Hi Listers, I am new to this list and was wondering if anyone could explain to me the following" I have a Barbara FARRER listed in the 1871 census in the parish of Porslade and it says "Recipient of Parish Pay" Would there be any records and what would it tell. I am also looking for a Thomas GOODWIN b. 1721 in Notts. in any census, as I have found a death for a Thomas GOODWiN in Lews in June 1874 but not sure if he is mine ? thanks, Maureen in Oz.

Maureen, Sounds like she was getting "Poor Relief". Remember there was no Social Security system in those days. You don't mention her age or if perhaps she was in a workhouse. To find out about Poor Relief just Google it. Then Google "Poor Relief Porslade" and "Parish Records Porslade" to see if any data is available. If Thomas Goodwin was indeed born 1721, he'd be 120 years only by the earliest census of 1841. So you might check you dates. Where did you get the Nottingham reference? It sounds like you have other data which you haven't disclosed. Peter

Hi Maureen From the limited information you have posted so far Thomas GOODWIN did marry in 1849 to Elizabeth FARRER his father was Oates Cliff GOODWIN also a Carpenter like Thomas In 1861 Oatscliff GOODWIN age 65 Carpenter born (looks like) Norths Ellton (but is perhaps Elton Northamptonshire) Phebe GOODWIN wife age 55 Norths Titchmarsh Mary Sophia GOODWIN granddaughter age 9 Aldwinkle All Saints Are in Aldwinkle All Saints Northamptonshire However there is England & Wales Christening Records, 1530-1906 about Oates Oliffe Goodwin Name: Oates Oliffe Goodwin Gender: Male Christening Date: 19 Nov 1787 Christening Place: Elton, Huntingdonshire, England Father's Name: Richard Goodwin Mother's Name: Susannah He dies in 1876 England & Wales, FreeBMD Death Index, 1837-1915 about Oates Cliff Goodwin Name: Oates Cliff Goodwin Estimated Birth Year: abt 1796 Date of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar 1876 Age at Death: 80 Registration District: Thrapston Inferred County: Northamptonshire Volume: 3b Page: 121 From familysearch Oates Cliff Goodwin, "England Deaths and Burials, 1538-1991" Name: Oates Cliff Goodwin Gender: Male Burial Date: 23 Feb 1876 Burial Place: Aldwinkle-All Saints, Northampton, England Indexing Project (Batch) Number: I04518-1 System Origin: England-EASy GS Film number: 1966398 Reference ID: item 2 p39 In the 1851 transcribes as Pate C GOODWIN Widr a carpenter he is enumerated as 56 years old born Hunts Elton there is a daughter Elizabeth age 19 birthplace looks like Norths Lilford Lodge? In 1841 Thorpe Achurch Northamptonshire (transcibed as Oak GOODWIN) Oats GOODWIN 45 Carp Y (yes born in County enumerated) Sophia GOODWIN 20 Y Mary GOODWIN 15 Y Thomas GOODWIN 15 Y Elizabeth GOODWIN 9 Y Fanny GOODWIN 7 Y Susanna GOODWIN 4 Y (which would lead you to think his wife perhaps died 1837 to 1841 unless she was away elsewhere in 1841) Now you said in your post that Thomas GOODWIN was born 1821 Notts in the 1851 This just shows why its important to state the details as found and give the census page reference where known He is enumerated as *27* in 1851 born (looks like) Notts Lilfore (Lilford?) His wife Elizabeth is 25 born (looks like) Middlesex (no St Pancras is mentioned) Their son, Thomas is *5 months* (not 1 year old) born St Pancras Middlesex The address tallies with the marriage cert so its definitely them as does the baptism of Thomas Elton whilst in Huntingdonshire is very close to the border of Northamptonshire which may account for the apparent anomilies in the records Norths and Notts are often confused in the census as is Hunts, remember in most cases the enumerator was trying to decipher a very mixed bunch of handwriting, some people abbreviated, others did not, and the enumerator was trying to transcribe as fast as he could, he was only paid a fee for results in a given time Back to your original question Elizabeth gives her father as David FARRER a butcher In 1841 there is a David FARRER a labourer with wife Barbary with daughter Elizabeth age 16 David and Elizabeth born Middlesex and Barbary Not born in Middlesex Is this where you are finding the Barbara from? The one in 1871 7 1861 is born South Shields / Northumberland In 1851 at the same address Thomas & Elizabeth gave at their marriage is a David FARRER aged 60 a working chemist born Spitalfields Wife Rebecca aged 60 born Wales (South Shields is written in and crossed out) A lodger, and daughter plus a nurse child also in residence Looks to me like again the enumerator struggled to read the name and birthplaces, Rebecca is most likely Barbara and he gave his best shot at Wales for a birthplace, either never having heard of South Shields or thought it South Wales Who knows, we shall never know for sure as the household schedules are long gone Still haven't found an obvious hit for Thomas GOODWIN in 1861 or 1871 Curiously there is a Thomas GOODWIN in the 1901 census, in Oundle, he is 79 and looks to give his occupation as formerly estate carpenter, birthplace Elton Northamptonshire Where this man was between 1861 and 1891 is anyones guess they do like to lead us a merry dance do they not Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) On 02/07/2013 01:26, Maureen Farrer wrote: > Hi Listers, > > I am new to this list and was wondering if anyone could explain to me > the following" I have a Barbara FARRER listed in the 1871 census in > the parish of Porslade and it says "Recipient of Parish Pay" Would > there be any records and what would it tell. > > I am also looking for a Thomas GOODWIN b. 1721 in Notts. in any > census, as I have found a death for a Thomas GOODWiN in Lews in June > 1874 but not sure if he is mine ? > > thanks, Maureen in Oz.