Hi Shelley, Of course you are right Shelley, serves me right for trying to answer before going off to work. I was thinking of baptisms. Silly woman Grin !!! Me not you. But the father may have been a witness at the marriage????? Or another Relfe which might help to tie in the family. I had one witness that turned out to be the brother of the bride and he actually helped me connect the families. Especially as the males were witnesses to each others marriages Still think it's worth getting the PR's...........if one of them was from the Parish you could at least collect and database all the names on the PR.....Relfe is quite unusual I would think. They often married in the wifes Parish too.......I have marriages on forms with a lot of detail (minus the fathers name of course) back into the mid 1700's. Including banns dates on the same page if your are lucky.....witnesses, with consent of parents (so tells about their age), sometimes which Parish they are from and all sorts. Cheers Pam from Adelaide Australia > Hi Pam, > > Unfortunately the original entry wouldn't help, as father's names were not > recorded before Registrtion began in 1837. > > Thanks for your suggestion though. > Sandra