmother. What a thrill that was. When I described my > grandmother as my mother had said she was, the man began to cry. I offered > my awkward apologies, but he merely replied, "So many memories, so many > wonderful memories." > I am learning so much about my family through all of you. Thanks, so > much! Pat O'Neal > > ______________________________ > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Subject: Belcher Family > Date: Sun, 21 Mar 1999 15:03:04 EST > From: Love4023@aol.com > To: SW_VA-L@rootsweb.com > > I am searching for Anna and Jim Belcher information. They raised their family > of 12 children in Jewell Ridge Virginia. If anyone has any information it > would be greatly appreciated. > > Thanks, > Tammy > > ______________________________ > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Subject: Tellin' stories~~~ > Date: Sun, 21 Mar 1999 15:10:52 -0500 > From: "Edgar A. Howard" <swvaroot@swva.net> > To: SW_VA-L@rootsweb.com > > <<I don't mean to get off the subject boundaries, Eddie, sometimes these > subjects help to jog our memories for things that might help in our > search.>>> > > I too have enjoyed the conversations and stories. I don't mind the stories > getting a little off subject but not all member agree. Some are on many list and > get large volumes of mail and it takes time to sort thru all the post. > > So let's exercise some restraint. Use the correct SUBJECT! If you are > telling stories say so and other can decide accordingly. Don't tell every little > story you know about your brother-n-law's dog. > > Limit yourself to three or less post per day. Thanks. > > -sysop > > "Toto, I don't think we are in NH any more." > > ______________________________ > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Subject: School Lunches > Date: Sat, 20 Mar 1999 13:34:53 -0500 > From: Bill and Sue McNaught <pp02570@email.kcc.edu> > To: SW_VA-L@rootsweb.com > > Speaking of smelly lunches, my older sister loved paw paws better than > anything. She said they must have been the strongest smelling food there > was, for when she carried her Bob White Syrup pail in the kids would say, > "Teacher, Fern's got them stinkin' paw paws again." > > My mother went to grade school to her older sister. Mom said she would > sometimes get so hungry she couldn't stand it. One day she took a chestnut > from her pocket and ate it in class. Sister spanked her, then told her > parents and they spanked her too. She said it was years before she could > have a good feeling toward the sister again. And she still remembers the > incident each time she has a chestnut......eighty-some years later. > > ______________________________ > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Subject: Maps > Date: Sun, 21 Mar 1999 17:15:45 EST > From: NSieck@aol.com > To: SW_VA-L@rootsweb.com > > Dear Eddie, > I have seen several people thank you for the maps and saying they have > located folks on them. I am curious!!! Can you tell us about the maps? > I am new to the list and really enjoying all the stories. They bring > back so many memories. I grew up in Middlesboro, KY and every Sunday we drove > to Lee CO, VA to visit my Grandmother in Ewing. We sat on the front porch, > rocked and told stories! Of course that was after a BIG Sunday dinner. I > seen the older I get the more I enjoy the memories. > I was especially interested to see the lists of mountain saying. Only the > week before I had made of list of ones our family said. My favorite is "What > your reared on you hanker after." Isn't it the truth. One we always said but > I never understood, was "Amen Brother Ben--shot a goose and killed a hen". I > have even seen that written in a letter! Blessings to all > Nini Sieck > Researching: MCDANIEL, MORLEY, SUTTON, RAMSEY, DICKENSON, DUFF in SW VA. > > ______________________________ > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Subject: Jewell Ridge > Date: Sun, 21 Mar 1999 18:23:53 -0500 > From: "RENA WORTHEN" <doreatr@rbnet.com> > To: SW_VA-L@rootsweb.com > > I am intrested in hearing more about Jewell Ridge. Who it is names after > where it is . are there any cemeteries there with Jewell relatives and if > so what is the names of the cemeteries. What County. and last but not > least directions from Roanoke. Thank you for any Help. I am looking for > the siblings of Thomas Jewel and his Parents. Thomas was born about 1764. > thank you everyone for all the good stories. Love the down home cooking > too. Rena > > Researching ThomasJEWELL,William HATCHER, AndrewHOWARD, AsaHALL, Sarah > FARLEY, James GRAHAM, George BOOTHE, any HICKLIN, William GREEN,Thurman > BAXTER,John "the settler" BISHOP, Ezra COLLINS, William CUNNINGHAM, > Clarence SMITH, Pierce BOYER, Christopher TYNAN, Georg (Dresher)THRASHER , > Sarah COX, anyOBENCHAIN,any AKERS, Emra ALTIZER,Henry VANOVER > doreatr@rbnet.com rena@genealogy.org > http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Woods/3798/index.html > http://www.rootsweb.com/~vapatric > http://members.bellatlantic.net/~scotnroa/Barb/floyd.html > > ______________________________ > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Subject: Re: Bluegrass music... > Date: Sun, 21 Mar 1999 18:34:06 -0500 > From: Talley Duncan <duncant@znet.groupz.net> > To: SW_VA-L@rootsweb.com > > And don't forget good ole Tennessee Ernie Ford who grew up in Bristol, a few > years later I guess. > > G. Lee Hearl wrote: > > > Bristol, TN-Va has been designated by Congress as the "Birthplace of > > Country Music". > > The Carter Family of Scott County, Va., Jimmy Rogers, The Stoneman Family > > of Fries, Va. and many others recorded in a make-shift studio in Bristol in > > 1927. During the past few days a country music museum opened in the Bristol > > Mall.. > > One of my "Cousins", Kelley Harrell, recorded the "Wreck of Ole' 97" a few > > years before the Bristol recording sessions. He was from Fries, Va... > > G. Lee Hearl Abingdon, Va... > > Carter and Ralph Stanley, Flatt and Scruggs, Mac Wiseman, Charlie Monroe > > and others performed on radio in Bristol during the forties and fifties.. > > G. Lee Hearl Abingdon, Va... > > > > ==== SW_VA Mailing List ==== > > #9 As of 2/27/1999 we have 485 members. Traffic can get heavy so check your > > mailbox often. We should regulate traffic so it don't get out of hand. > > There is an average of ten members coming and going each week. > > -sysop > > ______________________________ > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Subject: Lee Co. VA > Date: Sun, 21 Mar 1999 18:45:41 EST > From: DreamSun39@aol.com > To: SW_VA-L@rootsweb.com > > Hi, > I finally found my Ggrandmother, Cornelia Napier and sisters in the 1870 Lee > Co. VA census. Cornelia aka Nelia and sister Marium aka Mary, married Shelton > brothers in Patrick Co. VA circa 1835. Anyone connect or have info on this > Napier family? > Deborah > > ______________________________ > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Subject: Re: Jewell Ridge > Date: Sun, 21 Mar 1999 19:15:57 -0500 > From: Barbara <barbiluv@erinet.com> > To: SW_VA-L@rootsweb.com > > Rena, > > Jewell Ridge is in Tazewell County. Here is what I have on the cemeteries. > > FAMILY DISTRICT > > Ball Cemetery Honaker > Barns Cemetery Broadford > Billips Cemetery Tiptop > Billips Cemetery Tiptop > Billips Cemetery Tiptop > Billips Cemetery Tiptop > Bowen Cemetery Tiptop > Bowman Cemetery Bramwell > Bowman Cemetery Tiptop > Bowman Cemetery Tiptop > Brown Cemetery Saltville > Brown Cemetery Tiptop > Brown Cemetery Garden Mountain > Buchanan Cemetery Hutchinson Rock > Burkes Garden Central Cemetery Garden Mountain > Caldwell Cemetery Chatham Hill > Carter Cemetery Tiptop > Clinch Valley Memorial Cemetery Richlands > Company Cemetery Jewell Ridge > Compton Cemetery Bramwell > Crabtree Cemetery Chatham Hill > Crabtree Cemetery Hutchinson Rock > Dickenson Cemetery Tiptop > Dickenson Cemetery Tiptop > Dillon Cemetery Tiptop > Dudley Cemetery Bramwell > Earls Cemetery Tiptop > Epperson Cemetery Tiptop > French Cemetery Tiptop > Graham Cemetery Tiptop > Grandview Memory Gardens Cove Creek > Green Cemetery Bramwell > Green Cemetery Tiptop > Green Hills Memorial Gardens Richlands > Hankins Cemetery Richlands > Harmon Cemetery Tiptop > Harmon Cemetery Tiptop > Harper Cemetery Tiptop > Hayes Cemetery Tiptop > Herts Cemetery Tiptop > Holmes Cemetery Broadford > Ireson Cemetery Tiptop > Keister Cemetery Broadford > Lester Cemetery Saltville > Lowe Cemetery Jewell Ridge > Maple Hill Cemetery Cove Creek > Maplewood Cemetery Tazewell North > Martin Cemetery Chatham Hill > Mathena Cemetery Tiptop > Mays Cemetery Tiptop > McDowell Cemetery Tiptop > McMullen Cemetery Tiptop > Mitchell Cemetery Chatham Hill > Mohawk Cemetery Bramwell > Moore Cemetery Tiptop > Morton Cemetery Tiptop > Mullin Cemetery Bramwell > Music Cemetery Bramwell > Necessary Cemetery Chatham Hill > Osborne Cemetery Broadford > Page Cemetery Bramwell > Peery Cemetery Tiptop > Perdus Cemetery Bramwell > Pocahontas Cemetery Bramwell > Ratcliff Cemetery Broadford > Saint Lukes Cemetery Cove Creek > Sanders Cemetery Tiptop > Sawyer Cemetery Jewell Ridge > Sinkford Cemetery Tiptop > Sluss Cemetery Tiptop > Smith Cemetery Jewell Ridge > Stevens Cemetery Tiptop > Swim Cemetery Bramwell > Tabor Cemetery Bramwell > Tabor Cemetery Bramwell > Taylor Cemetery Broadford > Taylor Cemetery Tiptop > Thompson Cemetery Hutchinson Rock > Thompson Cemetery Hutchinson Rock > Thompson Cemetery Tiptop > Thompson Cemetery Garden Mountain > Valley Vista Cemetery Cove Creek > Wagner Cemetery Bramwell > Wagner Cemetery Bramwell > Wagner Cemetery Tiptop > Wallace Cemetery Tiptop > Ward Cemetery Broadford > Watts Cemetery Tiptop > Wilburn Cemetery Tiptop > Wilburn Cemetery Tiptop > Witten Cemetery Tiptop > Yates Cemetery Tiptop

Howdy, list Will send a little about the above subject. I grew up at Jewell Ridge. My family owned a goodly amount of land that was acquired by the Jewell Ridge Coal Corp. about the turn of the century. There are two cemeteries at Jewell Ridge, one the "Company" Cemetery, located near the east end of the community on a knoll and the Burke Family Cemetery, perhaps a half mile further east. Perhaps the following will tell a bit about Jewell Ridge. Prior to a post office being established up there, mail was addressed to Big Creek, Va. and before that to Cedar Bluff. The Burke family was planted there with James and Catherine (Griffits) Burk when they settled there about 1847 I am sending my manuscript portion of the Dividing Ridge. One must know the topography of that country before it can be understood, and especially why some folks get upset when they feel a family name was stolen. _______________________________ The Dividing Ridge (A.k.a. Sandy Ridge) A rugged geological formation of sandstone and shale is raised into a ridge that forms part of the western boundary of upper Clinch Valley. It divides the waters of western Tazewell County, Virginia between the Tennessee Drainage Basin via the Clinch River and the Ohio River Drainage Basin via the Sandy. The Dividing Ridge as it has been known from the earliest days has a mean elevation of about 2800 feet with the terrain often exceeding 100% grade. The soil is shallow and less fertile than that of the more southern and eastern stretches of the county. Rich deposits of bituminous coal lie under the sandstone overburden. The dividing line between Tazewell and Buchanan begins at a point on the Dividing Ridge, about eight or nine miles northwest of the village of Raven; and from thence runs along said ridge to Bear Wallow. And the dividing line between Tazewell and McDowell starts at the point where the counties of Tazewell and Buchanan corner at Bear Wallow. Thence the line runs "eastwardly along the ridge between Clinch and the Dry Fork of Sandy, to a place called the "But of Belsher's ridge;" thence a straight line to the mouth of Horse Pen Creek, and up the same to Jessee Doughtons, and up the left hand fork of said Horse Pen Creek to the Low Gap in Tug Ridge; thence with the same to the ridge between Abb's Valley and Sandy, to the Mercer line." "History of Tazewell County and Southwest Virginia, 1748-1920" William C. Pendleton The county line tends to follow the watershed created by the crest of the Dividing Ridge. Topographical maps reflect that Jewell Ridge; Chicken Ridge, Stinson Ridge, Reynolds Ridge, Brown Ridge and others are lateral ridges or spurs of the Dividing Ridge. Smith Ridge is a part of the Dividing Ridge. The Burk property lying as it did on both sides of the Dividing Ridge was split between Tazewell and Buchanan Counties, with the erection of Buchanan County in 1858. ________________________________________ Jewell Ridge George St. Clair and associates acquired a vast territory including the mineral and timber rights in Buchanan and Tazewell counties. The property is situated on both sides of the Dividing Ridge. This entrepreneurial experience was named Jewell Ridge Coal Corporation. When the 'Company' began operations (~1908) there wasn't any housing for the miners. The 'drift mouth' or entrance to the original mine is let into a coal seam about a half-mile below the head spring(s) of Big Creek. The original miners' community consisted of a few houses built in the valley near the stream, below the mine entrance. This valley also was the holding yard for empty railroad cars. The tramway or mine car railroad from the mine to the tipple where the coal was weighed, processed and loaded on railroad cars was situated on the hillside above the houses. With the success of their mining venture generated a need for additional housing, Mr. St. Clair decided to build a community away from the noise, dust and the confinement of a very narrow valley (hollow). He selected a spur of the Dividing Ridge. The head of this spur joins the Dividing Ridge about 100 yards east of the Burke Family Cemetery and the foot was at the location of the former railway depot, Jewell. From its juncture at the head, it runs in a southwesterly direction, turning almost parallel to the Dividing Ridge at the head of Stinson Ridge. The community that he built is named Jewell Ridge. Several stories surround the selection of this name. "Mr. St. Clair chose to assume the name Jewell to rename the Ridge "Jewell Ridge" by taking away my husband's family. That left the Jewell Family to find another name for their Ridge. They chose Chicken Ridge because they were too chicken to fight the Big Company." Mary Elizabeth Henderson "The community was named for the first female child born into the Jewell Family." Dorothy Burke Cook Louise Leslie offers another version in her book, "Tazewell County." In its hey-day the community consisted of housing, an elementary school, a Presbyterian church, a company store or commissary, Y.M.C.A., a movie theater, pool hall, filling (service) station, some company offices, garages, boarding house, medical facilities and in later years, a home for teachers. Perhaps 250 yards east of the original mine entrance (drift mouth), the road forked with one side (left) crossing the creek to the South facing slope of the Dividing Ridge. The road continues up the ridge to a gap where it divides again, the left fork following the Dividing Ridge into that section known as Smith Ridge. The right fork (now technically in Buchanan County) follows east side of the ridge where at the crest, it forks again. This left fork continues to 'Uncle Billy Burke's' home (next intersection) at the head of Brown Ridge. The right fork passes by the Burke Cemetery, located on the right and the homestead of Charles R. Burke is on the left opposite the cemetery. The former home of Wade F. Burke is next on the right past the Cemetery and the former home of James C. Burke is next on the left with the head of Stinson Ridge being next to the left. The right fork continues to the east end of the mining community. At 'Uncle Billy's' home the road (to the right) and the Dividing Ridge continue to the head of Chicken Ridge on the left, Reynolds Ridge and Bear Wallow to the right. Returning to the forks in the road above the mine entrance, and keeping to the right, through a series of switchbacks and sharp curves one arrives at the western end of the mining community or 'camp'. Crossing the 'cattle guards' into the camp and continuing up and east to the crest (perhaps 100 yards) was the beginning of the community center. First, to your right would be the filling station in the corner. The square held the original commissary, 'hospital', theater, church, post-office and other recreational facilities on its western and southern sides. The east-end of the square was the site of the boarding house. Returning to the filling station and along the left (north) side was the Company offices, barbershop and several garages for employees' vehicles. Leaving the community center and about a quarter mile easterly, on the left was the school. The majority of the houses were well built with slate roofs. Most contained four rooms, a few were only three rooms while near the community center were a few that were larger. The larger houses were homes for Company officials, engineers, store manager, etc. In the late 1930's or early '40s, fire destroyed most of the community center. A new brick building was erected along the south side of the square. It contained a new commissary, business and engineering offices for the Company. A bowling alley, gymnasium and a meeting room for the local Boy Scout Troop, and restaurant was constructed on the site of the old commissary. A new combined post office and filling station facility was built on the west side of the square. The church was rebuilt next to the school. In the 1930's and '40s, Dr. Rufus Brittian and a full time nurse staffed the 'hospital'. For the families that lived there in those days, these facilities constituted about all the medical help they wanted or could afford. Medical services included physicals for employees and family. School students received preventive medicine vaccinations and 'shots.' Accidents were treated and obstetrical services provided. Dentists who practiced in Richlands made the journey to Jewell Ridge, providing dental services one or two days a week. Noteworthy of the community was its freedom from coal dust, the hallmark of coal mining. The community street was paved while adjacent county roads were dirt or at best, graveled. Homes were separated along each side and protected from traffic in front by an inverted chain link fence. A sad note about that inverted fence. Dogs loved to jump over it and occasionally one would underestimate the height of the fence resulting in disemboweling. It was also pretty rough on the legs of young boys who got caught in it. Each home was landscaped with one or two beautiful maple trees planted in the yard. George St. Clair was succeeded by his son, Houston St. Clair, Ph.D. as president of the 'Company.' Dr. St. Clair was as forward looking and concerned about his employees as his father. Being a student of the Jewell Ridge Elementary School during the 1940's, I benefited from a radical policy of the day, that is schools furnishing textbooks to students on a rental basis. That policy, initiated by Dr. St. Clair was a first in Tazewell County and one of the firsts in the Commonwealth. If my memory is correct, Dr. St.Clair and then Governor Colgate W. Darden visited the school to celebrate this advance in education. A year or so before the 'free' textbook policy was implemented, the Company built two new houses, one for the schoolteachers and the other for the Doctor and his family. By that time, Dr. Rufus Brittian had left to take up practice in Tazewell and Dr. Tiernan was the first resident physician to live in the doctor's house. Again, if my memory is correct, 'Professor' J. C. Montgomery was one of the first teachers to live in the teacher's house. Prior to the Company building the teacher's house, teachers boarded with families in the community or commuted from where they found accommodations. County pay for teachers was supplemented by a stipend from the Company. This ensured having good, well trained capable teachers. My favorite teacher of memory was Mary Brown, 4th grade and Clara Scott, 7th grade. Mr. Montgomery was the principal during my 5th grade year. 'Prof.' Montgomery gave me the only paddling I received in school. (Not that I was 'good', I managed to not get caught). Doran and Dicks, being parties to deeds found recorded in the courthouses as purchasers of portions of the Burke lands are believed to have been the agents representing the owners/developers of the Jewell Ridge Coal Co. David. M. Burke deburgh@scescape.net

In a message dated 3/22/99 4:15:16 PM Central Standard Time, NMorri3924@aol.com writes: << I do not know if this was just common to the Melungeons or if it was indeed Appalachian. BUT IT IS GOOD!! >> My husband's family has lived in Arkansas for the last 150 years and chocolate gravy is one of his all time favorite foods. Maybe it's a "southern" thing. Dani ______________________________________________________________________ Dani's Genealogy Page: http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Hollow/2687 Dani's Wade Page: http://members.aol.com/DWCJMC7249/pubpage.htm

I am very red faced. After asking for all the info on Eddie's maps I was interupted while reading his reply and lost the whole email. Would someone please send me his list of maps available. I will make a copy of it immediately. :>)) Thanks, Nini NSieck@aol.com

Hi, This old expression still is used by all of my family, especially for newlyweds.. I promise this is the last one I'll post... There were these 4 old maids who lived in a boarding house together..they got to be very good friends over time..and they soon began to date some fellers from the area..which was really something exciting for all of them..and they wanted to be able to talk a little about their dates but didn't want all of the other boarders to know exactly what was going on..so they all decided that the morning after they had gone out they would come down to breakfast and if any of them had had a good time and uh "got lucky"..they would use the words "Good Morning" in a sentence for each time ..that should keep it private enough and it would be their little secret... So, they all had their dates and the next morning came and one of them says, Good Morning" and the rest nodded and then another one said "Good Morning, This Morning".. and the other old maids nodded..well the third old maid chimed in and said "Good Morning, This Morning, Fine Morning, This Morning, If all Mornings Were Like This Morning, they'd all be Fine Mornings.. and the fourth old maid said "Hi"... <g,g,g> Pam Researching the following surnames: BURKE, CARTER, PATRICK, WINGO, McGRADY, WIMBERLEY, WITT/WHITT, HENSLEY, ROBERTSON.

Many a Melungeon mother served chocolate gravy! :-) I do not know if this was just common to the Melungeons or if it was indeed Appalachian. BUT IT IS GOOD!! Start with butter, melted in a cast iron frying pan. Add a couple T flour, abt a cup of sugar, and several Tbs cocoa which have been blended, stirring to blend. Add a little water to make into a sauce and cook it just a minute or two, then add milk and cream, slowly. Reduce the heat and let it thicken slightly,stirring constantly. Serve with biscuits or toast which you use to sop up the gravy. Yum Yum!!! This is a breakfast dessert. Nancy S

Nancy, What good fortune to see your post! I am not a Hamblin descendant but I have a special interest in Henry Hamlin which I want to share with you. Perhaps your trip to Lee Co., VA, next month will provide you an opportunity to shed some light on the questions it raises. On the Russell Co., VA, web site, on Jeffrey Weaver's New River Notes web site, and on the Library of Virginia's web site there are some interesting notes. They tell the following story. In 1782, Indians attacked the home of Jesse Adams. They killed and scalped him and 10 of his 12 children. His wife, Mary "Polly" Adams was a daughter of Joseph Blackemore, one of the builders of Blackemore's Fort and Blackemore's Mill. She survived the attack along with her own daughter, Cynthia Chadwell, from a prior marriage, and two children, Jonathan and Sarah Jane Adams, who were hers and Jesse's. According to the notes, Henry Hamlin's own wife was killed by Indians about the same time and shortly after he and Mary "Polly" Adams began living together as common-law man and wife. Then, in 1790, Mary was herself killed in an Indian attack on Blackemore's Fort, leaving Cynthia Chadwell, Jonathan Adams, and Sarah Jane Adams as orphans. However, there is one note among these which states that Henry's wife "Mary" was killed in 1790 in the raid on Blackemore's Fort but that the record does not make clear whether it was Mary Dickenson or Mary Adams. Now the birth year you give for Henry and Mary Dickenson's youngest child is 1782. Is it possible she was killed that same year in which Jesse Adams and his children were killed? If so, then it would be reasonable that Mary Adams and Henry might be living together in the mid 1780s as reported in these notes. But, if she were not killed until the 1790 raid, then there are two troublesome parts to the story. One is the claim that Henry and Mary Adams were living together even though Mary Dickenson was still living and Henry's wife. The other is that Mary Adams was killed in the 1790 raid on Blackemore's Fort. (Perhaps a third is the references to Mary Adams' children as orphaned if, in fact, she was not killed in 1790 as claimed.) Now, why am I interested in this? Because my ggg-grandmother was a Sarah Jane Adams, born about 1776 in this very same area, but I have not been able to find out exactly who her parents were. There is a reasonable possibility that this might be the Sarah Jane Adams who was my ggg-grandmother. If so, I would love to know the true facts of this case. But, even if not, the story is fascinating and making me curious. So, what do you think? And, what do you know? Any chance of checking out some of the story with official records on you trip to VA? Curious in Oregon, Charles Ed Starnes FamileeMom@aol.com wrote: > > > Henry Hamlin, my 4th GGrandfather, married Marry/Polly Dickenson. Mary/Polly > > > In August of 1790, Mary/Polly was scalped and killed by Indians at Fort > Blackmore. ..... > > I am going next month to Lee County area. I would very much like to find > something of their past while I am there. > Nancy Brown > Santa Ana, CA >

All SURNAMES have been posted as of this evening. I have had some problems with two files of the same name, one in CAPS and one Small letters, one having the banner and the other without banner...caused some confusion for me and may have caused some problems...SOOOOO, check your Surnames and see if they are all present and accounted for. Page again is http://www2.fortunecity.com/millenium/quarrybank/194/swabc.htm (www will work also) Address any comments directly to me at ohhenry@bigfoot.com because I may not be subscribed to this list. Fred Preston

My aunt lived in a big old farmhouse in Ky that had been built by a bachelor by the name of Mr Tapp. The story goes that he and some of his cronies were upstairs in one of the rooms playing cards, and Mr. Tapp killed one of the men. Mr. Tapp lived alone in the house for many years and instead of sleeping in any of the bedrooms, he chose to stay in this little tiny room that was built under the stair well with no windows. When my aunt lived there, she would make excuses when people would hear things. The swing on the front porch would swing back and forth. You could hear someone open the front door and walk up stairs, your cover would be taken off your bed at night. After she finally moved away, the nephew of old Mr. Tapp moved into the house and completely rennovated it, but only lived there about two months before he moved out and never returned. Ruby -----Original Message----- From: jfmcs@geocities.com <jfmcs@geocities.com> To: SW_VA-L@rootsweb.com <SW_VA-L@rootsweb.com> Date: Sunday, March 21, 1999 2:41 AM Subject: Re: GHOSTS >My mother lived in a house in Draper Virginia in the late 1930's/early >1940's that had been built from other houses from the area. The door >that led to my mother's bedroom was from another room in another house >where a woman and her two children had been locked in and they >supposedly starved to death. The door could be locked, but would unlock >itself and open a few inches. She says that you could HEAR it unlock >but you couldn't WATCH it. All the members of my mothers family went >outside and left the door locked inside...theya ll went in together and >the door was unlocked. Strangely enough they weren't afraid, but just >learned to leave the door unlocked. >Anybody else got any ghost stories--so that I don't feel so silly??? :-) >________________________________________________________ >NetZero - We believe in a FREE Internet. Shouldn't you? >Get your FREE Internet Access and Email at >http://www.netzero.net/download.html > > >==== SW_VA Mailing List ==== >#5 It is YOUR responsibility to know how to SUBSCRIBE & UNSUBSCRIBE. It is done >by computer. Put the word SUBSCRIBE in the body of the message with nothing >else. The address is sw_va-l-request@rootsweb.com . or -d- for DIGEST mode. >All this is in the Welcome statement I ask you to save. -sysop >

We had three meals a day in KY, but only cooked twice, especially in the summer when there were extra field hands working the tobacco fields. There was always a big breakast with ham, sausage, bacon, eggs, home-made biscuits, fried apples and gravy. There was also such a thing called "chocolate gravy". That never sounded too good to me, so I never tried it. I couldn't even tell you what it was, but after that big breakfast was finished, all the women stayed in the kitchen. There were no automatic dishwashers, but some of the women would wash dishes while someone else started cooking dinner. Dinner was served at noon. Again, it was a big meal with fried chicken, etc. After the noon dinner was over, no more meals were cooked. A tablecloth was laid over the food that was left over and that was eaten for supper. Ruby -----Original Message----- From: Edward Boggs <scotlandforever@webtv.net> To: SW_VA-L@rootsweb.com <SW_VA-L@rootsweb.com> Date: Sunday, March 21, 1999 12:10 AM Subject: MEALS When I was quite young, at times we lived with my grandparents from these areas and my mother recalls that we only ate two meals a day. Apparently there was no meal we know as lunch. Was this a common practice? For breakfast we always had gravy and bisquits (I still enjoy them!) and for supper they always had fried potatoes, beans and cornbread. (yum! the cornbread is still good!) This was in the late to mid 1950's. Once in a while there was chicken to eat. Later in life they had more selection of diet. Maybe it was an economic choice. ==== SW_VA Mailing List ==== #9 As of 2/27/1999 we have 485 members. Traffic can get heavy so check your mailbox often. We should regulate traffic so it don't get out of hand. There is an average of ten members coming and going each week. -sysop